[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia - Page 9

On August 17 2017 11:03 geript wrote:

Hopeless + TW can be a team; it was brought up last game, but it's far harder to "vote wrong" as scum. It's especially so when you're already under pressure. I think TW + Cop makes way more sense personally, but without actually diving filters specifically looking for possible connections I don't particularly care.

On August 17 2017 05:33 rsoultin wrote:

Day 1 Elimination Final Vote Count

raynpelikoneet (2): Conversion, Jealous, raynpelikoneet, Tumblewood, Hopeless1der
Fecalfeast (5): geript, Holyflare, Conversion, Eversince, Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der (5): Fecalfeast, Damdred, CopCake, Rels, Tumblewood

Not Voting (1): ritoky

In Fecalfeast was eliminated from the competition.

On August 17 2017 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

If you need an explanation for why TW is scum, no amount of mspaint is going to help you.

On August 17 2017 11:51 Hopeless1der wrote:

plurality vote mechanics. whoever reaches the highest number first is lynched. Which is weird because TW unvoted, then I moved my vote to Fefe to save myself, then TW voted for me.

On August 17 2017 11:52 geript wrote:

You're far from a terrible lynch. IDK if you're scum with TW; I think you can just be fucking terrible. Your filter is a hot fucking mess. You react to any time you and TW get brought up, you make it look like at various points you think he's scum or could be but end up with a lame townread on him. That's only from your filter. It doesn't even go into his need to explain the Copcake supertown read on you in full based on super shitty shit.

On August 17 2017 11:56 geript wrote:
But go on Copcake, please talk about how Town!TW can read 12 pages of filter in 3 minutes and come to the fact that FF must be Town and he only has 1 post of Hopeless he likes. I'll wait.

On August 17 2017 12:04 geript wrote:




Like, you want to show off how much you two can "never be together" and how you've "come to blows;" blah blah blah. It's like watching two young gay guys in the south secretly be in love with each other but you have to keep up the "straight" appearances.

On August 17 2017 12:13 geript wrote:

How does Fecalfeast having "so little pages" have anything to do with this. Look at the quotes. Here... I'll link them:
TW not remembering FF's posts but thinking he was town

TW finishing both FF's and Hopeless' filters

TW posting a shitty reads post that includes secret hearthrob Copcake at the top that he made a huge amazing shitty townread on unlike anything else he's posted in the game but is obviously in no way whatsoever is connected to

The mods telling use to shut our traps for end of day[/url

It's not at all at the start of day; in fact it's right at the end of it. He magically forgets his reasons for FF but in 3 minutes can read 12 pages of filter and call hopeless scum. You're even fucking defending this shit and you're "so obviously not connected to him."

On August 17 2017 12:27 Jealous wrote:
Nevermind, paint got too complicated once I realized all of the contingencies and the limitations of TL's textbox. Let's look at it from the judge's perspective.



1. T+V. Let's assume this as the baseline, as this is what I imagine the judges would hypothetically be going for.

It would only make sense for T+V to claim in this scenario. The vig shot could almost never be used as a bargaining chip to appeal when up for lynch, because that would indicate that the judges had chosen someone to give it to then changed their minds about whether that person is townie or not and put them in the lynch pile. Wouldn't make sense.

2. S+V This is the worst-case scenario, the one that I overlooked in the previous analysis.

If S+V claims, then that would just be a bad/dumb move. It would be much more effective to save it and use it if suspicion ever DID fall on them from the judges and they thought they were going to lose the lynch vote, or if the game gets to the point where the judges are no longer present.

3. T-V. This would mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V.

This would only make sense if he was trying to put all the attention on himself, so that the judges could give the shot to someone else who would be under less scrutiny. This would also likely force scum to use a RB on him, as he currently has vest and with the shot in tow, it is a bad position for scum. However, I think that this is still not a very good play, as it would assume that the judges don't scumread him for the move, and it would assume that when the vig shot is actually given out there is likely to be a legitimacy argument which would be counter-productive. I don't think this possibility makes much sense. If the judges did scumread him for the move it would look like this:

4. S-V This would also mean that HF is intentionally misleading everyone in the game, EXCEPT the judges who already know that he doesn't have the V, and of course excluding his scummates.

This wouldn't make much sense to do because then the judges could just indicate that it is false by not including HF in the "Top 3" vote in the next cycle, effectively showing that "we don't care if this guy gets a vest or not because he is lying." That will show to everyone to stop listening to HF, and then he will be in the lynch pile the next cycle.



In short, I don't find any situation in which it makes sense for scum HF to claim; I also think that the move for town HF to claim without actually having it would be too much of a gamble. QED, HF is town and has the shot.

It was pretty hard for me to explain myself throughout all of this. If you disagree with my conclusions, please share your counterarguments because I could easily have just confused myself while thinking of the possibilities and interactions.

On August 17 2017 12:23 geript wrote:

Bull shit read the fucking posts.


This is clearly and obviously him representing that he's read both filters. Hell just opening reading FF's filter which was like 3 pages would take 3 minutes. You can't tell me he's not flat out lying about what he's doing and done. You can't flat out say that he thinks both are town when he fucking says 2/3rds of mafia are in a group of Hopeless +4. That's why he needs to be lynched.

On August 17 2017 12:46 Damdred wrote:
@cake can you take me through your thought process on voting hopeless?

On August 17 2017 12:46 geript wrote:

The post he quoted from hopeless is this one. It's on the third page of Hopeless filter. So at least, we're talking about him reading 6 pages of filter in 3 minutes. Even just skimming, that's super fast. But he has like all the FF posts as super town. Just reading/skimming I'm super fast. I finished most GoT books in about 4-6 hours. I can enjoy a thread super quick. But just opening two filters and hitting all is a good 30 seconds gone. There's not time for him to have done what he's said he's done. Even if FF's filter took 2 minutes, TW doesn't even have time to reach that quote in Hopeless filter. He's just pulling out a random quote (one which I've pointed out at least twice BTW) and calling it towny.

On August 17 2017 12:47 geript wrote:

You fucking called him town. You fucking "cleared him"

I'm done. Lynch TW, lynch Rels, lynch Cop. GG

On August 17 2017 12:50 Jealous wrote:

Did you just quote yourself and QFT? Lol. There's a first for everything xD Not a dig on you or anything, just thought it was humorous.

I don't see how it is irrelevant. Can you explain how that could be the case?

@H1: I know that the judges don't know the alignments. The division was to explain why it would be stupid for HF to claim vig as either alignment -v.

@CopCake: That's an interesting point, I didn't consider that. It's certainly possible if there was a perfect storm situation, where a townie is being heavily scumread by the town and not the judges and thus the vig shot would be justified somehow. It would still take quite a bit of finesse and I could still see people upset over it regardless of how its handled.