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I also want to know, for the people who scumread me and say my vote wasn't on Fidei etc:
is there any advantage to be gained for me as mafia to name someone as my #2 suspect, and then not vote him (despite myself being a possible lynch at that point, so if one of us dies it's better to give the other towncred by voting him)? wouldn't that be the first thing to look into
I'm saying, if I wanted to bus Fidei I probably would've voted, and if I didn't want him dead I probably wouldn't have said he's a good vote + my #2 scumread
For example in generic mafia where I "bussed" HF I actually voted him. I also said I dislike bussing. and he kept saying he liked the pressure etc. and was ok with it, so the situation is different. and I hadn't mentioned TW iirc until he got redchecked so that wasn't really saying anything either. I also wasn't comfortable with scumreading other people cause I barely knew them, but right now I am more familiar with the meta + I recognize players such as HF/LS/Grack etc. so it's not like I'm in the dark here and forced to bus
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I mean with regards to HF I can't get further than "he should never be hard townread based on his scumgame" + "he seems to have called a lot of people mafia in some way or another"
which doesn't seem like a strong reason to scumread him
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On June 09 2017 04:04 Holyflare wrote:
Didn't someone say he did that as scum though? Where was that
Grack said that, to which I said "Grack+btdt aren't a team"
On June 06 2017 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure Btdt rage quit for an entire cycle in the last game he won as scum
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I think the most suspicious thing is here who even believes beentheredonethat scumreads me despite me playing differently from last game?
Like he's just tunneling me at this point. I want to believe he's town but I don't think he is. It also doesn't help that I have many townreads as well, I should look into them again in case I'm wrong on BTDT/conversion
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like I'm not saying scum would always town or scumread me, but the reason has to be genuine, and it seems like btdt is kind of pissed off that I actually came in here to defend myself etc. and people are starting to townread me now. like he doesn't want to let go but he doesn't feel comfortable continuing his push either. but he never really reconsiders. I don't even know what he scumreads me for anymore
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I have conversion and btdt scum
I have the others town
But willing to look into my townreads again
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Good response from beentheredonethat on page 98
Reconsidering my scumread on him
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On June 09 2017 06:05 Conversion wrote:
I wrote some thoughts down today without editing or whatever so I guess I'll post it here.
players alive:
BTDT
Grack
ritoky
Holyflare
Blazinghand
Prison Break
LightningStrike
Tumblewood
Me!
BH/HF dies, or after N2 and someone else dies:
Tumblewood:
Need Tumblewood to “claim” who he saved. Was he RB’d again? Typical setup I assume includes a Mafia RB with a doctor—although, could he be scum saying he got “RB’d” to get a free townie pass? Brags about how good he is at mafia, flies under the radar, names people for an optimal lynch, but just hides under his doctor claim and really does nothing.
Pretty shaky at best if doc/RB doesn’t exist (I have no idea how setups work, so yell at me if I'm being stupid pls), when do we stop giving him a free pass because of his doctor claim, or do we just buy into him being doctor and not contributing to the game with his godly mafia skillz (self-proclaimed)
BH/HF:
Whichever one of BH/HF dies I’m inclined to look into, as both are pretty much in control of town’s direction and information. Very strong possibility of them working together for an endgame by establishing themselves as town leaders (although might be unlikely with the Fidei lynch.. although HF and BH both were not at the beginning of that wagon. this is a speculation at best I’d need to flesh it out more as BH pushed Fidei iirc)
Good possibility of TW-BH/HF team as well. Doctor claim could have been instrumented.. idk this is getting pretty tin foil hatty so I’ll stop
BTDT and PB might be just two townies bickering at each other at who is more scummy. TBH I’m not really suspicious of either of them. PB isn’t actively pushing for anything except replying to BTDT and BTDT is just tunneling in on PB. Not sure(?) why he’s not pursuing anyone else if there’s five people on his list, but eh.
Between these two I’m still more wary of BTDT, but his play seemed much better D2? Still flashes of his D1 “I’m insulted and I’m going to rage” in his last few posts, but honestly dude push other people than PB. You two are shitting up the thread by bickering with each other like HF and Vivax usually did. Push me, push LS, push anyone else on your list and stop quitting halfway through when people argue back. Why do you quote your list of 5 people that are unsure, go “this is a good list” and then not do anything but tunnel on PB for like 10 posts?
Tubesock is still my top town read.
Grack I still have no idea how to read. Lots of jokes, questions, a back and forth with ritoky, jabs here and there, more jokes. shrug. wants to lynch between me and ritoky and I’m town soo what makes me scummy and worthy of a D3 lynch Grack? How about ritoky? especially if you mislynch D3 you’re at LYLO (3 town 2 mafia, is LYLO, right?), assuming TW gets "roleblocked" again and we don't save anyone.
LS just seems lazy.. or doesn’t care as much. I know I stopped caring about D2 basically because game was unfun and I left it to grind other games. hopefully he’ll say more once we get the NK info and on D3.
I want to believe ritoky is town but I might just be biased because he guided me to make reads and helped me make attempts to contribute with reads, but his posts since then have been less than good.
Honestly after N2 I want to hone in on whatever TW is doing because it’s not much (if he’s not dead). I’m not sure why he’s being so inactive if being RB’d means he gets to live and make a lot of good townie plays with him not being NK’d if Mafia are just content. Whoever dies between BH/HF might be scum, but seems a little far-fetched, imo.
I may be wrong on both my scumreads
If btdt vs me is town vs town, then conversion gets major town points for pointing it out, because trying to get one killed means the other will follow after the townflip. I rule out: conversion scum BTDT town.
Both could still be scum
But I'm starting to wonder if both could be town as well
This post seems townie
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On June 09 2017 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
I'm having an issue of whothefuckismafiaitis.
This x 100
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I have no scumreads I'm going to look into grack vs ritoky again or people such as LS although I remember townie things
Almost every player had done something to make me townread them - any chance both scum bussed Fidei or something? That would explain a lot
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On June 09 2017 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'm gonna lynch prison break because only bad guys need to break out of prison.
Did you watch prison break
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On June 09 2017 07:02 ritoky wrote:btdt mafia cuz: - his logic is backwards for a townie. he instantly snap makes conclusions, then seeks out justifications; read his defense of vivax, or his accusation of me. he post-fact creates a narrative to suit his conclusion.
- he states that HF is mafia for not sharing his read that fidei is town, but then after fidei is mafia he says "he had no strong read on fidei". if his read was not strong, then why was HF mafia for not sharing his read?
- he tried to have the shennanies land on PB, not fid. if you go look at the timings, the only vote on fid is 1gu, then he goes to place his vote on PB and try to steer votes there. while he is typing this, tubesock and TW vote on fid. after his post, he immediately "sheeps TW" on fid and rescinds basically all mention of PB other than 1 post in which he says "i had a bunch of people i don't care about and you were one of them"
- he claimed to have thoroughly read my filter, when he made a "case" on me, but was magically unaware that the thing he found me primarily suspicious for was something i had said 48 hours prior and he didn't think shit about it then.
- his defense of vivax came from a place that made absolutely 0 sense and reeked of TMI
Ok this is a strong case
But grack is playing pretty townie outside of this, moreso than others, or so you disagree with that?
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On June 09 2017 07:57 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:On June 09 2017 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:On June 09 2017 07:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
(but then again, the onegu kill was already super weird) why see this guy making the night kills no like in my view onegu was a natural choice, right? he lead the fidei wagon and was universally townreaded. why is it weird that he was killed?
Because TW claimed blue is all I can think of
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On June 09 2017 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I think some of Ritoky's accusations are fine.
I thought Fidei was town earlier in the day because he was pestering me for reads in a way that I thought would be coming from a townie. That impression wore off over time and I can agree with that being scummy.
I clearly was sheeping Tumblewood from like Onegu to PB to Fidei and for some reason he interprets that as me having a boner for PB. Maybe a misunderstanding. Maybe purposely misconstrued.
Then there are other things that are fluffed up nonsense that I think he says because he thinks they sound good rather than because he thinks they are good. Making snap conclusions and then justifications to suit my narrative is one of them, since what mafia plays like that?
This is also a good defense
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On June 09 2017 07:09 ritoky wrote:
i also think that if grack flips mafia, pb is never mafia; but step 1 first.
And if he Flips town?
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On June 09 2017 07:54 Holyflare wrote:
yeh I saw criminals breaking out of prison
mafia scum!
Lol
Season 5 just came out - pretty good
I have random names on different sites so people don't instantly recognize me. Although I doubt anyone here would know me anyway.
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On June 09 2017 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
I didn't shoot because I think it took away a mislynch if I missed and I couldn't be fucked with no information. I claimed because I was paranoid of a few things:
TW being mafia because he's doing absolutely shit all while a lot of people in this game I think are town.
Me being killed and people thinking I shot tonight but got rb.
You actually think TW is mafia? So why didn't you shoot him then? Or does another blue need to claim first before you think that
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On June 09 2017 12:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2017 12:06 Conversion wrote:On June 09 2017 12:05 LightningStrike wrote:On June 09 2017 12:00 Conversion wrote:On June 09 2017 03:17 LightningStrike wrote:
If you are vig shoot into me HF or BH.
If you are a cop check into me HF or BH.
That way the game is solved easier for us. Here's the actual quote if you want it Me so I wouldn't be a question mark BH so we got better info about Day 1 HF so we know if he's town or not since he plays a strong scum game. ya but let's say the cop was BTDT and he had 5 question marks. why check you over any of the other 5? He was having second thoughts on me I think? Just so he get a confirmed read right. At least I know PB was having second thoughts sort of about my alignment.
more as in "idk who's scum"
anyway I think HF looks good because when he retracted his blue claim I immediately thought he was still blue and just retracted it to dodge a nightkill
hard to believe everyone wanted TW dead and then switched to fidei lol, so I'll look into ritoky first
but we also have to look into the order in which the claims happened etc.
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On June 09 2017 12:19 Tumblewood wrote:
i take back ritoky being scum 90% of the time. it's hf and here's why:
- ritoky had grack as his #1 scumread two hours before deadline, and then claimed to have a green check on him later. much easier to not eliminate your top lynch candidate
- hf had some blue tells that any experienced scummer should have seen (among players still alive, that's ritoky, grack, and me on a good day), yet didn't die either night and wasn't roleblocked either
- hf didn't gain any advantage by hard claiming. he was hardly in danger of being lynched and still had his bullet. however, as scum he outs a blue and lynches potentially one or both blues
If HF was scum he thought vivax was real because the redcheck was real
If vivax was real and about to die he didn't have to counterclaim to out a blue either because TW + vivax + HF is already 3 blues
I'm not sure if the claim changed anything other than vivax rescinding immediately and HF after that as well. If HF wasn't in danger why would he fake? vivax was already "outing" the blue, idk if HF's claim changed anything there
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