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The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 26 2017 19:56 GMT
#9
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It's been a while, but I'm getting those scum hunting urges again
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 01 2017 20:56 GMT
#418
Hi, sorry about being late. So I'm gonna start off by posting some of my scum-reads so far.

Scum

darthfoley: Darth seems to me the most scummy right now. In start of game he basically calls out Ruxxar's post as being bad and scummy without adding anything about it, not even why he thinks it's bad.
On November 01 2017 09:04 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.


Slow down hotshot.
When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes?


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?


You have good reads, I'll give you that.
You just gotta work on being more convincing.


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.


Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility.
Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around.

Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced.


Worst post so far. Good chance of being scum


He goes on to push Ruxxar again without giving any reasons, then finally posts the view after he has called him mafia already twice. His reasons for it is that it is basically that he posts fluff, when it had only been a few hours of play. He's also a hypocrite, when he calls out Conversion for his early vote but then not long after says that early voting is fine. Basically his stances change based on what benefits him the most.

On November 01 2017 13:05 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 12:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 07:53 Damerion wrote:
Shockey has the worst entrance tone wise, he complains on what reads llike a thread that is having fun in the early going (to me reads like totally town uo to that point).

He then makes another post about hoping he has more posts to work with when he geta back without adding to the game himself.

I am above 50% that he is scum at this point.

I am 100% you are scum
##vote dam


oh hey look, it's the guy that did the same shit last game when he was scum


His posts generally seem to have about zero actual thoughts and analysis. This post dosen't help town at all, basically just attacking someone for being scum last game.

On November 01 2017 13:11 darthfoley wrote:
Still waiting for you to contribute anything meaningful to the game. Two vote posts and bickering is weak sauce from uber pro scum hunter Oatsmaster


This post seemed really scummy to me. Saying he will "wait for Oats to contribute" is a very suspicious thing to say. Basically making himself seem like he has contributed while putting down anything Oats has done.

On November 01 2017 13:24 darthfoley wrote:
This is a waste of my time and we're just going back and forth on semantics. Go be productive and find scum. Report back to HQ when you're onto something!


This one also seemed really scummy to me. Basically making it look like he is the "leader" and that others should go read the thread and scumhunt while he himself does nothing.

On November 02 2017 03:20 darthfoley wrote:
Krogan is town


Or he posts stuff like this, saying people are town withouth any kind of reasoning behind it at all.

On November 02 2017 03:21 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 22:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Oats is also too sporadic in the voting thread, jumping onto who ever seems the "easiest" to vote off. Him and Damerian posting are so similar it's disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them flipped red.


Idk if a mafia posts this. I don't think so


He goes on to defend Shock and saying he dosent think he is mafia (without giving reasons)

Basically his posts are trying to seem like he is contributing while in reality he has posted next to nothing of substance. He tells others to post more and contribute, but adds almost nothing himself. When he makes reads he simply says "he is mafia", or "he is town". He is top on my scum list and im gonna vote on him.

ShoCkeyy: Shockey to me is also scum-lean. He had some really scummy early posts.

On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet.

I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum


This one was particularly scummy to me. He basically says that people being suspicious of him have a good chance of being scum. Thereby discouraging people of going after him for fear of they themselves being labelled scum. Very strange thing to say, and very scummy.

[B]On November 01 2017 12:00 ShoCkeyy wrote:
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On November 01 2017 11:43 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet.

I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum


So what are your thoughts on me getting triggered?

I especially liked DF's posts on Ruxx and his response to being questioned. What's your thoughts on that?


Meh... too me it's fluff.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 11:10 darthfoley wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:49 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.


Slow down hotshot.
When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes?


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?


You have good reads, I'll give you that.
You just gotta work on being more convincing.


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.


Name recognition help for sure, but it’s also about how you present yourself and your arguments.

Perfect example is Lonelyclock last game. A newbie, but very solid town-read with a lot of credibility.
Someone presenting themselves like that pushes a lot of weight around.

Don’t get me wrong, I like your more confident approach, but it’s throwing me off because it’s so different from previous games, and it’s also a bit too much over the top and appears a bit forced.


I dislike ruxxar's early game filter. Super fluff with no substance. Yea, sure, lots of people are posting fluff kinda. But ruxxar's gives me the vibes of feigning activity to seem interested. It's pretty easy to do early game especially, when people are dicking about.

Besides that, I have no idea why he feels the need to dictate how Damerion votes, the aggressiveness of his vote, and the subsequent commentary

Let me break down the bolded sentence for you
1) "Don't get me wrong" = apologetic, not trying to tread on anyone's toes, like scumversion last game
2) "I like your more confident approach" implies a town lean of some sort, with buddy potential
3) So he likes the confident approach, BUT it's throwing him off because it's so different from last game. So you like it... but it's throwing you off?
4) It's also "a bit too much over the top and feels forced" implying it's scummy.

So to conclude, Ruxxar likes Damerion's aggressive and confident play even though it's throwing him off but it's over the top and feels forced. So why do you like the approach if you are going to call it scummy one line later? This is a whole lot of nothing burger


I can kinda understand ruxxar questioning Damerion's reason to vote so early, and it's not that he's dictating, he's just saying to take it slow.

I think this post clearly explains Ruxxar's thinking.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 09:20 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 09:08 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2017 09:05 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:59 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:57 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:53 Conversion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:34 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:17 Damerion wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:04 ruXxar wrote:
On November 01 2017 08:02 Damerion wrote:
##vote ShoCkeyy[/b

I ask and expect you all to follow me on this.

@Damdred especially you.


Slow down hotshot.
When did you go from being mr waffly scum reader to becoming sherlock holmes?


Did the cohost of my first game forget the resounding hammer I put on the whole scum team?


You have good reads, I'll give you that.
You just gotta work on being more convincing.


No I need name recognition, if I had a larger name associated with me I would be followed much easier.

And if memory serves I did find scum last game a couple of times, just was to afk to oersue those links at the time.

In any case HolyFlare is also coming across disengenous at this point.


nah actually I'm willing to blind follow you 100% after the last 2 games

you're not as good this game though so that's weird.also I never trust HF because he is a "big name" so that's a bad point

What’s that supposed to mean???


oi don't red text me m8

he just seems weird throwing out all these soft reads. his usual play has been slam down hard with a big read that calls out 2/3 or 3/3 scum, but idk. maybe he's trying to be more active b/c he died last game because of it, but I don't like it


You’re saying he’s not as good when no one has flipped yet. It doesn’t make sense in the context you’re trying to appropriate to him.

You’re trying to measure his “good play” based on his posts rather than the result of his reads.

If his previous games reads had all been wrong, then you wouldn’t be calling his big read posts good.

Like.. I don’t see where you’re coming from.


it's what HF said before, why change up your playstyle when nothing was wrong with it to begin with? the only reason I can think of is he wants to avoid being lynched b/c of activity again, so he tries to throw out soft reads by looking active. I don't like that

if his big read posts in the previous games were off, then I can see why he's trying to change his playstyle

I don't think I'm being unclear, and have no idea why you're nitpicking at the point, so make that two of us that don't understand each other


Also, how is his read soft?
He straight up called shockey mafia, voted for him and asked people to follow him.


I know I post like shit, but I do it for a reason, it's easy to be able to see who jumps on the "vote shockeyy" bandwagon, and of course one of the mafia members is easily going to jump on it, if not two cause my posting is so "shitty". Damerian is trying to use his credibility from his past two games to try and have a following into voting some one off easily. It's kinda scummy in my opinion.


He then continues with this, saying he is writing "like shit" on purpose to find scum. Basically saying that other people should ignore his bad posting, and then repeating what he said before, that going after him means you are scum.

[B]On November 01 2017 09:45 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Look at that, I got two almost three pages worth of info out of my one little measly post.

Still haven't seen these people post either:

4. The_Zen_Man
5. Oatsmaster
10. Breshke
12. Vivax
13. Tictock

So we'd still have to wait till they show up.


There is also this post. He takes credit for starting two pages of posts, but where he did not himself post anything. He only had one post that was referenced in those two pages. But why should he get credit for that when it was other people posting? He also says we should wait until AFK people show up, but not wanting to contribute himself.

Darth also soft defended him so maybe there is a possible scum team here? Regardless, he is also very scummy.

[b] ##Vote darthfoley
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 01 2017 21:40 GMT
#448
On November 02 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:
I just have a hard time seeing town!Vivax AFK'ing for almost 24h, then coming in with the same two scum reads as like 3-4 other people. You aren't interacting with anyone, questioning your scum reads, or anything.

On the other hand, Zen master has basically found a reason to scum read me for every post I made to fit the narrative that i'm scum. The fact that he carefully crafted one long ass post to give 25 reasons why i'm scum is actually more questionable than Vivax casually throwing out some reads.


Yeah, the fact that I actually put effort into my post means im scum. But just throwing accusations without any thought behind them and jumping from wagon to wagon like you did is very town-like.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 01 2017 21:49 GMT
#455
On November 02 2017 06:33 Holyflare wrote:
Is zen guy new? Way too much of a wall of text for a new mafia to make.


Nah, I'm not new. I haven't played for a while but I still wouldn't call myself new to mafia.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 01 2017 21:51 GMT
#456
On November 02 2017 06:42 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote:
I just have a hard time seeing town!Vivax AFK'ing for almost 24h, then coming in with the same two scum reads as like 3-4 other people. You aren't interacting with anyone, questioning your scum reads, or anything.

On the other hand, Zen master has basically found a reason to scum read me for every post I made to fit the narrative that i'm scum. The fact that he carefully crafted one long ass post to give 25 reasons why i'm scum is actually more questionable than Vivax casually throwing out some reads.


Yeah, the fact that I actually put effort into my post means im scum. But just throwing accusations without any thought behind them and jumping from wagon to wagon like you did is very town-like.


The game has to start somehow. I have thought behind them, but that doesn't mean I always have to share my thought process.

I'm more interested to hear what you think about other people in the game, and why.


What? So you have thoughts but decide to not share them with other people? How are we supposed to make reads on you if you if you don't post your though process and wait for everyone else to post? This was a very scummy post.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 02 2017 21:45 GMT
#694
Hey guys, just got caught up and I'm gonna post about some of the people that have stuck out for me when reading thread and some stuff I didn't have time to write last night. Also want to clarify, I like doing big posts like this rather than a few smaller posts, both to gather my thoughts and have others see my views more easily.

Conversion:

Conversion for me right now is neutral. His point about Damerion changing his playstyle has some merit too it, although I disagree that it has to be a scum-tell. What most people seem to fixate about him was his reaction when being attacked by others. I'm gonna have to defend him here, no one likes to being accused of being scum. Was it an overreaction? Yes, but both mafia and town are going to be upset if they are accused of mafia. He's been aggressive which I think is a point towards him as town and backs up his votes and accusations with his reasons why he does. However I did find something weird about him. Back early in the game when people were attacking him, after reacting the way he did he simply left and said he was being attacked for posting his views. This was really a strange move for me. Someone said he was "martyring" himself and I have to agree. That's why he gets a neutral read in my book.



Damerion

I just went through Damerion's filter. His early posting is fine, he voted for Shock but gave reason for it. But then he posted this not too long ago

On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,

I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.

I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.

Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen

The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.

But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.

And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.


He gives 4 people as mafia, but with no reasoning for any of them before he is asked to do so, and then only does so for two of the 4. He also hides one of the names for fear of "developing a war". I feel this is more a scum thing to do, since scum are more afraid to get attention to themselves and want to just quietly slip under the radar. I also want to bring into attention this post he made:

On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2017 04:30 ruXxar wrote:
On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote:
Hello,

I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do.

I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people.

Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen

The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong.

But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed.

And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder.


Can I hear your opinion on ticktock and zen?


In the moat concise way possible,

Very little interaction between either of them.
Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether.
Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread.

Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10.

Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe.


The bolded part is exactly what Damdred said a few hours earlier. He basically just copied what he said and passed it off as his own thought. This is very scummy thing to do, and he is scum-lean for me. I still think both Darth and Shock are more scum than him, but he's number 3 on my list.

Oatsmaster

Oatsmaster is right now the only one I read as town. He is aggressive and pushes his lynches relentlessly, both qualities that I believe make you town. But I feel like he's tunneling rux a bit hard and his reason for it are not that strong. He has a lot of post, but from what I understand he says Rux lies about saying shock was town early in the game, and now he is still going for him because of it. I looked at that Rux post and it's kind of a strech to say that he lied. He said ticktock reads the game same as him, but then calls shock town while ticktock called him mafia. This isn't really lying in my book.

Darth is still my number one in scumlist so I'm gonna keep my vote on him.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 02 2017 21:50 GMT
#700
Oats, am I misunderstanding something here or is your reason for wanting to lynch rux simply because of that post about "my reads are same as ticktock"?

Also, could you not post all the time when most of it is stuff you are repeating? It drowns out the things you really want to say when you have a sea of posts where most of them don't really say anything.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 02 2017 21:56 GMT
#714
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 02 2017 21:59 GMT
#730
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 02 2017 22:22 GMT
#755
Wow, okay. That was super good for us but I have to be honest, my vote on tick was just a mistake. I can't take credit for it at all since I originally just wanted to vote shock. But in case you guys didn't notice, CONVERSION JUST TRIED TO SAVE TICKTOCK THE MAFIA!
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 03 2017 13:37 GMT
#853
On November 03 2017 22:27 Conversion wrote:
so at least we know Damdred is confirmed town, or are we putting tinfoil hats on and saying anyone on the TT train could be mafia that bussed him?


I don't think so. TT lynch was an accident basically, so can't have been a bus. At the very least I dont think they intended to bus him, since he was GF mafia. We can probably assume that those 3 that voted for TT (Damdred, Ruxxar and Damerion) are town.

The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 03 2017 20:51 GMT
#881
On November 04 2017 05:28 Damerion wrote:
And? Damdred was the person I was least sure of in the context of the game, however no person can say when he is town he is not good at finding scum.

And when he is sure and demanding you should follow him.

As for the hypocritcal portion of my arhuments I believe I have said just such in my filter but that does not change the fact that I had the read and aheeped Ddred who had a similar read. As for the Zen read I still believe I am correct.

And as for the meta point about big posts, that is a disengenous argument, especially since you used the exact oppositw argumebt last game that i only ised ahirt blurbs to try to get people lynched in the previous game.


Honestly, your arguments for me seem strangely stupid. Your best argument for me before the lynch was that I wrote big post. Now, according to Holyflare you yourself usually write big posts so that makes your criticism of me even stranger. Your argument was exactly like Damdred but you tried to pass it off as your own. And how is writing a big post bad here? It's much better than writing little text on a lot of posts.

But the weirdest part of your criticism of me is that you think I'm mafia for last night's voting, which I still don't understand. According to you I tried to both bus and save TT at the same time, though I'm not sure how that is even possible. If you want proof that it was a mistake just look at my post shortly before D1 lynch, I clearly stated I was gonna vote for Shock.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 03 2017 21:21 GMT
#885
On November 04 2017 06:00 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2017 05:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 04 2017 05:28 Damerion wrote:
And? Damdred was the person I was least sure of in the context of the game, however no person can say when he is town he is not good at finding scum.

And when he is sure and demanding you should follow him.

As for the hypocritcal portion of my arhuments I believe I have said just such in my filter but that does not change the fact that I had the read and aheeped Ddred who had a similar read. As for the Zen read I still believe I am correct.

And as for the meta point about big posts, that is a disengenous argument, especially since you used the exact oppositw argumebt last game that i only ised ahirt blurbs to try to get people lynched in the previous game.


Honestly, your arguments for me seem strangely stupid. Your best argument for me before the lynch was that I wrote big post. Now, according to Holyflare you yourself usually write big posts so that makes your criticism of me even stranger. Your argument was exactly like Damdred but you tried to pass it off as your own. And how is writing a big post bad here? It's much better than writing little text on a lot of posts.

But the weirdest part of your criticism of me is that you think I'm mafia for last night's voting, which I still don't understand. According to you I tried to both bus and save TT at the same time, though I'm not sure how that is even possible. If you want proof that it was a mistake just look at my post shortly before D1 lynch, I clearly stated I was gonna vote for Shock.


How do you vote by mistake?
I don't understand how you managed to vote for tick tock if you wanted to lynch shockey.


Was lazy so I copied someone elses vote and planned to just change the name. But somehow completely forgot to change the name. Noticed it like right before deadline and tried to change it to Shockey who I wanted to vote for.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 04 2017 10:40 GMT
#964
On November 04 2017 09:17 ruXxar wrote:
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On November 03 2017 07:22 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Wow, okay. That was super good for us but I have to be honest, my vote on tick was just a mistake. I can't take credit for it at all since I originally just wanted to vote shock. But in case you guys didn't notice, CONVERSION JUST TRIED TO SAVE TICKTOCK THE MAFIA!


Sooo, apparently zen thought conversion trying to save tick tock was important enough to put in all caps.
Where is the follow up though? Next post of his he's chatting with conversion as if it didn't mean anything.

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On November 03 2017 22:37 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 22:27 Conversion wrote:
so at least we know Damdred is confirmed town, or are we putting tinfoil hats on and saying anyone on the TT train could be mafia that bussed him?


I don't think so. TT lynch was an accident basically, so can't have been a bus. At the very least I dont think they intended to bus him, since he was GF mafia. We can probably assume that those 3 that voted for TT (Damdred, Ruxxar and Damerion) are town.



After that he moves onto a completely different topic talking about damerion.


Are you just intentionally ignoring posts to fit your view now? Conversion answered when I posted that to him.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 04 2017 10:46 GMT
#965
About the night kill, As some have pointed out already it's suprising that none of the 3 that voted for TT died tonight and instead DF. If not the three then I was pretty sure Oats would die, he seems the most townie to me. It could have been a mafia vote for mafia on TT to deflect suspicion, and they just didn't expect me accidently also voting for him.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 04 2017 12:24 GMT
#971
On November 04 2017 20:28 ruXxar wrote:
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On November 04 2017 19:46 The_Zen_Man wrote:
About the night kill, As some have pointed out already it's suprising that none of the 3 that voted for TT died tonight and instead DF. If not the three then I was pretty sure Oats would die, he seems the most townie to me. It could have been a mafia vote for mafia on TT to deflect suspicion, and they just didn't expect me accidently also voting for him.


Looked more to me like you mis-voted and then were scrambling at the last second to vote for shockey to save your team mate.

See, here's why I don't like you:

1) Here you say that you're going to switch to shockey, because he "has a chance of being the lynch".
Fair enough.

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On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.



Next thing you go into the vote thread and vote tick tock by accident.

2) Now back in the thread, you say that you prefer a Tick tock lynch over a Ruxxar lynch.

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On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.





Now back in the vote thread the vote looks like this with 1 minute to go:

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On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:

Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax,


You unvoting tick tock and then voting shockey at this point is really scummy because you are going against both of the points you made earlier:

1) You wanted to vote shockey because he had a chance to get lynched. Well at the point you tried to unvote tick tock there was NO chance of shockey getting lynched.

2) You liked the Tick tock lynch better than the Ruxxar lynch. By attempting to unvote Tick tock, you were effectively setting up the hammer for my lynch by making it 4-3 in favor of me.


Again the same, trying to fit your view by ignoring reality of what happened. I clearly said I wanted to vote shock, and then I tried to switch when I realised my mistake. Anyone should be able to realise that the voteswitch wasn't alignment indictive at all yet you using it as an argument is really strange. My vote was on Shockey from the beginning, that was what I meant to do and that was what I wanted my vote on. Yeah, I preferred TT wagon over you, but I preferred Shock over both of you, something I said several times.

At this point it seems you are just ignoring the truth and cherry picking to fit your view.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 04 2017 12:50 GMT
#973
On November 04 2017 21:27 ruXxar wrote:
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On November 04 2017 21:24 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 04 2017 20:28 ruXxar wrote:
On November 04 2017 19:46 The_Zen_Man wrote:
About the night kill, As some have pointed out already it's suprising that none of the 3 that voted for TT died tonight and instead DF. If not the three then I was pretty sure Oats would die, he seems the most townie to me. It could have been a mafia vote for mafia on TT to deflect suspicion, and they just didn't expect me accidently also voting for him.


Looked more to me like you mis-voted and then were scrambling at the last second to vote for shockey to save your team mate.

See, here's why I don't like you:

1) Here you say that you're going to switch to shockey, because he "has a chance of being the lynch".
Fair enough.

On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.



Next thing you go into the vote thread and vote tick tock by accident.

2) Now back in the thread, you say that you prefer a Tick tock lynch over a Ruxxar lynch.

On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.





Now back in the vote thread the vote looks like this with 1 minute to go:

On November 03 2017 07:09 Rels wrote:

Tictock (4): Damdred, ruXxar, Damerion, The_Zen_Man
ruxXar (4): Oatsmaster, Darthfoley, happykrogan, Tictock
ShoCkeyy (2): Conversion, Vivax,


You unvoting tick tock and then voting shockey at this point is really scummy because you are going against both of the points you made earlier:

1) You wanted to vote shockey because he had a chance to get lynched. Well at the point you tried to unvote tick tock there was NO chance of shockey getting lynched.

2) You liked the Tick tock lynch better than the Ruxxar lynch. By attempting to unvote Tick tock, you were effectively setting up the hammer for my lynch by making it 4-3 in favor of me.


Again the same, trying to fit your view by ignoring reality of what happened. I clearly said I wanted to vote shock, and then I tried to switch when I realised my mistake. Anyone should be able to realise that the voteswitch wasn't alignment indictive at all yet you using it as an argument is really strange. My vote was on Shockey from the beginning, that was what I meant to do and that was what I wanted my vote on. Yeah, I preferred TT wagon over you, but I preferred Shock over both of you, something I said several times.

At this point it seems you are just ignoring the truth and cherry picking to fit your view.


What was the point in voting for shockey at the last minute when:

1) He wasnt going to get lynched
2) You would let me get lynched over your preferred tick tock lynch


Because he was who I wanted to vote for in my original vote. And when I was gonna vote for him he was actually a possible lynch. What aren't you getting about this? My vote was never on TT, it was always on Shockey which is why I tried to correct my mistake. I wasn't thinking about "Changing this vote will get Ruxxar killed" but "I accidently voted for TT and not Shock like I wanted to, let's change it to what I wanted".
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 18:03 GMT
#1039
On November 04 2017 22:12 Conversion wrote:
idk the more I look at it, the weirder your vote progression gets.

5:45 DF was your top scum read.

5:56 You realize he can't get lynched, so you "switch" onto Shock (actually switched onto TicTock)

5:59 you state this:

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On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.


But then you try to get off the TicTock wagon on to rux, even though you stated yourself that you like TT > rux for D1 lynch. Why would you jump off it at the last second when Shock wasn't getting lynched, and you preferred a TT lynch? Why did your logic suddenly change from "DF only has one vote, so he can't get lynched. I'm gonna hop off to someone" to "I'm switching to Shock even though I don't really see him getting lynched with less than 30 seconds left to lynch"


At the time of my original vote (22:58 swedish time) it would have been split between Shock, TT and Ruxx so it was still a viable lynch. Since Ruxx was set to be lynched I figured he would want to maybe save himself and Vote Shock. After I made my accidental vote I went back to the thread and made that post, then back to vote thread and wanted to double check voting. That's when I saw my own post and just hurried to change it to what I wanted before. I didn't even see TT vote since I didn't refresh, just wanted to change my vote as fast as humanly possible.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 18:06 GMT
#1041
Gonna vote for Ruxxar at this point. His posts recently have been really weird and he ignores posts and distorts what actually happened to fit his own views which I've already mentioned in my earlier posts. It also seems to be me vs him at this point and I know for a fact that I'm town but not sure about him.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 18:13 GMT
#1043
On November 05 2017 04:20 Conversion wrote:
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On November 05 2017 03:41 ritoky wrote:
why exactly are you lynching someone who lynched mafia on a 4/4 split vote the subsequent day, even if by accident?


because he tried to swap out of the wagon, failed, and now is saying he didn't mean to lynch mafia

?? why would he even say that as town, and then try to defend his position on swapping off TT wagon. I would have just parked the vote on TT as town and gone "lol mafia lynch I'm good"


Wouldn't taking credit for it as mafia make more sense? I wanted to be honest about what happened so I told everyone how it was. A better question is why would I not take credit for it as mafia? Could it be that maybe I'm not mafia?
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 18:26 GMT
#1044
Also Ruxxar and Conversion, I want to hear why all the arguments you made against me also don't apply to Conversion? His vote switch is even scummier because there was no accidental voting there, he wanted to vote against Ruxxar which would have saved TT. I asked him about it and this:

On November 03 2017 07:22 Conversion wrote:
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On November 03 2017 07:22 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Wow, okay. That was super good for us but I have to be honest, my vote on tick was just a mistake. I can't take credit for it at all since I originally just wanted to vote shock. But in case you guys didn't notice, CONVERSION JUST TRIED TO SAVE TICKTOCK THE MAFIA!


why would I switch onto ruxx literal seconds and risk not getting my vote counted (which happened exactly) if I was trying to save my scum partner? wtf?


On November 03 2017 07:25 Conversion wrote:
especially since TT flipped godfather.. why would I even risk him getting remotely closed to lynched and not vote earlier and push ruxxar hard?


I was the one that asked this and the reason I had no follow up is because what Conversion said here makes sense. And the same way it can used as an argument for me. What dosen't make sense is why Conversion now suddenly is pushing me for something that basically he also did.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 18:30 GMT
#1045
On November 05 2017 05:03 ritoky wrote:
i don't buy what you're selling.

you say he made it up, when clearly he is being honest. he either accidentally'd a mafia as town or accidentally'd his partner; but i think it is pretty clear he is being honest.

you say his admission makes no sense as town, when it quite obviously makes more sense as town being honest than it does from any mafia perspective where it is significantly more beneficial to take the credit.

you say he tried to last minute derail a vote off of confirmed mafia, when you did the same thing.

i find that evidence lacking when put next to "lynched mafia yesterday".


I have been losing my mind trying to say this the past few days but they won't listen. Ruxxar ignores posts and tries to fit everything into his narrative, even if that narrative dosen't fit with reality. He is tunneling me stupidly hard right now.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 19:51 GMT
#1073
Right now I could go for a lynch on either Rux, Conversion or Shock. I'm gonna keep my vote on Ruxx for now since Oats is a strong townread for me.

Ritoky is also a townread for me. Maybe it's because he seems like the only sane person after the last few days of dealing with something really stupid. But he did go against a wagon that at the time was very strong and had some good posts on the subject. That's a very town move to make.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 22:10 GMT
#1138
On November 06 2017 07:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
GG gl


GG man, don't know why everyone voted for you. Especially with Conversion.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 22:14 GMT
#1141
On November 06 2017 07:10 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody tell him about conversion and see what happens


What about conversion?
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 05 2017 22:41 GMT
#1143
On November 06 2017 06:55 Conversion wrote:
fuck off oats and ruxx I’m jailkeeper


It's this im guessing? Honestly, though wtf? Why would you vote for yourself and then also claim when you weren't even set to be lynched? Even with your vote Oats was still set to be lynched.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 18:25 GMT
#1206
On November 06 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2017 03:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 04 2017 22:12 Conversion wrote:
idk the more I look at it, the weirder your vote progression gets.

5:45 DF was your top scum read.

5:56 You realize he can't get lynched, so you "switch" onto Shock (actually switched onto TicTock)

5:59 you state this:

On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.


But then you try to get off the TicTock wagon on to rux, even though you stated yourself that you like TT > rux for D1 lynch. Why would you jump off it at the last second when Shock wasn't getting lynched, and you preferred a TT lynch? Why did your logic suddenly change from "DF only has one vote, so he can't get lynched. I'm gonna hop off to someone" to "I'm switching to Shock even though I don't really see him getting lynched with less than 30 seconds left to lynch"


At the time of my original vote (22:58 swedish time) it would have been split between Shock, TT and Ruxx so it was still a viable lynch.
Since Ruxx was set to be lynched I figured he would want to maybe save himself and Vote Shock. After I made my accidental vote I went back to the thread and made that post, then back to vote thread and wanted to double check voting. That's when I saw my own post and just hurried to change it to what I wanted before. I didn't even see TT vote since I didn't refresh, just wanted to change my vote as fast as humanly possible.


FYI this is straight up a lie. Shock wasn't a viable lynch target unless you got +1 on the shock train with you, which you didn't. so unless you're saying you saw the future and saw ruxxar (I believe he's the only other person who actually wanted to try and jump off and lynch Shock instead of TT) hope onto Shock, in which case your vote would have swayed the D1 lynch to get Shock, he was never really in the running for a lynch.

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On November 06 2017 04:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now I could go for a lynch on either Rux, Conversion or Shock. I'm gonna keep my vote on Ruxx for now since Oats is a strong townread for me.

Ritoky is also a townread for me. Maybe it's because he seems like the only sane person after the last few days of dealing with something really stupid. But he did go against a wagon that at the time was very strong and had some good posts on the subject. That's a very town move to make.


So his 2/3 lynch are the two blue roles, ends up switching to me. Comes right after the lynch to try and make himself look good after a town mislynch.

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On November 06 2017 07:10 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 06 2017 07:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
GG gl


GG man, don't know why everyone voted for you. Especially with Conversion.


Opportunistic scum, lynch him please. Don't care if he was on wagon or not D1.

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On November 06 2017 04:05 ritoky wrote:
so conv, oats, shockey, or krogan will be getting my vote; since to me the game seems like basically auto.

the ruxx +1 world only exists if you think the lynch was mvm like oats does from what i gather, which just seems the least likely to me because of shit like why ruxx elects to bus a teammate to save himself when there are alternatives available to him. and the zen +1 world only exists if you think zen accidentally'd his partner, which you seem to believe and i currently don't.

elsewise the game is basically we have 3 lynches guaranteed lynches and 4 people. if 1 of them becomes super town or is blue then it is auto....so game seems pretty simple from where i sit.


JK/Town/Vig

so you going to vote Krogan now?



First of no it's not a lie. I'm gonna take this really slowly to have you understand because I'm really tired of hearing the same thing. So, when I voted the score would have been 3-3-3 between TT shock and Ruxxar. Now Ruxxar was still set to be lynched because he reached 3 votes first. So knowing this it would be obvious that Ruxxar would want to save himself, making it a lynch that had more than a fair chance of going throgh.

And how was I to know about blue roles before the claim even happened? Either you are stupid or just deliberately spreading misinformation on me.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 18:28 GMT
#1207
Ruxxar and Conversion, can you explain to me how you suddenly are back on me after yesterday going off me?

Conversion especially, who thought my post was honest but then cites that same post as me being mafia.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 18:52 GMT
#1213
On November 07 2017 03:39 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 03:25 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 06 2017 23:53 Conversion wrote:
On November 06 2017 03:03 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 04 2017 22:12 Conversion wrote:
idk the more I look at it, the weirder your vote progression gets.

5:45 DF was your top scum read.

5:56 You realize he can't get lynched, so you "switch" onto Shock (actually switched onto TicTock)

5:59 you state this:

On November 03 2017 06:59 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote:
Is darth even a real candidate at this point?

Whats your take on the other wagons zen?


Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch.

I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good.


On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast.


But then you try to get off the TicTock wagon on to rux, even though you stated yourself that you like TT > rux for D1 lynch. Why would you jump off it at the last second when Shock wasn't getting lynched, and you preferred a TT lynch? Why did your logic suddenly change from "DF only has one vote, so he can't get lynched. I'm gonna hop off to someone" to "I'm switching to Shock even though I don't really see him getting lynched with less than 30 seconds left to lynch"


At the time of my original vote (22:58 swedish time) it would have been split between Shock, TT and Ruxx so it was still a viable lynch.
Since Ruxx was set to be lynched I figured he would want to maybe save himself and Vote Shock. After I made my accidental vote I went back to the thread and made that post, then back to vote thread and wanted to double check voting. That's when I saw my own post and just hurried to change it to what I wanted before. I didn't even see TT vote since I didn't refresh, just wanted to change my vote as fast as humanly possible.


FYI this is straight up a lie. Shock wasn't a viable lynch target unless you got +1 on the shock train with you, which you didn't. so unless you're saying you saw the future and saw ruxxar (I believe he's the only other person who actually wanted to try and jump off and lynch Shock instead of TT) hope onto Shock, in which case your vote would have swayed the D1 lynch to get Shock, he was never really in the running for a lynch.

On November 06 2017 04:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Right now I could go for a lynch on either Rux, Conversion or Shock. I'm gonna keep my vote on Ruxx for now since Oats is a strong townread for me.

Ritoky is also a townread for me. Maybe it's because he seems like the only sane person after the last few days of dealing with something really stupid. But he did go against a wagon that at the time was very strong and had some good posts on the subject. That's a very town move to make.


So his 2/3 lynch are the two blue roles, ends up switching to me. Comes right after the lynch to try and make himself look good after a town mislynch.

On November 06 2017 07:10 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 06 2017 07:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
GG gl


GG man, don't know why everyone voted for you. Especially with Conversion.


Opportunistic scum, lynch him please. Don't care if he was on wagon or not D1.

On November 06 2017 04:05 ritoky wrote:
so conv, oats, shockey, or krogan will be getting my vote; since to me the game seems like basically auto.

the ruxx +1 world only exists if you think the lynch was mvm like oats does from what i gather, which just seems the least likely to me because of shit like why ruxx elects to bus a teammate to save himself when there are alternatives available to him. and the zen +1 world only exists if you think zen accidentally'd his partner, which you seem to believe and i currently don't.

elsewise the game is basically we have 3 lynches guaranteed lynches and 4 people. if 1 of them becomes super town or is blue then it is auto....so game seems pretty simple from where i sit.


JK/Town/Vig

so you going to vote Krogan now?



First of no it's not a lie. I'm gonna take this really slowly to have you understand because I'm really tired of hearing the same thing. So, when I voted the score would have been 3-3-3 between TT shock and Ruxxar. Now Ruxxar was still set to be lynched because he reached 3 votes first. So knowing this it would be obvious that Ruxxar would want to save himself, making it a lynch that had more than a fair chance of going throgh.

And how was I to know about blue roles before the claim even happened? Either you are stupid or just deliberately spreading misinformation on me.


First off, you're telling me that this realization would have come to Ruxxar within the 90 seconds you came to the thread and voted.

Second, when you switched your vote you would have been at a 3-3-3 with TT/Shock/Ruxxar, and ruxxar still would not be lynched. This happened to me last game when I hit 5-4 and someone voted off me, making it 4-4 between me and Damerion. I still got lynched, even though Damerion "hit" 4 votes first.

So unless you're telling me that mechanics somehow changed between games, you're wrong. Don't belittle me because you're bad at playing mafia.


Before my vote it says "At the current vote count, ruxXar will be eliminated from the game". At this time it was 3-3 between TT and ruxx. With my vote it would be 3-3-3 with TT/shock/Ruxxar. When Ruxxar switch it would be 4 votes for shock, 3 for Rux and 2 for TT.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 18:54 GMT
#1214
On November 07 2017 03:36 Conversion wrote:
I'm onto you because you are my least favorite player in the pool of 5 I mentioned, so either you're stupid and you can't read, or you're scum


If you don't like me that's fine. But try to be a little objective here instead of just going after people you don't like. You honestly don't seem to be able to take even the slightest bit of criticism, however small.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 18:59 GMT
#1216
On November 07 2017 03:42 Conversion wrote:
Last of all, you still fail to answer why your logic of "I'm not going to vote someone who's not going to be lynched" somehow CHANGED over two cycles and you keep refusing to address it. What was your point in voting off wagon on to me there, when you had a legitimate chance of lynching your other scum read in ruxxar? what a lame way to dodge committing to a wagon, so you vote for me without even realizing my claim. It's just straight up embarrassing.


Who else was there at that time? I was clear from the start that I read Oats as town so I was clerly not going to vote for him. The second biggest wagon was the one on me, and after that you were the third biggest one. It was an obvious choice really.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 19:05 GMT
#1220
On November 07 2017 04:00 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
I also agree with that, no need for name calling.


I only called him stupid because he did, tbh. If you're going to hurl insults, be ready to have it thrown back at yo


You told me to "piss off" and I never actually called you stupid. I just said that either you were stupid or deliberately spreading misinformation.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 19:08 GMT
#1221
On November 07 2017 04:04 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2017 03:54 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 07 2017 03:36 Conversion wrote:
I'm onto you because you are my least favorite player in the pool of 5 I mentioned, so either you're stupid and you can't read, or you're scum


If you don't like me that's fine. But try to be a little objective here instead of just going after people you don't like. You honestly don't seem to be able to take even the slightest bit of criticism, however small.


You're the one insulting me when I'm asking you a very simple question:

You state you don't like voting on wagons that won't get anywhere, so why are you voting me instead of Ruxxar, who is also one of your scum reads?


Ruxxar had only one vote at the time which was mine. Oats still had a vote on you so together with mine that would atleast make 2. As I said before the other was either Oats or me. I read Oats as town and I'm obv not gonna vote on myself.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 06 2017 19:24 GMT
#1225
On November 07 2017 04:12 Conversion wrote:
I'm calling you scum for the exact same reasons I called shockey D1. you don't do anything, you only respond/have opinions of people who are attacking you. Your entire D2 summary is "I think Ruxxar or Conversion should be lynched because they attacked me. Shock too, from D1. And oats is town"

you don't contribute to anything else, you tell everyone you're tired of hearing/repeating the same thing, yet you don't do anything after addressing the same point 5-6 times, then you randomly show up for votes and completely miss a blue claim for the D2 lynch.

what's your thoughts on D3 lynch, and who's your top lynch candidate?


Way to belittle everything I said D2. I could easily do something similliar about you writing "All you did D2 was go after zen, drop him then vote for yourself". I have no problem with people going after me, but when they ignore and manipulate the truth then I do have a problem with it and gonna call them out for it.

After the blue claims of you and Shock I still have Ruxx on my scum-list. After you unvoted me he also unvoted me not long after, going a full 180 on his earlier view. Then when you went after me again he followed suit, even though he had said that he believed me and that I seemed honest.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 07 2017 22:34 GMT
#1358
Hi, so I've been going through Shock with regards to last night kill and I'm pretty sure he is town. I just looked through that whole "blue" claim shock made and it was in fact hf that pushed that "claim" onto him.

On November 06 2017 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
Cos he's the real vig


Now, at this point I think what Shock was trying to do was save the vig from NK. So he let people think he was vig. Hf had already used his shot but was still confirmed town which could be very useful for town. At the very least he wouldn't claim vig as mafia when he both knows hf is the real vig and then also shoot him. Just can't think that mafia would do this at all.

That being said I still have Ruxx as scum-read. He was flailing around on his view on me and seemed to basically follow whatever conversion view on me was. When Conversion unvoted he unvoted, and when Conversion went after me again so did he. He also used some pretty weird arguments, at times even ignoring or misreprisenting posts entirely.

I also find Damerion very scummy. He has called me mafia from the start of the game and I haven't really responded to him because his best argument was that I made a big post D1. He seems to basically want people to blind follow him and finds it suspicious when they don't. From how Damerion speaks about himself he's supposed to me some kind of Mafia god but has one of the smallest filter and has no good arguments for his reads. It seems he is using tunneling on me as a front for actually contributing to the scum-hunt. Almost all of his posts have simply been "Zen is scum, lynch him". So basically wanting to seem like he does something while in reality he is saying the same thing he just said in the post before. If he actually wrote his arguments for it and said why he thought I was scum then that would be fine, would lead to discussion and help with finding who is town and who is scum. But he simply writes "Zen+X is scum, lynch them".

Damerion is now going after shock for reasons that he himself admits are hypocritical. But admitting it dosen't make it any less hypocritical. And he reads the "claim" for vig all wrong. I would think a mafia "god" like himself would figure out that Shock is most likely town with respect to the NK.


The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 08 2017 20:14 GMT
#1374
On November 09 2017 05:05 ritoky wrote:
cool chat every1.


I agree with a lot you wrote on your big post. You're right about N1 kill, DF had very little activity and clout in the game. I think when mafia killed him they were hoping that people wouldn't look to deep into who DF thought was scum.

Another thing about Ruxx. What do you make of his flipping around on me? He seemed to almost follow Conversion in this. When Conversion unvoted he did too not long after. When Conversion went back on me so did he.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 08 2017 22:22 GMT
#1395
On November 09 2017 07:15 ritoky wrote:
why would you just lynch your godfather out of the blue....i am so confused.


I'm pretty sure D1 lynch was a bus. TT being godfather might make it seem less likely as a bus. Also this makes me a lot more certain that Damerion is the last mafia.

But wtf, why did only 4 of us vote? Feel like I'm wasting my time here.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 20:39 GMT
#1433
Ok, so if we go with that TT lynch was a planned lynch (since Damdred was on him pretty early) then it would make sense that the other mafia also goes for TT so they can both get towncred for lynching a mafia. Basically getting the most of their bus. That makes Damerion very likely scum since he was also on TT. This plus all the stuff I wrote about him D3 makes me certain he is the last scum.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 22:12 GMT
#1441
Yeah, this game is won now. Whoever Conversion blocked is the last scum. GG guys!
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 22:15 GMT
#1443
On November 10 2017 07:12 Conversion wrote:
Conv/happy/Damerion/Zen/Shock/ritoky

5-1

No idea why they wouldn't shoot here, as they have to shoot me regardless down the line. Assuming I get shot down the line and we mislynch, we're at 3-1 from a pool of:

happy/Damer/Zen/Shock/ritoky

who benefits from not shooting here the most?


Yeah, mafia would shoot here if they could. Whoever you blocked is probably last scum since his NK was blocked. I'm guessing it was Damer?
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 22:37 GMT
#1452
On November 10 2017 07:30 Damerion wrote:
n1: Check on Breshke slot
N2: Check on happy
n3: Check on Zen

Green, green, red


Yeah, I don't believe this. You had me as your number 1 scum-read but check me on N3? Also, you don't claim 22.59 during night but instead right after night is finished. You are the last scum and this is just a last attempt at surviving. I'm gonna vote for you. If Damer flips blue you guys can just turbolynch me afterwards.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 22:46 GMT
#1455
On November 10 2017 07:41 happykrogan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2017 07:41 happykrogan wrote:
On November 10 2017 07:37 The_Zen_Man wrote:
On November 10 2017 07:30 Damerion wrote:
n1: Check on Breshke slot
N2: Check on happy
n3: Check on Zen

Green, green, red


Yeah, I don't believe this. You had me as your number 1 scum-read but check me on N3? Also, you don't claim 22.59 during night but instead right after night is finished. You are the last scum and this is just a last attempt at surviving. I'm gonna vote for you. If Damer flips blue you guys can just turbolynch me afterwards.


You voted wrong again.


You voted yourself

Thanks, fixed it!
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 09 2017 23:46 GMT
#1460
Wait a minute. How can Damerion check me N3 if Conversion also blocks me? When Jailkeeper blocks someone they can't be the target of a night action.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 10 2017 14:08 GMT
#1479
On November 10 2017 09:43 Conversion wrote:
or I’m lying but even then claiming cop is such a horrible trade should have just claimed jk and fought me for it


I don't think anyone would believe him over you if he claimed jk. He would then have waited days after to counterclaim. I don't know what his plan was, probably just pure survival since it looked like it was likely he was next lynch. Maybe he could claim I was a miller when I flipped? It's a small chance but I think he was desperate at that point.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 10 2017 19:40 GMT
#1489
On November 11 2017 04:31 Conversion wrote:
can someone explain this insanity to me like why would damerion ever fake claim cop if he was mafia


Why would he fake claim as a town? It's a dumb move either way. If it is TvT however and you lynch both of us you lose.

I do want to point out that he was pretty interested in knowing who you blocked. He was screaming at you to block me all of N3 as well. So if he is mafia I think it would be very likely he no killed to cast suspicion on me.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 11 2017 22:41 GMT
#1521
On November 12 2017 07:08 Holyflare wrote:
pointless bussing lost you the game imo, this game would have been 1000 times different with TT still alive

Nah, what lost us was damdred getting modkilled. Was kind of hard to go at it alone after that.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 11 2017 22:42 GMT
#1522
Also, scum qt

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/qtGqUmrfuWGhY
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
November 13 2017 11:57 GMT
#1530
On November 13 2017 01:06 Rels wrote:
GG WP everyone.

@The Zen Man: I felt pretty bad for you this game. You played an OK scum game, and you were kinda screwed by weird stuff: voting TT by mistake and correcting your vote just after deadline, your other teammate being modkilled ... I can understand why you felt we (the hosts) applied the rules harshly when it was against scum (your vote not being changed 'cause it was right after deadline, and Damdred being modkilled) while replacing someone who could have been modkilled and not making votecounts D3. I hope it doesn't stop you from playing again, 'cause your determination to continue fighting even when it became a lost hope was pretty impressive and could have turned the game in other circumstances!

And FTR I stand by the strict rules we applied, I can discuss if you want. I'm totally in favor of having a harsh deadline for votes, as if we don't have that some situations become just unfair. I'm also totally in favor of modkilling people who doesn't do the most basic thing in a mafia game (voting), as it's way too hard to differentiate scum from lazy town if they don't vote. We totally dropped the ball about not making votecounts D3 though.


Haha, yeah felt like I had the whole universe against me. However, I don't think I'll be playing again. This game was great and actually the first time I played as mafia. But the game has changed a lot since 5 years ago when I started. Maybe it's because my first game was so intense and fun that nothing has lived up to that since. Anyway, have fun here in the future guys!
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