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Lets see:
1) idk what case youre talking about, if it's the one on Grack it's 100x better than any of yours in this game.
2) ruxxar pushes his top scumread - you call it fake. for what reason?
3) ruxxar wants disformation to vote for his top scumread - you don't know what he is trying to accomplish? No instead you say something stupid like "Are you trying to scumread disfo?"
4) ruxxar thinks there is X mafia on annul, you think there is Y. You scumread him because X is "scary to do as mafia". But hey Rels, YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT MAFIA WANTS TO DO OR WHAT THEIR GAMEPLAN IS, REMEMBER?!?!?!?
5) ruxxar wants to lynch his top scumread, that's scummy because he thinks the person he strongly thinks is scum is scum, okay....
6-7) some quotes from yourself that has nothing to do with why ruxxar is scum.
good case.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
so is the anger real or what
On June 21 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
this is also standard rels scum meta. complain and do nothing. might be his town meta too tho lol
second half of this post saves it
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Canada11355 Posts
can we slow it down boys I can only read so much before my brain does that thing where it stops working
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Like literally Rels, you have made a case on Ruxxar that is basically "(1) he is trying to lynch his top scumread with (2) a bad case".
Now:
What is scummy in (1)?
Why is this a bad case:
*I took away the "he hammered town" part because that's actually a thing that never makes anyone mafia*
On June 18 2017 22:24 ruXxar wrote:[.....] 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
Explain me why this is a bad case?
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On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement.
When I used this argument against him initially he said that he'd never try faking a dumbtell because he knew he'd be caught for it, so that's a dumb strategy, so he wouldn't do it
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On June 21 2017 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. When I used this argument against him initially he said that he'd never try faking a dumbtell because he knew he'd be caught for it, so that's a dumb strategy, so he wouldn't do it
It is not a dumbtell it's a fucking slip if he is mafia.....
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On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement.
This is the post in question right?:
On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 01:48 Eversince wrote:
On my EoD stuff:
I ask for reads and SL: "vote with me if you think I'm town" Nothing else.
HF: vote for SL and loosely explains why. Nothings else.
I missed Rels big qoute post on Xata but I don't think it would have mattered.
Since I was left with "Blindly follow this because it's the one I want" I just blindly consolidated.
SL claiming I have him as a top town read at the time is funny.
And expecting me to make a vote based off reads that are almost 40 pg old, after I openly admit that my reads are outdated and I have no time to read to adjust them. Ooff to me.
HF claiming I say he's the only one to give input is misconstrued. Other than Rels post that I missed, he was the only one who said the reason for why I should vote with him. He just failed to do it for any of the other two wagons.
wow that makes Eversince town. My big quote was about annul. So to those thinking ES was faking entering the thread (and Ithought that too befor ethat post), is she faked that she wouldn't mess up the names there. That means the entering the thread was innocent at the very least.
Which he followed within the same minute:
On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:
well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread
Or am I just not on the same page as to what that is about? Because I was thinking this is what that is about.
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Canada11355 Posts
So I went into VA's filter almost looking for reasons to scumread him and now that I made half a case about his read progression on grack and skynx...
I kinda think he's just low effort town.. The way he comes across seems so casual and while like 80% of his posts are setup talk or useless he seems to be looking at the game from a low information point of view and hasn't pushed any sort of agenda (scum or town) that I can see.
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On June 21 2017 08:46 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. This is the post in question right?: Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 01:48 Eversince wrote:
On my EoD stuff:
I ask for reads and SL: "vote with me if you think I'm town" Nothing else.
HF: vote for SL and loosely explains why. Nothings else.
I missed Rels big qoute post on Xata but I don't think it would have mattered.
Since I was left with "Blindly follow this because it's the one I want" I just blindly consolidated.
SL claiming I have him as a top town read at the time is funny.
And expecting me to make a vote based off reads that are almost 40 pg old, after I openly admit that my reads are outdated and I have no time to read to adjust them. Ooff to me.
HF claiming I say he's the only one to give input is misconstrued. Other than Rels post that I missed, he was the only one who said the reason for why I should vote with him. He just failed to do it for any of the other two wagons.
wow that makes Eversince town. My big quote was about annul. So to those thinking ES was faking entering the thread (and Ithought that too befor ethat post), is she faked that she wouldn't mess up the names there. That means the entering the thread was innocent at the very least. Which he followed within the same minute: Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:
well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread Or am I just not on the same page as to what that is about? Because I was thinking this is what that is about.
Yes you are. I bolded the important parts for you.
This is what he says now when i questioned him for it:
I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it.
"Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all"
Does the second big part look like he said this?
I think he backed off from a statement he knows is factually incorrect in a manner that looks the least bad. You know like slowly fading into the background.. I hope you and other people get what i mean here. If i made that sort of a mistake as town i would just admit i did a hasty judgement call that was retarded (in the first place) and not try to defend that later (in a way that ALSO kind of contradicts your original retractment from it).
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On June 21 2017 08:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like this is how it went:
Rels: I think this X makes ES town
rayn: bs, that doesn't make her town at all
Rels: well i already said that, did you not read this post after my initial post?
rayn: i don't care, i wanna know why you initially thought it makes here town, or why did you say so?
Rels: Well i think it makes her a little bit town
???????????????????????? Let me replace the middle part by what I ACTUALLY said I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it. "Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all"
The bolded part is not what he ACTUALLY SAID, that's my point.
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I can understand your logic. Assuming he thinks I'm not lying about entering at best I should be knocked down to null at best?
But isn't that what he did? I don't recall him ever outright calling me town.
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On June 21 2017 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:so is the anger real or what Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
this is also standard rels scum meta. complain and do nothing. might be his town meta too tho lol second half of this post saves it
ya rels acts really mad as mafia. usualy just starts fighting with everyone. I think hes more laid back as town
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On June 21 2017 09:08 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:15 Blazinghand wrote:so is the anger real or what On June 21 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
this is also standard rels scum meta. complain and do nothing. might be his town meta too tho lol second half of this post saves it ya rels acts really mad as mafia. usualy just starts fighting with everyone. I think hes more laid back as town
hmm seems believable
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On June 21 2017 09:03 Eversince wrote:
I can understand your logic. Assuming he thinks I'm not lying about entering at best I should be knocked down to null at best?
But isn't that what he did? I don't recall him ever outright calling me town.
His logic about you not lying about entering is sound. I have no problems with that.
However it doesn't make you anything. It is just as likely that mafia does not remember something than that a townie does not remember something. The way he followed up on his initial comment is what gives me the problem. He followed up on basically saying "it doesn't make Eversince anything". I asked him "i don't care about that, why did you initially say what you said" and then he says something else. He says "well i figured out i was partially wrong (aka "yes it makes her a little bit town i think") which is something he didn't imply at all imo in the second post. If he had just said "i had a brainfart for a second, deal with it" i would probably be okay with it, but i think he's trying to cover something he knows he made a mistake on rather than just admiting it was a honest mistake.
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That makes sense. I guess I'm failing to see the reason why he would bother doing it as mafia though.
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On June 21 2017 09:20 Eversince wrote:
That makes sense. I guess I'm failing to see the reason why he would bother doing it as mafia though.
You are saying you as town fail to see why he would bother trying to softly cover his tracks after accidently calling you town?
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Oh, I can be daft sometimes. Now that I think about it, I don't think he's given any reasons for thinking I'm town... Thread sentiment seems to be largely either I need shot or lynched.
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Eversince while i don't really think you can be mafia with Rels i have something i'd like you to explain.
I already asked this, you have apparently missed it:
I am also quite interested in this from Eversince someone talked about earlier: Show nested quote +Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia. What are the connections and other stuff you talk about you see?
This is regarding this post:
On June 17 2017 12:08 Eversince wrote:I'm no town leader and if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again. So this is my gift for you town. I'm 99.65535% convinced of it. SL, TW, Xata, Grack and X(Solve X for game) is the mafia team. Everything is here. The connections, the soft defenses, the meaningless casting of doubt, the organization between them interlocks and really is apparent at the lynch. There is only 1 wildcard if there is 5 mafia. --- Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, EversinceXatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, VivaxKoshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, TumblewoodSkynx (1): VayneAuthorityruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosityHalf the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. I'm going to bed for a bit now.
Another thing is this, from the same post:
...if I'm alive on D3 I will be utterly useless again.
Why do you think this? Even if you think this why do you want to say that?
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@Rayn-
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On June 20 2017 06:53 Eversince wrote:
Nah, I like Grack over Rels.
@Rayn- Just read their filters back to back. They peddle around, cast doubt about, but never actually push on each other, and come lynch time it's luck that they got my random vote. But I'm pretty sure TW is mafia and he could of swung. or if BTDT is mafia he could of swung. Neither needed to because I randomed my vote and it landed on town. Just go through their D1, because I'd make a huge mess if I tried to make a large analysis post on 4 separate players.
I will try to put together a post on it later tonight since I have the time.
There's only one out of that group that has given me any reason to doubt he fits. But only because of some very wifom stuff.
2) If I didn't call in sick tonight I would have been asleep until 3 hrs ago. at work 2 hours ago, and would not have been home again until basically deadline tomorrow. I'm already on everyone's "?/scum" pile. I'm kind of surprised mafia hasn't tried to get me mislynched yet. But this wasn't my original plan for today. Since I'm around though, I'm going to try be useful instead.
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