On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose?
also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit.
disformation explains the game, the universe and everything else
Note that the names in this story will be greatly obfuscated to make incidental confusion with real existing persons impossible.
A long long time ago this game has been created. This was widely considered a bad move, as it made quite a bunch of people slightly agitated.
Chapter 1: teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer while some may say his confidence in his reads is magical and he is conjuring them out of his hat, he recently has made himself untouchable by wearing silly pants. Unless he gets beaten in a dance off and gets his title of great sorcerer rescinded he shall remain true to the protagonists. sler/GMA, the doctor who? 2981nede, the defect robot rears his robotic head between random outages to confuse the protagonists with riddles. appears to have gone offline completely after the protagonists were able to correctly answer the last riddle with "confucius you need to fill your bowl with some shit that makes some sense!"
doowelbmut, the confused Seems quite unsure of his own role in this play. A lot of his lines have been beaten like a dead horse already, but let me look at the forest of dead horses here: He has few lines and some are quite baffling, but he displays quite a range of emotion. This specific mix of paranoia, stubbornness and confusion is more likely to be displayed by a protagonist. + Show Spoiler [paranoia] +
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
On March 17 2017 11:46 Tumblewood wrote: but also it's a little iffy to towncircle them already hopefully a throwaway circle though?
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
Rayn, in town circle? Hasn't he been just null/scum read by everyone?
What were your reads on me/Koski/Damdred then?
ya but he's still too early to read I was null on all of them. there are reasons I could claim scum/town on one of them but they are pretty lame
On March 19 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: my trust of rayn has gone down to 1% since yesterday his pushes just make me uncomfortable. especially the part where he calls malongo scum (which i am still really not seeing?) and even without him on the wagon it gets 5 votes. something is up plus i see him winning this argument with onegu all of a sudden and ugh i need to go but it is all sorts of bad i am voting and then i am outie outie trust me on this one. but maybe not too much
On March 19 2017 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: the thing that gets me is, how the hell is rayn so confident on a guy with half a page of filter including pregame? there is a lot wrong with this wagon I want this lynch to not happen more strongly that I just said
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote: I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response ok:
- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn - when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world" - then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon - then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn - I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn - but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about - after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town
I doubted myself okay
I still have the problem that he does not help the protagonists in catching the antagonists much. So he gets entirely carried by his tone. I am cool with giving him a bit of time still, since his tone is more likely town after all, but I really want to step him up a bit when the game goes on. Overall: sliiiiight town lean. to be continued... next episode: derdmad, the ethereal oak and [i]solatax, the rolling thunder[i], who is currently losing a dance off against teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer.
On March 20 2017 23:20 Calix wrote: What the fuck did I just read?
bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading xatasolatax, the rolling thunder
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
what do you think of damdred's questioning on tw about deadline? i think his questioning was quite good and that gave me the feeling damdred was actually looking into the game at deadline. but damdred had a lot of posts saying how he disliked eden, thats true.
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
what do you think of damdred's questioning on tw about deadline? i think his questioning was quite good and that gave me the feeling damdred was actually looking into the game at deadline. but damdred had a lot of posts saying how he disliked eden, thats true.
to further elaborate: i saw the same thing, but liked him looking into tw. and got another, albeit weak, pointer for a town dred. so far i got: derdmad, the ethereal oak calls out 2981nede's bad riddles, before it twas cool:
On March 18 2017 02:55 Damdred wrote: At least 2 mafia in mal, onegu, rels, df, Eden.
Everyone else has a reason I don't want to Lynch today.
I kinda expect one mafia in my town reads but I hope not.
On March 19 2017 00:48 Damdred wrote: I also don't like eden, and I am with xata thatch don't lol all the weak things rayn has pushed+disinterested that his lynch isn't leading now. Idk I understand the I think both are scum and idc mindset But seems to passive for rayn.
Eden tone ply method I attack seems off so far to me, butbi new to check on a few things.
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.
I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there
I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
Let me rephrase, the not doing anything.
Eden isn't being proactive in how he reads the thread and just cares about how he looks like I is doing somrthing. He throws his vote down without any real interaction towards others in the thread that could away the vote towards his target.
So the true colors of 2981nede might reveal the colours of the venerable oak as well. One might ask why derdmad didnt want to push the robot harder, which confuses the author quite a bit. But he also got distracted by the passer by doowelbmut before the hang time.
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
which was quite the sharp observation and a good question to ask. and I'd say the willingness to be around the hanging time and asking quite good questions instead of vanishing into the forest is quite green of the oak. emotional display:
On March 19 2017 03:50 Damdred wrote: I would so v willing to be lynched right now if rayn would apologize for ignoring me all game and calling all mybposts not smart when he has said exactly whatvi did multiple times.
Who I with me I'll even hammer myself.
On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote: I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.
Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.
At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.
Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.
I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.
There was a old legend which said that an emotional oak is a helpful oak and a robotic oak is a harmful oak. Can any traveler tell me if that still holds true? another quite good observation by the oak:
On March 20 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote: But you haven't scum hunted almost at all lately and you keep hinting that you think scum is in the top players and lynch bait your scared of. (Besides rels)
But none of them are in your posts and you don't seem to want to question then stm
so tldr: [+] I liked him questioning tw and the question of calix and thought it was generally more town to be active/asking good questions around deadline and i think the emotional stuff is more towndamdy. [-] 0 clue why he didnt push eden over mal
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
This is a total misrepresentation...
1) I specifically ask mal questions to his first post about not liking either mine or disformation wagon. He ignores this question, and I specifically point out that he is ignoring the question and should return to it. Mal never answers this question.
This facilitates a vote later on in the day, Rayn points out the same thing in a later post.
2) I make a case on why I do not like Eden, I do not believe I ever said that Eden is a better lynch? I'm unsure why looking for multiple scum in itself is scummy.
3) Half the thread was nervous about how little resistance the lynch was getting at that point.
4) I said the only person who I did not feel comfortable with on the wagon was DF, and I listed the reasoning why I did not have a town read on DF. He explained himself and we had a sort of argument and I ended up townreading him.
And really there were three options for the lynch, I hard townread Rayn all of yesterday. I wasn't going to vote for myself unless rayn woudl apologize to me for the way he treated me yesterday which was still utter shit btw rayn and I really should get an apology for being ignored and treated like a complete idiot when we agreed on so much shit in the thread (besides scum read on me).
That leaves me in a world where the most likely solution was to lynch a scum read in Mal. And I did just that, he turned out to be town that didn't care.
Hm. Thing is you had a lot of posts on eden. so it kinda felt off for you to prefer mal. but you are right. same could be said about multiple ppl, And you where around to question ppl.
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
okay heading home. am stuck in the middle of sola's filter. with post when I got something conclusive. @sola: dont post anything interesting before im done with your filter. k thx bye.
On March 21 2017 03:01 Calix wrote: Yo scumformation, how's that lock scum Calix and Koshi possibly scum thing going?
As for the other two chumps, I know that I'm notoriously off with my reads as town but that doesn't mean I'm always wrong
eh. without having reread your filter, but taking omgus classes off: you are probably way less scummy than I thought, but you are probably not the town saint some ppl make you out to be. and to be fair: my n1 was probably super bleh.
you are probably tinfoil land. guess there are a lot of ppl that should get lynched before you, but should be alive like d5/d6/lylo I would ask for ppl to look at you again. turns out its quite hard for scum to shoot themselves.
koshi? lost to a universally town read koshi before, so I really want to read his filter before coming to another conclusion.
On March 18 2017 03:38 Xatalos wrote: foley's thing on Malongo was actually much better than rayn's...
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
On March 19 2017 03:56 Xatalos wrote: Seriously. I remember someone had a half-decent case on Malongo, other than rayn. It didn't truly convince me, but it was better than nothing. rayn's cases on Damdred/Malongo leaned more towards "nothing" for me..
On March 17 2017 08:41 Calix wrote: FWIW I feel like this entire discussion is pure so I cannot be arsed to contribute much until something new happens.
It's not really based on filter-diving or whatever. I just feel like everyone who is talking right now is posting without an agenda and is just saying what they have so far and is being reasonable and helping the town.
So imo we shouldn't lynch among Xat/ DD/ Koshi/ Blue today.
Does this sound really premature? Maybe but that's my impressions of the 'atmosphere' of the game so far so I'm pretty confident here. Don't feel like the chat is very mafia-influenced right now.
If this doesn't make sense then ask away. I feel like a hippie right now xD
No, that's mostly what I felt as well. Only disformation felt a bit out of place so far. Dunno about rayn yet since he only trolled for now.
Damdred is my eternal suspect, but at least I don't see any good reason for lynching him at this point. I'll let you know when I have one
seems pretty content sitting on me and not doing much else scumhunting/let other ppl do the work. mighty nitpicking ranger offline.
But after that it gets much better with him pinging tw and rayn. so that point is kinda moot.
then leading up to the lynch i had to read this filter really carefully to get whats going on. was a bit confusing. then i find this thing:
On March 21 2017 03:33 disformation wrote: yo amnesiac is such a good name for you:
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
On March 19 2017 03:56 Xatalos wrote: Seriously. I remember someone had a half-decent case on Malongo, other than rayn. It didn't truly convince me, but it was better than nothing. rayn's cases on Damdred/Malongo leaned more towards "nothing" for me..
So. I guess unless someone can prove that amnesia is AI, I dont think we have a problem here.
Thing to note: he is fairly focused on a subset of ppl. TW/Rayn for example. I dont really get the feeling it is a scum tunnel though. Also note that he is one of the few ppl to actually suggest switches to his scumreads (tw/rayn).
On March 19 2017 06:31 Xatalos wrote: I'm always open to a Tumble switch or something.
On March 19 2017 06:41 Xatalos wrote: YOLO lynch rayn?
Yeah these are not hard pushes, but its more than the rest of the ppl doubting the wagon did. Ends up on mal after all, explained by:
On March 19 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote: You always got for your scum read no matter how useful they are as town.
Who disagrees with this statement?
I guess it depends on the strength of your reads though.
Like if we look at statistics, I think Malongo had coin-flippy odds of being scum. Both Tumble and rayn a bit higher than that. But both Tumble and rayn could potentially be blues (unlike Malongo), and they were doing more in the thread than Malongo, so I could tolerate Malongo especially over Damdred, who I think had less than coin-flip chances of being scum and was also doing some things / could be blue.
Continues with a huge focus on rayn.
early eden mentions:
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs.
I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful.
On March 19 2017 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.
What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?
Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.
He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.
So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.
Like if Eden says this he literally must think my case is crap because my case on Malongo is based on something he found slightly townie.
He doesn't think Damdred (who i am voting for) is mafia.
Xatalos (who was and is my third scumread) is his top townread.
Why am i town in Eden's eys? That's basically everything i have done in this game, called these three people out.
I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players.
I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town.
As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.
I can kind of agree with how you're metaing rayn - but are you sure about the conclusion that he's giving his reads the "appropriate amount of force"? To me it's felt like he's pushed them with a little too much confidence compared to their strengths.
I didn't explain this well. When I say "force" I'm not referring to confidence - ray always has this in spades. What I mean is that he tends as mafia to treat people like total morons if they dissent from him, whereas you can see here that he's not being degrading or demeaning toward people who disagree
Hmmm.... Maybe you have a point. He's actually trying to explain things. As scum he's tended to just ignore / push me if I've opposed him, kind of trying to bury me / others under his posts.
On March 19 2017 19:41 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.... rayn/Tumble/eden scumteam for cred?
Would be nice if it was that easy.
Onegu and Rels did pretty much nothing to help with the D1 lynch so gotta keep an eye on them as well.
so two other things of notice: 1) overly focused on rayn not necessarily a scum tell and i feel the read is somewhat more natural/evolving/changing than a scum tunnel would be. 2) if eden flips scum (probable): eden might have spewed xata town: (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
so outside the huge focus on rayn I dont see much problem here. and even that feels more like a town tunnel. possibly spewed by eden. good chance at being town.
somewhat tempted to go back and look at the arguments against him, cause back when i read them i didnt feel like they that bad... *shrugs*