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If Moosy confirms before the game starts put him in instead. | ||
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On May 10 2017 09:13 Palmar wrote: LS is town and we have like 90% winrate together. GG mafia Nice try Palmar. I'm not going to forfeit that easily... | ||
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On May 10 2017 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think he would approach the game as he does atm (or did last night) as mafia. How do you think he would approach the game as mafia? | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:09 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet On May 10 2017 14:56 Grackaroni wrote: How do you think he would approach the game as mafia? We made some quality posts and you hurt our feelings Rayn... | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: What exactly are the quality posts you three made? They looked kinda like this: On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote: Secund. On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote: Who scum? On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote: I'm glad that's settled <3 | ||
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I don't see what you see on any of the reads, but I'll probably just sheep what people say on LS. | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: As in you think i am mafia? I never said that... | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you literally said you had a "similar response" than Holyflare and Tumblewood did and Holyflare apparently thinks i am mafia so what are you saying then? That Holyflare doesn't actually think i am mafia? I doubt HF has much of a read on you one way or another. I think it's more of a "What the fuck did PALMAR do to get a town lean and not me?" | ||
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On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions? My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel. | ||
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On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you play the game instead of this shit? Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it? Those posts are all responding to you... | ||
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I never acted like I was making some earth shattering revelation. If any conclusion there might be slight town points for reacting similarly to me after seeing your list. | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:19 Grackaroni wrote: lol this is what happens when you leave out just me/HF/TW from your town list. We made some quality posts and you hurt our feelings Rayn... On May 10 2017 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean Holyflare and Tumblewood's reaction? I was never expecting you to make any earth shattering revelation. I was expecting you to make any sort of conclusion which you didn't until prodded for it (now) several times. Your first post looked more like you tied yourself onto two other people and you made a "conclusion" which was more like "look here is something other people can call rayn scum for and i don't have to" -- basically you took some things that "aligned with your thoughts" and kind of prodded other people to do the ddirty work for you. I mean it's like.... Everyone has a gun with no ammo and you're the only one with any. Then you just happen to drop bullets on the floor and when someone shoots you can say "but see i didn't kill anyone". That is very typical mafia behavior Grackaroni, and that's why i questioned you for it, especially since there is absolutely no reason for me to call all those four people town and leave you three out as mafia. I don't make up shit as mafia. Nailed it. | ||
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I think you're right, it probably isn't very alignment indicative either way. I may have ignored it or questioned your reads or pretty much anything really. The only reason I said anything was because I found it interesting that after leaving us off your reads list we were the next 3 to post all questioning you. And before you post again, interesting as in - Oooh a butterfly! Not: the game is solved! | ||
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On May 10 2017 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: No but seriously Grackaroni. I can't follow the logic of your post earlier. Why do you single out a retarded vote on me and some random other questions? What are you trying to achieve like that? Basically, what are you trying to do, as i can't find a single reason why you would be acting like that as town atm... If you think my reads are bad, fine. I don't expect people to necessarily agree with my read on fuba (or Damdred), and i don't care. I just lay out what i think. You on the other hand seem like you are for some reason like.. idk.. threatening me (?) to make a read, or a different read. Why is that? If you're just trolling, then stop. Tumblewood can be town too though. Mainly because i am pretty sure he would have questioned my Damdred read aswell in case he was scum. So how does this work exactly? Are you saying that Scum Tumblewood would include Damdred so that people won't be able to solve the game through associations? I don't get how I was scummy for dropping bullets on the floor and HF is scum for voting you but you don't mind Tumblewood questioning your read and then disappearing while we take fire for it. | ||
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On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: How about you play the game instead of this shit? Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it? On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ![]() Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff. rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia. Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion? | ||
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On May 10 2017 17:34 Palmar wrote: If you think he is town why are you pestering him? How did I pester him!? I was a perfect gentleman. | ||
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On May 10 2017 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. I was attacking you because you didn't seem to have a conclusion. You should have had one (since you made a post that indicated so in the first place). When you told what your conclusion is, it didn't make any sense. I have never said you shouldn't have any conclusion because i figured you must have one -- otherwise the first post made no sense at all. People can obviously make dumb/wrong conclusions, that doesn't make anyone mafia. I just wanted to know where you were coming from and the more we discussed it the clearer it became to me where you are coming from and that it makes probably more sense from town perspective. I think that's fair. | ||
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On May 07 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: You shouldn't, me Palmar and Holyflare will fuck up and kill each other and you'll just cruise to victory. ![]() We seem to be right on track here atm. I think we should all just chill out a little bit. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:06 Palmar wrote: You're still at it, you literally just said something is fishy about some of his posts. This could be just a poor choice of words by you, but if you believe that "Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel", rayn is 100% town to you 100% of the time. Mafia does not go into rage induced tunnels. They might fake it, and there is usually evidence they are faking it. It's especially unlikely someone whose play is as refined as rayn's (well, as refined as a bludgeon can be) would go on a tilt as scum. So either you must say that he's indeed NOT on a rage induced tunnel, but rather attempting to play one, or that he's town. There is no world where rayn is scum in a rage induced tunnel. Also I don't like this pseudo-alliance-making. The order of the posts is important there. Obviously my reads aren't set in stone. If I notice something that doesn't seem to add up I'm going to question it. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:13 Palmar wrote: Yes, but you've kept sort of poking him, which is bound to do nothing productive if you think he's town. Are you claiming that when you wrote "he's in a rage induced tunnel" you thought he was town, and then when you "something is fishy" you were back on leaning scum? I'll go back and read the timeline later but using a timeline defense doesn't sounds like it adds up. Ok. At first I didn't have a read on him. Then when he kept pushing me his reaction seemed like an angry town tunnel (which is what I think is going on with his HF read) Then after he backed off it gave me some weird vibes, but I think his POV makes sense. | ||
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This has been one of my most tame shit fights. | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:45 Palmar wrote: nice. meta and appeal to other players defense. noted. Well you can do whatever the fuck you want. I've put enough time defending myself today. Is your Rayn read real or fake? | ||
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On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote: I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered. Noted. | ||
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On May 11 2017 00:06 Prison Break wrote: I don't like this post You come in here, don't take sides or stances, make a general comment to seem townie and helpful by solving a fight (yet you don't really solve it, because you set it up in a way that you keep all your options open), then you leave again (?) Your vote is on Fuba, yet you lack explanation, again, leaving your options open. You could go "it was pressure" or "it was a joke" or "RVS", but at the same time if a wagon on fuba starts you could spin it like it was your intention all along I think you're scum This guy is probably town. | ||
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On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote: lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum I'm also liking TW. It seems townie to me that he's making the read that nobody else can understand, and this is the kind of approach to reading people that I'm used to seeing from him as town. | ||
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On May 11 2017 03:42 Vivax wrote: And Grack what's that quality post thingy lmao, not sure if you started out serious and then realized most of you didn't even post a single substantial thing yet or if you were shitposting from the beginning No my thought process was that the whole game was shit posts at that point. | ||
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On May 11 2017 04:41 Holyflare wrote: And what about his read on me? He basically dropped a bunch of shit saying something he can't possibly believe and then ignored all his reasons for it and said nothing more about it. Alsoooo do you have any suspicion that rayn is mafia right now? What did he say about you that he couldn't possibly have believed? Rayn always has the potential to be mafia but I think he's townier than a lot of other people right now. I'm not looking to lynch him today. | ||
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On May 11 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote: Eh I'm looking into grack and tw mostly. HF doesn't seem like mafia, nor do rayn and Palmar at first glance. So I'm mostly not paying attention to the posts they adress at each other. So much for how caught up I am. Not fully, I'd like to see Grack explain his posts in the rayn convo cause they don't make much sense to me atm. What would you like to talk about What bothers you about them? | ||
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On May 11 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote: This is quite blatantly a jab at me trying to throw shade in my direction without actually reaching the conclusion he's blatantly saying. If I'm "looking for an excuse to blow up" then by definition he thinks I'm mafia because why would I need an excuse as town to do anything? But then I have no follow up to that post I made which follows the other conclusion he wrote that I followed it and saw it was a joke. The entirety of this post is calling me mafia for doing what he thinks a towny would do. If he didn't realise I haven't posted any follow up then why is he not pushing it and calling me mafia for blowing up at a troll post? If he knows I haven't said any more then why is this post here? It is basically drivel that has no conviction and with no follow up from himself is baaaaad. What he's saying is that as town you never would have made the post in the first place. I think Rayn called out that post too after you made it. | ||
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On May 11 2017 04:55 Vivax wrote: For starters I wanted to know if by similar posts you meant the quality posts you mentioned earlier or something else cause it just looks like something you put out there that simply isn't true. I switched the names because Rayn wanted to know what quality contributions I had made and I was trying to show the standard that we were being compared to. (Fuba's filter) I don't actually think we were making high quality posts, just that other people weren't either. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote: That's exactly what I just said. He's calling me mafia but said absolutely nothing about me being mafia or cared to follow it up. I literally dropped that post straight away when I realised. I even made a post about it: And he's been back since and said nothing! Nothing! You think I'm his mafia read or what? Probably | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote: When i looked in the people's filter and saw that none of those quotes existed. Grack: Not voting (10) - Damdred, fuba,Vivax, Tumblewood, Prison Break, Skynx, Grackaroni, Palmar, darthfoley, LightningStrike Why? Jesus who cares. You're being very nitpicky. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:06 Vivax wrote: Okay that explains the stuff about quality posts of which I wasn't sure whether it was a joke. But this? You say that tumble and fuba had a similar reaction to yours,but fuba and TW didn't react at all to the knowledge that they're not in a town list,at that point, just you. So aside from this being defensive and looking like you're trying to mask your reaction by comparing it to theirs, it's also simply not true. Tumble asked why Fuba. I also asked why Fuba. HF voted Rayn. Those were the next 3 posts after his list. That's why I said something. You're the one saying things that aren't true. | ||
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Mafia want to be seen making reads. I think they're a lot less likely to say that they have a few weak reads but that they aren't going to show them. | ||
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He's mafia and he has reads but he isn't interested in picking up any cred from showing them. Or he's mafia and he has no reads but thought it would be a good idea to claim that he has reads and not elaborate on them. #1 seems by far the most likely to me. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:22 Skynx wrote: Then what do you make of this? No matter what LS says I've seen him do this before as mafia. I don't think in any case posting reads is bad. If they are bad reads you get pressured and explain them. If they are good reads you form a town circle, simple. I could see Damdred saying that as mafia. I don't read much into it either way. | ||
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I say he's been hooked on the lynch bait. ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote: Tw, vivax, someonelikeslorgrackforwantingtosheepraynbutprobablystillsl Gggggggs Kill the Vivax! Then if he flips scum we can kill Palmar because free kill. | ||
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Palmar just likes being an asshole. These two are just trying to hop onto the person burying themselves, and they both did a super weak job of pushing it. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:49 Vivax wrote: Without trying to be nitpicky, but if you think you're burying yourself, you should say so. As in, if you think you did scummy shit, then it's worth mentioning what you think that scummy shit was from your own perspective. It would help explain why you were so defensive earlier at the very least cause when I saw the post I answered with ??? to, I already wanted to go look for a gif of a folding chair collapsing. It's not that I think I've done anything scummy. I made 1-2 trollish posts at the start of the game and have spent about 5 hours explaining them to people because people don't understand what I was saying. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Why is df mafia? I think he had a legit good call out on you grack. You just dropped everything and ran away and it wasn't fight to the death tunnel grack. Was a good read. I'll argue if I think the other person is actually arguing to play mafia. Palmar was just deliberately trying to antagonize me, while referring to himself as a troll, so there was no point in me sticking around and getting more pissed off talking to him. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote: Do you even know what DF said? Seems like you're the one throwing crap in someone's direction now. His read was about you and Rayn and how you were basically bending over to Rayn's beck and call instead of being obstinate and fighting. Which is a good correct read. Rayn asked questions. I answered them. When I saw things I found weird I questioned him. I think Foley's reason is probably better than Vivax's. Even I'm not crazy enough to provoke Rayn over some silly post I didn't even care about. Also, DF had also called me out for not arguing with Palmar. So.... You. Shit. Thrown. Direction. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:35 Holyflare wrote: You say df/vivax are mafia because they jump on you in the rayn/grack fight poorly to bandwagon. Df has legit reasons that you say are not awful. I reference those. You mention about his palmar read. Ok. Bai. You're just making yourself look scummy at this point. | ||
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On May 11 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Why is df mafia? I think he had a legit good call out on you grack. You just dropped everything and ran away and it wasn't fight to the death tunnel grack. Was a good read. I respond to argument about Palmar. On May 11 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote: I'll argue if I think the other person is actually arguing to play mafia. Palmar was just deliberately trying to antagonize me, while referring to himself as a troll, so there was no point in me sticking around and getting more pissed off talking to him. Then you go "Aha! You don't even know the post! Seems like someone's just flinging shit..." On May 11 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote: Do you even know what DF said? Seems like you're the one throwing crap in someone's direction now. His read was about you and Rayn and how you were basically bending over to Rayn's beck and call instead of being obstinate and fighting. Which is a good correct read. Nope. Bullshit. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:37 Holyflare wrote: And we all know what happens when you think that ![]() You gave a half assed Vivax read saying you don't hate him so he's mafia. What are your real thoughts on him? | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:47 Holyflare wrote: No i was referring to your meek rayn posts where you were all "yes, sir, anything you want, sir!" and then had no follow up and left the thread without fighting for anything to do with it. I don't care about your crappy palmar interaction in this specific post. My vivax read is what I said. He's done not much but I didn't hate the little he's done because it's inquisitive but shit inquisitive that isn't driving anything. It makes sense and isn't farfetched so I'm paranoid of him being mafia. It's not much, no. Good post. Please quote me having no follow up and leaving the thread. I can wait. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote: In comparison to Grackaroni thread warrior that never drops anything, Grackaroni subservient thread cop is a stark contrast. lol I was trying to help you because it seemed like he was only voting you because you voted him. | ||
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But feel free to quote me having no follow up and leaving the thread.\ It didn't happen as you say it happened, so it may take a while. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present. Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you. I think the point here is that you have the red banana and everybody knows it. | ||
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Palmar says I was being too prickly to Rayn DF says I wasn't being prickly enough with Rayn You like both of their contributions because they both dislike me? | ||
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I'll be back to finish this later. But I totes didn't have no follow up and leave the thread. | ||
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On May 11 2017 07:02 Damdred wrote: Actually i'm curious what do you make of Palmar and DF having the exact opposite conclusions at this point about that interaction. Do you think there is some sort of connection in review? Or? No I think it's just been the most polarizing event in thread and people make different conclusions. I don't really think you can agree with both points, however. | ||
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On May 11 2017 07:04 Holyflare wrote: That's not true. Palmar said you're prodding rayn (pointless fight with pointless questions) when what you wrote suggests you town read rayn. DF says you have no backbone and aren't actually fighting, which is true because you were pointlessly submissive and not actually determining his alignment. Both independently good points. Opposites. | ||
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Bad posts. No relevant content to add at all. Noted. | ||
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On May 11 2017 09:38 Tumblewood wrote: ok that last bit wasn't quite true but it is true that all of his non-df analysis is predicated on him not understanding obvious jokes Is he the one that thinks your LS post was too serious? | ||
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I tried to explain the timeline to you earlier and then you gave me an asshole response. | ||
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On May 11 2017 21:51 Palmar wrote: hah nailed you non-explaining scummerino You think you're getting reads from doing shit like this but they're actually terrible. | ||
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On May 11 2017 21:07 Palmar wrote: to calling rayn's posts rage induced tunnel (implies grack believes rayn = town) to making a "this is fishy" post against rayn (implies grack believes rayn = scum) | ||
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On May 11 2017 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: We should lynch darthfoley. And its quite weird Palmar doesnt understand how "timelinewise" Grackaronis posts regarding his stance on me make perfect sense. I'm thinking we should lynch Damdred | ||
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On May 11 2017 22:16 Holyflare wrote: Care to follow up on my post, Grack? What happened to df and vivax definitely containing mafia and you sheeping rayn? Which post do you want me to follow up on? Definitely was hyperbole, but I do think one scum likely pushed me. | ||
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Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything. The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo. Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said. | ||
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On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote: I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol. And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal? You might be scum. I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people. | ||
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On May 11 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote: Why not vote him if you think he is scum? I might. | ||
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I automatically focus on the people who are giving me the most shit if I feel that it is unjustified. Then afterwards I have to come back and try to focus on the people I haven't paid much attention to because I haven't noticed their shit because it hasn't been directed to me. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote: I powered through the thread while I was up. To start off questions @PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point. As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it. As for my reads here we are: These are the people i'm ok reading town currently LS Rayn Palmar Prison Break Skynx Maybe town: Grack HF I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently. I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently. Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now. Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'( #1) Why did he town read Skynx? Is there something Skynx did that he found particularly townie or is he just town reading the most active people that aren't under pressure? #2) Does he really care that DF said: Or is that forced? It seems like a strange response to me considering DF's original post and I seem to remember someone making a read on Damdred based on frowny faces before. #3 Overall the post seems pretty blah to me. There's some fluff at the top and then mostly non-conclusions with not much catching his interest. | ||
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On May 12 2017 01:13 Palmar wrote: so we're doing end of day. I give this a 5% chance of succeeding. Since when do we care about succeeding? | ||
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On May 12 2017 01:37 Holyflare wrote: How long do i have? 4 1/2 hours | ||
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On May 12 2017 02:13 Palmar wrote: I mean if we're just going for theatrics we lynch HF Shhhhh. Give it another two hours or so. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:09 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing, literally 0 interesting things were going on I. The thread while I was here. Besides grack and hf having a dick measuring contest that hf looked much more impressive in. Sky had like four posts I liked before I posted. Hf should never be firm town read early but enough you can get work done if you think he makes sense. Something someone said about his and Palmer's fight made me agree and think he might be town. Overall the posts against me are kinda meh, I'm voting df and going to be afk till after deadline I'm a grower not a show-er. | ||
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I was referring to the Rayn post. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:45 darthfoley wrote: Compromise onto fuba? Idk the dude hasn't done anything I don't really think Fuba is scum either though. Right now I'm thinking about Skynx/Vivax/Damdred/HF and even Rayn because he seems so eager to push through this case that seems pretty contrived to me. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote: what's happened? We're doing shennannies. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote: on who Rayn wants Foley. Everyone else is looking at inactive people mostly. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:50 Holyflare wrote: the fuck still df? On May 12 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this post broken into parts: What a bad read on HF. Why would holyflare buddy him? Why is he waiting for Holyflare to make a case? Why doesn't he do shit himself? No, it literally does not have merit since df just fucking backed off from his scumread on Grackaroni, that literally means his post DOES NOT have merit. Regardless of his affiliation i was doing the RIGHT thing, or should have been doing, in his mind. Yet he comes up with this bullshit, What is this even?????? Why should i go after someone who is a questionmark in DF's mind?!?!!? Wtf? In addition to that i have given detailed reads on all of those people (except for Skynx for the detailed part). Nothing here makes sense at all, why is he even saying this shit? First of all how the fuck do i know if df is going to be active or not? Why would i even care? Why would that even happen since he's not inactive? WHAT IS THIS EVEN TRYING TO SAY? I am trying to lynch him because he is inactive? Way to go bro, he never even touched my case with a stick, just played around it -> then conceded that i was right (grack - since he now townreads him) -> then calls my case shit and worng and whatever when it was HIM by HIS OWN WORDS who was wrong. You're not a pussy, you're scum. | ||
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On May 12 2017 09:23 sicklucker wrote: you never try to read me ls its really anoying . you mostly just sheep other people I know man. It's so unfair. On May 11 2017 18:43 sicklucker wrote: of course were not lynching ryan. but why arnt we lynching ls? grack ls or someone I cant read like df or dandred. one of those guys GOTTA GO ![]() | ||
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On May 12 2017 14:23 Vivax wrote: I'm saying you just made another argument for him being scum cause I'm never going to believe that it's a typ to have you as top town on one hand and as backup lynch on the other. But sure I'll see how he tries to explain that away. It's a list of 12 people with two SL's and 0 LS. There's no way SL made it into anyone's top town yesterday. | ||
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On May 12 2017 14:50 Vivax wrote: I don't think I've ever seen anyone confusing the two. Just from a psychological point of view it doesn't make sense, as bloated as it may sound. But two initials are really not vulnerable to typos. Unless they smoke some special herbs in turkey. So yes I think the reason is simply that skynx put a bunch of bs reads out there. Methinks you've eaten the red banana. | ||
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On May 12 2017 15:17 Vivax wrote: Grack it's not very relevant for scumhunting but I'm still curious as to why you changed fubas second post to appear as HFs, mostly cause it seems like a cray thing to do. The posts were all fuba's. Rayn wanted to know what contributions we made and I quoted what Fuba had said but changing the names to ours. | ||
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On May 12 2017 15:24 Vivax wrote: You know it irks me that this game your intention of trolling seems more exacerbated than your ambition to find scum cause that's how I recall you playing GoT mafia. As far as I can tell from a skim through I had behaved like a perfect gentleman, as I am known to be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=Grackaroni I think the problem is Palmar. He's a bad influence. | ||
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On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote: random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work? I'm shocked I say, shocked. Dude you didn't even show up. You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!" | ||
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On May 12 2017 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe Holyflare is right and fuba is mafia. I don't know. fuba's eod was definitely a lackluster, which doesn't bode well with the fact he seemed really interesting to play the game before the game started. I don't know really.. this doesn't look like his townplay OR his mafia play so.... But if you're lynching me and then fuba on D3 i give this town like 10% chance of winning. This is actually a really good point. Fuba was super hype in the pregame and has barely been playing. If he doesn't pick up his game tomorrow then he is scum. | ||
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On May 13 2017 16:41 Vivax wrote: I don't like your wording. Am I implying anywhere that it changed? Should it have priority over other reads? You wanted to kill Skynx yesterday. Now you want one of Fuba/Rayn. It wasn't meant to be a hostile question but you've been edgy to me ever since I called you the red banana. | ||
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My gut read is that Skynx is mafia. I tried looking over his play in haunted mansion but the only thing that stuck out to me was that his first post in this game had a lot more added flair than his posts in that game. I've liked a lot of Vivax's posts and I think he is pretty likely town. The fact that he is even posting when a lot of us are being lazy is a pretty good indication that he is town. Palmar gives me a few townie vibes as well. I don't think Rayn has been giving very well fleshed out reads, and it's feeling pretty tempting to just start knocking off people from DF's scum list. | ||
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On May 14 2017 20:06 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it rayn is 100% town, but if the hosts are not gonna modkill people for flipping their shit I guess we do it for them. i'm voting rayn. I don't care. Rayn fake rages all the time. | ||
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On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote: My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present. Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you. You were calling me mafia for something you didn't even read????? | ||
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On May 15 2017 03:08 Vivax wrote: and grack cast a vote within the next 15 minutes or i bus you for real Bitch please. I'll vote when I want. | ||
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On May 15 2017 03:32 Vivax wrote: i kinda lost feeling of time, dedline is tomorrow right? No deadline is in a couple of hours. | ||
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On May 15 2017 03:19 Vivax wrote: and when im in front of a computer im gonna start looking at the hot stocks instead of the possible bd townies cause i dont like that grack is giving me sass Am I a hot stock? Cuz I'm a pretty bad townie too. I am unclear on which category I am being placed in lol. | ||
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On May 15 2017 04:24 Holyflare wrote: do we vote switch to ls for trying to force bad meta and afking again? I'm feeling it + Show Spoiler + ![]() I looked at his last scum game and I think he looks a lot more uncomfortable in that game than in this one. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:00 Vivax wrote: So Sir Palmar if you weren't modkilling rayn right now, who'd you be voting next? He obviously wants me/HF | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:10 Tumblewood wrote: actually i would rather not lynch vivax today. scum!vivax does not try harder on d2 than d1 Yeah Vivax is town. | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote: palmar, 2 days in a row is content with doing absolutely nothing to push the game forward not town palmar ##vote palmar Can we make Palmart a thing? | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:18 Holyflare wrote: i don't recommend voting fuba Which posts were the ones that you found townie? | ||
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On May 15 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote: Does the stuff I said and HF thought make you think he is town? I still think it's a pretty good lynch. I was never very invested in what HF was arguing. I get the impression that he's just checking off boxes to not get lynched more than there being any townie spark prompting his posts. | ||
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Palmar/fuba seems like a pretty probable pair. Me/Skynx is a pretty improbable one. | ||
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On May 15 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote: grack asks why not to kill fuba and 2 ppl lay out reasons, even palmar says not to lynch grack wants skynx kill grack hammers fuba??? If you/Palmar both don't want fuba it sounds like pretty good motivation to kill fuba. | ||
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You seem pretty happy right now Palmar. | ||
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On May 15 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote: why did you ignore everything everyone said then grack? You guys didn't offer any good reasoning for him being town. Don't act like you all gave overwhelming reasoning to save him and I ignored you. I asked you which posts you liked and you said you liked his response to you. I expected mafia would put resistance to being lynched and didn't see anything townie in his response. | ||
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On May 16 2017 04:56 LightningStrike wrote: Pretty good case Vivax might just sheep it honestly. Didn't notice that stuff till you pointed it out. Why? I don't know the game just feels like too much of a shit show and I don't know what is going on. | ||
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On May 16 2017 04:59 LightningStrike wrote: Why not read the case on Skynx by Vivax and tell us your thoughts on it? The things Skynx said about PB that were highlighted in red seem pretty scummy. A lot of other things seem like bad reading comprehension. | ||
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On May 16 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote: But tbh if he's scum he might just have spewed you town Grack. Well then between him and Palmar I should be covered lol. | ||
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Keeping it secret would have been dumb. | ||
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On May 16 2017 17:45 Holyflare wrote: Why would i kill the one person that without a doubt would lynch palmar with me? Who would you have killed? | ||
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On May 16 2017 17:54 Holyflare wrote: Yes, I don't see the problem at all? If Palmar got killed instead of Rayn then he probably would have just shifted his tunnel to you. | ||
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On May 17 2017 01:53 Prison Break wrote: What does this sentence mean? TW is mafia, he counterclaimed because he got caught.. claimed different set-up to get doc to out.. if scum fake claimed, what are the odds of the real cop being the one who got checked? Also what does "spew town" mean? I see that phrase being used quite a lot, is it when you try to get town killed or something? It's when mafia says something that accidentally gives away that someone else is a townie. | ||
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On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote: town grack rayn pb ls sl scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba skynx vivax fuba scum pool 2 - pick one hf palmar I doubt TW put no teammates in his scum list, so HF vs Palmar seems like a good enough place to start for me. I don't think Vivax could pull off a 10 page filter of actual content as scum. | ||
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On May 18 2017 08:37 Prison Break wrote: if I'm wrong though I'm going to hate myself ... ugh.... I don't like changing reads but I have a bad habbit of tunneling, shouldn't be limiting myself just because I could be wrong, if he's scum and I'm wrong then that sucks, but I am confident enough in my townread to not want to lynch him today This post seems scummy to me. | ||
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On May 18 2017 11:52 Prison Break wrote: Why, you think his play makes sense as scum? I had him as scum prior, but after his recent play I've changed my mind. What's scummy about changing your mind according to new evidence? The tunneling thing is something people often accuse me of, since I'm new here I guess that's not common knowledge yet. HF can be pretty sneaky. But it seems kind of scummy to me because there's too much anguish over dropping a scum read, like you're too worried that we're going to call you out for switching your read on HF. I think it's the "...ugh..." in the middle of the sentence that bothers me. It just feels unnatural to me. | ||
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On May 19 2017 02:23 Skynx wrote: Grack iirc you and some others claimed Vivax mafia post D1 is so identifiable, is he town here? According to the mafia database he's been lynched or endgamed 17/18 times as mafia. His doesn't usually have the motivation to match his town enthusiasm after the first day or two. | ||
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On May 19 2017 01:53 Prison Break wrote: I've nailed it down to this town: LS, Palmar, HF scum: Grack or Vivax scum: sicklurker but vivax pushed sicklurker, so grack is more likely. vivax did have a weird post where he'd question why people would lynch sicklurker though, which can be interpreted as softdefending. I really don't like vivax "if my townread on TW is anything like my townread on PB then he must be mafia", that sounded insincere and it's complete bullshit. what's holding me back is that vivax pushes sicklurker now as for grackeroni, he mentioned my post seemed scummy (where I went from scumreading HF to townreading him based on his posting), then when called out on it he basically retracted it pretty fast. seemed like he was trying to see if others would catch on, and when they didn't he kind of dropped it. Very scummy. If HF is town, and I went from scumreading to townreading him, then I can imagine scum being frustrated by that because they obviously want town to kill other town, so I can see this play having a scum motive. Don't see how it makes sense from town though I think 2 scum is between these 3, LS palmar have been townie all game. no way HF is scum and being that paranoid yesterday, that seemed very real and townlike. so yeah I want to lynch between these 3, and I think both scum are between them This is completely false. | ||
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N1 I saved Rayn N2 HF I really didn't want to claim earlier and reveal but I also can't let HF get away with his fake either. Tomorrow we lynch HF and then PB. Easy game. | ||
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On May 19 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote: nice fake claim, you got owned GL scrub. | ||
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On May 19 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote: I totes unclaim :D Get rekt. | ||
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On May 19 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote: my claim was so sick why the fuck wouldn't you save skynx pfft. Mine totes had potential for some panic stupidity. | ||
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On May 19 2017 05:51 Holyflare wrote: I think vivax isn't the doctor btw You didn't think skynx was the cop either. | ||
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On May 19 2017 05:55 Holyflare wrote: yeh well he's not the cop he's dead "was the cop" Lawyered. | ||
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I think I only got pushed on day 1 by DF/Vivax/Palmar and half heartedly pushed by HF I say we kill El Palm-O and then if he's town I guess I'll have to conclude that I was the mafia. Sorry Palmar. I think you may be one of those bad hombres I keep hearing about. | ||
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On May 12 2017 05:28 Tumblewood wrote: gonna vote df cause I won't be around for an hour and you are worryingly close to lynching grack and sl lol SL you aren't even town read and you got defended. I don't think TW's filter is the place to look for defending yourself. | ||
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On May 19 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote: i'm all for palmar dying but when 3 people instantly vote him and 2 of them aren't even saying anything about him or anything else in the game then excuse me for not hopping on straight away Tbf the person leading the wagon is confirmed town. | ||
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On May 19 2017 07:00 sicklucker wrote: Holyflare (1) - Prison Break, Palmar, Skynx raynpelikoneet (2) - Vivax, Palmar, LightningStrike fuba (3) - Holyflare, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Vivax, Grackaroni Palmar (2) - raynpelikoneet, Holyflare Vivax (1) - fuba, Skynx Skynx (2) - Grackaroni, Vivax, fuba this is maybe an argument to townread grack. why the hell would he want to lynch fuba over ryan palmer and holyflare as mafia. I told you! Rayn/Fuba/DF all had me as town leans. I would kill off one of Vivax/Palmar/HF who were scum reading me. If I really wanted to go for the hero play and kill off the people town reading me I would at least put some effort into making myself seem townie. | ||
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On May 19 2017 07:04 sicklucker wrote: I dont think from your pov you could have killed palmar or hf unless you were there at the very eod as vivax changed from fuba to palmar after your vote I was there until the end deciding who to vote. (I almost always show up for deadlines for shennannies.) On May 15 2017 05:59 Grackaroni wrote: I'm sticking with my vote this time. If I was going to switch it would have been to Palmar because I thought him and fuba could be a likely pair since he showed up at the last minute of the lynch really passionate after not giving a crap all day prior. | ||
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On the other hand, I am a big fan of sheeping. Either way, I have to make conversation with Palmar so that people don't figure out that we're together. | ||
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On May 19 2017 10:43 Palmar wrote: i was hoping that repeatedly calling you mafia was distancing enough Yeah but you did such a crappy job of getting me lynched that now people are having doubts. | ||
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On May 15 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Doesn't matter Palmar. You probably suck up to everyone else in this game like you do as mafia but not me. On May 15 2017 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: With the way you're posting i mean. Idk how just being cheesy, slimy and and shit like that appeals to people, you're good at it for sure, the results prove that. | ||
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On May 20 2017 05:56 Holyflare wrote: my point is that him saying that palmar/hf are doing something bad has no relevance to whether they are his team mates because sometimes he hard defends them and sometimes he busses Yeah but my point is that you should be able to see the difference between posts like these and whether TW included some townies in his list posts before or not. On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote: lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum On May 10 2017 23:05 Tumblewood wrote: I don't remember when he was talking to you but when he wasn't he was having fun On May 11 2017 08:44 Tumblewood wrote: okay, I might as well get all my reads out at once: grack is my rock for now. and ls, but I always read him town. (don't get confused, he still is town. I'm always right.) for now I'm gonna just ignore Palmar and Hf, because Palmar is obstinate and not crusading yet Hf is kinda just yelling and picking fights. plus one of them or rayn will probably die n1 Damdred is a little good in my book prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying skynx has disappointed me so far. he reminds me of myself which is usually a bad sign fuba had one post I thought sucked but other than that I've been ignoring him rayn is town I think? I like rayn, he's doin good stuff anyone else I just forgot was playing | ||
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On May 20 2017 06:04 Holyflare wrote: the point is that LS is using tw's read in that out of context post vivax keeps linking to call me and palmar mafia (even vivax does this) but in the context of his other games it's ambiguous whether that makes palmar mafia because he does that to town people too Are you thinking that the team is LS/SL? | ||
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Palmar/LS HF/LS Low probability teams: Palmar/SL HF/PB (HF/PB because the posts where PB dropped his read on HF seemed off to me, but I think PB's posts have been townie outside of that moment.) Day 2 HF went hard tunnel on Rayn for changing his vote and then hard tunnel on Fuba for something I don't even remember. At the end of the day he changed his read on Fuba and pushed Palmar at a time where it was too likely to kill Palmar for him to do it to his scum buddy, so not Palmar/HF I agree with SL that his push for HF today over Palmar makes him really unlikely to be paired with HF. I don't have a good reason to rule out SL/LS but I just don't see that being the team. | ||
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On May 21 2017 04:50 sicklucker wrote: I have literally asked people to kill him since day one. I never wasted a vote because no one wanted too. its in my filter. I think I can only be with like palmar and maybe you I don't remember LS being under any pressure except for today. | ||
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On May 21 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote: that's the same for me muchacho Not really. There's more pressure for mafia to bus and join your/Palmar's wagon when confirmed town Vivax is pushing it than there is for them to switch on to LS right now. | ||
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On May 22 2017 19:18 Palmar wrote: is it just me or was the deadline half an hour early? | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:28 Palmar wrote: But I'm only getting more certain that Grack is the mafia. LS and SL are just very much not intelligent people. I don't know how to be polite when explaining such a thing, but I have very little faith in their ability to reason. I think they're, especially SL, for a lack of a better word, just stupid. Grack is much better at reasoning and has higher capability for thinking, which is why him not seeing how bad this is is important. Nah dude I'm sticking with my process of elimination. On May 24 2017 03:24 Palmar wrote: I moved my vote back to Palmar btw. I have better reasons to think all of the other 3 might possibly be town. a) sicklucker is stubborn, annoying and overwhelmingly wrong. Which probably makes him town b) LS's martyr play is, even as much as I hate it, probably more likely to come from him being emo town c) PB is the one guy who is actually playing mafia and not just ramming his face repeatedly into a wall. So yeah, I'm gonna try to kill Palmar. Remember, you guys have 0 reasons for voting me that have anything to do with me. That is how you get things wrong in mafia. | ||
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On May 24 2017 05:19 Palmar wrote: Jesus guys grack is the last mafia. Compare his effort and desire to scumhunt with mine. You know I put more effort as mafia than town. | ||
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On May 24 2017 06:10 sicklucker wrote: im so happy I bussed holyflare ![]() SLIP | ||
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If you're mafia can you NK me please? | ||
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I'll read through and make a conclusion by the end of the night. | ||
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On May 25 2017 06:53 Prison Break wrote: Alright so here's my thought process. I made it kind of clear that I'd lynch lightningstrike today yesterday. i Showed no hints that I could be persuaded in lynching anyone else, and my stubbornness this game hasn't gone unnoticed to scum, so here's my interpretation of the night: If Lightning Strike is scum -> he would nightkill me, and try to convince sicklurker that Grack is scum. If Grack was scum -> he'd leave me alive, most likely. So this points towards Grack being more likely scum. But could be WIFOM as well. But if LightningStrike were scum, would he really nightkill sicklurker over me? I don't think that makes sense at all, which is mainly what's pointing me towards Grack right now. I think Sicklucker would probably have killed me. I'm not sure what thought process LS uses to make his kills though. | ||
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I'm fairly convinced that it's Lightningstrike. | ||
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1) He had a strong scum read on HF day 1 that just sort of faded after day 1. At the end of day 1 when the lynch was still completely up in the air (we last second wagoned both DF/Damdred) he suggested Palmar might be scum for considering sheeping him on HF, which seems like a strange suspicion to me for someone strongly convinced that HF is scum. On May 11 2017 19:42 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke and I caught up. I think I want to lynch HF the more times I read his posts and him being very nitpicky he actually playing closer to his scum game that he played in the liquidmania qualifier game that I played with him and got mislynched Day 1 after playing mostly horrible Day 1 too. As scum Hf loves to be nitpicky on people as town he not very nitpicky at all. Sorry HF that you had to roll scum again vs me. His filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=Holyflare My filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?user=LightningStrike ##Vote: Holyflare On May 11 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote: You better take this seriously HF, I would gladly blind-sheep LS if my lynch doesn't work out. On May 11 2017 20:30 Palmar wrote: Just convince LS you're town and you'll be fine. On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote: Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1? 2) The other thing is what HF pointed out earlier. At first he said that TW's interactions indicated that I was a potential teammate. After other people were reading it the other way he interpreted TW's filter differently to argue that he spewed both of us town. On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote: I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one: his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner. On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote: I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie? | ||
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Prison Break is clearly very stubborn. He was really upset after we lynched Fuba ignoring HF/SL on day 2. On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote: FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1 guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker.... reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again.... is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... He was very tunneled on SL for the entire game prior to HF flipping, and he was making a lot of reads by association with Sicklucker. These posts I flagged as suspicious even before HF flipped. I think there's too much justification for dropping his read, like he's overplaying the significance of it saying that he's going to hate himself for changing his read if HF flips scum. On May 18 2017 08:34 Prison Break wrote: Eh my theory on holyflare trying to direct a scan towards himself and then frame it so he can ride confirmed town status etc, admittedly makes less sense now due to tumblewood flipping framer and holyflare seemed extremely paranoid with arguing tumblewood could be town like why would scum ever go on and ramble about that? I can see it being town trying to figure out the set-up, unless if he's scum and wants us to fake it... so the real question is do we believe him or not.. it seemed pretty real though, can't place it in my head as scum going to think he may be town now, just don't think his current play makes sense as scum at all On May 18 2017 08:37 Prison Break wrote: if I'm wrong though I'm going to hate myself ... ugh.... I don't like changing reads but I have a bad habbit of tunneling, shouldn't be limiting myself just because I could be wrong, if he's scum and I'm wrong then that sucks, but I am confident enough in my townread to not want to lynch him today Coming into day 3 during the night he had LS/Palmar/HF as town reads with SL/me or SL/Vivax as the scum team. On May 19 2017 01:53 Prison Break wrote: I've nailed it down to this town: LS, Palmar, HF scum: Grack or Vivax scum: sicklurker but vivax pushed sicklurker, so grack is more likely. vivax did have a weird post where he'd question why people would lynch sicklurker though, which can be interpreted as softdefending. I really don't like vivax "if my townread on TW is anything like my townread on PB then he must be mafia", that sounded insincere and it's complete bullshit. what's holding me back is that vivax pushes sicklurker now as for grackeroni, he mentioned my post seemed scummy (where I went from scumreading HF to townreading him based on his posting), then when called out on it he basically retracted it pretty fast. seemed like he was trying to see if others would catch on, and when they didn't he kind of dropped it. Very scummy. If HF is town, and I went from scumreading to townreading him, then I can imagine scum being frustrated by that because they obviously want town to kill other town, so I can see this play having a scum motive. Don't see how it makes sense from town though I think 2 scum is between these 3, LS palmar have been townie all game. no way HF is scum and being that paranoid yesterday, that seemed very real and townlike. so yeah I want to lynch between these 3, and I think both scum are between them However, if you look at the posts between the night and the day 3 lynch he doesn't do anything to try to lynch me or SL. I would expect from his annoyance with Fuba being lynched that he would prod people harder to kill Sicklucker. He says he'll join the HF wagon because he doesn't want scum to decide the lynch, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me that he would say that right after seeing SL push me into joining the HF wagon. It seems a lot like the behavior of somebody not wanting to look bad in case HF flips. On May 20 2017 14:12 Prison Break wrote: 4, he doesn't have lightning strike I'll vote HF because I don't want scum to decide the lynch Still not convinced you're town for the record but I'm not going to be able to convince 4 people after I've already brought up all arguments, and we need a lynch. If HF flips scum you'll receive townie points for pushing it through though At least this lynch is better than palmars because palmar got greenchecked day 1, which gives him over 67% of being town (can only frame 1 of the 3 members, aka 33% it was palmar) A lot of his posts come off as townie to me, but his posts are pretty well reasoned and concise, and I think he has the potential for a pretty strong scum game. | ||
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On May 27 2017 03:58 Prison Break wrote: I still think it's grack and he hoped I would auto-lynch lightningstrike today it doesn't help that he's willing to switch to me now, because if he thinks lightningstrike is scum, then it's better to try to convince me to lynch lightningstrike instead, but he gave up pretty quickly on that after I made my intention clear I want to see gracks flip because I think we won this game. him saying I played brilliant if I was scum but bad if I was town could be a method to manipulate me into unvoting, because no one wants to be called bad on their first game, obviously. but I'm not going to fall for that I just can't see lightningstrike leaving me alive here, so it's pretty auto from my PoV I just don't like that I'm the only one filtering. I think it would be really clever if as scum you pushed LS and then killed SL and flipped based off that. Since LS already wanted to kill me before it basically ensures that I get lynched. | ||
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On May 27 2017 04:00 Prison Break wrote: I don't think I played that bad, especially if I'm right on grack, but I learned a lot nonetheless. if I'm wrong on grack then lightningstrike played it excellent, but I don't see that as a likely possibility I think you played better than me whatever alignment you are. It's probably LS though. | ||
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On May 27 2017 04:07 Prison Break wrote: wouldn't it be smarter to leave my options open as scum? the flipflop could also be seen as suspicious. I don't think my play would be good from a scum PoV I read through the filters but nothing in it changed my mind. yes, HF pushed lightningstrike which could be scum vs scum, but that still doesn't explain the sicklurker nightkill over myself, so it is not strong enough for me to think lightningstrike is scum now I thought it could work well as a buddying tactic. It didn't really have much of an influence on my read of you. I can't say much about the night kills. The reasoning is a bit circular. If you get killed off will SL use that as reasoning to kill LS? SL bases a lot of his reads on night kills (if you notice, he jumped to Palmar right after Darthfoley got killed on night 1). | ||
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I suspect that is what is going on with Lightningstrike right now. He really wanted to talk things over and then as soon as the lynch was locked up he didn't put any more effort. On May 25 2017 05:16 LightningStrike wrote: Are you fucking serious? No one talked since my last post and now it's EoN what is wrong with town....... On May 25 2017 05:32 LightningStrike wrote: What a LYLO man me Grack and PB yet no one was talking all of today. For me it's Grack or PB for Grack it's me or PB for PB it's me or Grack. Whoever is town with me in PB or Grack please work with me to lynch the other person. On May 25 2017 06:18 LightningStrike wrote: Wow Grack and PB you guys don't want to talk? | ||
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On May 27 2017 04:18 Prison Break wrote: there's 2 differences though - sicklurker specifically didn't tell scum what he was going to do, so leaving him alive would be a gamble - I have been stubborn this game, so would lightningstrike really assume that I was going to change my mind based on this reasoning? it's wifom nonetheless I'm not the one basing my vote on the kill though. Either he thought his chances were better with you & me compared to me & SL or you're mafia. | ||
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On May 21 2017 04:47 Grackaroni wrote: High probability teams: Palmar/LS HF/LS Low probability teams: Palmar/SL HF/PB (HF/PB because the posts where PB dropped his read on HF seemed off to me, but I think PB's posts have been townie outside of that moment.) Day 2 HF went hard tunnel on Rayn for changing his vote and then hard tunnel on Fuba for something I don't even remember. At the end of the day he changed his read on Fuba and pushed Palmar at a time where it was too likely to kill Palmar for him to do it to his scum buddy, so not Palmar/HF I agree with SL that his push for HF today over Palmar makes him really unlikely to be paired with HF. I don't have a good reason to rule out SL/LS but I just don't see that being the team. Ultimately, I blame PALMAR. | ||
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On May 27 2017 04:07 Prison Break wrote: wouldn't it be smarter to leave my options open as scum? the flipflop could also be seen as suspicious. I don't think my play would be good from a scum PoV I read through the filters but nothing in it changed my mind. yes, HF pushed lightningstrike which could be scum vs scum, but that still doesn't explain the sicklurker nightkill over myself, so it is not strong enough for me to think lightningstrike is scum now This shouldn't be such a mystery really. Lightningstrike hedges: On May 25 2017 05:32 LightningStrike wrote: What a LYLO man me Grack and PB yet no one was talking all of today. For me it's Grack or PB for Grack it's me or PB for PB it's me or Grack. Whoever is town with me in PB or Grack please work with me to lynch the other person. On May 25 2017 07:13 LightningStrike wrote: I honesty am stuck because I will need to reread both you and Grack's filter which I will do tonight. I pretty much need to reevaluate for this LYLO. You indicate that you want to kill me: On May 25 2017 13:54 Prison Break wrote: Yea I agree with lightningstrike which is why I think it has to be grack tbh Like no way lightning would leave me alive after I stated intent to kill him (and sicklurker stated no intent at all) I indicate that I want to kill LS: On May 25 2017 14:48 Grackaroni wrote: Sorry I'm super addicted to hearthstone. I'm fairly convinced that it's Lightningstrike. LS is struck by a revelation from Palmar: On May 26 2017 02:00 LightningStrike wrote: After reading both of your filters and some of the NK's filters I starting to be more likely Grack. Palmar who did flip town usually got good Day 1 reads and he thought Grack was scum Day 1 and when he got lynched. Only problem I had with PB was he willing to sheep a scum case on me but now think's it's me because of WIFOM but otherwise his filter looked townie. Grack filter wasn't as townie per say as there was some weird stuff espcally with him and TW from Day 1ish where TW did say that Grack was 100% town because he seem to trolliy to be scum and Grack did defend TW when some people were questioning about TW's alignment prior to the cop check that came back red for TW. Also Palmar's point about Grack not being as moody per say is another indicator. Me and Grack in my last game with him butted heads and we argued pretty badly although I was a bit of a jerk but still I not seeing it as much here compared to that game. Grack if you are town I sorry man but if PB is scum he played a pretty good scum game. PB if you are scum well played. ##Vote: Grackaroni | ||
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On May 27 2017 05:00 LightningStrike wrote: It wasn't just the night kill that decided LYLO for me but reading other people's filters along with you and PB and actually I went to check your latest scum game and actually feels little bit like this one so if you're town I sorry for this loss. No not you PB. If it's any consolation on the off chance you're town, SL is probably saying dumb things in the obs QT. ![]() | ||
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No I think he probably made a bunch of posts convinced that I killed him for the same reason as PB. | ||
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On May 27 2017 06:12 darthfoley wrote: Although I've never understood why there's this idea about where a mafia will place his teammates in his read list. Especially when apparently it's the known meta to do it XYZ way Well they don't want to stick out by offering a town read that they can't defend that other people don't have. And it's rarer for mafia to have an actual read like that on a teammate if other people don't agree with it. | ||
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On May 27 2017 06:18 sicklucker wrote: its def grack hes just trolling i think. gj pb you played well one bad tunnel is excusable ;p you appeared town and did your job. glad you got it right when I forgot to make a last minute deadline post to kill grack Btdt already showed the lynch lol. | ||
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I assumed HF was the troll. | ||
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On May 27 2017 06:48 LightningStrike wrote: Rip. Sorry about lynching you in LYLO Grack ![]() I don't mind I tried to lynch you too. ![]() GG | ||
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On May 11 2017 17:08 Holyflare wrote: Grackaroni, famed for attacking players that call him mafia relentlessly explains his thought process and nothing more despite other people calling that target mafia too. Colour me surprised that you misrepresent the argument again. I'm on to you HF. You managed to avoid getting in a shit fight with me this game by not bothering to try to lynch me. | ||
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