EPTIt's been a while, but I'm getting those scum hunting urges again
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The_Zen_Man
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It's been a while, but I'm getting those scum hunting urges again | ||
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Scum darthfoley: Darth seems to me the most scummy right now. In start of game he basically calls out Ruxxar's post as being bad and scummy without adding anything about it, not even why he thinks it's bad. On November 01 2017 09:04 darthfoley wrote: Worst post so far. Good chance of being scum He goes on to push Ruxxar again without giving any reasons, then finally posts the view after he has called him mafia already twice. His reasons for it is that it is basically that he posts fluff, when it had only been a few hours of play. He's also a hypocrite, when he calls out Conversion for his early vote but then not long after says that early voting is fine. Basically his stances change based on what benefits him the most. On November 01 2017 13:05 darthfoley wrote: oh hey look, it's the guy that did the same shit last game when he was scum His posts generally seem to have about zero actual thoughts and analysis. This post dosen't help town at all, basically just attacking someone for being scum last game. On November 01 2017 13:11 darthfoley wrote: Still waiting for you to contribute anything meaningful to the game. Two vote posts and bickering is weak sauce from uber pro scum hunter Oatsmaster This post seemed really scummy to me. Saying he will "wait for Oats to contribute" is a very suspicious thing to say. Basically making himself seem like he has contributed while putting down anything Oats has done. On November 01 2017 13:24 darthfoley wrote: This is a waste of my time and we're just going back and forth on semantics. Go be productive and find scum. Report back to HQ when you're onto something! This one also seemed really scummy to me. Basically making it look like he is the "leader" and that others should go read the thread and scumhunt while he himself does nothing. On November 02 2017 03:20 darthfoley wrote: Krogan is town Or he posts stuff like this, saying people are town withouth any kind of reasoning behind it at all. On November 02 2017 03:21 darthfoley wrote: On November 01 2017 22:19 ShoCkeyy wrote: Oats is also too sporadic in the voting thread, jumping onto who ever seems the "easiest" to vote off. Him and Damerian posting are so similar it's disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them flipped red. Idk if a mafia posts this. I don't think so He goes on to defend Shock and saying he dosent think he is mafia (without giving reasons) Basically his posts are trying to seem like he is contributing while in reality he has posted next to nothing of substance. He tells others to post more and contribute, but adds almost nothing himself. When he makes reads he simply says "he is mafia", or "he is town". He is top on my scum list and im gonna vote on him. ShoCkeyy: Shockey to me is also scum-lean. He had some really scummy early posts. On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  This one was particularly scummy to me. He basically says that people being suspicious of him have a good chance of being scum. Thereby discouraging people of going after him for fear of they themselves being labelled scum. Very strange thing to say, and very scummy. [B]On November 01 2017 12:00 ShoCkeyy wrote: Meh... too me it's fluff. I can kinda understand ruxxar questioning Damerion's reason to vote so early, and it's not that he's dictating, he's just saying to take it slow. I think this post clearly explains Ruxxar's thinking. I know I post like shit, but I do it for a reason, it's easy to be able to see who jumps on the "vote shockeyy" bandwagon, and of course one of the mafia members is easily going to jump on it, if not two cause my posting is so "shitty". Damerian is trying to use his credibility from his past two games to try and have a following into voting some one off easily. It's kinda scummy in my opinion. He then continues with this, saying he is writing "like shit" on purpose to find scum. Basically saying that other people should ignore his bad posting, and then repeating what he said before, that going after him means you are scum. [B]On November 01 2017 09:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: Look at that, I got two almost three pages worth of info out of my one little measly post. Still haven't seen these people post either: 4. The_Zen_Man 5. Oatsmaster 10. Breshke 12. Vivax 13. Tictock So we'd still have to wait till they show up. There is also this post. He takes credit for starting two pages of posts, but where he did not himself post anything. He only had one post that was referenced in those two pages. But why should he get credit for that when it was other people posting? He also says we should wait until AFK people show up, but not wanting to contribute himself. Darth also soft defended him so maybe there is a possible scum team here? Regardless, he is also very scummy. [b] ##Vote darthfoley | ||
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The_Zen_Man
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On November 02 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote: I just have a hard time seeing town!Vivax AFK'ing for almost 24h, then coming in with the same two scum reads as like 3-4 other people. You aren't interacting with anyone, questioning your scum reads, or anything. On the other hand, Zen master has basically found a reason to scum read me for every post I made to fit the narrative that i'm scum. The fact that he carefully crafted one long ass post to give 25 reasons why i'm scum is actually more questionable than Vivax casually throwing out some reads. Yeah, the fact that I actually put effort into my post means im scum. But just throwing accusations without any thought behind them and jumping from wagon to wagon like you did is very town-like. | ||
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On November 02 2017 06:33 Holyflare wrote: Is zen guy new? Way too much of a wall of text for a new mafia to make. Nah, I'm not new. I haven't played for a while but I still wouldn't call myself new to mafia. | ||
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On November 02 2017 06:42 darthfoley wrote: The game has to start somehow. I have thought behind them, but that doesn't mean I always have to share my thought process. I'm more interested to hear what you think about other people in the game, and why. What? So you have thoughts but decide to not share them with other people? How are we supposed to make reads on you if you if you don't post your though process and wait for everyone else to post? This was a very scummy post. | ||
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Conversion: Conversion for me right now is neutral. His point about Damerion changing his playstyle has some merit too it, although I disagree that it has to be a scum-tell. What most people seem to fixate about him was his reaction when being attacked by others. I'm gonna have to defend him here, no one likes to being accused of being scum. Was it an overreaction? Yes, but both mafia and town are going to be upset if they are accused of mafia. He's been aggressive which I think is a point towards him as town and backs up his votes and accusations with his reasons why he does. However I did find something weird about him. Back early in the game when people were attacking him, after reacting the way he did he simply left and said he was being attacked for posting his views. This was really a strange move for me. Someone said he was "martyring" himself and I have to agree. That's why he gets a neutral read in my book. Damerion I just went through Damerion's filter. His early posting is fine, he voted for Shock but gave reason for it. But then he posted this not too long ago On November 03 2017 03:44 Damerion wrote: Hello, I just woke up from my shift. As such I obviously have a lot of catching uo to do. I have been trying to keep up with the thread right now and I am in the neighborhood of scum being in these five people. Shockey/RuxXar/Ticktock/Zen The fifth person I do not want to say quite yet as I do not want the gane to develop into a war if I am wrong. But I feel like at least two mafia are in this group listed. And as I filter dive I will place my vote on Shockey as a place holder. He gives 4 people as mafia, but with no reasoning for any of them before he is asked to do so, and then only does so for two of the 4. He also hides one of the names for fear of "developing a war". I feel this is more a scum thing to do, since scum are more afraid to get attention to themselves and want to just quietly slip under the radar. I also want to bring into attention this post he made: On November 03 2017 04:34 Damerion wrote: In the moat concise way possible, Very little interaction between either of them. Zen made a rather large post that has enabled him to hide in the aether. Both are very sideline characters not involved in the lynch, and really there posts are mostly surface level things that come from skimming the thread. Overall I would say tt is a 6/10 read and zen is slightly stronger at 7/10. Shockeyy filter is mafia oriented still I believe. The bolded part is exactly what Damdred said a few hours earlier. He basically just copied what he said and passed it off as his own thought. This is very scummy thing to do, and he is scum-lean for me. I still think both Darth and Shock are more scum than him, but he's number 3 on my list. Oatsmaster Oatsmaster is right now the only one I read as town. He is aggressive and pushes his lynches relentlessly, both qualities that I believe make you town. But I feel like he's tunneling rux a bit hard and his reason for it are not that strong. He has a lot of post, but from what I understand he says Rux lies about saying shock was town early in the game, and now he is still going for him because of it. I looked at that Rux post and it's kind of a strech to say that he lied. He said ticktock reads the game same as him, but then calls shock town while ticktock called him mafia. This isn't really lying in my book. Darth is still my number one in scumlist so I'm gonna keep my vote on him. | ||
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Also, could you not post all the time when most of it is stuff you are repeating? It drowns out the things you really want to say when you have a sea of posts where most of them don't really say anything. | ||
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On November 03 2017 06:49 Damdred wrote: Is darth even a real candidate at this point? Whats your take on the other wagons zen? Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch. I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good. | ||
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On November 03 2017 06:56 The_Zen_Man wrote: Oh, just went through voting thread and yeah you're right he only has 1 vote. I'm gonna swtich my vote to Shock since he is my 2nd on scum list and atleast has a chance of being the lynch. I explained about Rux a little in my big post, but basically I don't think that wagon is good. On the ticktock wagon, I liked his posts in the beginning but he hasn't really pushed anyone hard or taken a hard stance since his string of posts. I like that wagon better than rux atleast. | ||
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On November 03 2017 22:27 Conversion wrote: so at least we know Damdred is confirmed town, or are we putting tinfoil hats on and saying anyone on the TT train could be mafia that bussed him? I don't think so. TT lynch was an accident basically, so can't have been a bus. At the very least I dont think they intended to bus him, since he was GF mafia. We can probably assume that those 3 that voted for TT (Damdred, Ruxxar and Damerion) are town. | ||
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On November 04 2017 05:28 Damerion wrote: And? Damdred was the person I was least sure of in the context of the game, however no person can say when he is town he is not good at finding scum. And when he is sure and demanding you should follow him. As for the hypocritcal portion of my arhuments I believe I have said just such in my filter but that does not change the fact that I had the read and aheeped Ddred who had a similar read. As for the Zen read I still believe I am correct. And as for the meta point about big posts, that is a disengenous argument, especially since you used the exact oppositw argumebt last game that i only ised ahirt blurbs to try to get people lynched in the previous game. Honestly, your arguments for me seem strangely stupid. Your best argument for me before the lynch was that I wrote big post. Now, according to Holyflare you yourself usually write big posts so that makes your criticism of me even stranger. Your argument was exactly like Damdred but you tried to pass it off as your own. And how is writing a big post bad here? It's much better than writing little text on a lot of posts. But the weirdest part of your criticism of me is that you think I'm mafia for last night's voting, which I still don't understand. According to you I tried to both bus and save TT at the same time, though I'm not sure how that is even possible. If you want proof that it was a mistake just look at my post shortly before D1 lynch, I clearly stated I was gonna vote for Shock. | ||
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On November 04 2017 06:00 ruXxar wrote: How do you vote by mistake? I don't understand how you managed to vote for tick tock if you wanted to lynch shockey. Was lazy so I copied someone elses vote and planned to just change the name. But somehow completely forgot to change the name. Noticed it like right before deadline and tried to change it to Shockey who I wanted to vote for. | ||
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On November 04 2017 09:17 ruXxar wrote: Sooo, apparently zen thought conversion trying to save tick tock was important enough to put in all caps. Where is the follow up though? Next post of his he's chatting with conversion as if it didn't mean anything. After that he moves onto a completely different topic talking about damerion. Are you just intentionally ignoring posts to fit your view now? Conversion answered when I posted that to him. | ||
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On November 04 2017 20:28 ruXxar wrote: Looked more to me like you mis-voted and then were scrambling at the last second to vote for shockey to save your team mate. See, here's why I don't like you: 1) Here you say that you're going to switch to shockey, because he "has a chance of being the lynch". Fair enough. Next thing you go into the vote thread and vote tick tock by accident. 2) Now back in the thread, you say that you prefer a Tick tock lynch over a Ruxxar lynch. Now back in the vote thread the vote looks like this with 1 minute to go: You unvoting tick tock and then voting shockey at this point is really scummy because you are going against both of the points you made earlier: 1) You wanted to vote shockey because he had a chance to get lynched. Well at the point you tried to unvote tick tock there was NO chance of shockey getting lynched. 2) You liked the Tick tock lynch better than the Ruxxar lynch. By attempting to unvote Tick tock, you were effectively setting up the hammer for my lynch by making it 4-3 in favor of me. Again the same, trying to fit your view by ignoring reality of what happened. I clearly said I wanted to vote shock, and then I tried to switch when I realised my mistake. Anyone should be able to realise that the voteswitch wasn't alignment indictive at all yet you using it as an argument is really strange. My vote was on Shockey from the beginning, that was what I meant to do and that was what I wanted my vote on. Yeah, I preferred TT wagon over you, but I preferred Shock over both of you, something I said several times. At this point it seems you are just ignoring the truth and cherry picking to fit your view. | ||
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On November 04 2017 21:27 ruXxar wrote: What was the point in voting for shockey at the last minute when: 1) He wasnt going to get lynched 2) You would let me get lynched over your preferred tick tock lynch Because he was who I wanted to vote for in my original vote. And when I was gonna vote for him he was actually a possible lynch. What aren't you getting about this? My vote was never on TT, it was always on Shockey which is why I tried to correct my mistake. I wasn't thinking about "Changing this vote will get Ruxxar killed" but "I accidently voted for TT and not Shock like I wanted to, let's change it to what I wanted". | ||
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On November 04 2017 22:12 Conversion wrote: idk the more I look at it, the weirder your vote progression gets. 5:45 DF was your top scum read. 5:56 You realize he can't get lynched, so you "switch" onto Shock (actually switched onto TicTock) 5:59 you state this: But then you try to get off the TicTock wagon on to rux, even though you stated yourself that you like TT > rux for D1 lynch. Why would you jump off it at the last second when Shock wasn't getting lynched, and you preferred a TT lynch? Why did your logic suddenly change from "DF only has one vote, so he can't get lynched. I'm gonna hop off to someone" to "I'm switching to Shock even though I don't really see him getting lynched with less than 30 seconds left to lynch" At the time of my original vote (22:58 swedish time) it would have been split between Shock, TT and Ruxx so it was still a viable lynch. Since Ruxx was set to be lynched I figured he would want to maybe save himself and Vote Shock. After I made my accidental vote I went back to the thread and made that post, then back to vote thread and wanted to double check voting. That's when I saw my own post and just hurried to change it to what I wanted before. I didn't even see TT vote since I didn't refresh, just wanted to change my vote as fast as humanly possible. | ||
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On November 05 2017 04:20 Conversion wrote: because he tried to swap out of the wagon, failed, and now is saying he didn't mean to lynch mafia ?? why would he even say that as town, and then try to defend his position on swapping off TT wagon. I would have just parked the vote on TT as town and gone "lol mafia lynch I'm good" Wouldn't taking credit for it as mafia make more sense? I wanted to be honest about what happened so I told everyone how it was. A better question is why would I not take credit for it as mafia? Could it be that maybe I'm not mafia? | ||
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