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On August 15 2017 23:14 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 22:42 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2017 21:34 Conversion wrote:On August 15 2017 16:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Conversion i am curious; why did you decide to "call me out" for making a read based on only couple of posts, and not anyone else who have done the same thing?
bc the only people who gave lists so far that I bothered paying attention to are you and hopeless that's all What was the list Hopeless gave? Why weren't you interested in let's say Cake's read on me that i am mafia based on 2 posts? On August 15 2017 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
welp lets get things off to a terrible start:
rayn - Townish
ritoky - null
geript - townish
damdred - scummish
tumblewood - scum
fecalfeast - scummish
conversion scummish
onegu - lurker
rels - lurker
hopeless - uhh..town? hopeless caught my eye bc he was spamming the thread and I didn't like his posts copcake's posts were irrelevant to me b/c I reserved the right to not make any judgment on you until you actually played the game I see what rayn is saying btw. Rayn calls out 2 post hopeless. Conversion calls out rayn on this point. Rayn asks why he didn't call anyone else out. Conversion says because he's only read two list posts and links hopeless one. Rayn says some nonsense about how conversion is scum because hopeless' post hadn't happened yet. Thing is it did happen. How did rayn have a read on me from literally 1 post though.
newsflash, i didn't say i have a read on you.
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I thought you were possibly mafia because how you started the game was a random offhand "dickish/sarcastic" comment. Just like here. I wanted to see if you kept up without saying anything, just as i remember (in case you're mafia), OR if you actually start doing something. Like this:
On August 12 2015 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:here rsoultin: Show nested quote +On August 12 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 12 2015 01:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
Man rayn never likes me. Look man if you are town you need to try to get your reads out no matter how good/bad they are, because that's what you do as town. If people (like i do) scumread you for it then they do, who cares.
If you are scum please feel free to continue acting like you don't give any fucks and just hide behind smartass questions which is what you do as mafia.I have actually never tried to meta you (because i usually don't remember what you have posted the game before when the next game begins) until now, 15mins ago.
This is something i remember, and your posting AFTER your first post totally goes in line with the opposite behavior than this is makes you town. You also have like 5 page filter in this game which i don't think you would as mafia. If you're mafia i congratulate you for totally breaking your meta, but i don't think that's the case, especially since i think people who were under fire early on are not mafia.
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On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".
That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.
It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement.
I'll be honest, i was already annoyed by your ritoky bullshit (towards me). Here is another thing i am honest with, even if i was mafia in this game, i would say this: i will always call out your dumb reads like ritoky here and Koshi two games or so before, as town. You often go super fucking wrong on D1 because you seemingly try to annoy people (and because i am usually one of the targets i fucking hate it). Even your case on rsoultin (and Koshi) last game i didn't believe in mostly because i couldn't tell if you actually believe in them or not. That's why (I understand this is partly my fault) i am a stubborn idiot and when you do this, i will do the same and act like i have towards you in this game. Because i hate it, and i don't think it is good play.
I don't like you telling me "everything you answer says mafia" and then demanding answers. I just won't play that game. And i think it makes you mafia, because i think you also know that i won't play that game and it gives you more ammo.
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On August 15 2017 23:34 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I know it's bad.
But if the lynch isn't something like onegu/rels/rayn I'll be a bit annoyed at the judges.
I think besides those three and hopeless (rekt) I have a pretty sturdy reason to read people town. Maybe tw has fallen do me though, probably, maybe.
you can be fucking mafia too.
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On August 15 2017 23:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".
That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.
It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here.
I don't understand this, can you go more into detail?
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On August 15 2017 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:37 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".
That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.
It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here. I don't understand this, can you go more into detail?
You mean he made the same kind of case (or reasoning) you did here?
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On August 15 2017 23:45 CopCake wrote:
Like if I was scum I would have tried to get him lynched and be like "lol mistake he was inactive that is not town rayn"
Like no, you couldnt. Lynch pile.
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On August 15 2017 23:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
Rayn if you dont start playing like you, I'm going to shoot you. Note that the most recent time I announce my target is the one that I will follow through with when I get my gun.
idk what you're saying here. but i don't really care.
Cake is mafia.
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And you are the only person who knows i was actually in a party 400km away whole weekend and i had to travel back on sunday and on monday i slept from 5pm until today 5:30am. and you are trying to say you would use that against me (inactivity) in case you were mafia when it is over a day to lynch.
You never couldnt, because tuesday or wednesday is not monday or sunday.
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On August 15 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:42 CopCake wrote:On August 15 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote:
Copcake rayn has come back and Don things.
Read on him now? Town. Rayn would have pushed on the weakest/scummiest town if he was mafia. That's about 0% true. He called me mafia and pushed me as mafia in his last mafia game.
i did? :O
i dont even remember that.
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Wait it doesn't make any sense.
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On August 16 2017 00:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:58 CopCake wrote:On August 15 2017 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And you are the only person who knows i was actually in a party 400km away whole weekend and i had to travel back on sunday and on monday i slept from 5pm until today 5:30am. and you are trying to say you would use that against me (inactivity) in case you were mafia when it is over a day to lynch.
You never couldnt, because tuesday or wednesday is not monday or sunday. And I asked people not give you time because I knew that? Because I didnt want a misslynch? Even if people said I was mafia for deffending I went and said GIVE RAYN time because I know how valuable you are as town and I dont want a misslynch. You phrased it in such a way that we were supposed to KNOW he was afk. How the everloving fuck could we have known that? I dont know rayn IRL. I wish I did, I'm sure hes a cool guy, but I dont...so when he isnt in thread and I expect that from him, its going to affect my read.
I am not sure why she would make such a contradiction as mafia.
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On August 16 2017 00:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 15 2017 23:37 Holyflare wrote:On August 15 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
You could have said "why does me reading copcake null have anything to do with Tumblewood?" or "the way he was discussing it looked like he should come to a conclusion but he didn't".
That's like 8 words to dispel everything and you instead spent about 1000 on a waste of time case on me, making yourself annoyed(?) with me and afking? Telling me I'm twisting words.
It was pretty simple and you dragged it down. Last game you quite easily answered questions like that. I remember actually you had the exact same argument with someone last game where we were both town and you made that simple statement. Actually yes. Skynx made a case on you in generic 3 for these exact same reasons. He was town, you called him town even though you didn't agree with the logic. I agreed with skynx in that game too and you just shrugged it off. Completely out of character with your behaviour here. I don't understand this, can you go more into detail? You made a post where you scum read/bad read X (tw in this game) because he thought Y after a push. You also thought Y or something. Skynx cased you and you just said the same spiel about it's the thought process and explained it away. Then you said skynx is town for that case even if you didn't believe it. I don't remember the details so much and maybe it's different a bit but this looks exactly the same and your reaction to me is totally different. You also know I exaggerate scum reads early in the game to get people to talk. Ritoky being a weak one to push for discussion. So why flip out about it? It doesn't make any sense to me when you can simply explain something away. I asked you a simple question about a read and you ignored me and then when I tried to get more information from you over an inconsistency it's twisting yoir words fuck you bye. I just want to play mafia. You don't need to be a bitch because you don't like to play mafia. I don't think you're whiney so I think you're mafia. You're more reasonable now and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense because you're more reasonable to me after casing me as mafia?????
I dont remember what exactly i posted about Skynx last game. From what i remember he even said he hadn't read the whole thread (which could have cleared out like 80% of his case), and i was like "yeah no fucking mafia does this because i am gonna kill it and murder him". That's what i thought back then. I am not sure what you mean "out of character with your behaviour here". I really don't.
Telling you why me thinking Tumblewood is mafia at the time (if this is what you talk about) doesn't mean anything. Because it's a completely different thing. In this game i don't care if people case me in the first 24 hours. I couldn't care less, and also i didn't have time to play properly. If you want some real meta, go look at any game i have played with limited time. Just saying "he did this as mafia" is really bs man, because i don't only do that as mafia, and i dont EVEN do that as mafia when i have time to play. It is just simply how i play when i don't have enough time.
I flipped about your ritoky read because i wanted you to not do the same mistakes you have done earlier. Or i didn't even flip about that, i told you i don't think he is mafia, because i thought he is town at that point. Instead of asking me why, or in any way trying to cooperate with me you basically called me out for my read and threw a jab at me (yes, the first post about it was JUST that). I remember you being nice last game, i remember myself getting super pissed off at you when you were scum last time, while basically you say "the same kind of things" when you were scum it felt so fucking annoying and this is how i have felt this game (once again sorry for the drunk insults btw  ).
But like yeah, that's not really something you can explain to someone. I think all of the points i pointed on you are right (except for the ritoky one you pointed out, that i misread), obviously i am not 100% sure if it makes you mafia, but i think it does. Because whenever you make me feel like i can't have any answer that pleases you i associate it with mafia, i know i do it myself as scum, and idk why you wouldn't. I am not sure what i am even saying here, i don't tend tend to add "feels" in my reads because i think it's shit. But that's how i feel anyways.
If you are town can we talk about something that is not me or you? I dont think were getting anywhere here and you can always just lynch me and people will probably agree and i've already told i don't care.
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On August 16 2017 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
I was a strong town read. I got shot n1. Rayn pushed me. Your meta is flawed.
can you show me how i did that?
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On August 16 2017 00:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2017 16:56 Holyflare wrote:On August 14 2017 16:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare i dont think ritoky is mafia. Why do I care about an unqualified statement though? He did nothing and then purports that it's a bad read like it's untrue that he did nothing. Also irrationally angry that he's a clock. May or may not be a big part of it. I asked. You said nothing. You then were stubborn for 24 hours and then your post came insulting me. I compared it to games you didn't have time in. Like the one where I was mafia. It's in my filter and in this thread. I looked back and it's wildly different. Hence my continued push.
No, you didn't do that.
You asked me "why do i care" and when i told you why i think ritoky is not mafia you basically told me why you dont care.
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On August 16 2017 00:31 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).
Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.
Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.
I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet. Above is post 1 of many from the game you were mafia. Show nested quote +
Somehow Holyflare paints it all black and white, and that's why he is twisting my words, and that's what makes him mafia. He completely ignores the fact that people are different and just comes up with a narrative where "you made the same conclusion so you should think X", he completely dismisses the fact that if someone comes to a same conclusion than you do, it doesn't automatically mean they are town, because the reasoning and the train of thought is what matters.
That's why i hate playing with mafia!Holyflare, it makes me super annoyed to argue pages and pages about this kind of simple shit and like half of the players actually buy that crap, even fucking townread the guy for it. Apparently i need someone like Palmar who actually READS the posts people make and not just look at the posts and think "well he posts a lot and on surface level that looks good". Yes i am looking at all of you, and i won't bother defending myself against this kind of crap, just lynch me and then you can lynch Holyflare.
Let's compare to a portion of your post this game above. IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL.
Yes, i am not denying that. I am saying a bad read is what i would call a bad read regardless of my alignment. 
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Since you like quoting posts so much am i mafia here too:
On May 11 2017 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't wanna talk to you at all because every single thing i say you paint as "misrepresenting the argument". The only thing you do is throw jabs at me regardless of what i do. I've explained myself why i think there is nothing scummy in what Grackaroni has said and why darthfoley's "case" is shit as fuck. I can keep telling the same thing over and over again and you will end up doing the same thing you have done over and over again. So i'd rather just not care. You're not looking motivation behind posts and i think it makes you mafia. You're not actually interested in figuring out shit rather than just making blantant accusations that "look good" on things that aren't actually scummy, and i think it makes you mafia. Tumblewood kinda figured that out but unfortunately he dug only half-way through that. Oh and btw rn you're calling two townies mafia and those are your only mafia reads so if you're somehow town in this game good fucking job....
The thing is though that Grackaroni, Tumblewood, fuba, LightningStrike, Skynx and also probs Prison Break are town.
sicklucker is in sicklucker land so he is probably town too.
I am not sure about Damdred anymore but there is nothing i can really pinpoint to except for what i feel is apathy. But right now i am okay with where he is headed. So idk, he is still leaning town.
Maybe Palmar could be mafia, idk? I am not familiar with this kind of Palmar play so i really don't know, usually as scum he just fucks up really hard and i can't tell what this play from him is.
So i am left with:
Vivax - who feels uninterested and just "hey let's all be friends" instead of trying to find mafia
darthfoley - who made a super terrible read based on a thing that is not scummy at all and painted it scummy "because meta"
Holyflare - who i talked about already, you should know a lot of things you have said this game to not be true the slightest, basically you should know better that the things you call scummy are not scummy at all. I could probably even let that slide if it was only towards me since you -- like me -- tend to think certain people, if they call you mafia, are mafia. But it's not only towards me, you did the same thing regarding Grackaroni and Tumblewood, and that's basically all you have really talked about this game, so 3/3.
So yeah, i am not sure if i can be around before work any longer and i will have about 20-30mins after work before the deadline so that's my 2c for D1.
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On August 16 2017 00:39 Holyflare wrote:What does that make you?
What does it make me? Tell me, Holyflare. Since you are so into this meta shit, what does it make YOU?
Or are you going to say "rayn made this up before i did so"? huh... WHAT DOES IT MAKE YOU?
Tell me.
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Fuck... Tumblewood, are you mafia?
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