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On May 18 2017 14:31 emperorchampion wrote: How many games in a row have you rolled maf now tumble lol? 1 | ||
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several confirms one out of thirteen players has confirmed, I do not trust this game to not be dead | ||
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ah tru good point | ||
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On June 03 2017 09:05 Tubesock wrote: Hard to keep up with the flurry of posts. BH, it's been an hour since you targeted Vivax. No vote yet, how committed are you to this? You don't seem like you're pushing conversation (haven't answered Grack yet). the fuck is this shit hard to keep up with this flurry of 10 posts? that were all one-liners? and you're tryna call someone out for not pushing their rng? I can't even keep this post short while trying to vocalize everything stupid about it. if this isn't for reactions I wanna lynch you for being this bad | ||
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On June 03 2017 10:09 Tubesock wrote: you don't think that was a hilarious joke? SOooo you're not having fun are you? which part was the jokr | ||
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On June 03 2017 10:20 Tubesock wrote: uh the not keeping up with half a page of one liners. 4 by one peron.... SInce no one is talking, what are your thoughts on BH's RNG lynch? Do you think anything about it? basically meaningless. the reason I don't like how you are trying to discuss bh not keeping his push it whatever is because bh has done effectively nothing and you are trying to discuss the nothing | ||
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On June 03 2017 10:27 Tubesock wrote: So I should discuss Prison Breaks "Hi" post instead or Gracks? BH had the most "interesting" post at that point. Seemed logical. I did actually entertain filter diving LightningStrike cause I think that's funny too with 4 posts or whatever he had at the time. With some conditions I'm absolutely fine with a RNG lynch. What do you say to that? no. the whole point is what bh did was as nothing as the hi post, and you wouldn't discuss that and rng lynches are bad because you get 0 information from them, except based on who thinks it's a stupid idea, but that's pretty useless too | ||
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On June 03 2017 12:49 Vivax wrote: Morning. I think TW has rolled scum again cause his opening post is exaggeratedly aggressive but the followup doesn't carry the same conviction. I don't think he has much faith into his own argument and keeps reluctantly dragging it along afterwards to keep the appearance. Tone just doesn't appear natural and relaxed to me since we just started out. Do you agree y/n? n of course I don't carry the same conviction after I realize he is joking. still think his comments on bh are hot garbage but I'm not going to continue being aggressive because I think he's town | ||
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On June 03 2017 13:43 Vivax wrote: Why do you look so upset about that post? I don't get why it warrants such emotionality. gonna have to disagree on that being emotional | ||
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what if we lynched blazinghand I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:32 Blazinghand wrote: haha yeah you try to back out of the web of lies you've made up about me but everyone knows now. fun fact there was one time when I referenced a post by rsoul that didn't exist and rels treated me like this all game | ||
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On June 04 2017 09:33 Blazinghand wrote: maybe, but you have to admit that Grack's actions are clearly scummy. oh noooooo I cannot resist the urge to admit it this is gonna be one of those games where I'm gonna have to work extra hard to convince anyone of anything | ||
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i read through bh's past games. his filter resembles the ones where he is town and not the ones where he is scum | ||
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On June 03 2017 13:54 Grackaroni wrote: Disagree because his point in the first post was focused more on Tubesock's post being dumb than Tubesock being scum. this is specifically the post where i was cheering for grack. cheering is exactly the word i meant when i described how i read grack as town | ||
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On June 04 2017 10:21 Tubesock wrote: lol ok. I pretty much figured that part out when you said you looked at his previous games and said he's town...this isn't an explanation at all. You stalling or something? BH has done 0. I think he's had 1 actual real post of usefulness. Everything is mostly blowing Gracks "Lie" way out of proportion. It's hard for me to not see the world where both you are mafia, you jump on me for throwing suspicion on him, then back off because I am willing to fight. Then you weakly say you could lynch BH, but then retract for shit reasons. bh's scum games are just too much less involved to call this one of them. not only lower on posts but less actual content in his posts, less cases, etc. i hope my explanation was worthy of your blessed eyes | ||
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town bh grack tube town lean ritoky fidei vivax null conv hf onegu scummy btdt ls ask me about one of them and you'll probably get a halfassed two-liner, maybe | ||
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On June 04 2017 13:02 LightningStrike wrote: TW can you please explain to me why to jumped form scumreading TS to townreading him please? I rescinded my read based on him saying he couldn't keep up when I realized it was a joke, and his reaction to my read made it clear that he wasn't worried about being pushed | ||
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oh, and did I mention, Advanced Analytics™ | ||
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On June 04 2017 11:36 Onegu wrote: scrubed out of the battle cup. Really am reading and catching up now. take your time man I understand there is quite a lot to catch up to | ||
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On June 04 2017 23:35 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. You're on a phone 2. You're typing super long sentences with correct spelling and punctuation. 3. You go out of your way to even type "b/c" which on mobile should be harder to type then "because" You're either overly dedicated to correct spelling, punctuation, wording and what not - or you weren't typing from mobile and you're making excuses. now this is the kind of tunneling I like to see don't tell me scum is using these points against anyone, because they're not | ||
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On June 05 2017 02:00 Conversion wrote: PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Can you explain why you like BTDT's tunneling? I feel as if tunneling someone for weak reasons as above is more detrimental than not. btdt tunnels in what I'd call a "blind" way. as in, he's blinded by his own conviction, and that is something that nearly always comes from town | ||
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ls always has a couple posts where he is just did clueless when he's town, and this game he's not a scrub, just boring. | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: ???????I remember you at least tried to explain your reads a bit but it been absent this game except for your read switch on TS. i actually have explained my grack and bh reads, but hf just demands that i go into way more detail than i should have to. and everyone who i haven't given any sort of reasoning on is blendy as shit. like fidei. where is that guy, anyway? | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:30 Holyflare wrote: you think it was easier to reveal you were doctor instead of just answering the bh meta thing? yes i seriously doubt you were actually going to listen to anything i said, you were just looking for more things you could bash me on | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:35 Tubesock wrote: Half the games I'm in my D1 scum turns into a blue. Gah this is a good sign you're bad at reading people On June 05 2017 07:34 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm TW claimed doctor. Hmmm. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HOW CAN I JUSTIFY CONTINUING TO LYNCH TOWN | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:45 Vivax wrote: There's only one reason for BH to do nothing all game this openly: He's mafia. HF finds meta game where he does nothing all D1, then claims cop. Conclusion: BH does nothing as town when he's blue. He did nothing this game so he's town or blue. If he isn't the doctor, he is scum. He isn't ccing doctor, so he is scum. Put vote on BH, win gaem. when people make constant arguments about someone not doing anything, the argument is always terrible | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:48 LightningStrike wrote: He's confirmed town until someone cc's him. hint: No one did. thank you, ls. i appreciate that. you might be town who wants to murder hf for being a big meaniepants | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:49 Vivax wrote: Yes what has TL come to that active engaged players want to lynch others for doing nothing. Or is the issue that there are players doing nothing? i don't even agree with the claim that he's doing nothing. that's usually the flaw in that sort of argument, that they keep yelling about it and never turn around and realize the player actually did something. or they just write off everything as not a real contribution | ||
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probably town vivax bh tube maybe town, i guess ls grack btdt rit not even playing onegu fidei pb conv fuck that guy holyflare | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:55 Vivax wrote: If TW doesn't vote BH instead of HF I'm switching last minute to TW again. You have been warned. It's too late to pursue HF now. what are you talking about? we have an hour until deadline, anything can happen given a sufficient number of townies that aren't afk | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote: cool 0 mafia bye nah i put all the mafia in the 'fuck that guy' category assuming that another one is afk and one i'm overlooking, but not super town reading | ||
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On June 05 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote: half of the game has gone to bed which is why your claim was pants the only reason they even voted you is because you didn't explain the bh thing which even vivax found weird well if half the game has gone to bed then it seems i didn't do any harm. honestly i don't trust anyone in this game to make a good decision besides vivax, grack, and bh, even if i start shitting town rainbows. just lotsa people who read people for bad reasons. with two hours i can argue myself out of a 4-3 situation but not 6-2 without a claim | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote: Better me than a claimed blue I guess. this is a very town thing to say. not voting ls today | ||
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huh. i guess bh gets most of those town points. but i doubt ls is intentionally copying what a townie says, nearly word for word. the problem is all the townies who are around want to lynch other townies who are around, because everyone is still in their shitty tunnels | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:10 Onegu wrote: If they are being lynched you have to take it with a grain of salt. if you seriously go ahead and lynch me i will berate you all postgame. and whenever you join obs qt. it's like a concerted effort to do the worst possible thing d1 | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:14 Tumblewood wrote: if you seriously go ahead and lynch me i will berate you all postgame. and whenever you join obs qt. it's like a concerted effort to do the worst possible thing d1 i think doing the worst possible thing d1 is an intentional part of hf's town meta, so when he does the worst possible thing d1 as scum everyone will just shrug and say "well, he does the worst possible thing d1 every game, oh well" | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:21 Onegu wrote: Am I fucking voting you. Did I say I was going to vote you? Did I think you were scummy? YES I DID. Am I going to lynch the fucking UNCC blue day 1? NO!!!! I am saying your claim does need to be taken with a grain of salt. Just like any claim comeing from someone who is in the vote lead and then claims. well sorry but claiming my role and still being in the lead an hour later doesn't exactly put me in a good mood. actually kinda puts me on edge, if you would believe that. and it's not like there's any real town consensus building up that could not turn this day to shit. just townies running around trying to lynch other townies. i'm actually glad i'm going to die tonight because this town play is so atrocious. you know what would make me happy? if this town could take a deep breath, step back, and just policy lynch for a day. just once. because the way things are going we're going to lose are two towniest people before tomorrow | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:26 Holyflare wrote: Lynching the only person that has posted any meaningful cases this game is a really really smart move. you can't just write off all the cases anyone else has written just because you didn't write them | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:28 Holyflare wrote: town play is atrocious didn't want to respond to a simple post about what bh games he read to reach a read people want to lynch him for it town is playing atrocious fuck my life i'm 90% sure no one but you cares about the stupid bh meta thing | ||
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you might notice the parts where they post things, engage in the discussion, etc. dunno what you guys consider active but there's not much else you can as for | ||
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yeah, him or some other non-boneheaded policy lynch is basically all that i'm asking for. you could just call him fidei though. or even james, james is fine | ||
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no, it's me by a 3-2 margin 3-3 if tube and i both vote fidei | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:53 Grackaroni wrote: I'm going to consolidate to Prison Break. if you wanna consolidate vote fidei. he's probably the better lynch too, by a slight margin holy shit we only have 5 minutes left. where did the time go | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:54 Onegu wrote: Come on guys fword dude is on the fucking Uncc blue. Lynch him! all for this lynch but come on, he hasn't even been here since i claimed | ||
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On June 05 2017 08:56 Blazinghand wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Vivax ???????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:12 LightningStrike wrote: You sure he was green because all I see is red :o lmao this is the good shit. no one ever touch ls | ||
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On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote: LOL I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list this is almost as good of a dumbtell but it's so blatant it might be intentional. I have no idea whether pb would think to do that | ||
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On June 05 2017 13:48 Onegu wrote: Didnt make the B in blazinghand capital. Therefore he isnt the best. Onegu is the best! now this is what I call quality analysis! | ||
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bh, ls, onegu, ts and grack are all town hf and vivax are 50% mafia, but wait a day. if hf is alive by d3 kill him, if vivax is scum he'll probably fold by d3 pb and btdt are probably town. rit and conv have been generally overlooked, so idk stop overlooking them. very much possible that they're scum gl. if i die, assume it was for my reads and not my role | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:29 Holyflare wrote: I only wanted to reaction test you to make sure. But then I didn't even really believe myself. oh, I didn't even see your claim before I saw you rescinded it | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:34 Holyflare wrote: Why are you alive tw? well they roleblocked me so obviously they were okay with letting me live for a day. dunno if I'm just gonna die tomorrow or they're gonna keep doing this and try to lynch me. hopefully the former | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote: How could they try to lynch you? duh, by leaving me alive for a few more days and hoping people get suspicious of me. btw pb the rule is not always kill the blue if you have a roleblocker | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:41 Holyflare wrote: And then there's no blues or what?? You're saying, as the only claimed power role in the game, against 2 known power roles from mafia that we'd get you lynched? I don't know what their plan is, but it doesn't seem too outlandish that the scumteam might leave me alive for a few days and hope people think "why isn't he dead yet? hmm a little suspicioouuss" and lynch me. | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:45 Tubesock wrote: Vig should probably claim if they tried shooting someone. no way there was a vig shot, unless Onegu caught two bullets at once | ||
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On June 06 2017 10:47 Prison Break wrote: If we assume TW got rb'd tonight and rb can't target the same target twice, then he may get nightkilled tomorrow night no reason to assume the rb cannot target the same person twice in a row. actually we should assume they can. side note: we can confirm I was rb'd if no one else claims to be rb'd, because the person who is gets pm'd even if they're vanilla | ||
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On June 06 2017 11:01 Holyflare wrote: Fake claiming rb isn't unheard of. if anyone claims they were roleblocked they're lying. it even says in the op that you're explicitly told you were roleblocked even if you're vanilla. I was explicitly told that. | ||
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he's promised essentially to not do anything besides afk-vote hf today. time will tell whether this is the truth but if he does wait it out then this all seems an awful lot like my shitty fakeclaim from last game. + Show Spoiler + obviously vivax is not me but this is surely applicable enough HOWEVER i'm basically looking for an excuse to lynch holyflare at this point. honestly playing with him when i'm town always makes me angry unless we share the same top scumread. this projects to be less of a problem for today so maybe this is a moot point and, vivax's fake vet claim shows that this was not a response to anything. either a premeditated setup or the truth. idk, i am particularly bad at making claim plays, so i may be reading too much into this. all this is really saying that it's gonna take a good hard look through both of their filters to figure this out. that prospect worries me so i'm gonna do it tomorrow (tm) | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote: Tone: town Evidence/factual/logically: mafia Tone can be faked idk what's going on right now or why there are 13 new pages but I hate this post so much | ||
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On June 08 2017 04:54 Holyflare wrote: "I didn't read any of the game or anything that made this happen to have the post in context but gosh darn I really hate it!" unless the context is you're saying something you don't believe then ahhhhhhhhhhh like it doesn't mean anything but I hate when people play that way | ||
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ok. just ticked me off so much I couldn't ignore it before looking back at what happened | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:10 Blazinghand wrote: If he's town we should keep him alive, because our goal is to lynch scum, not town. I don't care about what he "deserves"—I want to win. However, he is scum. sorry, I get what you're saying, but even if I knew for a fact vivax was town I would still do this. not that I've ever seen a bad fakeclaim and didn't think the guy was likely mafia, but I have too much respect for myself to prioritize a slightly better chance of the win over letting people get away with this shit | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote: This is amazing. When Vivax had claimed: "Let's lynch the cop over the red-check" When Vivax unclaimed: "I think he's town but let's lynch him anyways" Take a step back guys and realize: we all townread Vivax apparently because what he did was bad as scum as well as as town. Like, really bad. Not just a bit bad. And while we all want to see blood, we won't fare well if we lynch a townie today. I'd lynch a lurker (yo, Prison Break, that's you) over Vivax any time. And of course I'll take the second nomination for worst player 2017 if it turns out I hard defended scum twice :D if you're scum and you have 6 votes on you a few hours from deadline are you just gonna stick with a claim no one believes? you've gotta do everything you can to make people second-guess it. | ||
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On June 08 2017 05:16 ritoky wrote: oh please with the white knighting "good gameplay". either you think he's mafia cuz there's no sense to the play as town and lynch him or you don't. I respect your opinion | ||
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I guess you're right, but I don't think it invalidates my logic. this isn't part of the response but I doubt a VT fakeclaims and acts like they can afk and people will listen to them. if this is a real hothead move then why not keep arguing it after your claim? | ||
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bh ls upstanding guys ts btdt rit grack hf? unscrupulous fellas pb conv bad dude vivax | ||
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everything lines up with hf being blue, except having a gf with no cop is a little weird. that could of course be one of those things they do to make the setup harder to figure out though | ||
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On June 09 2017 09:53 LightningStrike wrote: TBH though my balance thoughts: I don't think Doc Vig is actually a balanced at all because The vig could be blocked or the scum shot would be blocked by the doctor which makes shooting as vig pretty much throwing darts hoping they not hit a target that getting saved or shot by scum,. it is balanced. if the vig shoots a doc target or mafia NK the target is going to be town anyway and you wouldn't even want to hit them | ||
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BUT i'm guessing that in the world where hf is scum the other two must kind of be scrubs to not notice any sort of blue tell (pretty obvious as soon as he was skeptical of my claim and later when he said something about there only being one blue in the game), which then doesn't line up with ritoky being scum because ritoky is a good player. hmmmmmmmmm | ||
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- ritoky had grack as his #1 scumread two hours before deadline, and then claimed to have a green check on him later. much easier to not eliminate your top lynch candidate - hf had some blue tells that any experienced scummer should have seen (among players still alive, that's ritoky, grack, and me on a good day), yet didn't die either night and wasn't roleblocked either - hf didn't gain any advantage by hard claiming. he was hardly in danger of being lynched and still had his bullet. however, as scum he outs a blue and lynches potentially one or both blues | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:15 Conversion wrote: really? I read through ritoky and it seems his play seems to sort of center around his checks. D1 read on BTDT, claims him as scum. once he is unsure because of the emotional play, he checks BTDT, and drops the entire case on BTDT and gives small town reads on him afterwards. D2 ritoky argues with Grack, finds him suspicious, checks him. claims D3, confirmed cop. either he's mindfucking me and set this up since D1 with scum, or he's actually cop. I'm inclined to believe he's more cop than HF/TW lying about their claim. TW who did you try to save N2 and did you get RB'd? tried to save hf and got rb'd | ||
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--- a question for y'all: what is the advantage of claiming to get votes off of me on D1 if we go and lynch fidei anyway? consider that with my vote, grack's vote that followed mine, whoever was already on pb, and a scummate (unless you think pb is my scummate) we could have forced the switch onto pb D1 instead of fidei in the shenanny -- it's not like anyone but onegu cared enough to be picky between shenanigans. | ||
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this completely misses the point of what i says. of course a fakeclaim allows me to survive D1, but what is the advantage of that if we lynch fidei D1 anyway? a fakeclaim as scum is always a ticking time bomb so we might as well give fidei a shot if that's really the case | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:45 Conversion wrote: to my long post about mafia wanting to tunnel focus on lynching a blue: I made a mistake in the numbers. We're at 6-2 right now, if we lynch mafia we're at 5-1. At that point we can afford a mislynch, which puts town in a winning position if we dedicate to finding the last mafia before moving down the line between TW and HF. Unless ritoky is bamboozling us in which case we lose, but if he's not dead N3 he's probably scum we're at 7-2 right now and we have two mislynches to spare. if, worst case scenario, we lynch both the blues and then the scum, it's 2v1 lylo with the last scum and probably two scrubs. if we lynch one blue we have 4v1, which is not bad but again it's probably all scrubs. if we get it right the first time we're 6-1 and we have two mislynches to spare and a blue survives the NK. as for your second thing: if we lynch me today and ritoky doesn't die, hf could be scum and hoping to lynch him tomorrow. really not out of the question. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:55 Conversion wrote: oh okay, sorry. read that incorrectly. I guess it doesn't make sense that you would bus onto Fidei so readily instead of trying to get people onto a different train, but would your vote have made a difference? assuming two mafia are on the Fidei bus vote, who could you have convinced to hammer PB instead of Fidei? Also if BH saw people getting off the Fidei train, he most likely would have put his vote back in... like he said he was an "honorary" member and his entire argument was that the Fidei vote wasn't in danger. I'd have to read his D1 filter again, but I don't think he wanted to sheep any other vote. so you survive, you ride the Fidei vote to clear your blue claim, sets you up for a solid defense later in the game. check out the votes as they came in d1. you voted pb, and soon afterward i voted pb thinking that was the most likely shenanny. grack, apparently looking at an old version of the page, voted pb (following me) right after i switched back onto fidei. my scum partner absolutely could not be anyone but pb, ls, or ts. if it's pb this all makes sense i suppose. if it's ls or ts, they could make the vote total 3 on fidei in our favor before i switch, grack making it 4 and effectively making pb the only viable shenanny. | ||
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On June 09 2017 13:02 Conversion wrote: also can you explain why you wanted me or pb dead if you died somehow N2? like what makes us scummy. you haven't been playing this game at all, you haven't died with a doc claim, and now you're stuck in a spot where we have 3 blue claims with you having the least town cred and absolutely no credibility in helping the game move in any direction because i thought everyone else in the game was very townie and you two somewhat disappointing, like you were there but had a small thread presence. + Show Spoiler + i keep trying to reword that sentence to explain what i mean and it's very hard. i had some people i wasn't comfortable writing off just yet but who had overall looked pretty townie, and some who i had already written off, and you two. it's been a process of elimination sort of game for me. since then all of the backburner suspicions have either claimed or been green-checked by ritoky. i am 70% certain it's either hf/you or hf/pb, unless ritoky is lying. maybe ts could be scum? i think i wrote him off but then he stopped posting. | ||
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On June 09 2017 13:06 Conversion wrote: so why wouldn't BH immediately switch his vote onto Fidei if he saw that unfolding? he might but even with only him and onegu the pb wagon would still lead. i doubt ls voted fidei out of specific conviction and instead just jumped on the biggest non-me wagon, so it still works out in that scenario | ||
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On June 09 2017 13:19 Conversion wrote: so even at this point of the game you think LS has more thread presence than me? like his last few posts were literally nothing and his excuse was "I tend to sheep more as townie" which is absolute bollocks to me because I have no idea what you normally do as townie. for what it's worth I'm almost certain scum team is you and LS, but I'd rather have other people weigh in and read their decisions instead. If anyone wants to know my reason why I think scum team is LS and TW: Out of the 3 blues, TW is the most suspicious. This is the most active he's been because he realizes he can't just coast his doctor claim to LYLO and then win by convincing one of the townies. I actually think that Fidei might have been inactive and when the shenanny happened, LS and TW made an executive decision to bus Fidei instead of trying to swing a 6-2 (7-2 with BH if he's on Fidei) onto a townie and possibly fail. The fact that TW is completely ignoring LS town play and reading me, pb, and even tubesock before LS is suspicious to me. good night peeps I'll catch up on the thread tomorrow. i don't read ls off of thread presence or any of that. at some point in the first two cycles of a town game ls makes his alignment totally obvious with a post that misses the context of something in an overtly townie way. it's hard to explain but if you'd like i can point out the post that made it obvious for me this game. | ||
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On June 09 2017 12:27 Conversion wrote: OK here's the way I'm seeing it: Ritoky is actually cop. Reading through his filter and his claim, the play makes sense. It backs mafia into a corner because now they have to scramble to justify their fake blue claim and try to sheep town onto the correct claim. So it's basically HF vs Ritoky. Ritoky is very much likely to die N3 I think. If I was scum, I'd want to shoot Ritoky or RB him (if there is a roleblocker) to prevent any more information getting out for D4, otherwise we can just leave the blue shit behind us and find the last mafia and have ritoky check HF or TW and town wins the game. Obviously mafia won't do that, so we should focus on this day figuring out who is scummates with HF or TW, and lynching him. I might be wrong, but I think mafia may try to tunnel all their focus on pushing the focus of D3 into who is the blue claim liar, and try to misdirect town into mislynching the correct blue claim and killing off ritoky. I think that's the best mafia player here, which is why I suggest we pressure non-blue claimed players and finding the last scummate. More likely than not whoever is mafia is going to either fight really hard to keep attention off his last scummate, or bus him and try to play out of a 50/50 lynch chance with 4 townies and 1 scum. Any thoughts? I may be missing something i'm not staunchly opposed to the idea. there may be some advantage in allowing blue roles another night, because we either get a potential save, a cop check, a vig shot, or a dead (and thus confirmed) blue. if we do lynch a non-claimed blue today, i want it to be pb because i'm starting to think you're town and i just didn't pay enough attention to you. i'd give him a 60% chance of flipping scum, and then if he doesn't we try and solve the whole blue thing on d4. not a huge loss to ML today because whoever that is would probably have been MLed later in the game anyway. so yeah, that's a solid plan if everyone else isn't too busy trying to kill each other. | ||
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On June 09 2017 21:11 Holyflare wrote: And also around his claim you can 100% see I'm blue already calling him out. this is bullshit. you don't distrust a blue claim just because you're blue, that's not how it works. you distrusting me is just setup for a later claim | ||
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On June 09 2017 21:10 Conversion wrote: I never liked TW's blue claim and I don't like his play so I'm inclined to agree with you, but idk what the other town members think since no one else is talking :p if you scumread people because you don't like their play you will end up townreading hf 100% of the time and scumreading me 100% of the time. i get mislynched every other game because everyone hates my play so much | ||
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On June 10 2017 06:34 Tubesock wrote: To be fair, you could be lying and they RB'd the dead as they shot them. i realize now that this evidence has some holes in it | ||
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On June 10 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote: If you are doc then you should be calling out ritoky hardcore. why should i? | ||
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(correct me if i'm wrong to assume your skepticism was related to your role) why did being vig make you skeptical of my claim? | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:17 Holyflare wrote: But there's really 0 reason for me to claim at that point. If I'm mafia with someone I would have had a giant lynch pool of almost the entire game. There's simply 0 point to ne claiming now. that's clearly wrong? pre-claim your lynch pool was grack, btdt, ts, pb, conv, but you should have a strong suspicion that there's a cop in the game with two checks reducing that pool by up to three. post-claim you have one, maybe 2 lynches set up for you among people who weren't even in consideration and your pool outside of that is still three people. as mafia you gained mislynches from that play. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:21 Holyflare wrote: Look at it from mafia perspective. They have a gf, probably think there's a cop. Do they leave the blue alive forever blocking him knowing there's another blue going to wreck their shit? Or do they kill him? I'm pretty sure they kill him. you can rb the doc and try to kill the cop with your shot, or even leave him alive to allow a 3-way claim war. honestly that question is just stupid, of course that's a fine play. plus then when the other blue claims your shit would be wrecked anyway but now you get to waste another mislynch. seemed to work out fine for you. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:32 Holyflare wrote: I thought I was going to die last night almost 100%. I wanted to make sure I told people I didn't shoot so there couldn't be any confusion with rbs, wanted the other blue to claim today if there was one so I could figure it out. I was spending all last night filtering and metaing and came to the conclusion 90% of the game was town and couldn't figure out who mafia was. Making it increasingly likely yoir claim was fake. the reason you claimed was so you could tell people you didn't shoot? so there couldn't be any confusion with rbs? even though no one but me ever claimed to be roleblocked at any point? and why are you so suspicious of an unCCed blue who has not pushed any sort of mafia agenda? unCCed claim is 1000x stronger than filtering and metaing is in a PoE | ||
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??? no. i'm referencing the post where hf says he was 100% certain he was going to die last night. it makes sense to claim if you think you're about to get lynched, but if you think you're about to be NKed it's useless. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:45 ritoky wrote: alright fuck it bois. ritoky btdt grackaroni conversion PB we down to auto this shit? any objection? objection. it should go like this: hf -> (rit if that doesn't work) -> pb -> (conv if that doesn't work) -> (ts if that doesn't work) | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:51 Conversion wrote: possible mafia -> mislynch -> mislynch -> mislynch -> possible mafia game losing order right there the idea is you don't lynch the ones in parenthesis unless the guy in front of them flips town. and i disagree with the assertion that pb is a mislynch | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:32 Holyflare wrote: I thought I was going to die last night almost 100%. I wanted to make sure I told people I didn't shoot so there couldn't be any confusion with rbs, wanted the other blue to claim today if there was one so I could figure it out. I was spending all last night filtering and metaing and came to the conclusion 90% of the game was town and couldn't figure out who mafia was. Making it increasingly likely yoir claim was fake. let's start with the assumption that HF is town and the goal of his claim was to eliminate any confusion with roleblocks and inform the other blue that they should claim. if that is the case, then HF's claim didn't do shit. if he had died that night without claiming, the blue would still know what's up after seeing the flip, and everyone would have known that either i was RB'd, the person who died was RB'd, or no one was RB'd, because no one but me ever claimed to be roleblocked. so that part was useless too. that means that HF's claim was completely unnecessary for what he claimed he tried to do with it. | ||
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On June 10 2017 07:56 Conversion wrote: agree to disagree but I would never lynch PB over you ever well obviously i'm not putting myself on the auto list. you are free to insert me anywhere on the list you like, as long as it's at the back | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:06 Prison Break wrote: You claimed blue while you was going to get lynched And now you say blue never does that? Aka you're mafia no, you are completely misreading everything i said. read the post i just made that clarifies what i say in this post. i repeat: if you claim [non-cop] blue like HF did because you think you're about to get NKed, it's useless, but if you claim blue because you think you're about to be lynched, like I did, it makes sense. honestly, why would you ever interpret someone's post as them claiming mafia? | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:19 Prison Break wrote: He protected TW If HF flips vig, people will think HF got rb'd so TW was lying By saying he didn't fire, TW could still be rb'd So despite HF thinking TW is mafia now, this is extremely townie to do please. he already didn't shoot or claim RB N1. it is really not crazy to think that the same thing would happen again. you are either extremely town-tunneled on him or literally his scum partner | ||
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advantages of claiming: - people wouldn't assume he was RB'd and I was lying about that, which is only relevant if people actually assume that AND i'm blue. keep in mind i wouldn't even have to roleblock HF to be lying about being roleblocked disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us OR if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues - forces the other blue to out themselves early disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise pick one | ||
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if HF is town: advantages of claiming: *crickets* disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us OR if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues - forces the other blue to out themselves early disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise pick one | ||
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if HF is town: advantages of claiming: *crickets* disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone <<Never gonna shoot someone if we lose a mislynch>> still a disadvantage to not have the option but whatever - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check <<Narrows down lynch list because they have 2 checks and would be one of the players I'm not sure about>> presumably the cop is able to steer town away from a lynch they know is wrong, if necessary - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us <<Your fault for being crap all game and doing nothing.>> not a point, all you did was call me bad if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues <<True dat>> true dat - forces the other blue to out themselves early <<True dat.>> true dat disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise <<Main reason why i would never do it. I like to carry 100% of my games.>> are you telling me you'd never fakeclaim as scum? i haven't read all of your games but i am 90% sure you've done this as scum before | ||
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On June 10 2017 09:05 Holyflare wrote: I don't even know why you're fighting. I am quite happy to be lynched. Lynch me and then lynch tw if that is the case though. He made his bed by choosing to never question ritoky. what do you mean, i made my bed by choosing to never question ritoky? ritoky's actions are indicative of an actual cop reacting to checks and to the game around you. your actions are indicative of scum trying to set up a fakeclaim and mislynch a blue. and i'm not really in a position to attack anyone with 70% confidence, anyway. plus everyone knows you're not actually asking them to lynch you | ||
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On June 10 2017 09:00 Holyflare wrote: I wanted a claim war. And here we are, mission successful. forcing a claim war to happen earlier than necessary is never advantageous to town, and if someone's lying the claim war is always going to happen eventually I think pb made an excellent point earlier. You've gone full bs suspicion throwing and no game solving. if i tried to really deliberate back and forth all day instead of figuring out the most likely scum and sticking to it, i would be digging my own grave. so instead i solved the game as well as i could as soon as all the information was out and am now focusing my efforts on killing the 90% scum instead of the 100% doctor.Yoi saved me last night thinking I'm most likely to die but the instant i claimed i was mafia to you. It didn't make sense and it doesn't make sense. Ypu weren't even hesitant towards ritoky's claim despite the fact that there were inconsistencies (that I checked) in his scum reads to who he checked. I'm pretty sure you're mafia. i didn't think you were most likely to die last night -- i thought that was bh, who i was originally going to save -- but i fully expected to be roleblocked again, so i saved the person who i thought was most likely to die in circumstances that would lead scum to not roleblock me. that was you. i don't remember anymore why i thought the respect kill would be more likely to be wacky than the towniest-player kill, but that's what i went through. and then you claim that i instantly scumread you, not hesitating to townread ritoky? this is the first post i made following the claims: On June 09 2017 12:08 Tumblewood wrote: ritoky is the scum 90% of the time i think, looking at the claims. just so much setup on hf's part that it's hard to see him fakeclaiming. BUT i'm guessing that in the world where hf is scum the other two must kind of be scrubs to not notice any sort of blue tell (pretty obvious as soon as he was skeptical of my claim and later when he said something about there only being one blue in the game), which then doesn't line up with ritoky being scum because ritoky is a good player. hmmmmmmmmm not only do you see me scumreading ritoky initially, you might notice that i deliberate instead of attacking anyone. so your claims are provably false. and i remember seeing a post saying that his scumreads lined up, which reinforced my read. can't find it in thread anymore though. maybe it was his crumbs or grack pointing out where ritoky said he only knew vivax wasn't cop, and i'm misremembering that. didn't even see your post pointing out inconsistencies in his reads though | ||
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On June 10 2017 10:24 Holyflare wrote: Here's the thing. Tw is formulating a post right now and it will contain a quote of something i said last page and more accusations towards me despite me already asking to die. It's gonna be an empty post. He should be more interested in solving the game. nah, i'm just chilling right now. arguing for the last 3 hours has somewhat exhausted me, and i'm going to take a break from yelling at people. i'll probably start to really figure things out again as soon as you flip, because it's not a 100% certainty that you're mafia, and i'm not interested in spending time comparing pb, conv, and tube only to find out, say, that you're town and ritoky's checks are fake, or spend time analyzing btdt and grack only to see you flip scum. regardless of alignment i thank you for not continuing the shitshow i had going on | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:07 Holyflare wrote: Hey look another excuse for you to do nothing while everyone puts in work. gimme a break, man if you're in the mood to have an actual eye-to-eye discussion, can you explain some reasons why pb is town, or why tube is scum, or why ritoky might be scum? | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:10 Holyflare wrote: There's not a chance in hell you can think I'm mafia this game in comparison to the last. Not a chance. It's jist not possible. It's absolutely night and day difference. I'm unsure about a lot, I'm constantly reevaluating, I'm making and dropping reads like flies and I'm paranoid of a lot of dumb shit. No way you throw any of that away because of some hunch you have that i shoot someome despite it costing us potentially the game of course you're hf so you have to be arrogant all the time, but you're not competing against yourself from last game. i'd be lying if i said i'm totally convinced you're mafia, but i truly think ritoky has the more believable claim. + Show Spoiler [read this only if you are the vigilante] + sorry | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:13 Holyflare wrote: Like wtf literally last oage for tube and all game for the others. if you're me, tube's been dope as fuck today. i've looked at all of them and come to a different interpretation than you, so i want to make sure i'm not missing something big about them. ideally not working on an assumption of your alignment | ||
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but i will look into ritoky and pb some more. thanks for answering me even though you probably wanna kill me right now | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:35 Holyflare wrote: Tumblewood there's one SURE FIRE way to prove you're town here. enlighten me | ||
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On June 10 2017 11:56 Conversion wrote: why are we lynching HF first when lynching TW gives just as much information. if TW flips doctor insta lynch HF tbh. if TW is mafia, we're in a winning position. if we lynch HF and he flips vig, we instalynch TW, but then we lose HF as a member of town and he doesn't get a chance to use his shot. if HF + ritoky are both town, mafia has to make a decision to leave one alive. most likely will kill ritoky and RB HF so he doesn't get his shot off. I really don't like lynching HF over TW if we're lynching inside of blues the goal is to lynch the mafia one first. especially given that we give virtually the same information | ||
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On June 10 2017 12:00 Holyflare wrote: So you looked through his most recent scum games of 20 pages + etc you looked through his town games as well as a town game from 5 YEARS ago and concluded that he does way more as town than mafia. Even though that is false when you look at this list? You also made that meta read when he had lile 1-2 pages of just pointless spam. What made you town read him? Furthermore you posted that post just now within 10 minutes and it's a tiny non committal throwaway but somehow you'd much rather claim cop day 1 and call us all bad instead of spending 30 seconds writing thr same thing then. Why? FUCK YOU this is the exact reason i didn't do it then. i'm not dealing with this shit | ||
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On June 10 2017 22:36 Conversion wrote: TW what about you? I think I remember you saying it's between PB, me l, and ritoky and can I get an actual argument because none of you are persuading me to lynch HF over TW right now if hf is scum it is pb for sure. have you noticed how they turned into the same person now that hf is fighting me? and i have many actual arguments, in my filter. especially the ine where i detail the pros and cons of hf's claim as both alignments. i think that's page 8 of my filter | ||
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On June 11 2017 00:28 Conversion wrote: I think I mentioned that I wanted to find Mafia outside of the claims and you mentioned the scenario you just did now but the discussion didn't really gain any traction (partly my fault as people did make comments on it and I didn't pursue) the problem i've run into finding mafia outside of the claims is that ts makes 0 sense with hf but total sense with ritoky. whereas pb makes tons of sense with hf but is way to tryhard if ritoky's scum. plus grack and btdt might be mafia, but only with ritoky. i'd rather not vote someone based on an assumption about someone else's alignment. | ||
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On June 11 2017 03:07 ritoky wrote: i haven't seen objections to my auto circle. um hello + Show Spoiler + tubesock likely town, pb likely mafia. both of them ended up hard defending one of me and hf but you've gotta go with the one defending mafia | ||
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On June 11 2017 07:37 Holyflare wrote: Soz if you're town tw, don't think you are though. you're not | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:58 Tumblewood wrote: so this is what's really going on if HF is town: advantages of claiming: *crickets* disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us OR if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues - forces the other blue to out themselves early disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise pick one speaks for itself. if this doesn't convince you then i give up, because clearly nothing i say is getting through | ||
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On June 11 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote: You didn't have a choice on fidei he was a random good wagon with no brakes the shenanny had no brakes but the only person who actually card about it being fidei was onegu. i had the opportunity to call for pb's lynch or even conv's lynch but you'll notice that every time i brought it up i showed a clear preference for fidei | ||
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On June 11 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote: Why do you, as town, claim doctor instead of giving your bh meta response? a bh meta response wouldn't have moved a single vote off me and you know that. | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:58 Tumblewood wrote: so this is what's really going on if HF is town: advantages of claiming: *crickets* disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us OR if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues - forces the other blue to out themselves early disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise pick one | ||
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On June 10 2017 08:58 Tumblewood wrote: so this is what's really going on if HF is town: advantages of claiming: *crickets* disadvantages of claiming: - effectively gives up any chance of shooting someone - if i'm scum, forces the other blue to claim unnecessarily early, denying a potential cop check - if i'm blue, allows scum to make a play and potentially lynch both of us OR if HF is mafia: advantages of claiming: - lynches one, potentially two blues - forces the other blue to out themselves early disadvantages of claiming: - dies earlier than he might have otherwise pick one | ||
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On June 11 2017 08:17 Holyflare wrote: How the fuck does it not matter? It's a game of imperfect information and you check all avenues. You call 90% of the game town and I wanted an explanation on a read that to me doesn't make sense and in fact when I checked didn't even make sense. So then I formulate the question to you and you can't respond. Gg no re. speaking of checking all avenues, why weren't you posting at 5:29 this morning? and why did you fail to consider bh's lower words per post in his most recent scum game than the two town games preceding it? | ||
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On June 11 2017 08:33 Prison Break wrote: Why are you still interacting with / getting mad at someone who you think is scum? Or do you think it's Ritoky? Like if you think it's HF - why not focus on others to convince them. Tbh I feel bad about lynching you but at the same time all evidence I find does point towards you and not HF / Ritoky. really. all the evidence you find points toward me. even the sick case i posted. w/e the only reason i'm interacting with hf is to defend myself. like if i just let him attack me and don't say anything how do you think that's going to turn out? and also most other people are afk | ||
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