[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia II

On May 10 2017 09:13 Palmar wrote:
LS is town and we have like 90% winrate together.

GG mafia

On May 10 2017 14:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think he would approach the game as he does atm (or did last night) as mafia.

On May 10 2017 14:33 Tumblewood wrote:

what do you see in fuba?

On May 10 2017 14:56 Grackaroni wrote:

How do you think he would approach the game as mafia?

On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.

On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?

On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3

On May 10 2017 15:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
As in you think i am mafia?

On May 10 2017 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But you literally said you had a "similar response" than Holyflare and Tumblewood did and Holyflare apparently thinks i am mafia so what are you saying then? That Holyflare doesn't actually think i am mafia?

On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

On May 10 2017 15:19 Grackaroni wrote:
lol this is what happens when you leave out just me/HF/TW from your town list.







We made some quality posts and you hurt our feelings Rayn...

On May 10 2017 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You mean Holyflare and Tumblewood's reaction?

I was never expecting you to make any earth shattering revelation. I was expecting you to make any sort of conclusion which you didn't until prodded for it (now) several times. Your first post looked more like you tied yourself onto two other people and you made a "conclusion" which was more like "look here is something other people can call rayn scum for and i don't have to" -- basically you took some things that "aligned with your thoughts" and kind of prodded other people to do the ddirty work for you. I mean it's like.... Everyone has a gun with no ammo and you're the only one with any. Then you just happen to drop bullets on the floor and when someone shoots you can say "but see i didn't kill anyone". That is very typical mafia behavior Grackaroni, and that's why i questioned you for it, especially since there is absolutely no reason for me to call all those four people town and leave you three out as mafia. I don't make up shit as mafia.

On May 10 2017 16:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:

On May 10 2017 15:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No but seriously Grackaroni. I can't follow the logic of your post earlier. Why do you single out a retarded vote on me and some random other questions? What are you trying to achieve like that? Basically, what are you trying to do, as i can't find a single reason why you would be acting like that as town atm...

If you think my reads are bad, fine. I don't expect people to necessarily agree with my read on fuba (or Damdred), and i don't care. I just lay out what i think. You on the other hand seem like you are for some reason like.. idk.. threatening me (?) to make a read, or a different read. Why is that? If you're just trolling, then stop.

Tumblewood can be town too though. Mainly because i am pretty sure he would have questioned my Damdred read aswell in case he was scum.

On May 10 2017 17:18 Palmar wrote:

I don't work with scum

On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

On May 10 2017 17:34 Palmar wrote:

If you think he is town why are you pestering him?

On May 10 2017 17:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No. I was attacking you because you didn't seem to have a conclusion. You should have had one (since you made a post that indicated so in the first place). When you told what your conclusion is, it didn't make any sense. I have never said you shouldn't have any conclusion because i figured you must have one -- otherwise the first post made no sense at all. People can obviously make dumb/wrong conclusions, that doesn't make anyone mafia. I just wanted to know where you were coming from and the more we discussed it the clearer it became to me where you are coming from and that it makes probably more sense from town perspective.

On May 07 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You shouldn't, me Palmar and Holyflare will fuck up and kill each other and you'll just cruise to victory.

On May 10 2017 18:06 Palmar wrote:

You're still at it, you literally just said something is fishy about some of his posts.

This could be just a poor choice of words by you, but if you believe that "Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel", rayn is 100% town to you 100% of the time. Mafia does not go into rage induced tunnels. They might fake it, and there is usually evidence they are faking it.

It's especially unlikely someone whose play is as refined as rayn's (well, as refined as a bludgeon can be) would go on a tilt as scum.

So either you must say that he's indeed NOT on a rage induced tunnel, but rather attempting to play one, or that he's town. There is no world where rayn is scum in a rage induced tunnel.

Also I don't like this pseudo-alliance-making.

On May 10 2017 18:13 Palmar wrote:


Yes, but you've kept sort of poking him, which is bound to do nothing productive if you think he's town.

Are you claiming that when you wrote "he's in a rage induced tunnel" you thought he was town, and then when you "something is fishy" you were back on leaning scum?

I'll go back and read the timeline later but using a timeline defense doesn't sounds like it adds up.

On May 10 2017 18:45 Palmar wrote:

nice.

meta and appeal to other players defense.

noted.

On May 10 2017 18:47 Palmar wrote:

I don't answer scum questions.

On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

On May 11 2017 00:06 Prison Break wrote:


I don't like this post

You come in here, don't take sides or stances, make a general comment to seem townie and helpful by solving a fight (yet you don't really solve it, because you set it up in a way that you keep all your options open), then you leave again (?)

Your vote is on Fuba, yet you lack explanation, again, leaving your options open. You could go "it was pressure" or "it was a joke" or "RVS", but at the same time if a wagon on fuba starts you could spin it like it was your intention all along

I think you're scum

On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum

On May 11 2017 03:42 Vivax wrote:
And Grack what's that quality post thingy lmao, not sure if you started out serious and then realized most of you didn't even post a single substantial thing yet or if you were shitposting from the beginning

On May 11 2017 04:41 Holyflare wrote:


And what about his read on me? He basically dropped a bunch of shit saying something he can't possibly believe and then ignored all his reasons for it and said nothing more about it.

Alsoooo do you have any suspicion that rayn is mafia right now?

On May 11 2017 04:50 Vivax wrote:


Eh I'm looking into grack and tw mostly. HF doesn't seem like mafia, nor do rayn and Palmar at first glance. So I'm mostly not paying attention to the posts they adress at each other.

So much for how caught up I am. Not fully, I'd like to see Grack explain his posts in the rayn convo cause they don't make much sense to me atm.

What would you like to talk about

On May 11 2017 04:53 Holyflare wrote:


This is quite blatantly a jab at me trying to throw shade in my direction without actually reaching the conclusion he's blatantly saying.

If I'm "looking for an excuse to blow up" then by definition he thinks I'm mafia because why would I need an excuse as town to do anything?

But then I have no follow up to that post I made which follows the other conclusion he wrote that I followed it and saw it was a joke.

The entirety of this post is calling me mafia for doing what he thinks a towny would do. If he didn't realise I haven't posted any follow up then why is he not pushing it and calling me mafia for blowing up at a troll post? If he knows I haven't said any more then why is this post here?

It is basically drivel that has no conviction and with no follow up from himself is baaaaad.

On May 11 2017 04:55 Vivax wrote:


For starters I wanted to know if by similar posts you meant the quality posts you mentioned earlier or something else cause it just looks like something you put out there that simply isn't true.

On May 11 2017 05:00 Holyflare wrote:


That's exactly what I just said. He's calling me mafia but said absolutely nothing about me being mafia or cared to follow it up. I literally dropped that post straight away when I realised. I even made a post about it:



And he's been back since and said nothing! Nothing! You think I'm his mafia read or what?

On May 11 2017 05:05 Holyflare wrote:


When i looked in the people's filter and saw that none of those quotes existed.

Grack:

Not voting (10) - Damdred, fuba,Vivax, Tumblewood, Prison Break, Skynx, Grackaroni, Palmar, darthfoley, LightningStrike

Why?

On May 11 2017 05:06 Vivax wrote:


Okay that explains the stuff about quality posts of which I wasn't sure whether it was a joke.

But this?



You say that tumble and fuba had a similar reaction to yours,but fuba and TW didn't react at all to the knowledge that they're not in a town list,at that point, just you. So aside from this being defensive and looking like you're trying to mask your reaction by comparing it to theirs, it's also simply not true.

On May 11 2017 05:16 Skynx wrote:

Can you elaborate?

On May 11 2017 05:22 Skynx wrote:

Then what do you make of this?

No matter what LS says I've seen him do this before as mafia.

I don't think in any case posting reads is bad. If they are bad reads you get pressured and explain them. If they are good reads you form a town circle, simple.

On May 11 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
Tw, vivax, someonelikeslorgrackforwantingtosheepraynbutprobablystillsl

Gggggggs

On May 11 2017 05:49 Vivax wrote:


Without trying to be nitpicky, but if you think you're burying yourself, you should say so. As in, if you think you did scummy shit, then it's worth mentioning what you think that scummy shit was from your own perspective.

It would help explain why you were so defensive earlier at the very least cause when I saw the post I answered with ??? to, I already wanted to go look for a gif of a folding chair collapsing.

On May 11 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Why is df mafia? I think he had a legit good call out on you grack. You just dropped everything and ran away and it wasn't fight to the death tunnel grack. Was a good read.

On May 11 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:


Do you even know what DF said? Seems like you're the one throwing crap in someone's direction now. His read was about you and Rayn and how you were basically bending over to Rayn's beck and call instead of being obstinate and fighting. Which is a good correct read.

On May 11 2017 06:35 Holyflare wrote:
You say df/vivax are mafia because they jump on you in the rayn/grack fight poorly to bandwagon.

Df has legit reasons that you say are not awful.
I reference those.
You mention about his palmar read.
Ok.

Bai.

On May 11 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
Why is df mafia? I think he had a legit good call out on you grack. You just dropped everything and ran away and it wasn't fight to the death tunnel grack. Was a good read.

On May 11 2017 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:

I'll argue if I think the other person is actually arguing to play mafia. Palmar was just deliberately trying to antagonize me, while referring to himself as a troll, so there was no point in me sticking around and getting more pissed off talking to him.

On May 11 2017 06:14 Holyflare wrote:


Do you even know what DF said? Seems like you're the one throwing crap in someone's direction now. His read was about you and Rayn and how you were basically bending over to Rayn's beck and call instead of being obstinate and fighting. Which is a good correct read.

On May 11 2017 06:37 Holyflare wrote:
And we all know what happens when you think that

On May 11 2017 06:47 Holyflare wrote:


No i was referring to your meek rayn posts where you were all "yes, sir, anything you want, sir!" and then had no follow up and left the thread without fighting for anything to do with it. I don't care about your crappy palmar interaction in this specific post.

My vivax read is what I said. He's done not much but I didn't hate the little he's done because it's inquisitive but shit inquisitive that isn't driving anything. It makes sense and isn't farfetched so I'm paranoid of him being mafia. It's not much, no.

On May 11 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote:


In comparison to Grackaroni thread warrior that never drops anything, Grackaroni subservient thread cop is a stark contrast.

On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present.

Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you.

On May 11 2017 07:02 Damdred wrote:


Actually i'm curious what do you make of Palmar and DF having the exact opposite conclusions at this point about that interaction.

Do you think there is some sort of connection in review? Or?

On May 11 2017 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
That's not true. Palmar said you're prodding rayn (pointless fight with pointless questions) when what you wrote suggests you town read rayn.

DF says you have no backbone and aren't actually fighting, which is true because you were pointlessly submissive and not actually determining his alignment.

Both independently good points.

On May 11 2017 09:38 Tumblewood wrote:
ok that last bit wasn't quite true but it is true that all of his non-df analysis is predicated on him not understanding obvious jokes

On May 11 2017 21:45 Palmar wrote:

explain then

On May 11 2017 21:51 Palmar wrote:
hah nailed you non-explaining scummerino

On May 11 2017 21:07 Palmar wrote:
Additionally Grack's implied read on rayn was very inconsistent

he went from quoting himself in a post along with people who voted for rayn (implies grack believes rayn = scum)
to calling rayn's posts rage induced tunnel (implies grack believes rayn = town)
to making a "this is fishy" post against rayn (implies grack believes rayn = scum)
to whatever his position is right now (is he voting rayn? has he ever voted rayn?)

On May 11 2017 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
We should lynch darthfoley. And its quite weird Palmar doesnt understand how "timelinewise" Grackaronis posts regarding his stance on me make perfect sense.

On May 11 2017 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Care to follow up on my post, Grack? What happened to df and vivax definitely containing mafia and you sheeping rayn?

On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote:


I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol.

And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal?

On May 11 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:

Why not vote him if you think he is scum?

On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote:
I powered through the thread while I was up.

To start off questions

@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.

As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.

As for my reads here we are:

These are the people i'm ok reading town currently

LS
Rayn
Palmar
Prison Break
Skynx

Maybe town:
Grack
HF

I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.

Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'(

On May 10 2017 22:28 darthfoley wrote:


Scum scum scummy

On May 12 2017 01:13 Palmar wrote:
so we're doing end of day.

I give this a 5% chance of succeeding.

On May 12 2017 01:37 Holyflare wrote:
How long do i have?

On May 12 2017 02:13 Palmar wrote:

I mean if we're just going for theatrics we lynch HF

On May 12 2017 05:09 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing, literally 0 interesting things were going on I. The thread while I was here. Besides grack and hf having a dick measuring contest that hf looked much more impressive in.

Sky had like four posts I liked before I posted.

Hf should never be firm town read early but enough you can get work done if you think he makes sense.

Something someone said about his and Palmer's fight made me agree and think he might be town.

Overall the posts against me are kinda meh, I'm voting df and going to be afk till after deadline

On May 12 2017 05:45 darthfoley wrote:


there literally isn't a case.

On May 12 2017 05:45 darthfoley wrote:


Compromise onto fuba? Idk the dude hasn't done anything

On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
what's happened?

On May 12 2017 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
on who

On May 12 2017 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
the fuck still df?

On May 12 2017 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay this post broken into parts:

What a bad read on HF. Why would holyflare buddy him? Why is he waiting for Holyflare to make a case? Why doesn't he do shit himself?


No, it literally does not have merit since df just fucking backed off from his scumread on Grackaroni, that literally means his post DOES NOT have merit. Regardless of his affiliation i was doing the RIGHT thing, or should have been doing, in his mind. Yet he comes up with this bullshit,

What is this even?????? Why should i go after someone who is a questionmark in DF's mind?!?!!? Wtf? In addition to that i have given detailed reads on all of those people (except for Skynx for the detailed part). Nothing here makes sense at all, why is he even saying this shit?
First of all how the fuck do i know if df is going to be active or not? Why would i even care? Why would that even happen since he's not inactive? WHAT IS THIS EVEN TRYING TO SAY? I am trying to lynch him because he is inactive? Way to go bro, he never even touched my case with a stick, just played around it -> then conceded that i was right (grack - since he now townreads him) -> then calls my case shit and worng and whatever when it was HIM by HIS OWN WORDS who was wrong.

You're not a pussy, you're scum.

On May 12 2017 09:23 sicklucker wrote:
you never try to read me ls its really anoying . you mostly just sheep other people

On May 11 2017 18:43 sicklucker wrote:
of course were not lynching ryan. but why arnt we lynching ls?

grack
ls or someone I cant read like df or dandred.

one of those guys GOTTA GO

On May 12 2017 14:23 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying you just made another argument for him being scum cause I'm never going to believe that it's a typ to have you as top town on one hand and as backup lynch on the other.

But sure I'll see how he tries to explain that away.

On May 12 2017 14:50 Vivax wrote:


I don't think I've ever seen anyone confusing the two. Just from a psychological point of view it doesn't make sense, as bloated as it may sound. But two initials are really not vulnerable to typos. Unless they smoke some special herbs in turkey.

So yes I think the reason is simply that skynx put a bunch of bs reads out there.

On May 12 2017 15:17 Vivax wrote:
Grack it's not very relevant for scumhunting but I'm still curious as to why you changed fubas second post to appear as HFs, mostly cause it seems like a cray thing to do.

On May 12 2017 15:24 Vivax wrote:


You know it irks me that this game your intention of trolling seems more exacerbated than your ambition to find scum cause that's how I recall you playing GoT mafia.

On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

On May 12 2017 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe Holyflare is right and fuba is mafia. I don't know. fuba's eod was definitely a lackluster, which doesn't bode well with the fact he seemed really interesting to play the game before the game started. I don't know really.. this doesn't look like his townplay OR his mafia play so.... But if you're lynching me and then fuba on D3 i give this town like 10% chance of winning.

On May 13 2017 15:55 Vivax wrote:


Why don't you just tell us

On May 13 2017 16:41 Vivax wrote:


I don't like your wording. Am I implying anywhere that it changed? Should it have priority over other reads?

On May 14 2017 20:06 Palmar wrote:
Actually fuck it

rayn is 100% town, but if the hosts are not gonna modkill people for flipping their shit I guess we do it for them.

i'm voting rayn. I don't care.

On May 11 2017 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
My point of view is that rayn didn't like what you said and you had a massive boring snoozefest that I didn't read where you explained your post multiple times and rayn no doubt used dumb analogies to try and get his point across. You just repeatedly explained yourself and had no bite back and didn't even bother getting into my points on rayn. You were having an argument with rayn for the sake of having an argument rather than figuring it out with other people even though they were present.

Then rayn stopped pushing you and you didn't care and you did nothing more and qq left when palmar insulted you.

On May 15 2017 03:03 Holyflare wrote:


i skimmed it yeh

On May 15 2017 03:08 Vivax wrote:
and grack cast a vote within the next 15 minutes or i bus you for real

On May 15 2017 03:32 Vivax wrote:
i kinda lost feeling of time, dedline is tomorrow right?

On May 15 2017 03:19 Vivax wrote:
and when im in front of a computer im gonna start looking at the hot stocks instead of the possible bd townies cause i dont like that grack is giving me sass

On May 15 2017 04:24 Holyflare wrote:
do we vote switch to ls for trying to force bad meta and afking again? I'm feeling it

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 15 2017 05:00 Vivax wrote:
So Sir Palmar if you weren't modkilling rayn right now, who'd you be voting next?

On May 15 2017 05:10 Tumblewood wrote:
actually i would rather not lynch vivax today. scum!vivax does not try harder on d2 than d1

On May 15 2017 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
palmar, 2 days in a row is content with doing absolutely nothing to push the game forward

not town palmar

##vote palmar

On May 15 2017 05:18 Holyflare wrote:
i don't recommend voting fuba

On May 15 2017 05:29 Vivax wrote:


Does the stuff I said and HF thought make you think he is town?

On May 15 2017 06:11 Holyflare wrote:
grack asks why not to kill fuba and 2 ppl lay out reasons, even palmar says not to lynch
grack wants skynx kill
grack hammers fuba???

On May 15 2017 06:15 Palmar wrote:

Maybe you should have hammered grack ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On May 15 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
why did you ignore everything everyone said then grack?

On May 16 2017 04:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Pretty good case Vivax might just sheep it honestly. Didn't notice that stuff till you pointed it out.

Why?

On May 16 2017 04:59 LightningStrike wrote:

Why not read the case on Skynx by Vivax and tell us your thoughts on it?

On May 16 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote:
But tbh if he's scum he might just have spewed you town Grack.

On May 16 2017 17:45 Holyflare wrote:
Why would i kill the one person that without a doubt would lynch palmar with me?

On May 16 2017 17:54 Holyflare wrote:
Yes, I don't see the problem at all?

On May 17 2017 01:53 Prison Break wrote:


What does this sentence mean?

TW is mafia, he counterclaimed because he got caught.. claimed different set-up to get doc to out.. if scum fake claimed, what are the odds of the real cop being the one who got checked?

Also what does "spew town" mean? I see that phrase being used quite a lot, is it when you try to get town killed or something?

On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote:
town
grack
rayn
pb
ls
sl

scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba
skynx
vivax
fuba

scum pool 2 - pick one
hf
palmar

On May 18 2017 08:37 Prison Break wrote:
if I'm wrong though I'm going to hate myself ... ugh.... I don't like changing reads but I have a bad habbit of tunneling, shouldn't be limiting myself just because I could be wrong, if he's scum and I'm wrong then that sucks, but I am confident enough in my townread to not want to lynch him today

On May 18 2017 11:52 Prison Break wrote:


Why, you think his play makes sense as scum? I had him as scum prior, but after his recent play I've changed my mind. What's scummy about changing your mind according to new evidence? The tunneling thing is something people often accuse me of, since I'm new here I guess that's not common knowledge yet.

On May 19 2017 02:23 Skynx wrote:
Grack iirc you and some others claimed Vivax mafia post D1 is so identifiable, is he town here?

On May 19 2017 01:53 Prison Break wrote:
I've nailed it down to this

town: LS, Palmar, HF

scum: Grack or Vivax
scum: sicklurker

but vivax pushed sicklurker, so grack is more likely. vivax did have a weird post where he'd question why people would lynch sicklurker though, which can be interpreted as softdefending. I really don't like vivax "if my townread on TW is anything like my townread on PB then he must be mafia", that sounded insincere and it's complete bullshit. what's holding me back is that vivax pushes sicklurker now

as for grackeroni, he mentioned my post seemed scummy (where I went from scumreading HF to townreading him based on his posting), then when called out on it he basically retracted it pretty fast. seemed like he was trying to see if others would catch on, and when they didn't he kind of dropped it. Very scummy. If HF is town, and I went from scumreading to townreading him, then I can imagine scum being frustrated by that because they obviously want town to kill other town, so I can see this play having a scum motive. Don't see how it makes sense from town though

I think 2 scum is between these 3, LS palmar have been townie all game. no way HF is scum and being that paranoid yesterday, that seemed very real and townlike. so yeah I want to lynch between these 3, and I think both scum are between them

On May 19 2017 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
I'm medic

On May 19 2017 04:22 Grackaroni wrote:

No you aren't.

On May 19 2017 05:28 Holyflare wrote:
nice fake claim, you got owned

On May 19 2017 05:38 Holyflare wrote:
I totes unclaim :D

On May 19 2017 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
my claim was so sick why the fuck wouldn't you save skynx

On May 19 2017 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
I think vivax isn't the doctor btw

On May 19 2017 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
yeh well he's not the cop he's dead

On May 12 2017 05:28 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna vote df cause I won't be around for an hour and you are worryingly close to lynching grack and sl

On May 19 2017 06:45 Holyflare wrote:


SLIP

On May 19 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
i'm all for palmar dying but when 3 people instantly vote him and 2 of them aren't even saying anything about him or anything else in the game then excuse me for not hopping on straight away

On May 19 2017 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
he's also not confirmed town

On May 19 2017 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
Holyflare (1) - Prison Break, Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (2) - Vivax, Palmar, LightningStrike
fuba (3) - Holyflare, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Vivax, Grackaroni
Palmar (2) - raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
Vivax (1) - fuba, Skynx
Skynx (2) - Grackaroni, Vivax, fuba

this is maybe an argument to townread grack. why the hell would he want to lynch fuba over ryan palmer and holyflare as mafia.

On May 19 2017 07:04 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think from your pov you could have killed palmar or hf unless you were there at the very eod as vivax changed from fuba to palmar after your vote

On May 15 2017 05:59 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm sticking with my vote this time.

On May 19 2017 10:21 Palmar wrote:

you deserved that for being bad at mafia.

On May 19 2017 10:43 Palmar wrote:

i was hoping that repeatedly calling you mafia was distancing enough

On May 15 2017 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Doesn't matter Palmar. You probably suck up to everyone else in this game like you do as mafia but not me.

On May 15 2017 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
With the way you're posting i mean. Idk how just being cheesy, slimy and and shit like that appeals to people, you're good at it for sure, the results prove that.

On May 20 2017 05:56 Holyflare wrote:


my point is that him saying that palmar/hf are doing something bad has no relevance to whether they are his team mates because sometimes he hard defends them and sometimes he busses

On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum

On May 10 2017 23:05 Tumblewood wrote:

I don't remember when he was talking to you but when he wasn't he was having fun

On May 11 2017 08:44 Tumblewood wrote:
okay, I might as well get all my reads out at once:
grack is my rock for now. and ls, but I always read him town. (don't get confused, he still is town. I'm always right.)
for now I'm gonna just ignore Palmar and Hf, because Palmar is obstinate and not crusading yet Hf is kinda just yelling and picking fights. plus one of them or rayn will probably die n1
Damdred is a little good in my book
prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying
skynx has disappointed me so far. he reminds me of myself which is usually a bad sign
fuba had one post I thought sucked but other than that I've been ignoring him
rayn is town I think? I like rayn, he's doin good stuff
anyone else I just forgot was playing

On May 20 2017 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
the point is that LS is using tw's read in that out of context post vivax keeps linking to call me and palmar mafia (even vivax does this) but in the context of his other games it's ambiguous whether that makes palmar mafia because he does that to town people too

On May 21 2017 04:50 sicklucker wrote:


I have literally asked people to kill him since day one. I never wasted a vote because no one wanted too. its in my filter. I think I can only be with like palmar and maybe you

On May 21 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
that's the same for me muchacho

On May 22 2017 22:41 Palmar wrote:


explain this