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On July 11 2017 20:33 ruXxar wrote: Is it a valid strategy to not read your role pm and just pretend you are town? (Don't shoot me for asking stupid questions pls ) Yes, then legit bus all your team mates for ez win | ||
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That's all I got so far | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:56 ruXxar wrote: Distracting town with off-topic discussion. I see you are pulling out the tricks early. What's off topic about scum hunting ? How's your raynometer feeling? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh this is interesting, where was i scumhunting? Ah I think I misunderstood, thought he was referring to hf's posts This context makes more sense tho | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:09 ruXxar wrote: Wait, wait wait. Your first sentence was referring to HF context post as if I was accusing HF of off topic discussion. BUT. You second sentence is referring to Rayn as if he was the suspect target. I'm getting conflicting messaging here. If hf is scum hunting Ryan I'm curious about your thoughts as well. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am conflicted, are you talking to me? Nope but we can talk if you want! | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:22 ruXxar wrote: My raynometer is based on totally different criterium. And I don't think HF has a foolproof case. But he's right that Rayn has a lot of filler posts so far. How you planning on reading rayn this game? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:25 Holyflare wrote: want to vomit blood trying to start scum hunting but struggles + rest of filter he just rolled scum so this "new strat" he's trying is mafia fatigue till he gets in the swing of it and feels like cases/playing again Hf being funny feels ok man | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can i ask you a counter queastion? What if i answered i think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia? "No way, mind meld," would be my thought | ||
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Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:53 ruXxar wrote: EC, who's your top town and top scum right now. You're spinning out of control for me. I need you on solid ground. Don't really have any tops right now. Did feel ok about you, now it's a bit more mixed. Trying to figure out if it is a buddy attempt with your posts toward me. Also here it feels like you're setting up a scum read that I'm not sure I like. Slight town leans to hf rayn, curious on geript, otherwise null so far | ||
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This reads like a tient response to me. Tumble what did you mean re: associative reads regarding me? Sleeping on it, Rayn is in a bit of a weird spot for me atm. Don't really follow the logic of the dropped "case" since I never really felt there was a case in the first place (another thing that bothered me a bit). Just not 100% convinced that town thinks rux is scum for that. I did like rayn's post about his thoughts so far (the one in spoilers, on mobile otherwise would link), reflects the thought process I have a lot of the time. Other things: damdred uninspiring from what I recall reading. His hard defense of a one post person is odd. Feel ok about geript for now, looks open with thoughts. Rux I'm fine with where he's going right now. | ||
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rayn did you get anything from this re: damdred? | ||
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Damdy looks ok. Only thing that pings me is that his interaction with rayn read as super awkward. | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:18 rsoultin wrote: -bounces- can we lynch an ec? or a va, but that's just cuz fuuuun...of course it would be more fun if he got to mope first, so ec also -flings hearts at everyone, especially an hf!- damdy gets a day pass for ruxxy...i'm actually kinda flattered he thinks so highly of me lol >< i think geript may get a day pass too just for telling joni to stop lynching for dumbass ^^ we'll go with a wait and see on tw for #reasons Why me or va? | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:34 rsoultin wrote: it's a beetlejuice! hi beetlejuice ^^ what's awkward about his interaction with rayn? Even answering the question in the first place, then giving his interpretation, then the "lol my bad" part. I just got this impression he spent a lot of time / thought for a strange thing. | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:41 rsoultin wrote: -squints at- uhhhh i just remember the quintessential joni you keep lynching people for dumb instead of scum arguments? Huh? | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:43 rsoultin wrote: [/B]ooooh this...but that wasn't what pinged you about them before lol >< Oh yeah I meant the whole question and response thing. | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:44 rsoultin wrote: rayn is joni, this ruxxar/joni thing is like a dance they always dance ^^ also, i owe you an answer i suppose...it's like the most epic reason ever waaaait for iiiiitttt wwaaaaaiiittt for iiiiiittt >> << feels \o/ Any feels in particular? | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:47 rsoultin wrote: [/B]actually that may be like the best reason not to lynch joni i've seen so far ^^ why does that 'ping' you? Oh god this b tag. For the reasons I said earlier re damdy. | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:52 rsoultin wrote: [/B]-squints at again- sooooo like i thought to myself, rsoul, maybe you were just too damn sleepy when you read the thread, but re-looking at your filter i'm still not sure what you're talking about lol >< I just thought that the whole question thing was an awkward interaction. | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:54 rsoultin wrote: to be more specific, i see a waffleface on rayn a why is damdy hard-defending tina's one post of awesome - oops he was saying lynch her for that and a prod that to me seemed more aimed at joni than damdy? so what am i missing here? Not really waffle on rayn, and has nothing to do with this. More I don't 100% believe his reason for scum reading rux at the moment. To you waffle = scum? | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:57 rsoultin wrote: 1. his ruxxar read is what i was thinking ^^ 2. it strokes my ego to think that damdy thinks i'm so awesome i should be interesting while sleeping before the game has even really started lol >< if he's scum then it's not reeeeeaaaal #2 is totes good enough a reason for a d1 pass. #1 is clearly not it. nope. Mmm ok, to be clear you have a town lean on rux? | ||
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On July 13 2017 15:39 emperorchampion wrote: Even answering the question in the first place, then giving his interpretation, then the "lol my bad" part. I just got this impression he spent a lot of time / thought for a strange thing. Here's the post | ||
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On July 13 2017 16:07 rsoultin wrote: ^ well, and this and feels, on trial remember? It's not aimed at rayn so just feels then | ||
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On July 13 2017 16:10 rsoultin wrote: oh lol that didn't even register as a reason to me lol >< so by 'awkward interaction' you actually meant even answering the question in the first place? why is that more 'scummy' than joni asking the question in the first place? Well I'm waiting on response from rayn re that lol | ||
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On July 13 2017 16:23 rsoultin wrote: noooot an aaaaannnswer and you scumreading damdy when making points that should scumread joni is not what i'd call 'just feels' -snorts- Sigh... truly last post now. I'm not scum reading damdy, never said anywhere I was. Actually I said he looks ok. rayn question can be ok if it had some purpose to it, and if it gives him some info. For you, I'm not sure why your trying to misconstrue what I said. There's definitely mafia motivation there, so not looking good to me. | ||
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With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post. I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight. | ||
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did anyone point out how ruxxar didn't like damdred for being cold, but like this post where tumble says damdy has good tone? On July 14 2017 03:46 ruXxar wrote: If I wanted to call you scum I would. Right now I'm occupied with koshI. I don't really like how ruxxar is still planted on koshi since early game, even back then when koshi said he was doing different stuff. Seems like a bit of a cop out to me to not really push something. ruxxar some scum points for these posts. I'm OK with these posts from tumble and sl: On July 14 2017 04:24 Tumblewood wrote: you're not getting anything more descriptive because that's as far as it goes On July 14 2017 04:35 sicklucker wrote: man me and ruxxar came to every same conclusion last game right or wrong. Now everyone I think is mafia he thinks is town and vice versa. kill with fire On July 14 2017 04:43 sicklucker wrote: also if im a vig i am shooting va ! ;p skynx I'll look more into on the bus ride home. It was him I think that pointed out about va's reaction to rayn's posts, this I liked. So here's where I'm at right now town: rayn damdred somewhere between: koshi sicklucker Tumblewood geript Holyflare Skynx could lynch: ruXxar VayneAuthority rsoultin Rels skynx I need to read more, but I think based on when I re-read the thread I probably don't want to lynch. | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:00 Koshi wrote: Yep yep. Been 4 months now or something. Pretty good. gratz! On July 14 2017 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw EC what metal music are you listening to? ruxxar can chime in here too because he is from like the third best of metal country in the world. don't really listen to metal anymore, just in high school haha | ||
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rsoul: really am fluffhead. gl with deadline. | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:20 ruXxar wrote: So because I disagree with a guy on one thing I can't call him town? No probably not. What particularly in tumbles post makes him so town? | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:25 ruXxar wrote: As opposed to last game where he was annoying as all hell but actually was town... Hah true dat | ||
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How much of your stance on koshi is wanting him to do stuff vs thinking he's scum? | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:50 ruXxar wrote: 100% scum until he shows me any reason to think otherwise. This, from what I saw from your filter, is entirely based on meta. Is this true? I'd have to read koshi filter but I don't recall anything that I thought was too scummy. | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:13 Holyflare wrote: First three are town reads Yeah ok it's fair. | ||
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I kinda had / have similar thoughts with rux regarding this "analytical" thing. I think it could be both skynx and geript as town. Plus points to rux for this, but I don't know why he's a bit more waffly on this. Maybe it's just the way people are trying to portray it right now, since I guess koshi is still number 1 for him. In summary: skynx, geript, ruxxar seem ok for now on the basis that to me they look like they're trying hard. This could come from either alignment, but I'd like to keep them for now. Only thing is Skynx recent outburst is a bit strange. I dunno why so mad. @skynx: is geript past the point of you could potentially think he's town? I think ruxxar had some questions for me that I probably didn't answer here, I'll hopefully get around to that before the deadline. I think my poe list is pretty much va and rels now? rsoul is ok for me for now, would be nice to see if there is any read progression on me from her. think my thing next is to re examine koshi, could easily be sleeping on him. For now gonna park my vote on va. | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote: Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things. Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him. Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least. Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly. I don't think I want to lynch va today. Rels is a good policy lynch though. And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this. tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town. | ||
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I think he means the "that's my mafia meta" post. Just thought of something, last game he roll played a gun slinger for entry post cause he was vig right? Is he roll playing scum cause scum in this game? | ||
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Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity. | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:11 ruXxar wrote: So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans? Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. | ||
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What do you mean? | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:23 ruXxar wrote: "Thinking about that now" You mean after I mentioned it?.. Nope before / while you mentioned it. | ||
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Oh yeah I got distracted, but what do you mean you could be town lol | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote: Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things. Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him. Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least. Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly. I don't think I want to lynch va today. Rels is a good policy lynch though. And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. Skynx ruxxar me all in thread and you don't care at all. This game is hard there's a lot to do, why haven't you tried to do any of it? OK, with regards to the other thing On July 15 2017 04:48 Damdred wrote: How is my read progression out of no where when I didn't have a previously stated opinion? And what have I said I'd do and not done? My filter went from being meh, to too clean---and this makes me scum for you how? Please explain this. Like your filter past page 2.5 fell off a cliff... | ||
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On July 15 2017 04:57 emperorchampion wrote: Skynx ruxxar me all in thread and you don't care at all. This game is hard there's a lot to do, why haven't you tried to do any of it? OK, with regards to the other thing My filter went from being meh, to too clean---and this makes me scum for you how? Please explain this. Like your filter past page 2.5 fell off a cliff... It's not even like you're lost. Boom 3 clear scum leans, in thread, and nothing. That's like as easy as it gets. Help me understand please. | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:23 Rels wrote: so you have OGI on VA. And that's why you mentionned VA in your first post, even though he didn't post yet ? Ah yeah nice catch, rsoul I thought you wanted to lynch va for something out of game. | ||
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Doesn't she say she doesn't want to lynch va in the most recent post, or am I bad at reading? | ||
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Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript | ||
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On July 15 2017 05:43 geript wrote: Really surprised EC hasn't commented on the claim. About the masons? | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:10 Tumblewood wrote: fuck i shoulda been here earlier Why does that change things? | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:13 Damdred wrote: What would that of accomplished? You were on the off wagon? Wooo town points for damdred :p | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:16 Tumblewood wrote: cause i planned to defend va if he was gonna get lynched. when i got on ithought i had an hour to do that and it was actually like 5 minutes. if you didn't notice i last-minute switched my vote to skynx I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves. I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:23 geript wrote: The worst looking votes on face value are EC/SL Help me understand why sl vote looks bad and not koshi or rels | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:29 geript wrote: Usually if that lynch was lead by Town which is my current impression there's almost always a scum in the 2-4 slots; I think HF is Town. His and Rayn reaction to the claim seem super off so I'm a little waffley. sl's reaction? | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is another blue and that doesnt make any dense if geript/ damdred are masons. Whys that? Like they can't both be that bad right? But I'm getting a little worried if we have enough mislynches to figure it out | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:43 geript wrote: That's highly doubtful. Like more 1ml is Lylo I think. That was kinda why I wanted to bait Rayn into voting with me. Do you think rayn can be scum? | ||
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On July 15 2017 06:53 Holyflare wrote: So can we lynch ruxxar now that va flipped town and he defended him forever based on nonsense? Ugh maybe yeah | ||
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On July 15 2017 07:00 Tumblewood wrote: ruxxar is 100% town and i stand by that Masons :D??? | ||
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Tumble and rux both town locking each other. @tumble can you explain more your rux read? | ||
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Damdy and geript masons Hf i think likely to be town If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read If tumble and rux are both town sl looks like town to me Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game Rels Skynx Koshi Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3 | ||
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Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul. | ||
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Rayns seemed more genuine but idk | ||
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On July 13 2017 19:23 Koshi wrote: Damdred tried to explain why geript is town and gave that read to the thread. =good stuff. Trying to convince somebody is town with reasoning that another person can understand is a townie treat. Him being extremely confident about it is also more likely town over mafia because mafia is afraid of showing TMI. Damdred is town. People who pretend to have a lot of reads but are not sharing them with the thread: rsoultin PS to rayn: he is talking about ruxxar Like this post is exactly wrong, maybe damdy can chime in more, but I assume there was some tmi in the read. Mafia motivation is to fit in, buddy rayn for same reads. | ||
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@Skynx: what do you think about the votes on you? | ||
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On July 15 2017 20:56 Holyflare wrote: At beer and cider festival today so rip damn super jelly | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:44 ruXxar wrote: Emperor are you a female? nope | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:41 ruXxar wrote: Koshi is lock scum. Rayn is lock town. Tumble is lock town. Everyone else are in a fleeting state of scum leans. I feel like I have very few solid town reads so far, and it's bothering me. what about damdy and geript? | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before the night ends i really want to know if Damdred's role pm says he is townfirmed masons with geript or not. Why do you assume otherwise? | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Skynx is not mafia. Noone will never ever come into the game as mafia making a case on someone and at the same time being completely aware they haven't even read the half of what the said dude said. Never. meh, I dunno it's not a strong argument. skynx needs to do something. | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: no. people can do all kinds of shit as mafia. people do not come into the thread and actually put effort into building a post where the content is something they KNOW is bs. there is just no way mafia does that. By definition every case that a mafia makes is bs, so there has to be holes in it. I'm not convinced that skynx's were outside of the realm of something that mafia could do. | ||
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This masons thing is good for town tho I think right now, I feel good on a lot of people | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: you realize that me being the target has nothing to do with if he believes in it or not? OMGUS is your enemy in a mafia game. i don't think people wrongfully accusing me in itself make them mafia, and noone should. Yeah I'll reconsider on this. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:13 ruXxar wrote: Damdred is a hard read. I feel like every time he says something it's very restrained. Gives a sort of xata mafia vibe, but that is just superficial stuff. I don't have anything solid on him. Geript on the other hand, I kinda want to die regardless of his alignment. I don't think skynx and geript are mafia together, and I regrettably have to admit that as much as I dislike geript and that he is a proven liar, I don't have any solid reason to call him lock scum. I'll have to do some filtering of both of those to see if there's some long running agenda I might've missed. that will have to wait though, I'm on the move-Ish right now. So you don't believe the mason claim. Is there any reason why not? | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: the dude is insane. he even believed sicklucker's cop claim last game when he said he has a check N0 (there's never a role that can chack people on N0 in TL Mafia). But this is probably him just being mafia trying to imitate his insane shit since every single piece of logic tells those two guys are actually masons. If they are lying they just outed 2 people of their mafia team to try to either lynch their scumbuddy Skynx or try to save town!VA to try to lynch town!Skynx, and neither makes zero sense at all. What do you think of the 100% town lock between rux and tumble? Seems super weird for both alignments to me. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:02 ruXxar wrote: Why should I believe it? I don't see any reason to. Then do you see any reason for them to claim masons as town? | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:06 ruXxar wrote: Your dialogue is free flowing and unfiltered. You're not guarding your thoughts or being careful in what you say. I don't know how better to put it, but in my heart I strongly believe you are town. Cool but if that's the only reason I must have failed in some way this game. Or I'm on completely the wrong track... | ||
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For rsoul, sorry that you felt pressured to leave the game . Hope all is well. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:20 ruXxar wrote: I like this question a lot. Forced me to think real hard. You get extra town credit for that. To answer your question, no, I can't think of any good reasons besides them being really good friends that want to keep each other alive. So are they more mafia because of it, or less? Cause it's like a pretty big thing that I don't think you mentioned at all. And you're individually scum reading both of them. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:34 ruXxar wrote: I have such a negative view on both of them that I can't bear myself to call them town for it, even if that is supposedly the objectively correct play. Might just be my personal bias in wanting them to be scum, but for now it's all just a muddy mess surrounding them. Like my intuition is telling me that they both look real shady, and then having to accept that they are town would just fly right in my face of reading the game. I don't think my ego can handle it. meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising. | ||
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I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:46 ruXxar wrote: So your read changed by the fact that you now think I am more scummy? This, and I think skynx had an OK way of getting back into the thread. Also tumble maybe not as good as I thought. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi. I don't see why they cant be mafia together. Yeah I think it's mutual though. They've both ignored each other as far as I recall. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:12 Skynx wrote: Why you voted VA then??? This is your opinion on me after like stating 2-3 times you need to read me. You give me a pass based on the reason that I'm trying. But earlier there is this: Implying VA townlean, Skynx scumlean. Later on you just keep repeating "Koshi/Skynx is a good place to look at", like 5 times, no exageration. What do you mean by a good place to look at? Does this imply a scumlean? No one is gona follow that if you don't point out why we're scum. You also mention getting cold feet on VA lynch. I just can't find any reason to justify you staying on VA. Why did you vote VA? What were your reasons for scumreading (or implying so) me and Koshi? Why didn't you do anything about it when you had scumleans? Mmm I think I was more quickly checking in when I read both your case and VA's response to it. For starting my vote on VA I largely sheeped rayn and other's read on the situation. Then it turned into VA never defending him self, so I didn't really have any reason for moving off. I got a bit cold feet because it started looking 50/50 ish, until he started posting baby seals. Then I felt good about it till after the flip lol. Koshi can be scum for a number of reasons, that my self and others have largely stated in thread since the start of night. For koshi it's definitely developing into a scum read. For you, we'll see. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: noone in this game is ever going to be "helping you lynching koshi" since if he flips mafia you deserve as much credit for it as my shoe does. rofl | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:27 Skynx wrote: I agree on Koshi but I'm the counter wagon to VA. If you're pushing the idea of I'm scum in the thread but not putting any effort into pushing me and vote on the other wagon thats just suspicious. Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. Did you scumread me or not? I don't completely remember if I scum read you or not, definitely a lean. Less than VA given my vote lol. You definitely seemed a lot more scummy to me after the results of the flip at first due to the vote distribution. I was re evaluating things and came to this last night: On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote: Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others. Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul. Why do you say this part: Like literally, you switch and I'm dead. But that doesn't happen. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:34 Skynx wrote: Please do it today, in case you die. Votes for VA, townreads me. Rest is just pushing the idea of I could be scum but thats it + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. On July 15 2017 05:42 emperorchampion wrote: Meh koshi is not great, if va did something to do defend I could move. Sad, but not sad at all if he's mafia. Good places to look: koshi damdred skynx/rux/geript On July 15 2017 06:23 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno can't defend someone who doesn't care to defend themselves. I dunno I think skynx koshi is a good place to look, skynx not the worst counter wagon On July 15 2017 07:06 emperorchampion wrote: Hf what do you think about skynx scum? On July 15 2017 07:27 emperorchampion wrote: Ok so: Damdy and geript masons Hf i think likely to be town If I assume rsoul doesn't say things just to escape a scum read If tumble and rux are both town sl looks like town to me Rayn likely still town, but need to re read since there have been cases on him this game Rels Skynx Koshi Am I missing anyone? Think there's a good chance of at least 1 scum in those 3 On July 15 2017 07:33 emperorchampion wrote: Koshi and skynx can both be scum for tone vs other people in this game. Both didn't really do much day 1 and lots of inconsistencies in skynx case as pointed out by others. Rels, didn't love his catching up, just the one thing with rsoul. The first post is like very early in the day though right? Pretty sure I wrote that on the bus to work. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:35 Skynx wrote: You're the only one on VA wagon with legitimate beef on me thats why. At the end of the day there were more reasons for me to vote for VA than you. | ||
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For VA, there was the whole thing with his entrance. I voted him because it seemed like it could be a good chance of scum. He never defended him self. He himself said that no one can read him right, so it was like OK then. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you cant go into someones filter and say "there is an inconsistency" when there are things that have happened between that definitely change people's thinking (aka VA's alignment here). If those posts you quoted are from before D1 ended then you have a case and a good one. huh? | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont care what you thought about VA but every single one of those posts Skynx showed looks like you dont even think VA is mafia or at least you think Skynx is more likely mafia, so there is that. I think it matters since VA never gave me any reason to move my vote. Your logic right now says that you think skynx is town, and that me not killing him makes me mafia. Even skynx's own argument is: I'm town, why didn't you kill me? Feels a bit weird to me. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Her read is simply my read. That he waffled on you and didn't do much. I think her early game thoughts are understandable, since I probably was pretty all over the place. This is why I had a conversation with her. Also rsoul can still be right on koshi, very outside chance right on hf. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: or you just tried to set up D2 mislynch. who knows, both are equally alike from pure mafia-playbook-gameplay perspective. it doesnt make sense though, that you, like ruxxar, argue -- and try to make it seem like someone is your top lynch when you actually say something very different in your posts. but i am going to stop trying to convince you that you are mafia, it doesnt really work in any case. I think the thing that's maybe missing is that for yesterday VA is still top lynch, why I lynched him. Next at that time are skynx and koshi. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: nothing is 100% but probably yes. yeah idk about your two read since i never understood that from the beginning, that's my bad. I townread him for some reasons and had "better" reasons to not look back at the people i poe'd early (aka VA). So you have just skynx's case to scum read me? | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: or you just tried to set up D2 mislynch. who knows, both are equally alike from pure mafia-playbook-gameplay perspective. it doesnt make sense though, that you, like ruxxar, argue -- and try to make it seem like someone is your top lynch when you actually say something very different in your posts. but i am going to stop trying to convince you that you are mafia, it doesnt really work in any case. Also, where am I setting up a D2 mislynch on skynx? Plot the progression of this for me. | ||
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On July 16 2017 01:03 emperorchampion wrote: Also, where am I setting up a D2 mislynch on skynx? Plot the progression of this for me. One further thing, I don't think I ever claimed that I tried to push a lynch for either skynx or VA. To me, last day phase both could have been scum, skynx still can be. So it's very different. | ||
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On July 16 2017 01:58 Skynx wrote: Point is, voting VA is easy. But if you vote VA, what do you have on the counter wagon and does that make you scummy? So at the end of this, what are your reasons for thinking I'm scum? | ||
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On July 16 2017 03:22 Skynx wrote: Lets take a case of town!emp thought VA could be town, skynx has been scummy and didn't improve so he should point that out to the game, switch to skynx and lynch him instead. Ofc that didn't happen, if you swapped on me you knew I'd flip town and you'd have a hard time clearing yourself after the mislynch. You'd have to come up with solid reasons to justify your switch to be safe tomorrow, or you could just stay on VA who has been objectively scummy and your TMI townread on him from earlier would go unnoticed. You pushing me for rest of the day could be many reasons i dunno, setting me up for a D2 lynch could be one of them. Tbh, the VA townread TMI+ Show Spoiler + On July 13 2017 23:21 emperorchampion wrote: Quickly checking in: the "slip" is pretty lols that hf pointed out. I suppose some small town points to rsoul for being skeptical on this point. For this dislike hedging, I think I've been pretty clear my overall read on people . Of course there are things that give me pause on people but you can say that about any read at this point. With regards to what rayn added re: his reasons for scum reading rux I'll look more at this later tonight. va's entrance I didn't mind at first glance since I didn't love skynx 's big post. I'm sure there's more in there but gotta re read the last few pages later tonight. So your case boils down to you think that I tmi'd va, then voted him. Seems pretty weak for lock scum over people who haven't done anything this game. The part of your case regarding what you think could happen next day is complete conjecture. What of my play so far this night supports your theory? | ||
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Maybe, so why are you lock town? | ||
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On July 16 2017 05:27 sicklucker wrote: Whats that have to do with anything. your denying you forgot your read? No ones lock town in this game I just forgot about you until damdred mentioned you in the post above. You can be scum cause the only thing I have to town read you on so far is tone | ||
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- hf is lock town for me - skynx might be town, but needs to stop being so lazy with his cases. Two half assed cases now, and almost lynched day 1. - ruxxar is likely mafia. Few new reasons are his town reads of hf and skynx after they hard lock him mafia. Mafia motivation is that he doesn't know how to deal with the situation otherwise, so buddying is his only attempt. He gives no regard to tumbles town lock on him or vice versa, looks like buddying attempt to me. His day one reads are completely based on meta. The only reason for town reading me is honesty, despite having many similar reads and I would hope (but am maybe sorely mistaken) pretty strong town play this game. - koshi needs to haul ass, unfortunately he can likely be mafia as well which is the only reason that in some insane world ruxxar is actually town. I believe that ruxxar started off with a "hey play better " sort of read. Then just never moved off it, and is now stuck bussing his teammate. - tumble needs to explain his ruxxar read - rayn still probably lock town, I admit I've been too lazy to read his filter this night - sicklucker has been funny, but I've found that as both alignments, so will hopefully step up. End of day 1 seemed towny from him. - damdy and geript don't have much to say here - rels is super meh. Needs to explain why in his catching up just read only through rayns filter and just sheeped his top read - vivax is likely town | ||
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On July 16 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Damb that ec read is legit. Forgot you scum read sl Say you didn't forget Proven wrong Theb retroactively defend that read saying you don't remember what he's done and he's scummy The fact you didn't remember scum reading him and then give reasons ti scum read him is bull shit. You are confirmed mafia niw. You think I forgot calling sl top town? | ||
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I said I forgot about him | ||
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Woooo great argument | ||
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On July 16 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote: Cop and mason can exist at the same time imo, not ready to unclear damdy and geript altho they have been real bad. Yeah that's fair, we had some millers also. | ||
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On July 16 2017 06:22 sicklucker wrote: ? rels + ruxxar or koshi + random person most likely skynx? or maybe both ruxxar and koshi It was more a question for hf. Since he said that damdy wasn't mason. Now he says that he's actually nerfed cop. Idk | ||
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On July 16 2017 08:21 geript wrote: That's basically where Damdred is... which makes me feel bad about my reads geript please give your own reads. Also wtf is damdred on, he should be my number 1 fan. | ||
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You can literally come up with anything that I "could do" day two. But what things that have already happened fit this narrative you have in your head? It's complete bs. | ||
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On July 16 2017 14:58 Tumblewood wrote: i don't really have a granular thing i can point to and say "this post is townie because xyz" but over the course of this game i have seen ruxxar as a player highly concerned with solving the game and little else. frankly it seems obvious to me and i have trouble understanding why so many people scumread him Aight, can you quote some posts where he's solving the game. This is really a stumbling block for me atm | ||
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For skynx, I'm at the point where making cases on 3 town so far is pretty meh but it doesn't make him scum. There's also the things earlier with the fake rage, his response when called out was also pretty meh. I feel pretty mixed on this also. | ||
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On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote: I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. This is a fair point. I also don't remember anything about his filtering of me. Pretty sure he didn't post anything afterwards. Like if you read my filter and you think I'm town, if you're town you say so. If you find something scummy you say so. If you're scum and you don't find anything to push you just leave it. Very interesting actually. Tumble please answer this as well. | ||
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I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations. | ||
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On July 16 2017 19:32 ruXxar wrote: Why do you make this post now? It's out of context. How so out of context? I respect rayns read, part of what makes me think that skynx could just be lazy so far. I don't think it's as alignment indicative as rayn tho. Tumbles response is kinda weird. Does tumble have other things supporting skynx town? I don't remember fully, just the part where he said that skynx wasn't an ideal off wagon. Not sure if this point alone is enough to justify a town read but depends on his previous stance to me. | ||
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On July 16 2017 19:47 ruXxar wrote: What I mean is that it's random that TW comes back and makes that post. I don't disagree with what Rayn said, but why does TW come back and that is one of the posts he makes? He made 1 other catching up post, so not too out of context | ||
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On July 16 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote: Non-voters (3) - Rels, Vivax, Koshi lol mafia team Vivax was pretty much given a free town pass by everyone so idk why he hasn't posted lol | ||
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On July 16 2017 20:52 ruXxar wrote: Yes, but why specifically that one? Examples of thought processes: "I was filtering Rayn and came over this tidbit" "I was looking for a reason to call skynx town". When he doesn't share his thoughtprocess it leaves us with imperfect information. Imperfect information leads to assumptions. Assumptions in a game of mafia naturally leads to suspicion. If he wants to be townread he should leave as little as possible to our imagination. It could be something, but to me it's pretty nai | ||
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You can start to convince me by answering the question in my end of night summary. | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:38 geript wrote: Clearly because you're scum with me and Damdred and needed to make sure that the sheep wouldn't lynch us. Thank god for that "red check" of yours or we'd totally lose this game. This legit terrifies me | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:41 Holyflare wrote: hey geript paraphrase every post of your qt for me This please | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:24 Rels wrote: But even then I think it is a good point. EC did seem like he was counting VA out already. What do you mean? | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:51 Rels wrote: This ? I didn't read only through rayn's filter. I read VA's filter as he was the top lynch, said some stuff about it, then read rayn's filter because VA mentionned a rayn's case on him. So at the moment you're just sheeping skynx' case on me? You definitely haven't read anything I wrote, and you think I'm scum, so there's no way I can trust you right now. Why do you feel so pressured to get reads out? | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:57 Rels wrote: I'm not feeling pressured at all, on the contrary (= why do you feel so pressured to change my mind when you think I'm scum ? So you're town who just decides people are scum without reading their filter at all. Well nice asset here. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:00 Koshi wrote: I'll go read 40 pages now. Hopefully it will be interesting. Probably should read like 50 but 40 will do. Wurd I hope it's good | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:03 Rels wrote: ? I've read your filter. If I'm scum there is 0 way I'm not dead before you; the only lynch I can get is HF in that scenario. Why would I invent stuff to push you ? Nice degrading comment about me => usually comes from scum pushing town. I'm legit frustrated because your reasons for thinking I'm scum are bs. But that's probably because you're scum so I should chill | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:07 emperorchampion wrote: I'm legit frustrated because your reasons for thinking I'm scum are bs. But that's probably because you're scum so I should chill Cooling off: what do you mean by inventing stuff to push me? You shouldn't need to invent anything. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:18 Rels wrote: Paraphrasing that you're saying I'm pushing you without reading your filter. So you legitimately believe that I tmi'd va and that's why I voted him. That's the only reason I'm scum. | ||
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You said that the read was natural, but in fact it was cause of masons. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:30 Rels wrote: that's the absolute opposite. No OK I see what you mean. Yeah, kinda. Keeping that list of people you wanted to lynch, then replacing Damdred / geript by me when they claimed; but you scumread me for a reason that was already in the thread at the time of your "people to look out for" list, but I wasn't in that list. I honestly don't 100% know what you mean with this, but I'm not really focused. Damdy was slipping cause first 24h he was good, then after that not so much. Geript I don't exactly recall why he was looking not too great at this point. I think it was literally impossible to think you were scum or anything day 1, but obvi you're still a lynch for not posting. | ||
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Many thanks to hf for carrying the town torch for today | ||
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On July 17 2017 20:40 emperorchampion wrote: Is it really that odd to accept a mason claim? I don't find it too particularly odd. Everyone else accepted it. Like this here is empirical evidence that it's not that odd. | ||
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On July 17 2017 20:11 Koshi wrote: Yesterday Koshi believed there was mafia within rels/sl/tw/ec. He was 100% sure TW was mafia and pretty happy about that. The situation seemed to evolve into a breakdown of the Rels wagon into a TW vs Koshi showdown in which mafia was going to vote Koshi. Now Koshi didn't like that people went to random ass wagons like EC and Ruxxar because that was not going to be productive. But he might have been too fast on that. Now Skynx voting Rux was just weird because he just said TW/Koshi was a bus. Annoying but what else can I do except point it out twice... Rels voting EC was potential a smart mafia play. Because if the Rels wagon abolishes people are not going to vote with Rels most likely. Because he is still a mafia suspect. So if the mafia team is Rels/EC/TW what Koshi believes that is a smart play. However, Koshi, smart as he is, did not call Rels flat out mafia because he voted mafia because Koshi is not a retard and accepts votes on mafia. Koshi did however point out it could be a smart mafia play, because it could be a smart mafia play. Meh I don't really want to lynch tumble right now, but I'm ears on rels. | ||
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Well guess I was the only one then. Good thing I got all that town cred from the mason duo... | ||
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On July 17 2017 17:08 Rels wrote: I think he thought VA was gonna be lynched regardless and he was preparing the next day, robotically. He don't think he would resist switching to you if the town leaders told him to. My favourite post of this game so far So melodramatic hahaha | ||
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On July 17 2017 21:22 geript wrote: EC's comments: # of Skynx Positive Neutral (#720, #907) Negative: (#582, #910, #1028, #1215) # of VA Positive Neutral (#582, #1215, #1246) Negative (#720, #907, #1020) Like you talk about Skynx way fucking more than you talk about VA. The most you ever really say about VA is you didn't mind his opener. Everything else is basically, "He hasn't done anything I can defend" which is an easy cop out answer. My question is if you accepted Damdred and Myself as town, and we're both pushing a lynch on someone you talk reasonably negatively about (moreso than your current lynch vote). Why not join the chain of justice? If you were waiting for Damdred to confirm our loving masonic relationship, why? Either I'm 100% scum trying to get a partner to back my claim (who 100% will) or I'm 100% town and my partner will back my claim (who 100% will)? In what world does the person I claim to be masoned with end up not backing my claim? Literally no one in the thread questioned that I was in a QT with Damdred, but many questioned whether it was Scum QT. Skynx was legit throwing his vote away on a train that had 0 chance of ever happening (which is like super bad [shame shame Tina]), he's on your list of people to look at and "have meant to look at" repeatedly. Yet you don't end up filtering him. You don't end up trying to pool with confirmed town votes. You don't say to yourself, "Hey, I'm pretty iffy on both these guys; but I know that at least the push on Skynx is 100% led by an honest opinion I can trust." You don't do a lot of things that make basic fucking mafia sense. This probably won't answer all your points 1 by 1 , but the reason I don't move off of va for skynx even though you ask me to is that I respect my own reasons a lot more than I respect yours. This doesn't have to do with this point, but just to let you know where I'm at, none of your actions since then have given me any reason to trust you over me. I thought that va had a better chance on flipping than skynx, that's it. You can choose to believe me, or continue to tunnel on this the whole game. I'm not going to comment on this va skynx thing any further. The only reason I do so here I out of respect for you as town. | ||
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On July 17 2017 21:19 Koshi wrote: Another misrepresenting question I wont answer. But I'll ask you this, why did you vote me over for example Ruxxar or Rels? The moment Rels had a redcheck on him you vote me. While now that the red check is gone you want to vote with me on Rels? This brings the questions: Where do you townread me during my last 6-7 pages of filter? Why do you not want to vote with me on TW? I need to stop being lazy and really look between you and rels. So if you're willing to help I'll take it. Right now I am pretty 50/50 between you and rels. Ruxxar is a bit behind that, and tumble out in fourth. Probably because you were both so behind on the game before you started playing, but at a cursory glance i didn't see any thing particularly new or interesting from either of you. I'll put in some time now to try and sort things out | ||
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On July 17 2017 21:01 emperorchampion wrote: Forgot I had this open in another tab: My favourite post of this game so far So melodramatic hahaha Mm getting back into it. This post is the perfect combination of annoying, scummy and funny. Annoying and scummy because he implies I'm scum for something that I might have potentially done if a town lead maybe potentially told me to do something. Bad read rels, but funny post. | ||
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On July 18 2017 01:24 Koshi wrote: So basically you have completely nothing on everybody? Please explain why TW is only 4th on your list. What is townie about his play? Nah just been stagnant lately since not much time to play. Tumble is partially bias from last night phase since he looked the best going in. Out of you four I think he's most likely to flip town. I read his filter and the tone is pretty towny. Never really felt he got overly defensive over anything. | ||
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Wow I'm amazed actually it took so long for someone to bring this up. I'm on mobile so it's a bitch to bring up, this happens somewhere around page 2-3 of your filter. Basically the posts where you point out rsouls interpretation of some post I had made calling out damdy for defending someone based on one post. I made this at like 6am and confused geript with rsoul in my head. Hence the follow up post of whoops he actually thinks rsoul is scum. She actually interpreted correctly what I had written on paper, although not what I meant. For you to interpret what I tried to say, and defend me on this basically was something that I could not really see scum doing. | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:07 Holyflare wrote: Why didn't you share it? Honestly not 100% sure, I was still getting my footing in the game. I think I was also worried about getting pressured at the time for making a stupid mistake | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:15 Rels wrote: nothing. I'm keeping the possibility that you could be town in mind but so far you're the most likely scum flip You said you were tunneled like less than a page agow | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:36 Rels wrote: - your read on VA D1. It's not logical that you still voted him over Skynx at EOD1. Just because he "didn't defend". As if only scum didn't defend themselves. - you didn't like my EOD1. But when you had a list of people you scumread EOD1 I wasn't in it. But in the next list I appear in it, for reasons that were already in the thread for the first list. It makes no sense. - this whole HF read just now. 1 I've addressed far too often this game. I thought your catching up was super meh because to me it just looked like you went through top town filter and sheeped his top read with no reason. The explanation you gave later I guess makes sense so it's ok for me at the moment. For those two lists I just checked, they are pretty far apart on my filter. Plus before the first one I had you in my Poe list since you literally posted nothing. Like you don't believe that someone who hasn't posted can be scummy? Explain how my hf read is scummy | ||
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On July 18 2017 03:40 Rels wrote: "at a cursory glance i didn't see any thing particularly new or interesting from either of you." ... If you want to talk about objective truths I've spent far more time playing this game than you have. Nothing you guys have posted seems interesting since it's old news to me. There's probably some omgus in there too, but there's no way I'm scum where everyone who looked bad before today has me in their list | ||
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Like with this thing about va, Skynx backs off his own case and calls me town, you continue with some even more contrived reasons. Koshi I stated some reasons for night 1. His day 1 could be trying to do this low post thing, but failing as mafia. The reads thing with damdred could be pretty weak, but it's still there. Otherwise his progression through the day was hella weird, I'm town, then maybe not, now scum. Yeah I should've looked more into this earlier. To be fair to myself I said beforehand I wasn't really gonna do much today. There are many other inconsistencies that hf pointed out with respect to the tumble meta thing. Pretty much to me you both look worse than anyone else in this game at the moment. | ||
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On July 18 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote: I'm just tempted to sheep dead rayn onto emc along with geript for now since I still miss more than half of the game. Anyway, off to delve while I vote emc. Jesus, I can save you some time in that rayn thought I was pretty town, and his reasons for thinking I could maybe be scum is a case that skynx made. Skynx himself has since backed off this case | ||
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On July 18 2017 04:34 sicklucker wrote: he literally called you mafia 3 posts before he died.... you were his strongest mafia read wtf Based on skynx case if I recall correctly. | ||
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On July 18 2017 04:40 Holyflare wrote: What has changed since you just posted all the reasons for him to be mafia? Fuck this is a good question. I think I have a blind spot reading rels, the geript and damdy reading me as scum for the same shit is really throwing me off too. By poe he still looks pretty bad to me, but I've seen so many bad cases on me this game I dunno | ||
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On July 18 2017 05:24 geript wrote: Like I'm either great this game or straight up throwing. On the throwing end Jesus man | ||
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On July 18 2017 05:27 Koshi wrote: You don't even care the 3 confirmed town are on EC and you are voting with TW. How 3 conf town? | ||
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On July 18 2017 17:26 Holyflare wrote: I don't think they are mafia. Yeah, I'm just hella salty. Especially after reading through damdred's filter. Dude pretty much didn't even think I'm scum. This goes for vivax as well: you know one other thing that rayn was 100% on, VA was scum because he can never enter with his mafia meta. Oh wait. Geript you need to untunnel asap, it's making this game nearly impossible for me right now. | ||
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On July 18 2017 17:39 Holyflare wrote: Even says he would lynch tw over Koshi because he thinks koshi is town which implies he votes to save town reads. So WHERE was he when ruxxar, the guy he was hard defending all day, was up for lynch??? Burying tw without actually voting him and afking on ec, that's where. Rels needs to explain quote 2 in particular. | ||
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On July 18 2017 17:45 Holyflare wrote: It's possible vivax is mafia but I will lose all my respect for rsoultin in the process. Vivax play right now is absolutely mafia vivax. Like 100%. I told him his ec read was wrong and he didn't care and left. But then that means rsoultin thing..... It's a pretty shitty subject to talk about, but I was thinking that if rsoul was scum, she might have felt bad getting "town confirmed" off of her attitude. I don't think it's that likely tbh, but honestly what vivax did last night in combination for not posting for 72 hours is possibly the scummiest thing I have ever seen in mafia. | ||
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On July 17 2017 08:29 Koshi wrote: These last 5 votes have been so fucking horrible. Based on a false accusation of HF. Completely wasted vote as nobody will join Rels ever. Great vote if you are both mafia though. Says 2 people are mafia. Votes a third. Well this one makes sense. On July 17 2017 20:11 Koshi wrote: Yesterday Koshi believed there was mafia within rels/sl/tw/ec. He was 100% sure TW was mafia and pretty happy about that. The situation seemed to evolve into a breakdown of the Rels wagon into a TW vs Koshi showdown in which mafia was going to vote Koshi. Now Koshi didn't like that people went to random ass wagons like EC and Ruxxar because that was not going to be productive. But he might have been too fast on that. Now Skynx voting Rux was just weird because he just said TW/Koshi was a bus. Annoying but what else can I do except point it out twice... Rels voting EC was potential a smart mafia play. Because if the Rels wagon abolishes people are not going to vote with Rels most likely. Because he is still a mafia suspect. So if the mafia team is Rels/EC/TW what Koshi believes that is a smart play. However, Koshi, smart as he is, did not call Rels flat out mafia because he voted mafia because Koshi is not a retard and accepts votes on mafia. Koshi did however point out it could be a smart mafia play, because it could be a smart mafia play. The bolded in particular can be a pretty good point, fairly early on too. The rest is garbage. I'm a little biased on koshi since his stance on me is super bad, but he could be better than I thought. | ||
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On July 17 2017 07:16 Skynx wrote: I don't mind HF's reasons for voting you. Your read progression doesn't look natural to me. These come out of nowhere. How can you townread Ruxxar? How can you now townread tina since she has not posted anything ai?? You townread EC here, then scumread based on sl association + my stuff on him then back to townreading him + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2017 02:57 Koshi wrote: EC is fine. I don't think he is mafia. On July 17 2017 03:47 Koshi wrote: TW/Rels/EC/sicklucker Pretty happy with it. Your sicklucker read is also weak as fuck and you should know that. You don't believe the mason claim first but they crumbed it at the start and many people pointed it out. Lots of inconsistencies here Koshi. pg.75 The part bolded above. This point on koshi is hella weird. Page 75 is after vivax has swapped in. So there are absolutely reasons to town read rsoul's spot. | ||
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Holyflare Damdred geript These people look like town to me, but aren't quite locked: Skynx: I think a lot of his points that he's made this game have been pretty wrong, plus low filter at this point isn't looking too great. The cases show that he's thinking like town imo, but I can't be completely convinced he's town. Otherwise we shared a lot of reads, and I did like that he came around on his case mid-day. Tumblewood: has a few things going for him from previously for me, plus towny reaction around eod sicklucker: I get the sense he's been floating by a bit this game. My town read is mostly based on tone, I don't feel he's made a stong push on anything except I guess for ruxxar lynch at the end of the day. This was super opportunistic though so can't give much credit on that. Eh, don't really have any reason to put him as stonger town or strong scum. wtf zone Vivax: this is some bullshit. Still bullshit that it's pretty much 50/50 based on other stuff with rsoul's spot. Strongly starting to suspect that he replaced into a red spot and didn't want to put any effort in. Koshi Rels These guys both look bad to me, my case from earlier, first part with respect to rels. On July 18 2017 04:30 emperorchampion wrote: Your pushing me for bad reasons and refusing to re evaluate, especially on day 1. To me it looks like you're not taking a towny approach to anything that I write. Just looking for how it can make me scum. You have your top scum read here and you're not asking any interesting questions at all like 30 min ago. To be fair on this, I was pretty weak on this as well. But I know my excuse aka haven't slept in like 40 hours. Like with this thing about va, Skynx backs off his own case and calls me town, you continue with some even more contrived reasons. Koshi I stated some reasons for night 1. His day 1 could be trying to do this low post thing, but failing as mafia. The reads thing with damdred could be pretty weak, but it's still there. Otherwise his progression through the day was hella weird, I'm town, then maybe not, now scum. Yeah I should've looked more into this earlier. To be fair to myself I said beforehand I wasn't really gonna do much today. There are many other inconsistencies that hf pointed out with respect to the tumble meta thing. Pretty much to me you both look worse than anyone else in this game at the moment. I'm waffling a lot between koshi and rels. HF's read of rels as scum in the last quote block is conditioned on tumble being scum, a point that I'm not entirely sold on at the moment. | ||
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On July 19 2017 04:58 Skynx wrote: Damdred's first thing coming into the game (not long after the game started) was buddying geript without presenting any reason. If they are mafia they literally decided their entire gameplan in 2 hours. Yeah I saw that, it's a little slower on geript's side was the only thing. damdred's filter looks pretty solid also, geript's is maybe better than I thought but I'm pretty salty about his tunnel. | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:01 Skynx wrote: SL has done 0 town things so far, stats provided by OptaJoe. Yeah he's been pretty passive this game, but I can't get a good scum read since I don't think he's done anything particularly scummy either. | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:05 Vivax wrote: I'd put the mafia at Koshi, emc, one of Rels or Skynx atm. TW has really improved his posting shape wise and his reads align with mine more or less (with exception of emc), but I'm afraid of TMI in his case and that he's trying to look shiny. For example I didn't like Ruxxars posting much during D1 and I'm not sure what made him townread him. His read came down to this: I think this isn't a strong reason to have at the time, at least an explanation on what he would expect mafia to do instead would be appreciated. Besides the TMI thing he gives off good vibes so not lynching him tomorrow. Koshi for his minion entry followed up by a very funless unkoshiesque D1. Emc had a semi helpful entrance. Skynx case on rayn looked slightly over the top to me at the time. I'm kind of slightly caught up on both ends of the game but the middle is lacking atm and most player filters as well, so I'm just going to post un caught up and out of my ass for a while since I really have no connection to this game yet. Vivax: why scum read on me, and you think I'm trying to bus koshi since day 1? | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:44 Rels wrote: 100% wrong. I voted him last second exactly for that reason. Don't know why but my vote was done at 23:00 instead of 22:59. Turns out my vote didnt matter. But I hammered to lynch tw Why did you wait till the last minute? | ||
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On July 19 2017 05:47 Rels wrote: ok no way this is town. Quoted every post instead of the relevant one Which post is that? | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:18 Rels wrote: why are you talking to me, then talking to someone else in that last sentence ... ? I switched 'cause I wanted to lynch TW over ruxxar. I thought you were saying I was scummy 'cause I didn't vote TW over ruxxar ? Now I'm scummy 'cause I made a switch that couldn't achieve anything ? 'cause you don't make sense. No I'm saying that your switch timing is bs because it couldn't achieve anything. But if you had done so earlier it might would have been much more effective. No way you can use your switch to defend yourself | ||
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On July 19 2017 06:23 Rels wrote: YOu're the one with HF saying it doesnt make sense that I didnt vote TW over ruxxar WHEN I TRIED TO DO IT Why did you wait 10 min to vote instead of when everyone else was swapping? | ||
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On July 19 2017 07:25 sicklucker wrote: This guy wanted both them dead but didnt care enough to be here at deadline incase he had a chance to lynch one. Yes ruxxar was lynched completely because of his afk vote but he didnt know that could happen. I think he didnt care because both of them are town. The pieces are starting to come together So sl you think tumble is town? | ||
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On July 19 2017 16:38 sicklucker wrote: I would say hes my second or third option. doubt skyx gets any votes judging by thread sentiment So skynx / rels, whos' the third for you? On July 19 2017 16:39 sicklucker wrote: if hf has his dream of a 2 man race it should probably be koshi vs rels. that gives us the most information too Why does this give us the most information? | ||
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Also anything more about rel's alignment? | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:18 sicklucker wrote: day 1 vote skynx - Dandred, Geript, va, ruxxar four confirmed town voted skynx day one... I cant make this shit up. The other two mafia are on the counter wagon and theres only 3 options from my pov On July 19 2017 21:19 sicklucker wrote: but then again mafia are sometimes awful and none vote to save there roleblocker.... But I still think its right here By this logic everyone on VA would be scum to save skynx town, not all town are voting to lynch skynx. Anyways, I kinda see what you mean. But I think it makes rels super scummy for jumping on last second just sheeping rayn lol | ||
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On July 19 2017 18:09 emperorchampion wrote: So skynx / rels, whos' the third for you? Why does this give us the most information? | ||
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On July 20 2017 00:40 Tumblewood wrote: koshi/rels/skynx is most likely, but vivax is not out of the question. vivax has a low. stamina as scum, so i'd prefer to wait him out, but so far both votes from that slot have been random off-wagons I'm hiring qualified engineers for the Rels express, wanna job? :D | ||
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Accepting applications though! All you have to do is sign up here: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/mafia/524700-generic-mini-mafia-iii-voting-thread?page=last | ||
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This morning when I asked about the whole tumble fiasco he said he held to try and bait something out of tumble, but couldn't say whether he got anything out of tumble: very fishy to me. Besides all the other reasons for voting him, such as pushing skynx's dead case, and coming up with even more contrived reasons for how it makes me scum. | ||
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On July 20 2017 01:57 Holyflare wrote: I like that rels pointed out this vivax post though Maybe they're not partners? | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:03 Holyflare wrote: what on earth are you talking about? you're saying it's so bad mafia wouldn't make a post like that? Yeah something like this. | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:23 Rels wrote: well seems like the game is becoming easy SL is underwhelming but I have two things that makes me think he's town. The fact that he insta believed HF claim, when he's a scum player that tries to do sneaky stuff; I think as scum he tries to buddy HF by roleplaying the fakeclaim. And the fact that he doesn't have a read on me, he has a very hard time reading me. What do you mean by roleplaying the scum claim? I would think that believing it the easiest way to buddy. So hf is locked town for you also? | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:17 Rels wrote: EC probably the third for this BS read on me, taht's only a nice story that proves nothing. Town does that too sometimes so maybe he's bad, but it's literally the only thing he's done for 50 hours. Heh | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:40 Rels wrote: I mean showing to HF hints that he knows he's fakeclaiming to appear smart. HF rapid change of reads over the last days make me think he's town How does he know it's a fake claim? Closed set up right. | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:43 Rels wrote: it's true. If you're town you really need to stop spouting BS. Your main argument for scumreading me is a story. It's not fact, it's not scum mindset, it's just a story, that might or might nor be true. It doesn't prove shit. That I scumread TW but didn't vote until the very end proves nothing. Your argument that I'm asking shit questions make no sense too. First because it's against the facts, I don't remember asking you a lot of questions, the only thing I wanted an answer from you that I remember is the HF read. Second because it contradicts another post of yours where ytou say the exact opposite, that I'm scumreading you but not asking you questions. I recall these being separate occasions. Probably the last two nights. You trying to get a reaction out of tumble, getting one, the forgetting it is incredibly suspicious to me. It looks like you didn't care at all. Getting the reaction, then forgetting about it goes exactly against your reason for holding the vote. This is why I don't believe you on either point. Holding your vote from your team mate and then once the pressure is off is entirely what scum would do. | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:47 Holyflare wrote: EC why is rels scum for his vote when you TOWN read tumble?!?!?!?! I thought about it a lot and I think tumble is scum too. You can take or leave your belief in this since I didn't post about it in thread. But look at the tone of questions I was asking. | ||
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On July 19 2017 22:47 sicklucker wrote: 5 towns voted him 4 are confirmed towns. everyone that I think could potentially still be mafia voted to save him. He wants to kill me who is town. he wants to kill tumble who is probably town. If you dont think tumbleweeds mafia that means all mafia voted to save skynx On July 20 2017 00:29 Tumblewood wrote: i waanna town sl too. what i'm seeing is definitely the way i know him to approach the game. and he has some solid points too | ||
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On July 19 2017 21:18 sicklucker wrote: day 1 vote skynx - Dandred, Geript, va, ruxxar four confirmed town voted skynx day one... I cant make this shit up. The other two mafia are on the counter wagon and theres only 3 options from my pov On July 19 2017 21:19 sicklucker wrote: but then again mafia are sometimes awful and none vote to save there roleblocker.... But I still think its right here | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:53 Holyflare wrote: What any self respecting scum player would do in this situation is jump onto the wagon for extra credit or divert the lynch as hard as they can rels did neither sl did it for him | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:54 Holyflare wrote: and by a lot I mean like 8 or so minutes today without reading anything If rels and tumble are a scum team, do their actions make sense together? | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:59 Holyflare wrote: there's one thing you can do to resolve your alignment though and that's vote vivax I can vote him now to make you happy, maybe he'll be motivated to post something. But at the end of the day we flip either rels or tumble. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:04 Rels wrote: what happened to the open mind you wanted to keep ? OK fair, but I will need a lot of convincing from this point. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:04 Rels wrote: and what happened to your Koshi read ? By poe he dropped to like maybe 4/5. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:08 Holyflare wrote: My two wagon choices are EC and Vivax What reasons do you have for thinking rels is town? | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:12 Rels wrote: But he didn't ? It's during the first 24 hours of the game. Why are you saying Koshi knew Damdred was mason ? What are you talking about? | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:14 Holyflare wrote: his sl read just now seemed out of the blue and honest and I liked it and the fact that he's still trying to solve the game when there's literally just us three in the thread he's also scum reading vivax which is the correct thing to do and voting him which you're not even sticking to because you're mafia D: Idk about you, but it's just too coincidental that three players with poor filters, also happen to save each other, then come around on town reads on each other out of the blue. None of them have as primary lynch targets. It was looking for a while like rels was gonna get bussed. When I try interacting with sl and tumble about rels: not a single thing. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:18 Rels wrote: weird thing to say. EC did you find Damdred's read of geript bad ? It's not BS just because it's fabricated. Actually it's not fabricated since he knows geript is town, he can find stuff that makes him town with less doubts. So what made you think Damdred's read was bad ? I remember it being weird to have such a strong read early in the game off so little. The read itself is totally inconsequential to my point on koshi. | ||
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On July 20 2017 03:23 Holyflare wrote: no it's not coincidental in the slightest because: 1. Your TW read ALSO was updated to be that he was town because of tone etc at deadline: 2. Confirmed town also saved Tumblewood, who you town read AT THE SAME TIME AS THEM. 3. Rels looked awful from not placing his vote at the time. Mafia don't want to look awful. 4. Like I said before, mafia don't make these plans you're talking about. 5. SL pushed someone he thought was mafia over someone he said started looking towny, which you yourself thought too (tw looked towny), so SL is not mafia because he started pushing his mafia read (like last game ). If confirmed town damdred/geript(at some point) could vote off TW and you said he was looking towny it's not a big stretch in the slightest that they could be town too. You have just started a narrative. You also arbitrarily have made Tumblewood mafia again FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON other than people saving him. This only makes sense in the world where you have to rewrite history. You town read TW at that same time, just like those people, you can't erase this and rewrite the narrative. 1. I can understand the reasons that the tumble related things don't make sense. To me my read was based on tone, but the way things look now it's bad to me. If you want other reasons to think he's scum you can look up koshi's case. 2. Rels clearly thinks he looks good by changing his vote at the last second, so I think your point is moot on that. 3. It doesn't have to be a "plan" , sl just comes in and tries to get the vote off of tumble because he's a teammate | ||
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Last night you were defending your reasons for not voting sl by saying you voted him last minute. So a good thing in your mind. | ||
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I understand that association seems like a big part, but it's mostly corroborative. sl and tumble look super weak, and maybe to others rels doesn't look too bad. But from my perspective, I know his arguments are off, and he looks super scum to me. It's all pre flip yes, but one of these guys needs to be flipped. | ||
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On July 20 2017 04:19 Rels wrote: Yes it is totally consequential to your point on Koshi. It is BECAUSE you found Damdred's read weird that you found Koshi's weird scummy. I acknowledged it was a weak point last night. But if you want to scratch it, then ok it's fine. | ||
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On July 20 2017 04:18 Rels wrote: No it doesn't make sense. I'm not scum because I scumread Tumble but didn't vote him until the last second. It doesn't make anyone scum. I'm not scum because of some master plan wher the scum team show face all at the same time. It almost never happens. You say you're keeping an open mind. But I come and make good posts on Koshi and SL. Your top townread thinks you're scum because your reasons are so bad. But you're not changing. You're rigid. Probably 'cause you're scum. I have many other reasons you are scum, that I have stated previously. Actually tumble is more scum because of your actions, not the other way. | ||
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On July 20 2017 02:43 emperorchampion wrote: How does he know it's a fake claim? Closed set up right. Rels I still don't understand this point on sl | ||
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I'm really seeing two worlds where vivax koshi could be scum, or rels and co could be scum. I think skynx and sl fit those two teams respectively. I'm maybe ok to flip vivax, if he's town go for the others. Just super worried the game ends if we don't hit scum here. | ||
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On July 21 2017 06:06 Holyflare wrote: I'm the new koshi | ||
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On July 21 2017 06:36 Tumblewood wrote: koshi/skynx, ez also hf, you still can't count, it's not mylo tomorrow Seconded | ||
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On July 21 2017 06:45 Holyflare wrote: I'm keeping ec on my scum list for today's antics Good shit b | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:45 Skynx wrote: It's sort of a trend in this last 6 months or so where his mafia game became too obvious cuz he's just so out there as town so i don't blame him for changing styles as he's either easy to read as mafia or gets nk'd d1 every game. Maybe nothing, but could be something if koshi flips red. | ||
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Association with koshi from bottom of page 5 on his filter. 2045, goes very soft on koshi despite a strong ish case. Cross checking with vote thread, three on koshi already. And votes alone on ruxxar Learning from last day, not much to scum read skynx on maybe. I think it's pretty strong if koshi flips red though. | ||
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On July 16 2017 05:16 sicklucker wrote: noted that ec cant even remember his own reads. he calls me town at last deadline then less then 24 hours later im "forgotten" and scum Skynx said: Another lazy reason to scumread someone. He just looks tryhard with this, emp felt genuine at the time even tho i was scumreading him aswell. This is a potentially scummy thing to post to me. Sl is lazy but try hard, he's scum reading me at the time but I'm genuine. | ||
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On July 21 2017 00:15 Skynx wrote: Yeah, I am absolutely not lynching anyone else until sicklucker is gone. He is just mafia. TW is next in line in terms of my scumread, previous reasons in my filter still stand but he doesn't outweigh sl in terms of chanses of flipping mafia. Vivax is afk, 4 posts yeah nothing townie yeah but nothing scummy either. When we have reasons to scumread others, lynching someone else because we have no reason to townread him is just plain stupid, this is a coinflip DO NOT LYNCH VIVAX TODAY. Koshi I'm dropping my scumread for now, as long as he lynches scum. He showed signs of being reasonable. This is pretty damning given vivax flip | ||
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##vote koshi | ||
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On July 22 2017 06:07 Tumblewood wrote: hf knew the nightkill beforehand — tmi???? Confirmed | ||
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On July 22 2017 20:48 Skynx wrote: ##Vote: Koshi What's everyone doing this weekend then? Eh same old working | ||
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I think it makes sense to claim now, I am town parity cop. Night 1 I checked tumble, night 2 I checked rels (hence the crazy posts after this), night 3 I checked koshi, night 4 I checked skynx. Tumble and rels came back as same alignment, koshi came back as opposite alignment from rels, and skynx came back as opposite alignment as koshi. If you are looking for any validity to back my claim, I did not vote for the "red check" on rels night 2 (actually I thought I tmi'd immediately lol). And the crazy theories that I had after night 2 regarding rels and tumble was based on I thought they were a scum team at the time. Given my check I prefer to vote for sicklucker. Given that there is only 1 scum left, the only other possibility is that one of rels/tumble is godfather, or skynx is godfather. Given that the roleblocker flipped and there was a miller, I believe it is unlikely that there is a godfather on the scum team. | ||
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On July 26 2017 04:18 Tumblewood wrote: no. if your checks are all correct, rels, skynx and i are all town. but it doesn't rule out the possibility of any of us being gf Ah fuck you're right, I dunno what I was thinking | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:47 rsoultin wrote: Ruxxar D2 was a huge mistake I felt. Not there to defend himself, everyone had been talking about others the whole day phase...very strange lynch. I didn't really want to lynch ruxxar, but for me: 1) wasn't me, and I was a little selfish because of cop, and 2) it was still another null that I had at the moment. Overall not the worst I think. | ||
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On July 27 2017 03:11 geript wrote: Not lynching Koshi D2 was a major mistake. I should've been all over that band wagon. My problem is that I've seen Koshi give absolutely 0 fucks as both alignments and I like a few minor comments he made. Overall though, the Ruxxar Lynch on D2 was a fucking travesty because he was far from a good lynch then. Not lynching VA was much tougher IMO; I don't think there were any slam dunk cases around. We maybe could've pulled a lurker lynch for SL, but past that IDK. There weren't any slam dunk cases on D1 and there were a number of people who allowed the lurker scum to not be easy policy lynches. Like here's the thing Rels. If you start playing and start to look towny on D2, you've helped scum get a more favorable lynch on D1. On D1, I think Rels, SL, Koshi, TW, Tina and maybe EC could've all been solid lynches as Lurker + questionable play. On D2, Rels removed himself from that list; maybe EC did too. IDK, I feel really good and bad about my EC reads this game (which I'm ok with since I haven't seen him before). IMO, the most important thing you can do as town is to remove yourself from the lynch list. If all townies are obviously town, then finding the right person to lynch becomes super easy. Even if they're just reasonably townie, people will find reasons to lynch someone else. You were way too tunneled on me Honestly I still don't know why you think I was scum this game. To me it seemed like because of things revolving around Skynx's case, that I think I explained a dozen times lol I think I played pretty good up to the end of night 1, after that I just kind of did my job imo. A note on the VA lynch for me: I play about 1 game of mafia every 6 or so months, so when I play I actually want to play. When someone does some bs and gives up it annoys me quite a bit, then the defense of "no one reads me correctly", well then may as well kill you now since at best you're just going to be a null all game. I have 0 remorse about lynching VA. | ||
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