EPTOn June 21 2017 08:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like literally Rels, you have made a case on Ruxxar that is basically "(1) he is trying to lynch his top scumread with (2) a bad case".
Now:
What is scummy in (1)?
Why is this a bad case:
*I took away the "he hammered town" part because that's actually a thing that never makes anyone mafia*
Explain me why this is a bad case?
Like literally Rels, you have made a case on Ruxxar that is basically "(1) he is trying to lynch his top scumread with (2) a bad case".
Now:
What is scummy in (1)?
Why is this a bad case:
*I took away the "he hammered town" part because that's actually a thing that never makes anyone mafia*
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On June 18 2017 22:24 ruXxar wrote:
[.....]
2) He doesn't try to solve the game.
How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:
DF:
Disfo:
HF:
"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.
It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
[.....]
2) He doesn't try to solve the game.
How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see:
DF:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
who do you think is scum?
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
but as fefe pointed out:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
Sure.
This post:
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
Sure.
This post:
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
who do you think is scum?
I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
Look at me as much as you like, but why?
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
who do you think is scum?
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
but as fefe pointed out:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
Sure.
This post:
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
[quote]
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
[quote]
Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar
Sure.
This post:
On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
[quote]
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
[quote]
Sure.
This post:
[quote]
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
[quote]
Sure.
This post:
[quote]
I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.
Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.
I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.
For the second part:
People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.
Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.
Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.
who do you think is scum?
I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
Look at me as much as you like, but why?
I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.
Disfo:
On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.
HF:
On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it.
On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.
It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.
I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.
On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas.
Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter.
It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game.
I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great.
"I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance.
So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope.
Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope.
It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
Explain me why this is a bad case?
I chose more hedgey language intentionally, especially in regard to Annul who I was only looking at because he was one of the vote contenders along with Xatalos.
It was a situation where I had to lynch between the two rather than start a lynch on someone like HF.
