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On April 06 2017 10:45 Tumblewood wrote: this is exciting was our last game exciting? | ||
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On April 06 2017 20:30 Calix wrote: Pretty simple. You just ask basic shit like "why did you decide to announce this playstyle after you got your role?" (as an example) and go from there. Where did I say I was scum-reading you? I said "I generally find you scummy" which is not the same thing. And the entire conversation we're having is that you AREN'T going after something you find scummy O_o You're not making much sense. I find this sentence comical. Can anyone who isn't Calix explain wtf the difference is between these two sentences, because to me it just looks like useless hedging that sounds scum motivated. The splitting of semantic hairs is not something I really associate with town!calix. I think btdt is more town from the argument because he seemed more logical/focused/level headed. Koshi's intro reminds me a bit of his standoffish play style he used last game as scum, and I like btdt's questioning of him so far My time is a bit limited but I'm catching up ASAP | ||
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I can understand the point if Koshi was talking about it from the "faking activity" point he brought up later, but the progression from "she was sucking up" to "she was faking activity" doesn't really make sense to me | ||
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On April 07 2017 02:22 Shapelog wrote: Man, I fucking remember my first game as mafia. Wrote like 25% of the game filter through shitposts and other stuff. Yea it was a newbie game with me iirc. Still salty about that one | ||
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On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean So I stand corrected in that Shape did post some "reads" but I find this post to be so confusing for such a relatively simple read explanation. I also think it's odd that Shape says btdt is more towny than Calix but has spent a considerable amount of thread capital defending Calix imo. It just feels off. The time I lost to scum!Shapelog was when he did posts like this that were super convoluted and I lost motivation to read them after 3 sentences. That's kinda how I feel so far with his play. A few town reads, meh scum reads (including a couple "this is weird, this is off" type sentences @ thanks ritoky for the guidance) and posts like this that are kind of semi-serious but maybe not really that seem like ez hedging opportunities later on to say "well that was just a joke" or "that was actually serious!" On April 06 2017 23:46 Shapelog wrote: I kinda want to scumread you b/c of the cockiness of this so it will go down . In my experience, Calix is a cocky bugger no matter her alignment, so I don't know what her tone has to do with the price of eggs. On the Flipsid3, I agree that Koshi's "clear" of Tumble is super premature imo; feels quite a bit like what he did last scum game when he "cleared" Calix very early on and then NK'd her. | ||
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On April 07 2017 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bullshit. If you dont understand what someone says it doesnt mean this. BTDT is town. Koshi probably too. Shapelog might be mafia but i am not sure. Why is Koshi probably town? | ||
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On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote: The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood. Like, what is Tumble even doing? * starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter * puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless) * enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix * his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment * BUT ends up calling me bad town * one more townread on Shape * claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels * more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla) This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right? Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did. His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push. Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why? 1. The game was posted rather spontanously. 2. The game filled up really, really fast. 3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum? 4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!" The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum). Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour. This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words Btdt hath been downgraded | ||
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On April 07 2017 19:22 Koshi wrote: Then why did she go from "I am going to call it a day and call Calix and Tumble the mafia team" to "Calix is perfect null". WITHOUT Calix posting. Rayn is town yay | ||
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Also anyone TRing Shapelog please explain. ATM I think Calix/Shapelog are most likely mafia. Maybe btdt, but his frustration feels real and not fake rage idk | ||
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On April 08 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote: I will be mislynched anyways. There's no way to circumvent this. As we're all split anyways on 100 wagons, I suppose we simply lynch me right now. Then you don't have to argue about me being town or not. I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you. I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey | ||
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On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote: This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it. And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone. I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing? | ||
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On April 08 2017 02:24 beentheredonethat wrote: I think: 1 townread (shapelog), standalone, is NAI. 3 townreads, in the context of doing nothing else and voting an AFK, is scummy. More specific: [quote=darthfoley]You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. I say "Tumblewood townreads Shapelog" as a description of the act that is happening. This action, without context and standalone, is not alignment indicative. But in the context of two more townreads and a AFK vote that is explained in a really weird way, I think it's scum indicative. Is it clear now? [/QUOTE] Oh okay I actually think this is a better point now. I thought Tumble's entrance was good but i agree that he hasn't really done any memorable shit since. If I can't remember anything someones done, that's a problem | ||
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On April 08 2017 03:18 Shapelog wrote: Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week. Well yea it works for me but I think there's only like 3 NA players | ||
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On April 08 2017 03:51 Shapelog wrote: What do you think of his BTDT read/Read List? Or just in general? My reads are almost completely reversed. I think he could be mafia but I'm more sold on Calix/you/TW having at least one mafia. Wouldn't be opposed to a case/wagon on him | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Seema like i have to fo something since i cant understand whats going on in this game. We are lynching Calix. Do not trust Shapelog on anything because Shapelog is probably mafia. He is interested in talking about anything that is not Calix.See how he just dodges talking properly about Calix in every single occasion. Tumblewood is town and we are not lynching him. Neither are we lynching btdt. You two, you really cant see whats going on here? ##unvote ##vote Calix Yea I haven't seen anything to switch my vote tbh. I find this entire day pretty reminiscent of scum!Eden just afk'ing. | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:42 Shapelog wrote: As long as one of Calix/Tumblewood is lynched today I will be happy. Whats an updated Shapelog reads list? | ||
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I think it's pretty unlikely rayn or koshi were SvS interactions. Shapelog and btdt are much more likely to have been attempts at SvS "interactions" trying to somewhat distance/put pressure on each other but not effective enough pressure to get lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean I still think the spoilered is a terrible post, especially after her scum flip. Look at my filter for a more thorough explanation as to why it's bad in multiple ways. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote: "I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said. Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy. I hope that clears things up. This post also seems like an abrupt/unnatural end to the fight between btdt and Calix from Calix POV. I think it is a cop out to say "well I find your play style generally scummy" because it always gives the person an out to later retract real suspicion by using the excuse (which is kinda what Calix did) On April 06 2017 21:05 Calix wrote: Since we established where the problem was, dumb I think btdt pushed her back on it, but she was also starting to feel pressure from other people (me/rayn/koshi) and he may have concluded it looked too clean a break off to leave it there if it's SvS so he had to commit to some extra pressure | ||
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On April 08 2017 14:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is Shapelog or sicklucker. Why do you consider Btdt to be so unlikely? | ||
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On April 08 2017 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: In any case darthfoley, Koshi and Rels are 100% clear (fucking surprise). Did Rels really have the time given time zones + EoD to orchestrate a real town CW with "valid" points if he were scum? He came in pretty close to EoD when the lynch situation was static. Meh either way he is not worth the theorycrafting right now given the other four who were off-Calix wagon | ||
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On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote: Tumblewood raynpelikoneet koshi darthfoley beentheredonethat Rels Shapelog something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog I have no idea why you have Tumblewood as your most town over everyone who voted for confirmed mafia | ||
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On April 09 2017 07:28 sicklucker wrote: if your doing vote logic you also have to look at who was holding out votes. IF someone was obviously going to vote calix for example but I dont think anyone did. also making it 3-3- he still losses the tie break in most mafia rules I actually agree with sl to the extent that making the vote 3-3 is super risky for scum!Rels considering Calix was AFK and it didn't seem like there was much fluidity of people's opinions at the time. Rayn/Koshi/I were not going to switch off of Calix and I doubt scum!Rels would want to try and argue against a very solid lynch led by the three of us when he could just get town cred off her flip. | ||
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On April 08 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: yeah I'm gonna spend most of today playing Battlerite. BTW you should come play at some point it's a fucking good game Spends all of D1 afk and then pulls the ExO "i'm gonna go play video games" ploy for D2. Forgive me if i'm not convinced like rayn that Rels is town. Hasn't said anything about who he thinks is mafia tbh, just that he's town reading me, koshi, rayn and sl. No idea where his head is at right now | ||
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On April 09 2017 08:20 Shapelog wrote: I actually once wrote 12 pages in like 6 hours before. I.E. Writing is easy for me when I actually want to write. Grammar is good if I get time to edit my posts i have a 15-20 pager due on monday at 10am and i want to kill myself | ||
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On April 09 2017 08:27 Shapelog wrote: What topic? Also (I learned how to due to my battle with my written disgraphia) to improve the rate you write, try writing more and more in shorter times. This will lead to you learning how to masterfully get all the points across and your paragraphs being fully developed. A lot of time when I read other people papers, they are very bland and usually lacking details (even on a college level) needed or have very odd organization/layout. In other news, I didnt realize SL had a 7 page filter lol. + Show Spoiler + I got to choose. But i'm writing on Americans' paradoxical public opinion relationship with science, specifically regarding acceptance of Darwinian evolution between political parties and how the reception of evolution in the US is counter intuitive once you realize that GOP ideology aligns quite well with Darwinian thought. Certainly an intersesting topic, but just a bitch to write. It's for my environmental history class, but i'm a government major so i had to pull it back into politics somehow. | ||
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On April 09 2017 22:53 Shapelog wrote: That i made. Seriously tho, Where are you actually with tumble and Rels? This post tells me nothing bc ironically ur wishy washing in it. Why is the afk scum team weird when you dont know the factors of it? I think your reasoning kind of lines up with what SL and I have already pointed out. Which idk how to feel about. I get what you're saying but you could just be trying to wiggle out. On the other hand, the fact that everyone is voting on you requires 100% of the town to be correct which usually never happens, even if there's only 1 scum left. Plus everyone keeps talking about how simple the game is as an excuse to not play. Maybe it is really that simple. Is Rels your biggest scum read now? | ||
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On April 10 2017 02:18 Shapelog wrote: What ever happen to this? Nothing happened to it. It's still a possibility but I actually like the content of your posts recently. They seem a lot more focused than your posts were earlier and I don't like how everyone has fucked off today as soon as 6 votes were placed on you | ||
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On April 09 2017 18:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled. We're down to one scum, so we have 7 town votes and 1 scum votes. That means that the scum vote isn't that relevant anymore. I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix. but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble. Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess. ##vote Shapelog Why do you need to write an essay just to not change who you're voting for? but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. Why does that feel "weird?" What does "weird" even mean in this context? | ||
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On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck. This read also makes no sense. 1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. 2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck 3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option 4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum? 5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?" | ||
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Ok so darth: BTDT saw me as town/or townish before the flip due to being active and etc. [quote][QUOTE]On April 08 2017 04:04 beentheredonethat wrote: I like Shape's posts. They seem to make sense. Then again they also seem to always summarize what others do/did and they might lack original value. I'm too tired right now to really dive Shape's filter and check but it might be an incentive for [insert whoever is willing to do the work][/QUOTE] Does go on later to say he suppose to be SR me based off as well based off his view on tumble, but then turns it around and says that is not the case After flip, I become who he wants to lynch after he crosses off (at that time) tumble and SL. He also later states that he does not feel certain on me at this point. I remain in that position all the way up to his last post where he votes me, while also weaking his read on tumble and rels. The weaken part concerns me, bc it feels almost as if he is trying to be in a position to go after whom ever the thread chooses to go for after my lynch. This would explain why his posts have been hedgey after calix flipped, and explain the lack of confidence if it is coming from scum!BTDT. Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?[/QUOTE] | ||
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Well yea the remaining scum in this situation has to keep options open and back doors available because of the D1 lynch and now the save in the night. This is one of the main reasons I don't like how btdt has approached the thread recently. | ||
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On April 10 2017 06:16 beentheredonethat wrote: oh darth is actually voting me. okay. Keepin' it spicy | ||
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On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect Meh pre flip scum!Rels also probably wouldn't be expecting a save to happen. Plus early town reads aren't huge commitments at that stage because he could always claim to have fluxtuating reads as he reads up on the thread. Either way, I'm more confident in the remaining scum to be in Shapelog/btdt | ||
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On April 10 2017 13:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay then i think Rels cannot be scum. I think he would have shot Koshi since i am hard-defending him. That's actually a good point | ||
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On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote: in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter. yep. ##Vote Shapelog So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans? | ||
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On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote: there are one and a half fatal assumptions here one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable Why is it highly improbable? | ||
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On April 11 2017 05:21 Tumblewood wrote: idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't. plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours Fair enough. I still don't see why "calix's interactions with btdt make it unlikely they're together" cuz don't mafia often pressure each other early D1 and then back off (which is what she kinda did) | ||
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On April 10 2017 20:40 Rels wrote: Shape's filter doesn't hit me as super scummy by itself. But he's the only logical answer. On April 10 2017 21:40 Rels wrote: That I don't find Shape's filter particulary scummy, but not townie either and everyone else is town. Now that the "logical" answer flipped town, how do you see the game? | ||
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On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote: have no qualms about lynching rels (shape) have some qualms about lynching sl koshi (calix) not lynching today df rayn btdt On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote: yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon? | ||
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Barring some ridiculous play by solo mafia yolo SL or yolo shot holding rayn, they're both town. Koshi is town. Which leaves btdt and Tumblewood. Tumblewood's early game was pretty townie but i've gotten more and more confused with the points he's trying to make later in his filter. This post was good, however. On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect @btdt given what rayn pointed out, do you still think Rels is most likely to be scum? On April 10 2017 06:21 beentheredonethat wrote: This is the final vote count. Four people voted outside of Calix. me, Shapelog, sicklucker, Tumblewood. Tumblewood should be town based on his early interaction with Calix. It's unlikely that scum acts like this on scum. sicklucker claimed doctor. Tumblewood is VT. Leaves Shapelog. If it's not Shapelog, Rels should definitely be moved into scum range. sicklucker's claim holds, the townread on Tumble does, too, and I still have my role PM which says VT, so it should be me or Rels, which is exactly what Shape says. That's a dilemma. But we do have enough mislynches to lynch all three of us, don't we. | ||
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On April 11 2017 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think this is not what makes Rels mafia in case he is mafia here. Like fucking literally Rels doesn't HAVE TO do this if he is mafia, he doesn't have to townread sicklucker for this reason. Why do you - as mafia - townread people for reasons you don't have to????? You are supposed to push mislynches to win games, not townread possible suspects (which sicklucker definitely was because he was defending Calix on D1).... Why does mafia!Rels do what Shapelog claims here? I don't care if it seems irrational, i care about why the fuck does someone who is actually goosd at this game as scum do that???? What makes Rels mafia in the case that he's mafia? | ||
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On April 12 2017 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Same could be said about you and me too... And i don't think i am mafia and i don't think you are mafia. I don't think the same could be said considering you, koshi and I were the ones who applied a lot of pressure on Calix. More than just early D1 feeler pressure. By the time Rels came in that pressure, and her crumbling, was already set in stone. I don't think the two situations are comparable | ||
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On April 11 2017 21:00 Koshi wrote: I do not know why Rels is not the lynch tomorrow. Sicklucker is obviously doctor, or he did an insane play to secure him lylo. In this game mafia doesn't know the setup, so if this is a vt setup he gambled on that and then gambled on not being coutnerclaimed???? Are you all dense or am I wrong about the setup? I didn't read the op. rayn can't be mafia because while I threw the ball, he made the alley hoop. or w.e that is called. And then during night he decides to not kill anybody while he isn't sure there is a doc so he might get docsaved and then be confirmed? Even more confirmed than he already is??? Are you fuckers for real? So everybody should have at least 3 superconfirmed townies himself included. Who is left for me: Rels Tumble btdt df For me the obvious choice is Rels. Didn't do shit, and just gained cred when it was cool. Go lynch that fucker. Darthfoley played well if he is mafia. Cherry picked what he posted and made them incredible. Tumble most likely is town. Read rayn his posts on why. He is just playing like he always plays. Weird or not understandable does NOT equal scum. Not now, not ever. btdt is possibly mafia due to interactions with Calix and bad posts. But he is not mafia due to activity and emotions. So he is not mafia and should not be considered in the next 2 lynches. Or do we lose after 3ml? I don't know. So lynch Rels Then look at how clean dartholey is Then look at how messed up Tumble and btdt are and pick one in lylo. Hopefully I am there and not sicklucker. Also protip to btdt and tumble: Stop calling each other mafia because you don't understand the other person his playstyle. It's dumb. My only qualm as to why Rels isn't mafia is the fact that rayn was the NK target. Like why would Rels target rayn if he's hardcore defending him. It would've made more sense to kill you or me | ||
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On April 11 2017 20:43 beentheredonethat wrote: Simply based on the voting, it's Tumble or Rels. And I think it's Tumble over Rels. There are some ifs: 1. Koshi yolo bussed 2. darthfoley bussed into afk Calix (given df has a lame 4 page filter, that might even be the case) 3. Rayn yolo bussed that make us instantly lose the game I think. More ifs: 1. Rels is scum (he didn't play at all so... yeah) 2. Tumbleweed's mindmeld was staged 3. sicklucker fake claimed into a all vt setup So basically: lynch Tumblewood. If town, carefully consider Rels/(sicklucker vs. darthfoley in a tinfoil world). That's where I'm at. Given that Tumble continues to not have original thoughts and continues to drive-by post, I think it's the most likely scenario. Koshi and Rayn would never yolo bus in this situation. They are good enough players to fabricate shit on someone else and at least give Calix one more day to improve her situation in the town. It doesn't make sense for anyone who voted for Calix except Rels to bus Calix. The votes were 4-2-2 and could've easily consolidated elsewhere if mafia were strong players/early bussers and wanted it to. Idk why my filter length has anything to do with your read on me when it doesn't seem to factor into either Tumblewood or Rels. I'm also unsure as to why your #1 "if" is Rels is scum yet your conclusion is lynch Tumblewood?? Your whole argument for why Tumblewood is mafia Given that Tumble continues to not have original thoughts and continues to drive-by post, I think it's the most likely scenario. is literally Rels 100% of the time in this game. Why is TW more likely mafia than Rels? | ||
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On April 12 2017 01:42 Koshi wrote: cuz rayn can figure shit out. I noticed last game. It took him till D4 but it happened I think rayn is an OK night kill for Rels to make. Especially because Rels maybe not have seen me play. Because I was afk the time he was here. And was going to be afk for another 48 hours. So yeah. rayn was an ok kill. Oh right the whole "i'm gonna be AFK for 96 hours and then catch up" thing. Hmm. I feel like everything else Rels has done is just filler/buying himself time. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2017 17:47 Rels wrote: I swear I will play at some point. On April 08 2017 05:52 Rels wrote: This game really looks it's gonna be easy (= I'm at exactly the same reads at that page (= On April 08 2017 20:05 Rels wrote: yeah I'm gonna spend most of today playing Battlerite. BTW you should come play at some point it's a fucking good game On April 08 2017 22:05 Rels wrote: kinda. Playing at the same time so there might be long times between posts On April 10 2017 20:40 Rels wrote: Shape's filter doesn't hit me as super scummy by itself. But he's the only logical answer. Rels' filter is absolute cringe. On April 10 2017 22:26 Rels wrote: so you think the game is not over in the next day ? I also don't understand this question at all. Rels' 1.3 posts this whole game were about how SL is town and Shapelog is mafia even though he's not scummy. Then this question that sounds accusatory (implying SL has TMI somehow?) towards his biggest TR... when the dude has claimed doc. | ||
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On April 12 2017 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Did Shapelog have 2 votes when Rels voted? Nope. Here's the sequence + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2017 01:36 Hapahauli wrote: Vote-or-die: Calix (2) - Koshi, darthfoley Tumblewood (1) - beentheredonethat Rels (1) - Tumblewood Sicklucker (1) - raynpelikoneet beentheredonethat (1) - sicklucker Not Voting (3) - Calix, Rels, Shapelog Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread will count. The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00). On April 08 2017 03:17 Shapelog wrote: #Vote: Tumblewood On April 08 2017 04:02 Tumblewood wrote: ##unvote ##vote shapelog On April 08 2017 04:19 Tumblewood wrote: ##unvote ##vote rels On April 08 2017 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote ##vote Calix On April 08 2017 06:28 Rels wrote: ##Vote Calix On April 08 2017 06:54 sicklucker wrote: #unvote ##vote shapelog On April 08 2017 07:38 Hapahauli wrote: Vote-or-die: Calix (4) - Koshi, darthfoley, raynpelikoneet, Rels Tumblewood (2) - beentheredonethat, Shapelog Rels (1) - Tumblewood Shapelog (1) - sicklucker Not Voting (1) - Calix Whoever has the most votes at the end of the day (plurality) will be lynched. Only votes in the voting thread will count. The day will end in at 01:30 GMT (+00:00). On April 08 2017 09:36 Tumblewood wrote: ##unvote ##vote shapelog | ||
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On April 12 2017 21:41 Koshi wrote: Rels can you type up some words around the case I quoted from Shape on you? why did you vote for Tumble? Rels keeps saying he's gonna come in and play the game and he hasn't done jack shit | ||
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On April 13 2017 08:06 Koshi wrote: Nha I am out. You fucking suck ass Rels. I don't understand why you went 0 to 100 within like 3 posts. + Show Spoiler + fake rage Koshi? Don't do this to me man | ||
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On April 14 2017 16:30 Koshi wrote: I could actually doubt it is TW but w.e. Let's lynch him I guess This doesn't inspire me with confidence | ||
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Also btdt why does Koshi bussing feel fucked up? I just don't understand the language behind that. You're basically conceding a loss if Koshi bussed. Idk i just don't understand the recent play in the thread. Like SL and I seem to be the only ones considering any possibilities outside of TW. Feels especially "fucked up" considering scum!Koshi or scum!btdt only need one ML to win. | ||
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On April 14 2017 17:11 Tumblewood wrote: I'd put it at like 80% Koshi 20% df. just read through df's filter and there really isn't anything scummy at all but idk it could be him probably not though. gotta give it the old college try with koshi So you're still committed to btdt and SL being town? | ||
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On April 15 2017 23:56 Koshi wrote: yeah. I just think it is Darthfoley tbh. ##vote Darthfoley The only problem is that i'm town m8 | ||
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On April 15 2017 19:29 beentheredonethat wrote: sicklucker wasn't killed for wifom reasons but noone is wifoming, what the fuck makes me wanna wifom what does this even mean | ||
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On April 15 2017 20:41 Koshi wrote: This post is bad because it nowhere shows that you have been in this game paying attention. It's a summary of 1 page and you have forgotten all other things. It isn't bad. I have been paying attention, especially recently and I didn't like your outlook (which is a moot point now) but I especially don't like the way btdt has treated the game in the past couple days | ||
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On April 16 2017 04:46 Tumblewood wrote: I guess it's df? I think? it still could be btdt I suppose but it doesn't make a whole lotta sense. one thing I've gotta ask: sl, Koshi, how did you know what the other was doing without a qt to coordinate it? like why did Koshi not yell about a fakeclaim? Because he didn't have to. Either SL was going to get targeted at some point and die or SL was going to be policy lynched around this time anyways. It's actually a sick play tbh | ||
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On April 16 2017 05:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Three guys left. Btdt Tumble Darth From my point of view, its won. Lynch Tumble / darth. Town!df would not switch from Tumble to me. He was fine with Shape, fine with Rels, but uh-oh, if Tumble flips VT, df is fucked. Df did nothing during the game. I town passed him all game long for his early vote on Calix. He didnt do anything but was content on all the boring lynches and they all flipped vt. Now voting me. Because Tumble wouldn't kill sicklucker, the claimed doc? Nah. Lynch df and Tumble. One of them is scum. Game over. Lynch me, and we're done. I've done nothing? Have you read my filter dude? I was the main case on Shapelog and I explained why I thought Rels was mafia. No idea what game you've been reading. scum!Tumble wouldn't kill SL because WIFOM SL being alive is the only way Tumble could win the game. If he kills SL, the F4 is me you Koshi and TW, all of whom have basically already said they would vote off TW. So yea, don't think TW would kill SL here | ||
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On April 16 2017 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: I wouldn't kill sl, but that's just because if I kill him or df then whoops I suddenly have 2 votes unswervingly going against me. if anyone I'd probably have killed you Exactly! | ||
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He didnt do anything but was content on all the boring lynches and they all flipped vt. When I actively tried to make the Shapelog day interesting and get you to play more by voting on you (which worked btw) and I pushed Rels > TW on that day even when rayn said always lynch TW. I guess that means I was content on everything!!!1! | ||
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On April 16 2017 05:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Three guys left. Btdt Tumble Darth From my point of view, its won. Lynch Tumble / darth. Town!df would not switch from Tumble to me. He was fine with Shape, fine with Rels, but uh-oh, if Tumble flips VT, df is fucked. Df did nothing during the game. I town passed him all game long for his early vote on Calix. He didnt do anything but was content on all the boring lynches and they all flipped vt. Now voting me. Because Tumble wouldn't kill sicklucker, the claimed doc? Nah. Lynch df and Tumble. One of them is scum. Game over. Lynch me, and we're done. What have you done during the game... while you say I have done nothing? | ||
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On April 16 2017 05:53 beentheredonethat wrote: Three guys left. Btdt Tumble Darth From my point of view, its won. Lynch Tumble / darth. Town!df would not switch from Tumble to me. He was fine with Shape, fine with Rels, but uh-oh, if Tumble flips VT, df is fucked. Df did nothing during the game. I town passed him all game long for his early vote on Calix. He didnt do anything but was content on all the boring lynches and they all flipped vt. Now voting me. Because Tumble wouldn't kill sicklucker, the claimed doc? Nah. Lynch df and Tumble. One of them is scum. Game over. Lynch me, and we're done. Also why would lynching you = the town being done? Makes no sense | ||
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On April 16 2017 08:58 sicklucker wrote: also mafia can probably not kill themselves therefore I am 100% confirmed town. not even up for debate well in theory you could've held shot again but again not likely | ||
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On April 16 2017 09:01 sicklucker wrote: no because one of me and koshi are always town. how could we coordinate this? yea one of you is always town but if you were mafia you could've yolo pretended to save someone again today by not shooting. either way it doesn't make much sense to discuss because you and koshi are just town | ||
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Outside of the first interaction of the game between btdt and Calix, I don't remember anything btdt has done. I didn't like his emotional melt down at the time and it still doesn't sit right with me. Especially with how quickly it turned around. Idk, I don't ever town read someone for appealing to emotion anymore. Plus btdt was talking about how he was never going to move off of TW (before you got saved) and now it seems he wants to lynch me before TW, even though his case on me is butt. He has talked in contingencies all game, e.g. "we lynch X; if X is town, then we lynch Y and Z and then the game is over!" It has just seemed very flow charty. Especially with him saying lynch df into Tumble... you mislynch the "stronger town" and it goes to F3 between Koshi, btdt and the "weaker town" TW. Basically GG for btdt | ||
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On April 16 2017 21:44 Koshi wrote: Hmm don't think darthfoley has been solving this game. I just read his filter and he never tries to push to clear somebody. Or pushes a good townread into the game. Try to convince people. Well I just don't agree with your analysis of my play. Every point against Calix I made you have claimed to be TMI, then accuse me of not trying to solve the game. How the fuck am I supposed to be town if you attribute everything to TMI? Not sure what you mean with the bold. I town read you and rayn but NOT Rels when other people were fine "clearing" him. I've never been sold on btdt being town, but i'm sold on TW being town, in a final 5, in which I need two mislynches to win. Makes a lot of sense. I was the major case on Shapelog and the main reason everyone ganged up on him. In retrospect, I was wrong, but the idea that I "haven't been trying to find mafia" is equally wrong. On April 08 2017 14:04 darthfoley wrote: Looked through Calix's filter and she only really interacted with rayn, Shapelog, Koshi and btdt. I think it's pretty unlikely rayn or koshi were SvS interactions. Shapelog and btdt are much more likely to have been attempts at SvS "interactions" trying to somewhat distance/put pressure on each other but not effective enough pressure to get lynched. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 22:37 Shapelog wrote: Alright, here where I stand with the conversation between Calix and BTDT. For Calix side, the following makes me think they are more town then scum when I look at this part. I personally think that if Calix was scum, they would of not posted this. It would make sense for Scum!Calix to keep on BTDT as to have a excuse to post, and also because of the what apparently happen with a misunderstanding last game. I do acknowledge that Calix could be backing off here as scum due to a lack of footing on BTDT, but I expect that they would keep on for later credit of being active D1 or even for being on BTDT/Ryan later on if either got into negative light. Moreover, BTDT was more in the mood of keeping the fight going on. Which would allow scum!calix to hide in what would prob. develop into a shitfight with BTDT for getting pass d1. However, I personally do not see anything I really like in calix's points. Some I dont really understand the way calix talks (I.E. calix posts kinda feel a bit circlejerking? If that makes sense, prob doesnt). Also, I do feel as there should be more from calix if they are town and though something about BTDT is scummy. I don't get the stance of "waiting to question you" at all either. But doesn't feel like calix is at the stage of mafia discrediting that is usually happening at this stage of the game hmmm. I will say that I would rank calix a bit above null into the town lean range b/c while I do not understand calix overall stance, I think the clear out looks more town then mafia in my eyes. Flipsid3, I think BTDT also displayed similar actions regarding koshi's meta point and not voting calix. His posts dont feel like he is being pressured in my eyes, and seems more of him trying to figure out calixs point while being mad at calix logic. One could state that he is being pretty agressive in a way, but I just chop it up to him as taking a stance at figuring out the game. Don't really have a issue with him right now. More towny then Calix and working his way up to a town lean I still think the spoilered is a terrible post, especially after her scum flip. Look at my filter for a more thorough explanation as to why it's bad in multiple ways. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2017 20:35 Calix wrote: "I find you GENERALLY scummy" is what I said. Found the problem. You're misinterpreting that as me specifically finding you scummy in this game when I was trying to say that I find your playstyle scummy. I hope that clears things up. This post also seems like an abrupt/unnatural end to the fight between btdt and Calix from Calix POV. I think it is a cop out to say "well I find your play style generally scummy" because it always gives the person an out to later retract real suspicion by using the excuse (which is kinda what Calix did) I think btdt pushed her back on it, but she was also starting to feel pressure from other people (me/rayn/koshi) and he may have concluded it looked too clean a break off to leave it there if it's SvS so he had to commit to some extra pressure I was the only person trying to interact with Shapelog and change the trajectory of the day when everyone else voted for him and fucked off. While basically everyone was content to just sit on their asses and vote off Shapelog (who became increasingly town as D2 went along), I was actively trying to figure shit out and move the game. I voted for btdt and all of a sudden he ran into the thread with these huge wall of texts that made no sense to write, just to say nothing. On April 10 2017 02:28 darthfoley wrote: Why do you need to write an essay just to not change who you're voting for? Why does that feel "weird?" What does "weird" even mean in this context? I've repeated over and over why btdt's play around Calix's lynch doesn't sit right with me. You can also look through Shapelog's filter at his case on btdt because he agreed with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2017 05:25 Shapelog wrote: 1) Yes but its the timing of it and the way your doing it that is worrying me. And your doing it with easy targets if your mafia. That is my biggest issue with it. Mafia now has to plan out how the living hell to get 3 ML's and one Lylo (unless they are dumb and it gets blocked by SL again.) With who is alive rn, and who I currently suspect. I don't think any of the people with enough credibility (minus Darth maybe but see 3) ) to pull that off. So they cannot purely live based off that, so they must now start considering ways to make the rest of the sus. townies worse then them, while digging themselves out of "Shape is last mafia" read. 2) Your discrediting your own reasoning to see them as town tho. It be like saying "Ryan is town for what he did with calix etc." then saying "You shouldn't be putting that much stock into Ryan's interactions with calix." It doesn't make sense you posting to the thread the latter when your reads are first ""'s. 3) That came after the night result and SL claimed doc basically. You can check the post if you want to, but basically. I believe tumble is town based off calix. Koshi is town as well. SL I believe his claim, and prob. healed Ryan which confirms ryan. Even if he didn't, I still think ryan is town. I think darth is town, but not as much as everyone else just bc I lack enough to confirm him in my mind. Therefore, I am left with Rels or you being scum after the night flip. So I Highly believe scum is either between you two, with the off chance of it being darth (or maybe tumble if he doesn't do anything my day 3). 4) But then you posted what you did discrediting it imo. Which doesn't progress or help what you posted in the night at all with your reads. Touchee with the second paragraph 5) Bc i dont really believe your as ok with your vote as you made it out seem in your reply which strike me as odd. 6) Well i didn't know about you not fully rereading him. But still, I don't see you posting what you did if I am the only real sus person for you rn, even if you think you are wrong. If you have doubts, I would also suspect you if you thought that to start looking at other people again (which should of happen now in my mind since you were unsure earlier about me) Maybe this is just a POV and preference on the matter. I don't think we are going to get anywhere with this point in the long run. Tbh I think I have posted more content to shitpost ratio filled post this game then in like the last 3 games I have played. You have no idea how hard it is not to troll rn and claim scum as town. I was also the first person to point out the opportunistic voting situation of Rels and why that was scum motivated. On April 10 2017 02:37 darthfoley wrote: This read also makes no sense. 1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. 2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck 3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option 4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum? 5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?" If you want to talk about TMI Yes i've been wrong so far since D1 but so has everyone else. While others have sat around and been content with lynching Shapelog --> Rels, I was actively trying to find mafia. This line of reasoning that I "haven't done anything" is just so lazy and so false that it boggles the mind. I'm really disappointed that Koshi is drinking the Kool-Aid | ||
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On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote: I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck. The reasoning behind this read is still absolute butt cheeks btw and makes no sense On April 08 2017 02:11 darthfoley wrote: I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you. I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey Also still don't like how btdt played the pity card. Felt unnatural as shit and still does | ||
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On April 17 2017 01:41 beentheredonethat wrote: df/Tumble. I don't care too much who it is right now as town wins as long as we lynch both. I'm fine with voting with Koshi however. So let's see if darthfoley is the last scum or if it's Tumble. So who are you voting for, and why? | ||
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On April 17 2017 02:58 sicklucker wrote: then probably do more then just be happy withh a poe this is what he's done all game. don't know why you're surprised | ||
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On April 16 2017 04:46 Tumblewood wrote: I guess it's df? I think? it still could be btdt I suppose but it doesn't make a whole lotta sense. one thing I've gotta ask: sl, Koshi, how did you know what the other was doing without a qt to coordinate it? like why did Koshi not yell about a fakeclaim? wait why does it make more sense for me to be mafia? | ||
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On April 17 2017 03:06 sicklucker wrote: i might go for beenthere. i just reread the saposed calix conversation that made him confirmed town via ryan and it just looks like spam. he never even votes him Outside of that I legit don't know what he's done or what he's pushed. On April 08 2017 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either. Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood. On April 07 2017 20:26 beentheredonethat wrote: I have to admit that while I'm okay with a sicklucker lynch, I am fully aware it's more of a "I don't like this guy right now because what he's doing upsets me" thing and not based on a solid scum read. On April 09 2017 18:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Hi. voting shape seems to be the obvious thing. Worth a try but I am paranoid over Shape being town. There are some things in his filter that feel a lot like it and people might be tunneled. We're down to one scum, so we have 7 town votes and 1 scum votes. That means that the scum vote isn't that relevant anymore. I think Tumble might get too easy town credit. Yes I know that I give him town credit for the Calix/Tumble is unlikely stuff but it's not a full clear. Same goes for Rels, someone said that it would've been a big risk for scum!Rels to make the wagon 3-3 with a AFK Calix. but then again, a Rels/Calix scumteam feels weird given the level of afk'ness that both have/had. My main pain points on Shape are hedging and committing to the wrong wagon. But: he could've voted with Tumbe/Sicklucker as there was (imho) no way more people would pile on TW. I wasn't in thread and thread wasn't interested in Tumble. Maybe it's just town paranoia. My top townreads do vote for shape. So while I'm still paranoid, it's okay I guess. ##vote Shapelog These are just a few of the scummy posts in his filter. He seems okay with saying he doesn't agree with stuff (surprisingly they turn out to be town!) but does the stuff anyways | ||
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1) btdt's explanations don't make sense 2) neither do Koshi's, but he's town 3) TW hasn't explained why he's voting for me over btdt please reevaluate because i'm starting to feel like town loses if both btdt and TW end up in the F3 cuz one is lynch bait and one is scummy | ||
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On April 17 2017 03:24 sicklucker wrote: I can totally still see you being mafia. if you are mafia you only pushed the easy people all game after calix as well well the "easy" people were scummy so I don't regret pushing them. at least I pushed someone | ||
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On April 17 2017 05:52 Koshi wrote: Go vote TW. Trust rayn Trust Rels I just don't understand why scum!TW would try to kill SL considering a WIFOM F4 with SL still alive is the only way he could've won. Unless he actually thought he could get us to vote you off | ||
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f4 is me, koshi, btdt and TW. How does he get out of that? | ||
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On April 17 2017 07:36 beentheredonethat wrote: If sl chooses to fuck the game up lol fine Toxic wtf is your issue dude | ||
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On April 17 2017 08:56 sicklucker wrote: darthfoley (2) - beentheredonethat, Tumblewood i mean i think its blantantly obv a scum tumble and btdt need this darth ml. with the darth "bus" I think we always choose him over the other 2. Thats my 2 centa koshi gl do you want to switch to Tumble? I think that's the only thing we can do right now | ||
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On April 17 2017 09:32 sicklucker wrote: ah ya if it comes to it is koshi rly afk? it's 2:40AM euro time so it wouldn't surprise me | ||
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On April 17 2017 10:11 Tumblewood wrote: btdt is definitely the hero of his own story and that def makes him town what does this even mean | ||
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On April 17 2017 10:16 Tumblewood wrote: it is obvious from the way btdt posts that he sees himself as a sort of glorious crusader like how he got offended at being called good town. scum!btdt takes that and rolls with it, because bad town is bad. but btdt is mad because he thinks he's on the right track what has his track been? He hasn't been on any sort of track | ||
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On April 17 2017 17:22 beentheredonethat wrote: sicklucker if you dare to vote me then you have understood nothing about how darthfoley coasted all game long. it's all up to you however. Not trying to convince you here. It's all up to you and your sick plays. have fun. koshi leave some advice please. yes, I've coasted, coming from the guy who also said this + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote: hm that's right but I feel like I'm in too deep already. So first of all, I'm not putting in the efforts I should put in. I am lazy at posting - not explaining my thought process properly, nor am I reviewing my reads in a good manner. I do read the thread but I only open a filter here and there and see what to get out of it. So the consequences are that people scumread me because they have no idea about how I reached my conclusions. Which is perfectly fine, I'm more mad at myself right now. On April 10 2017 06:12 beentheredonethat wrote: Lemme try. 1) I don't know why the timing should worry you. I have adjusted my reads based upon a major event in the game: a flip. A scum player was confirmed. I have mostly tried to adjust my reads based on Calix flipping scum. And I have begun doing so during the Night phase, meaning at a time where there was no vote on you yet. What particular timing are you talking about? 2) I'm not discrediting my reasoning to see Rayn and darth as town. I have reached my own conclusion: "they voted Calix very early, especially rayn kept pushing Calix. They are probably town." You are misinterpreting what I said, especially since you ignore the fact that I was solely talking about myself and how people should see my townreads. I am pretty sure on Rayn and darth, I am not-so-sure about Tumble, SL and Rels, but I'm sure enough on them to lynch you. 3) Well okay, that's just fine. Pretty much my own conclusion, except I'm not 100% sold on the doc claim. The last scum is most likely between you, me, sicklucker/, (Rels, Tumble, Darth,) in that order, with the guys in brackets being townreads of mine. So basically we scumread each other for the same PoE reasons. Lol. 4) Not sure what to reply to this. I don't think I discredited my Tumble townread but even if I did, it might simply come from the fact that he's nowhere near locked town right now. If it's not shape, if it's not SL/Rels, then Tumble would be my next consideration. But I do realize that I'm judging a lot by gut feeling and am very close to guessing, so what I should do if Shape flips town is actually reading sicklucker without prejudice and re-reading Tumble and finally policy lynching Rels as he keeps not playing. regarding policy and Koshi: I'll just pretend he's town and ride or die. And brag post game about how shitty it is to go afk for 96 hours. 5) I'll put it like this: "I am okay with my vote on Shape but I am aware that I have not put in too much work." Basically right now, I am lazy town being okay with a Shape lynch as it clears a variable. Because still, what you do, is very hedgy and non-commital. If you flip town, I'll have to carefully reconsider what to do with sicklucker/Rels. 6) Yeah technically I should re-read others and try to find reasons to not lynch you. But then again, as I said, I think 60-75% is a good chance to not have to do that work. Finding the last scum will be hard anyway, it's really hit or miss as Calix chose to not really interact with people. Just stop flailing dude. The jig is up. To whom it may concern, I am town. Btdt is not. Lynch him and town wins. Lynch me and town loses Truly yours, darthfoley | ||
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1) factually inaccurate 2) what he has done this whole game. Just scum read yourself and be done with it | ||
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On April 18 2017 05:02 beentheredonethat wrote: That's wrong - I have pushed my lynch all game long, and Tumble turned out VT. That leaves you since Koshi is doc and sicklucker got doc-confirmed. It's really that easy, it's not even about coasting or anything. You're simply the last scum and 80% of your towncred comes from bussing Calix. 100% of your town cred comes from a conversation one hour into the game and you throwing a hissy fit. Sorry you feel that way Koshi | ||
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On April 18 2017 05:33 beentheredonethat wrote: That's wrong Oo. I have explained myself over and over again. I have as well re-explained why I think Tumble is scum AND I have answered to pretty much every single question (esp. from Shapelog) that was directed towards me. What you are taking about is your scummate, Calix, pushing me at the beginning of the game, and then backing off of me for whatever reason. I continued to discuss with her though. All you did was sit back and let lynches happen. The only point where you got active was when you realized that your nightkill was blocked by the doctor. You got away because people looked scummier than you. That's the whole story of darthfoley in this game. Nah, I was the main reason Shapelog got lynched and I cased Rels as much as a three page filter could provide. I didn't sit back nor did I let lynches happen at any point. I actually tried to talk to Shapelog on the day he was lynched while you sit back and let nothing happen. I've been active the whole game. Anyways, there's no point in arguing with you because you're scum. I'll take my case into the final three | ||
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On April 18 2017 06:46 beentheredonethat wrote: "Casing Rels" must be so exhausting since his filter leaves close to nothing to work with. Your only this read entire game was TW yet you tried to mislynch me yesterday, probably knowing that you were an insta win in a final 3 with SL/Koshi + TW. If you were so sure TW was scum, why didn't you "sheep" Koshi and vote TW with him last night; after all, you had been okay doing that multiple times earlier in the game. | ||
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On April 10 2017 04:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Of course I get out of reads. Reads are subject to change over the course of the game. Everyone who says "this guy is 100% alignment x" and is always right is scum. You say: Because I might be wrong Oo. I want everyone to not sheep me but instead develop their own opinions. Especially in terms of town reads I am not supposed to make everyone my townreads their townreads. I'd do so if one of my townreads would be up for the lynch which is not the case. If it's either me or Rels, why did you absolutely not care about me or Rels previously? Why did you even vote with me? Why didn't you vote for Rels? And where do you get this very high probability from? It's rather easy: my top scumread changed to a townread. I have not put in the work (freely admitting that) to re-read everyone, especially since I am fairly happy with you being lynched - I think the chance that you flip scum is at a decent 60-75%. I freely admit to not having original scumreads on my own right now - which might be scum indicative but to be frank I don't care too much what people think at this point. I mean what's wrong with voting with my top town reads, especially rayn, given that he was the main incentive in lynching Calix which turned out to be a good move? Yeah, that's true. I'm not 100% sure you're scum, and if Calix had flipped town, I'm pretty sure I'd still be going for Tumblewood way over you. The things you have going for you are things like activity, things like "I have to flip sooner or later because I won't be able to clear myself anyways" which I fully understand (I have the same feeling about myself to be honest, if you don't flip scum, I expect a rather fast mislynch on me) I do not really know thought what you want to achieve with writing what you wrote there. Yeah, I do. As you correctly wrote, if you're not scum, all I have left is technically Koshi, who's also townie to me (he voted Calix early, right?). But remember D1. I got blamed as "bad town" a subjective 10000 times. It's quite possible that I'm wrong on things. That makes me unsure. (it's ironic because btdt is apparently king of the original scum reads) | ||
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On April 18 2017 16:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Voting darthfoley and expecting some more half-assed attempts to get me lynched . I've made my case against you multiple times. If Koshi can't see the light then it's his problem, not mine. I'm done with this fuck ass game | ||
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On April 20 2017 07:26 Koshi wrote: The emotion was good. wp if mafia. The conversation with Calix was decent. wp if mafia. The confusion around the second docsave was well done. wp if mafia. Overall better activity than df. Overall a way more convincing/game solving filter than df. tbh I would be surprised. i just can't understand this point. i must just view this game fundamentally different than you because i have done more than he has all game even having a shorter filter. oh well apparently i hammered my partner D1 when I could've gone after lynch bait #1 (TW) and/or lynch bait #2 (Shapelog). then i was the only person to not be content with 8 votes on Shapelog within 2 seconds of D2 starting, so i actually worked with him to try and solve the game while everyone else did jack shit. he was as sus of btdt as i was; apparently we were right. then i hard read TW as town in a F5 when I need two mislynches -- meanwhile you have captain PoE over there doing nothing, saying TW is his hard scum read but voting me off to try and get an easy F3 win against TW. Apparently it's an easy win either way. WP IF MAFIA BRO lmao then i apparently kill SL to ensure myself a loss in the f3 + Show Spoiler + i'm sorry rayn. idk how much more obvious this choice can be, apparently koshi is just too damn stubborn+ Show Spoiler + fucking+ Show Spoiler + facepalm | ||
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On April 20 2017 07:45 beentheredonethat wrote: I thought about writing something like "what if Koshi is mafia and sicklucker fucked us up" but that's like beyond impossible at this point. Leaves df. gonna go sleep now. looking forward to a town win. tbf it's not impossible, just very unlikely and super swaggy | ||
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I have an idea. A wonderfully awful idea. But it's so tempting. So so tempting. High risk, high reward? Not sure. I fear if TW flips town, the hounds come after me. SL is the simple kill... but what if I pull off the heist: what if I shoot btdt? Doesn't that force Koshi to never suspect me? If I shoot btdt, Rels kind of has to go after SL, no? Why else would SL be alive? Look at post #894: "I dont know maybe im just lazy but if im scum in his spot I afk or concede -_-"; he makes that post before he eventually claims doc. Maybe it's just the YOLO play because he's already in such a shit spot after Calix flip and gets demotivated, wants to troll How could the paranoia of SL still being alive and Rels doing nothing ever get me lynched? SL would have to choose to save between Me, Koshi, btdt. Maybe he's super sick and figures out my ploy to shoot btdt and saves him. But doesn't that just implicate Rels even further? It's basically the only kill scum!Rels could do in that situation... everyone has cleared btdt, Koshi and me. If SL dies, how the fuck can scum!Rels ever wiggle out of that lynch? He has to go 50/50 against a doc who's been alive too long in the F4. In fact, maybe i've just convinced myself of the smartest play in the game. Or the dumbest. Only time will tell. I'm doing a good job of convincing myself that Rels is scum. I am town. War is peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is strength. Down with BTDT Insert TW instead of Rels. Would've won the game EZ. Also ironic that I had a blue read on you early SL, which kinda "confirmed" you as doc in my mind. Koshi played it very well in that sense | ||
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On April 20 2017 12:23 sicklucker wrote: df how mad were you when we got that second save. I didnt really play that good but that one extra lynch did win us the game w00t i was super pissed. I felt like I had to kill you going into F3; scum!btdt would kill you ALWAYS in that situation. I was hoping Koshi was baiting the SL kill into hammer onto Btdt. A little disappointed he didn't give me a chance ;D The frustration at the end was legit tho, i actually felt like i had been more beneficial to the town than Btdt. After all, I hammered a mafia and helped with two saves lol. Only reason I didn't kill Koshi n1 is because he said he was gonna be afk for 96 hours. fml | ||
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On April 21 2017 01:36 Koshi wrote: No I already had one. It should have been df though. And then rayn 50 points. And sicklucker maybeeee 25. I don't know why iamp loves sl so much. MVP has to be on the winning team i think | ||
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On April 21 2017 05:03 Onegu wrote: MVP wont go to someone who was MVP already since it is for a qualifying spot. So koshi cant get it. Must be on the winning team. Sorry DF. SL play affected who was attempted to be shot and helped saves being made. So if Koshi and DF cannot get it, who other than SL should? nah i agree. i didn't realize you couldn't be 2x mvp | ||
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On April 22 2017 06:01 Hapahauli wrote: The game itself was pretty simple. Some of the better players picked up on Calix's awkward conversations in the early game. Her disappearance made her the path of least resistance to lynch, which is a death sentence in these plurality games. Darthfoley was obviously much harder to catch because of his "cleaner" play and the town-cred he got from bussing Calix early and hard. One of the hardest things for town to navigate around is bussing plays, and this game made me think a lot about how to identify possible bussing situations and when you should be considering them. Town could have benefited from considering Calix's slot more, and the circumstances around her lynch. The lack of resistance around actually lynching her (sudden disappearance and long-term Day 1 inactivity) made a bussing play a lot more likely than in a normal situation. With Calix not showing up to defend herself, it makes very little sense for a mafia buddy to try to look bad defending her. Or at the very least, it makes a bussing play much much more attractive. If your partner isn't fighting and is going to go down, why put any credibility and effort into defending said partner? Analysis in hindsight of course, but certainly worth thinking about in future games. Indeed. That's exactly the argument I used against Rels. I originally put my vote on Calix because she was being scummy and I could either 1) be on the bus early and get a lot of town cred, or 2) Calix would come back, play a bit more solid and I could jump off voting her and hammer someone else. When she didn't return, I realized I had put myself in a decent situation with a single early vote. | ||
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