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On January 28 2017 02:25 RtaniSoul wrote: Well, as I see no particular reason to change it, I'll go with this. I'll be around tonight though as I'm stuck in with a swollen knee, so feel free to still discuss/suggest/what have you. ##nominate: RtaniSoul, Silverika, Superbia Good choice, i will vote for this team! | ||
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On January 28 2017 03:27 Silverika wrote: why? what about it makes you town read the entire group? Why not? 6 of us are good and its very unlikely that a spy is in the initial team. You also gave good valid reasons for choosing the team. | ||
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On January 29 2017 01:09 Tumblewood wrote: do you even know what is going on this game? could you explain why you like this team beyond the cursory? well in real life resistance I see who voted what | ||
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So why did so many people vote against the team? Especially artanis as he was the one who chose the team in the first place? o.o | ||
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On January 29 2017 07:17 RtaniSoul wrote: Also, just curious, why did you refer to me as Artanis? someone called you that before so I thought that is your name? On January 29 2017 07:21 Grackaroni wrote: Sharkie are you going to vote up the next mission? Or did you just like the Artisoul/Ikawolf/Superbia team? what do you mean with vote up? I liked the team so thats why I approved it, I am not the next person to nominate a team! | ||
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 Pretty please! | ||
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On January 29 2017 08:16 Superbia wrote: I also heavily recommend voting against whatever TW comes up with. But let's see what he brings to the table. Maybe TW will vote the same team again | ||
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On January 29 2017 08:47 Silverika wrote: So I strongly advocate TW puts that whole first team on with him and if he doesn't he gives a DAMN GOOD reason not to. ~SilverWolf77 TW cant nominate 4 people | ||
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On January 30 2017 02:20 Tumblewood wrote: for once in your life could you explain why you don't like the team I don't like your attitude. | ||
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On January 30 2017 03:55 RtaniSoul wrote: i'd also like why you don't like that group, sharkie, if it's not too much to ask Sure since you ask nicely. Well - it's not the team I want (the team you nominated I felt really good about getting information I need) - all of them voted against the first team (is only a remark, not a reason against the team) - I don't trust Tumblewood, he is way too pushy and hostile to people who don't agree with him. and my biggest reason is I don't know what to think about all three of them so if the mission fails I am as smart as I am now. | ||
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I kept wondering why you guys call me names (scum) but in fact you only meant to label me a spy. | ||
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Most of your "reads" can be used for either side. Also apart from Silverika (who actually voted for the team unlike the spies who did not want the team), no one has done anything to call himself rebel either. | ||
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Want to explain your team selection, emperor? You are labeled a spy by everyone after all. | ||
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Everyone thinks you are a spy | ||
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On February 01 2017 01:51 sicklucker wrote: does no one wanna send me .....? Welcome to the club... I will reject any team with tumble or super on it. Their back and forth annoys me to no end, plus they also both suspect me a spy because I apparently was in favour of a "all town" team and wanted to get credit for it...? Getting credit for a vote for teams is ridicilous in the first place and if it was all town why did you reject it then? o.O I trust silver the most (because as I mentioned they voted for a team all spies were against for). Anyone else I am neutral towards. | ||
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On February 01 2017 07:02 RtaniSoul wrote: -pokes- where you at in all this debate sharkie? Ignored and accused. But as I read this game correctly you don't even need me to win this game, right? Only 5/6 are necessary to win as rebels | ||
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On February 01 2017 07:27 Grackaroni wrote: We just can't understand you. As far as I can tell you think that Tumble is too pushy. You like Silverwolf because she voted for the first team. And you really liked the first team. But we have no idea why you like that team so much aside from "there's 6 rebels and only 3 spies", which is true for any team. I just felt good about the people at that time. It's the first team with no information, that's all about your feeling only. Obviously, that has changed now. I don't want Super in a team anymore. On February 01 2017 07:28 RtaniSoul wrote: technically but what i meant is what do you think about who is resistance and who is a spy? - Silver is resistance, would need some major changes to change my opinion about that. You I feel good towards too. - E/C is a spy for me because he offered us way too many possibilities for a team. That's a big "Hey, I let you guys decide what you want. Just like me please!" - sicklucker had my benefit of doubt till his weird drunk posts... You guys kept accusing people spies because they don't try hard enough - his behaviour reflects that a lot. - Tumble/Super - one of them is my third possible spy. I just don't know which one of them. Maybe there is a scenario where both of them are spies and they go the route of playing totally against each other I don't know (what I don't believe as that would also make sicklucker resistance). The rest are resistance by process of elimination. | ||
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- On February 01 2017 13:23 Vivax wrote: Morning gents. Today I want to see superbia and TW fighting as they both distrust each other yet as spies they should want the team to pass. Looking forward to their reasoning for the respective vote. I really want to highlight this post. This was the first time we had our two resident debaters on the same team and just like vivax I was looking forward to their posts to this team nomination. However, neither posted anything about this team and chose the safe way out (rejecting the team). Now I am sure both people will come up with some excuse why yesterday was the day they could not post a lot. But this is way too much coincidence for me as if either had been town they would have surely spoken up and gave us their thoughts about being on the same team. So for me the suspicion of both rose up quite a lot after yesterday. - My next point or question is "wtf silver?" Why did you approve of this team nomination of EC? I thought we were in agreement that EC is very suspicious of being a spy so why do you approve his mission? No way you can believe that a spy will not try to smuggle at least one spy in this team especially the way he acted. Yes, he gave us several suggestions based on our feedback but in the end he chose out of the several possibilities. You were 100% for me but this vote put a dent (small but still) in your reputation imo. - I really liked SL's posts the other day. I think he realised that he posted some stupid things and did try to make up for it (and successfully in my point of view). I hope that resurgence of his posts is not a one time thing and he will now assist us more in team selections! | ||
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On February 02 2017 22:52 Silverika wrote: Great, every post we make, someone is gonna come in and say we are going down a peg. If you can't see how everyone townread us and suddely most everyone has a problem is a cause for concern, I don't know what to tell you. It's in scum's best interest to not let anyone get too townread as they can't lynch. Similar to a nightless so discrediting is the next step. On your WTF point, please read our posts as we explained this in depth yesterday during our arguments with Ritani Soul and sicklucker. Ritani Soul actually came out of that looking a lot better that sicklucker BTW who continues to mud sling at us and nothing else this game. We were on the team and EC was not. We were reasonably o.k. with the other two so we said o.k. so we can get a mission passed and get some info. It's not necessarily true that spies will fail the first mission. It highlights them a little too much. Putting a town team in there that would make them look good is exactly what happened last game of this that I played. But regardless, keeping the gamestate stagnated is not helpful to anyone but scum. It creates apathy and that is not good. ~SilverWolf77 It's just that I am a player who values a lot in votes most of the time. One of the top reasons you are my top guy for resistance (because of the voting of the first mission but that's just me). Also I think one of you two (sorry I am still not used to two people using the same account) is a little too impatient. I can understand that you get upset by all these rejections but by getting upset by it you just fall into the spies hands. Also imo you take it a little too personally when someone accuses you of weird actions/being a spy. I think that's perfectly normal in a game such as resistance that every person's actions are questioned. If I had a beef with every person who accused me of being a spy I couldn't talk to anyone in here... Most people (including me) value your input a lot and consider you top resistance guy. TLDR: All I am asking you is not to get upset by so many things please. | ||
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On February 03 2017 07:11 Tumblewood wrote: hey vivax, I want to apologize. in a bad mood today and I overreacted sharkie, how many games have you played on this site? This is my first time playing resistance online | ||
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On February 03 2017 17:47 Silverika wrote: I am uneasy about how sharkie started out acting as though he barely even knew what scum meant and basically making a lot of comments like he didn't know what he was doing. Later his post suddenly get a lot better with more analysis. Plus we didn't care for chairman ray either. It's kind of an uneasy feeling based on inconsistent play. I'm gonna talk to ika about Tumblewood cuz he said he wasn't sure he trusted them and let him comment on that. I know I had some issues earlier but they've fallen off the radar lately. ~SilverWolf77 I still only know half of the words you use to describe things. I've played "The resistance" the board game and there no things such as scum or townread appear... | ||
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On February 03 2017 23:04 Silverika wrote: Have you ever played mafia before? I'm trying to decide if you are just new to the game or being clever trying to make us think you are because your later posting looks more experienced. Even your post giving advice to us looks like a seasoned player. On other sites, I've seen scum do this if the player base doesn't know them because people write it off as new Town so that's why I'm paranoid. ~SilverWolf77 No, I have never played Mafia. Well like I said I have played resistance before. When I get more information I can say more. But for the very first nomination you can't say anything and so I went with gut feeling and I still feel very good about 2/3 of that team. Most of the others probably regret a lot that they rejected RT's team anyway.. But since I have played resistance before I still don't see how spies or resistance can ever claim credit for voting of a successful team (which a few of you claimed I was doing). I am still waiting for that answer: how can a person ever claim credit for voting a successful team? | ||
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On February 04 2017 01:18 Tumblewood wrote: this explains a whole lot.... maybe sharkie is just newbie town who mysteriously has 13k posts I am a huge LR/football thread spammer | ||
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Superbia Grackaroni sicklucker - Why did two of you approve the team then? :o I approved the team since silver is my top resistance guy and Grack is voted by everyone else at least top2 resistance guy (I am still neutral to him though, obv. more favoured towards resistance)). Thus, if this team fails I am most definitely going to be the prime suspect. But even if the team does not fail I will still lose since some of you think there have been not enough rejections. That at least would be my thought of process going into voting for this team. Super earlier said this is going to be a win/win situation for him because of the video. I think this is a win/win situation for the spies too as they definitely managed to discredit at least my position. - Also how did we come from a Super/TW super activity to barely seeing them anymore? I know less and less what to think anymore. - sicklucker: approving/rejecting keeping secret only works in real life scenarios imo. There is so much meaning lost when you type something instead of seeing your other players face to face. So I don't think you can avoid keeping it open that at all imo. In this setting the more you post the more information you give other players so that's why people who don't post a lot seem very suspect. P.S. Vivax I hate you for not choosing yourself over me.  | ||
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On February 04 2017 18:21 Vivax wrote: The reason we believe the mission will fail are the approval votes. But ofc it might be too early to call it and it will actually pass. However You are also sure the mission will fail by saying this and you don't really think about who you're gonna blame for it in your post. ???? No I don't think the mission will fail at all. Why should I think that? It has my best members on it.. If you had chosen yourself over me I would not be in that team! :p | ||
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On February 04 2017 18:29 Vivax wrote: But how can you think you will be discredited if you think the mission will pass? Because I am the least resistance guy out of us three. | ||
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I mean in you guys views. But if I had to guess percentages I'd say silver 50% Grack 40% me 10% From my perspective I am obviously 100% resistance haha (no duh). | ||
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On the selection of the 4th team member for the next team I'd rather want RTani on the team than Vivax. I trust him more and imo he has also done more for the play so he feels more resistance for me. Vivax is still a little weird for me as he has been accepted resistance too easily by too many people (so including spies) and I did not like that he did not send himself to the mission as I am a player who always sends himself to a mission - anyone who doesn't is kinda shady in my eyes. Also EC/Super are confirmed spies for me now as they did not like the passed mission. | ||
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On February 05 2017 21:35 emperorchampion wrote: 1. This + vivacious logic is pretty solid I think on grack/silver so bump up to grack there 2. You were on vivax team, why would you approve if you feel weird about him not including himself? That's easy. It had three resistance guys on it and none of my suspects for spies. On February 05 2017 21:27 Vivax wrote: In other words, we can afford to use the next mission to put someone in who needs to be cleared of being spy as not sabotaging it only gives them one more attempt and we can expect that no spy in their right mind will let this pass. On the other hand if sharkie was spy and didn't sabotage #1 they will attempt to frame the newcomer in#2 of being spy if it gets sabotaged. But it might turn up to be a bad plan so I'm leaving it up to you. I'm fine with both options. Oh so it has turned out to be that if we get a fail and the team is silver/grack/sharkie/vivax -> sharkie is the spy and if the team is silver/grack/vivax/RT -> RT is the spy? You make it very easy for you heh. Really starting to think SL is a good guy accused wrongly. | ||
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On February 06 2017 01:56 Silverika wrote: I get the point sharkie is making that vivax is setting up a scenario where he can frame Rtani Soul and fail the mission but my counter to that is, he could just leave it as is, and fail it and blame sharkie. So I don't think it's that cut and dry and Vivax is suddenly pulling out all the stops as a spy. I think Rtani Soul not liking the Vivax, Grack, us, them is a little more suspect because they'd have a hard time failing it if they are a spy, with this team because they wouldn't have sharkie to blame and they'd have a tough time blaming anyone else if it failed. ~SilverWolf77 You can't really use that as counter as Vivax would be in the team if his suggestion is followed or not... He has nothing to lose there. All he does is causing confusion and setting up more unknown variables we really don't need. I'd just feel way safer if RT was in the team than vivax. I don't share the same feeling as you and RT do about him. But on the other hand I don't think Grack is worthy of suspicion (RT's thoughts) just because vivax is covering him. On February 06 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: why do you think town would definitely accept the mission? Because 2/3 are big resistance possibilities? Did Super ever explain why he voted nay on this mission? | ||
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I hope there are some discussions and not just namecalling and gifs.. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote: my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail. Silverika is too indignant to be scum. Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective. Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!" ##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver. Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team. I know that is not your main message but could we all please stop accusing other people of spies JUST BECAUSE THEY ACCUSE YOU? Also just because someone calls you resistance DOES NOT MEAN that they are not spies... Sheesh. | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:33 Grackaroni wrote: If I think the mission is going to fail it makes sense for me to look at the people who don't seen to be putting very much thought into upvoting the mission but are poised to put the blame for the failure on me afterwards. And a good spy would try to come on your good side wouldn't he? Generally speaking I have always been suspect of players agreeing with each other too much. Resistance don't know anything. There should never be a circumstance where two players should be acting like best buddies (unless they know each other as spies). | ||
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On February 07 2017 03:41 Superbia wrote: Wow what an asshole. You keep calling people names and are surprised why people don't want to consider you resistance? -.- | ||
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Why do some of you give vivax bonus points for not choosing himself when it was his turn to nominate? When someone chooses a full resistance setup in the very first mission without choosing himself (a noble thing - this I agree with but also suspicious) wouldn't he automatically qualify himself as the guy who is going to join the mission in the second mission? Things like these confuse me why vivax has jumped so far up in some people's eyes... Super earlier asked me why I can be so straightforward when playing resistance before. But that (vivax scenario) line of thinking is way too straightforward too in my opinion... | ||
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1) So you guys spent days and hours downvoting the first mission teams in order to get information for a usually not vital mission. But the first opportunity to get real information about who the spies are (if all resistance players had downvoted this mission we could have seen whether the spies voted FOR this mission as they desperately need this mission to fail to have any chance at this game) -> I thought this was the reason some of you even suggested the hidden voting in the first place (I am looking at you, silver and SL...)? I really have no clue how you guys play resistance... 2) Also why did TW and SL approve this mission? RT is kinda obvious as the team was his top4 resistance guys. But TW, SL keep saying how there is a spy in this team and yet they keep voting yay for these teams? 3) Is motivation so low that you just want to end this game as fast as possible? If so, why for god's sake did you then keep downvoting the first mission? Couldn't we have just passed the very first team (as silver and I had suggested), look at how it turns out and THEN play the fun downvoting game for the second mission which is far more important in the game than the first? I really thought most of you have participated in this game in order to have a fun game but I keep reading things like "I hope the game is over soon." or "I don't want to play this game anymore). Well the fastest way to end this game is just to put up our most potential suspects into the team and then the game is over. I am so fed up with your attitudes. If you don't like playing the game, then just keep voting yay, don't comment at all and we will soon have a conclusion. And please stop mentioning you want this game to end, I really mean it. I am fed up reading the same negativity over and over.... 4) On February 07 2017 10:44 Silverika wrote: I do want to know a good reason why sharkie said no here. He seems to be scumreading Vivax but his reason that Vivax kept himself off the team isn't scummy and was explained to him why it's not scum by at least a couple people. Not only that, but if he believes Vivax is scum and us and Grack are town, this would of been a good opportunity for him to find out for sure in his POV. I never said that vivax is not resistance nor that his actions mean that he is a spy. All I said was that your conclusions are not 100% sound. Any good spy could do the same thing vivax did so why is he automatically resistance? He is neutral leaning towards good for me, has been all game for me. | ||
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On February 07 2017 17:01 Superbia wrote: You guys do understand that we would have an endgame post if this team was all town, right? You make no sense? This is the second mission,not the third. | ||
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On February 07 2017 17:54 Vivax wrote: This seems like a good day been reading a bunch of stuff that stirred me up but I'll start adressing all of it when I see the mission outcome and it's a failure. If it fails tho rtanisoul + sharkie is a given. I don't see how anyone would not think that sharkie was spy if mission 1 failed, so all the explanations for swika being town besides that one are superflous and the fact they refuse to townread Grack also speaks volumes as he is their only out from scumreading sharkie. Have you even read my posts at all? I put Grack onto my 100% resistance list. Do you refuse to read my posts or you do keep leaving out things intentionally? Also why wait for the mission outcome? Just address them now. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:01 Vivax wrote: That's not a good point two spies on a mission is a good strat as people tend to assume only one person is to blame, for simplicity's sake. Accusing two people on the same team at the same time is hard to do. This is one of the things that bothered me, and also why it bothered me that rtanisoul wanted to sub in for me as opposed to my suggestion that they sub in for sharkie. On February 07 2017 18:11 Vivax wrote: How does that make any sense? If you knew you were resistance and had doubts on sharkie like I do, being in a rtanisoul, vivax, swika, grack team would guarantee a win, in your book. Instead you counter proposed that we put you in alongside sharkie. And why don't you want to acknowledge that Grack isn't spy as he could easily have failed the first mission with sharkie being the obvious blame dumpster. So spies are smart enough to put two of them into the team but not smart enough to delay failing a mission in order to put even more blame on me? Like you said if the first mission passes and the second mission fails the only LOGICAL spy would be me. But gods forsake that spies could use that exact same train of thought you had as their strategy? Are the spies dumb or smart? You need to stick to one scenario... I don't see how one thing can be a "good strategy for spies" but the other is "no way spies would not fail the first mission)... You really really make it very easy for you, don't you? Also you seem to be very sure that this mission is going to fail and that I am the spy with RT. So why did you approve the team in the first place? Just send yourself and TW and go for an easy win? | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:22 Vivax wrote: Sharkies last vote is a wifom vote btw (ie he wants to gain cred from it if the mission fails). If it passes, disregard. You make me fume?! I explained earlier why I voted no in this mission! Has nothing to do with anything except gathering information... | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:25 Superbia wrote: Sharkie can you respond to these two points I made? Is "ec and sup are 100% mafia because they voted against the team that passed!" truly what you believed? Yes at that point in time I truly believed that. I still think that one of you is a spy 100%. But that both of you are a spy is very unlikely now. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:24 Vivax wrote: If you are resistance and think that Grack and Swika are resistance, why did I nominate an all resistance team in the first place? And why should I bother subbing rtanisoul in instead of you when as spy I would suffice? I explained my train of thought yesterday. When you nominate a full resistance team and it passes who do you think the team plus other resistance players will turn to when the next mission requires one further person? Duh, obviously the guy who nominated the good team. Again, I am not saying you are a spy. All I am saying is that you cannot make the spies smart in one post and then dumb the other post again.... To the second question, to increase your credibility? I don't know. Imo your sub doesn't make sense as resistance either if you believe RT/me are a spy team | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:30 Superbia wrote: Okay. I think 100% is unlikely btw. Who do you think is the mafia in the team? Right now? Vivax. He keeps making me repeat points I clearly mentioned before... But ask me again in a few hours when I calmed down. -.- | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:39 Vivax wrote: All RtaniSoul are doing is spreading doubts all over the team and basically the entire game when it's blatantly obvious that sharkie was the most risky in it from the get go, a free invitation to Grack and Swika to make the first team fail and exclude him for the rest of the game. But shouldn't I have known that letting the first mission pass will only INCREASE the suspicion of me when a team with me is going to fail afterwards? Since as you said if grack/silver had been spies they would have just failed to put the whole blame on me. Passing the first mission puts Grack/Silver higher on everyone's list but my status stays the same. I really don't get how you are thinking. | ||
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On February 07 2017 18:46 Superbia wrote: Silver is only ever mafia if EC is mafia. On a separate note, I don't think Silver is mafia. What would be the team you would have sent out for this mission? Super/Silver/x/y Who are x and y? | ||
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On February 07 2017 19:22 Vivax wrote: You won't get anywhere just with vote analysis. It's too easy to tamper with. According to vote analysis one would conclude rtanisoul is town just cause they nay-voted a team with themselves on it. I don't think you know how vote analysis works... In what world would nay-voting your own team be automatically considered resistance? In the same world yay voting a good team allows you to get credit or what? | ||
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On February 07 2017 22:14 Vivax wrote: Thanks for unintentionally endorsing the point I was making. You are saying "you won't get anywhere" with vote analysis. Which is simply not true. You can't just take one example as your counter against it. Vote analysis requires you to look at every person and circumstance separately and then come to a conclusion with it. At the moment no one can say anything for sure with votes alone. Which is why I actually hoped we would play the same voting game as in the first mission. But somehow everyone just accepted this mission even though everyone is acting already as if the mission has failed. -If you act this way then why did you accept the team in the first place?!- On February 07 2017 15:31 sharkie wrote: I don't even.... 1) So you guys spent days and hours downvoting the first mission teams in order to get information for a usually not vital mission. But the first opportunity to get real information about who the spies are (if all resistance players had downvoted this mission we could have seen whether the spies voted FOR this mission as they desperately need this mission to fail to have any chance at this game) -> I thought this was the reason some of you even suggested the hidden voting in the first place (I am looking at you, silver and SL...)? I really have no clue how you guys play resistance... | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:15 Silverika wrote: Sharkie, explain again why you said no, in clear terms I can understand. If you liked the first mission and are neutral on Vivax, you could of used this to get info on Vivax. I have to assume Vivax is the reason, because he's the only thing that changed from the original team with you and two people you are townreading strongly. I don't understand any plan than involves downvoting missions to play around with the votes and dragging the game out unecessarily. Everyone seems to think this is gonna be a failure. I agree all the yes votes look bad, but it still could pass. Why assume the worst? As far as the negativity lecture, save it sharkie, because it's almost as annoying as the negativity itself. Mafia isn't rainbows and unicorns. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be. ~SilverWolf77 As I said it was to get information. We have already dragged out the game unnecessarily when we did the whole voting game for the very first mission (where we all agree upon that spies don't find it so important anyway) so I assumed we would play the same game for the second mission before we select the mission for good. What else was the reason for forcing us to vote in secret now? Also why should I sacrifice a whole mission to get information about one player? I'd rather end the game without getting any failures. That is why I wanted RT instead of vivax. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:37 Silverika wrote: Please don't answer a question intended for someone else. He would get far more information by saying yes because he's townreading everyone but Vivax. Instead he says no with some convoluted reasoning that he expected Town to all vote no to catch scum which drags the game out, and absolves him of all responsibility if it fails. I don't care how indignant he is about the negativity, he needs to explain his thought process here because it doesn't make sense. ~SilverWolf77 The whole voting game for the first mission >did not make sense< and now you accuse me of making no sense for assuming we do the same thing for a much more important mission?! And why should voting nay absolve me of all responsibility? Could players stop making assumptions of how I am going to react about things? This started on the first nomination of the game and did not end till now... | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:42 Silverika wrote: Basically, if the mission fails, sharkie just outed himself because he bypassed an opportunity to get information on someone he was null reading in order to solve the game for himself if he was town. Instead he voted no and then goes "well, town should vote no to catch scum who vote yes" but that's very unlikely to work cuz we can't mind read each other and it also drags out the game for no good reason. This does not give him nearly the information he would of gotten by voting yes. In no world, does it makes sense for him to do this as town. ~SilverWolf77 They did it for the first nomination ffs. | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote: in short (ika here): sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win) so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it Not wanting to gift the spies a mission = reason for being a spy. Good analysis! | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:49 Silverika wrote: Oh look, here comes that negativity you didn't like or want to read. tsk tsk sharkie ~SilverWolf77 Did you actually read what I said? I said I did not like negativity towards the game. Also this is not negativity, this is feeling stressed because people assume things of you just because it fits their view? | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:51 Silverika wrote: Your continued defense of Sharkie and his boner for you also is duly noted. ~SilverWolf77 You do know that only the worst spies would ever defend other spies? | ||
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On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote: you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle What do you mean grack "has a record of it"? | ||
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Please tell me you have more things to back you up except past games... Because that is the worst proof you can have for social deduction games... Also what is wifom? | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:00 Silverika wrote: then why are you not trying to persuade grack that he is wrong as well? can you explain why scum!vivax who was widly town read at the time of his nomination removed himself? i feel like you missing the objective things that he has done that if he is spy he is argubly playing in a suboptimal manner So vivax playing in a suboptimal manner is ridiculous but rt and me playing in a suboptimal manner is logical? Vivax and you have that in common. You assume the best of spies when it suits you but other times spies are the dumbest players ever... | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:07 Vivax wrote: I like my reads clear cut as the game progresses, and not sit back at square one when a mission passes/fails and that's what happens when you follow the scenarios rtaniSoul are suggesting. And we don't want to be at square one and have no clue who's spy/res. I knew I would scumread sharkie if the mission failed, a Grack/Swika spy would probably have known that and failed it, and I will scumread sharkie if this one fails. Just for the record you would have accused me if the three mab team had failed too. So your point is worth nothing. | ||
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Your point being? I have said that I had played resistance before.. O.O | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote: If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77 Passing the first mission does not make sense for sharkie as a spy either, using that same logic of yours... | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:31 sharkie wrote: Passing the first mission does not make sense for sharkie as a spy either, using that same logic of yours... I am still waiting on a counter for this one, silver... You keep saying vivax is resistance because if he were a spy he would be playing sub-optimally. But in the same breath you accuse me of being a spy but not considering that if I were one I acted sub-optimally on the first mission by not failing it. Note please that I am not using this argument to defend myself. It would be very hypocritical of me to do that. All I am saying is that you can't apply your logic on one case but refuse to do it on the other one. That is a very inconsistent line of thinking... | ||
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On February 08 2017 00:29 emperorchampion wrote: @ sharkie: who is scum for you right now? At the moment? You or TL/vivax/SL You got better in my standing but I still cannot shake that uneasy feeling from your team nomination... Also Super, welcome back to the game I guess? | ||
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On February 08 2017 02:52 Tumblewood wrote: sl is 90% scum for me at this point. his filter is mostly him defending himself, "gathering reactions" + Show Spoiler + and not doing anything with them You aren't much better if at all... I know it's many pages ago but please explain your decision of yaying this team | ||
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On February 08 2017 03:02 Silverika wrote: I feel like you are misreading silvers post in question here. You can't really ask this line of question either without a indirect or direct use of it becoming a defense of yourself. She not once has said that vivax as spy is playing suboptimal. Now I might be misreading the context in witch case you can clarify to me because she is busy right now. If you want my personal take, vivax!spy not sending himself on first mission while having a mass of town cred is suboptimal. You not failing the first mission has a two way street cus of resistance theory, many argue to sabbo/not sabbo first mission as spy for diffrent reasons. It's more of a belief system of what you think is right at that point. If your point still stands I'll let her respond on the issue but I feel like you are trying to aregue a smatical thing instead of the direct point. Because both things being applied are diffrent in nature A different example then to make it clearer for you. You say Grack cannot be spy because if they had been they would have abused the fact that I was on the team and just failed the mission to put the blame on me. Thus, a passed mission #1 = grack resistance for you. Because them planning to fail mission #1 would be sub-optimal for you. But then don't you think that sharkie, the spy would have come to the same conclusion and rather risked failing mission #1 instead of giving grack/silver more credibility, just to fail mission #2? That should be sub-optimal play for you too. What I am trying to say is whoever you accuse of being a spy between us 2 (sharkie, grack) must have done sub-optimal play for you so you cannot use that argument to defend or accuse either one of us. Again: I am neither accusing grack of being a spy (as RT said if he had been a spy he would have jumped on the sharkie/RT hate bandwagon) nor am I using this to defend myself! I just want to realise that this line of thinking is flawed. | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:11 Vivax wrote: Game would be much easier for me if Grack didnt do that super odd 180° with his read on me, topping it off with him using the same argument to reach a different conclusion. Now I have to nay vote anything with sharkie + Grack on it. First it was RT+sharkie, now it is Grack+sharkie? You keep pulling out these combos out of nowhere even though they make completely no sense? Next if silver were to defend me and accuse you, would you create a silver+sharkie combo? On February 08 2017 16:15 sicklucker wrote: how is grack ever mafia man. he was the top town read in the first mission why not sabotage it? Because he is running out of people he can put blame on. Have you even read what he has said yesterday? Also I already discussed this scenario yesterday several times. This line of thinking is not sound. You cannot assume spies play the way you want. Grack is resistance for me for all his posts and how he is playing this game not because the first mission passed. | ||
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Now before we even knew if the mission was going to fail we had our two prominent nayvoters EC and super appear back into the game and post as if it were day one. For me that is way too big a coincidence to happen for both players. Sure I know I am the prime suspect of a spy for pretty much everyone in this game but neither of them posted that much after the first mission was approved and sent out (with me in the team). They only started talking so much when the 4man team was approved. Now of course they will cry vote analysis for this reason but my counter to that is they nayvoted the previous 3 man team too and yet they did not bother to cause such an uproar at that time. So EC, super: tell us why the 4 man team bothered you so much but the 3 man team you let pass quite easily without much rejections? Also I think SL and TW are still owing us explanations for yayvoting the 4man team although the team had people they accuse of being a spy. | ||
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On February 08 2017 16:42 Vivax wrote: Do you know the difference between OR and AND? I have my doubts. Are you using '+' as OR? If so, apologies then... I use '+' as AND... | ||
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On February 08 2017 17:38 sicklucker wrote: I had just voted the same team minus artanis and it passed... On February 08 2017 17:40 sicklucker wrote: most importantly why did you not have the same obvious conclusion as me sharkie since you voted the same team minus artanis. who would you have had over artanis? was artanis really that big of a difference that you voted no on a team you just voted yes? Vivax was on the team, not artanis... Also I explained my vote yesterday. Sicklucker if you don't even know who was on the previous team no one will even consider voting yay for your team... You are so out of the game it's not even funny anymore.. | ||
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Suddenly Grack is everyone's favourite guy to hit upon? How can anyone turn from most trusted guy (wanted on the team by literally everyone) to the dumping ground of mistrust. And the most surprising thing out of all is how vivax and RT totally forgot their vendetta with each other and suddenly are best buddies (not saying that both of them are spies). I don't think I have ever seen anyone jump up so high in trust as vivax did while being in a failed mission. Everyone can imagine Grack being the mastermind from the shadows, manipulating everyone from day one. Yesterday most didn't even bother listening to what I was saying how good spies don't play it the conventional way and you believed that I have to be obvious spy 100% (with the exception of RT). If you can consider Grack being a spy then surely silver can be a spy too (not saying that they are but has to be kept in mind). Way too many people are ganging up on Grack (math wise). Also I even read how SL could be a possible resistance player, now that is one thing I cannot imagine at all. That guy doesn't care one bit about what is happening in the game. He doesn't even know who was sent out for the second mission.. Now I expect I get shit for defending Grack just like RT did yesterday for defending me... | ||
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On February 07 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of Grackaroni, sharkie, Silverika, Vivax has been approved. Votes for: Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Tumblewood, Vivax. Votes against: emperorchampion, sharkie, Superbia. The team will now embark on the mission. If there are any spies on the mission team, they may sabotage the mission by PM to all hosts with ##sabotage. Deadline/Mission results on Tuesday, Feb 07 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Dude, pay attention to the game!!! | ||
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I disliked his stance of trying to create a rt/sharkie combo and then his sudden switch from grack being his best townbuddy to suddenly rt being his best townbuddy or is that normal play here on this forum when you get accused of being a spy that you turn 180 degrees on him? If that were the case, do people expect me to accuse silver, vivax, grack, sl, tw, super,ec spies since they at one point in the game tried to frame me for being spy? | ||
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On February 09 2017 06:40 sicklucker wrote: sharkie and ec* like the rest i kind of expect to vote how they did as either alignment So in what world are ec's votes weird but Super's are expected (*hint* they completely voted the same way the last two missions). I don't care whether someone thinks sicklucker is a resistance member by process of elimination or by his non-caring attitude of the game. For me both him and TW have shown us several times that they neither read our posts nor even pay attention to who was sent to which mission. Even if one or both of them are resistance players and we lose because I refused to put them on a mission I don't care. At this point I'd rather have vivax (who is a spy in my eyes) in my team than one of those two. Also, I am saying if resistance is going to lose the game I will blame SL and TW on the loss. I have never seen someone care so little about a resistance game that they actively refuse to participate in our discussions or even PAY ATTENTION to what is happening in the game. Stop pouting and do something ffs. Also, I don't know how your gaming groups work but each time I play resistance with my friends they completely mix up their playstyle from game to game. I could never say "x is not a spy because that is not how he plays as spy/resistance". Citing old games is like giving your opposing players a fake alibi imo. "Here, look: that is how I usually play resistance -> I could never be a spy". | ||
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On February 09 2017 16:10 Silverika wrote: Sharkie-we gave those scum games cuz grackeroni asked. That is true. I cannot give you negative points for something Grack had asked you to link. I am just a player who goes into The resistance with a clean plate all the time. I look how players play THIS game and don't think of old games at all. So each time one of you mention that vivax is not the sort of player to do "X" my suspicion of him grows. Because what would be the best play as a spy? Exactly, play like you have never played before. That throws you off completely. I wish I had the assistance of players who have clean slates like me to help analyse vivax. From a neutral point of view everything Grack has said makes complete sense to me and is not the play of a spy. My biggest point in favour of Grack is: he defended me (that I don't care about personally) and accused a completely new combination of spies (rtani + vivax). Why should any spy do that? He could have just joined the cool guys (silver and vivax) into bullying sharkie and rt as spies and just enjoy his status as top resistance player. But he didn't do that! No way any spy would ever do such a play. That is self suicidal. You really expect a seasoned player like Grack to 1) Don't fail the first mission to gain credibility in order to prepare for a bigger con. -> Yes, absolutely. That is very good spy play!! 2) After 1, throw everything into the wind and go defend sharkie and accuse vivax/RT -> No way in hell, not even a n00b player would do that. | ||
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On January 27 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote: I'm thinking that maybe the first nomination should immediately pass without a 24 hours discussion phase. That way we actually have something to discuss, the outcome, as there is no lynching and otherwise we will just be talking about who should go on a mission without any actual arguments to support a decision. Like in voice I think no one was intent to oppose anyone on the first team anyway, when we played. It was mostly just seeing if it fails or not, there wasn't anything to discuss. On January 28 2017 05:24 Vivax wrote: I'm very comfy with nay saying until I get a better grip on the game.. On January 30 2017 08:47 Vivax wrote: I'm blatantly advertising this team so we actually get something to pass at some point and if you have issues with any of its members speak up. First he starts with "lets's just auto-accept the first nomination as that doesn't matter at all". Then he nays the first team and mentions that he has no problem with the nay voting game at all and he can keep doing that for a while. Then he is suddenly fed up with the nay-saying and wants that we all yay a team. Nothing too suspicious but for me it is just one of the things that pile up. Next thing is how he regards people. He used to be always very suspicious of Grack and has for a long while even considered him a spy. But then he nominates a team which has not only me but also Grack in the team, also putting me into the team was done almost offhandedly. Also he never really explained at that time why he suddenly stopped suspecting Grack. Then the first mission passed and Grack is top resistance for him together with silver and the obvious spy has to be me. Not only that, rt and me have become a spy combo based on accusations that barely made sense. Each post I made to defend myself he just ignored and practically defended with "you have to be a spy, I ignore the rest of what you say." But then he loses the support of Grack (support he actually never really had but vivax and you, silver, kept repeating that he has to frame me of spy) and rt and he become best buddies out of nowhere and Grack is the obvious spy (with a smaller suspicion of me). He keeps switching suspicions around as he thinks they suit HIM the best. | ||
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On February 09 2017 18:01 Silverika wrote: Actually sharkie, you told us earlier not to judge anyone based on what a spy should or shouldn't do but base our reads on their play. So I'd actually like you to explain why you are so hardcore defending and townreading grack when earlier in the game you were questioning why he was being put up for so many missions. Also, you have to understand that we don't all play like you and your friends and you should stop comparing the two. ~SW I get that. I just don't believe that any of the 3man mission had a spy in it and vivas has to be the saboteur. On February 09 2017 18:03 Silverika wrote: *hardcore defending grack based on what a spy should or shouldn't do Also, weren't you the one who said spies can resistance read a person and we shouldn't be townreading a person based on their read on us? Didn't you just do that with grack? ~SW No I did not. I even mentioned it in parentheses that Grack defending me has nothing to do with my stance of him. o.O Don't accuse me of things I didn't do... On February 09 2017 18:22 Silverika wrote: Basically sharkie why aren't you holding yourself to the same standard as you put forth for the rest of us? ~SW As explained above I do nothing of the things you just accused me... | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:17 Silverika wrote: So grack being a townread based on his defense of you being suicidal goes against you saying we shouldn't townread people based on how a spy would or wouldn't behave. Anyway, I'm gonna have to pull quotes since you are accusing me of saying you are doing things you aren't. I'm mobile posting and will have to do it later. ~SW I'll do it for you. On February 09 2017 18:03 Silverika wrote: *hardcore defending grack based on what a spy should or shouldn't do Also, weren't you the one who said spies can resistance read a person and we shouldn't be townreading a person based on their read on us? Didn't you just do that with grack? ~SW On February 09 2017 16:38 sharkie wrote: That is true. I cannot give you negative points for something Grack had asked you to link. I am just a player who goes into The resistance with a clean plate all the time. I look how players play THIS game and don't think of old games at all. So each time one of you mention that vivax is not the sort of player to do "X" my suspicion of him grows. Because what would be the best play as a spy? Exactly, play like you have never played before. That throws you off completely. I wish I had the assistance of players who have clean slates like me to help analyse vivax. From a neutral point of view everything Grack has said makes complete sense to me and is not the play of a spy. My biggest point in favour of Grack is: he defended me (that I don't care about personally) and accused a completely new combination of spies (rtani + vivax). Why should any spy do that? He could have just joined the cool guys (silver and vivax) into bullying sharkie and rt as spies and just enjoy his status as top resistance player. But he didn't do that! No way any spy would ever do such a play. That is self suicidal. You really expect a seasoned player like Grack to 1) Don't fail the first mission to gain credibility in order to prepare for a bigger con. -> Yes, absolutely. That is very good spy play!! 2) After 1, throw everything into the wind and go defend sharkie and accuse vivax/RT -> No way in hell, not even a n00b player would do that. | ||
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And don't come to me with crap about how his past play proves that he is not that kind of player. Or how he has played makes no sense of spy play. WELL HELLO THERE neither does Grack's play. But Grack is an obvious spy -> Vivax is not?! | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:29 Silverika wrote: Sharkie I have two comments to your big post. First, did Vivax have suspicion of grack all game and can you quote that? I thought they were townreading each other until grack turned on Vivax. But the number one most important thing I want you to address and is the biggest reason ika and I don't think he's a spy is: -He put forward an all Town team as a spy and left himself off when he easily could of added himself. -He risks ika and I adding another Town member to the team-he has no way of knowing we would pick him and make a gamethrowing mistake as a spy. Just why would any spy do that? ~SW 1) On January 30 2017 04:40 Vivax wrote: I'm rejecting the team cuz superbia and silverika aren't on it. They are my strongest reads. I'm requesting calix and SL to step up activity, I can't read them for crap like this. I also very much like rtanisouls list except that superbia would be higher in mine, and grack is more of a null for the point he made about tumblewood which seemed perceptive to me, but can come from spies as well I guess. Here's my suggestion that doesn't have me in it. superbia/silverika/tumble My next step would be to ask rtanisoul if they're fine with this. Grack was null point for vivax, not resistance On February 03 2017 19:59 Vivax wrote: I'm more concerned about Grack tbh, mostly cause all his latest suggestions include him or TW, and cause I haven't seen him in a while which suggests he's happy with the status quo. Ikawolf I think is indisputably town. Sharkie is innocent child. Need Grack to get in here and make me believe that approving this is great with him on the team. And cause I want to see his updated TW standing. On February 03 2017 22:34 Vivax wrote: K guess I'm fine with just treating SL as perma scum then. I'm approving and just yoloing past my second thoughts on grack. Vivax is suspicious of Grack but still includes him in the team because? | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:29 Silverika wrote: Sharkie I have two comments to your big post. First, did Vivax have suspicion of grack all game and can you quote that? I thought they were townreading each other until grack turned on Vivax. But the number one most important thing I want you to address and is the biggest reason ika and I don't think he's a spy is: -He put forward an all Town team as a spy and left himself off when he easily could of added himself. -He risks ika and I adding another Town member to the team-he has no way of knowing we would pick him and make a gamethrowing mistake as a spy. Just why would any spy do that? ~SW Regarding 2) - he added before the game started not to put himself on the team, he CAN'T go back on his word. If he does, he is AUTOMATICALLY a spy to everyone I hope? - What risk? He even asked you what team you would suggest to put up. He practically said "I trust you what you do. Tell me what to do" Don't tell me that didn't give him bonus points in your view. As you can see not including himself gained him massive resistance points from everyone with the exception of me. - Why? Because his spy teammates suck. | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:30 Silverika wrote: You mention it's the biggest point though, it's irrelevant that you don't care for it. You mentioned it twice. If you think it should not be a reason you should not mention it. I mention it only because not mentioning it would be withholding information about what has happened. If I didn't mention his defense of me I bet you that there would be at least one person who would say "oh sharkie, you defend grack only because he defended you. Why don't you mention that he defended you?" | ||
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On February 09 2017 19:57 RtaniSoul wrote: sharkie, level with me, is your biggest issue with people suspecting grack that you think too many people are? No, it's that vivax is getting a free pass. On February 09 2017 20:03 Silverika wrote: Sharkie let me try this approach as well: you think both can be scum yes? How about you show a logical conclusion on why it must be the case and explain why scum!vivax would cast shade on his teammate scum!grack Cus the point that's gonna be argued is that they are playing in a suboptimal format by doing so are they not? I don't think both of them spies. That's way too deep of a level. That is like considering that you are a spy. On February 09 2017 20:34 Vivax wrote: Well RtaniSoul gets an easy townread now. I don't even know what all the fuss is about me sharkie is making, I asked him a clear question: Which team do you think would succeed, and since he's so convinced Grack is not mafia, would he still think that if the team failed without me on it and for example rtanisoul instead? Right now he's just flailing at me getting TR and grack scumread. What point is there, where does he want to lead? Just don't add me on the team then or don't approve teams with me on it, I'm perfectly fine not being on a team as long as I think it will succeed. But with what you're doing you aren't providing solutions. No, I don't think the team had failed if we had rtanisoul on it. But then we would probably also have gotten more nayvotes (including yours). But I can't prove anything. | ||
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On February 09 2017 22:42 RtaniSoul wrote: PoE is Process of Elimination. And trust me, we haven't given Vivax a free pass. You mentioned people can change their play and I agree that there's a few things that people can change, but a lot of things are things people do subconsciously or just really don't fit into their personality and would never come up with. I believe I'm familiar enough with Vivax that this is the case for him. We also really don't see a situation in which Vivax is a spy without one of you/silver/grack being a spy simply because the risk of losing outright after that if silver decides to put me on the mission next, which given his reads was a very likely option. In the end silver and you don't believe vivax is the spy because he is not the type of player to make such risky play isn't that true? Obviously, it is not the only reason but it is a big reason. As a neutral player I do not have this prejudice, do you understand how for me this can be a very likely possibility? (And silver did not put you in the team though. In fact it was never in discussion because I had suggested it but both vivax and silver declined my suggestion and then started to bombard us with spy accusations.) | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:00 RtaniSoul wrote: On one hand, I do understand. On the other, I feel like Vivax has made a bunch of plays much less likely to come from a spy than Grack has. Mainly the not putting himself on a mission (you mention he said he wouldn't from the start, my argument would be why would he bring it up to begin with? Plus you can backtrack on your words anyway like Grack has regarding not mentioning what he'd vote for) and the whole play with switching me in for you when he was widely townread that didn't make much sense. As for silver not putting me on the mission: At the time when Vivax made the nomination, it was impossible for him to know that. It would be a very big gamble if he were mafia. I don't think these suspicions were loud enough at the time Vivax nominated his mission that he could be reasonably certain he'd be picked for the next mission instead of us but I could be misremembering. So your answer is practically yes but you don't want to admit it. XD | ||
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I cannot add vivax as he is my prime suspect and if I add Grack the team won't happen anyway. And out of all lazy players super seems the most likely candidate for resistance I guess? | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:18 RtaniSoul wrote: How certain are you that Vivax is the spy over Grack? 70-30 that vivax is spy and not Grack for me. I can understand your and silver's arguments from your point of views. They just don't fit with mine... On February 09 2017 23:19 Silverika wrote: sharkie you realize you can go back and read the games that vivax has been in instead of complaining about your lack of info/meta? also grack whats the status of reading those scum games of ours have you reached a conclusion yet? I am not complaining about a lack of info/meta. I am complaining that you two read too much into past games... | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:26 Silverika wrote: why should we not? if there is a treand that someone has over games that they show why should it not be used? the thing that someone already said is that meta is the use of what one subconsciously does so for them to fake it as scum they must first be aware of the said thing and then consciously do/not do it. ever play poker? real question it will help in anlogy format cus i feel like you are missing what we are saying Well you used meta a few days ago to put vivax/grack on the resistance side and me on the spy side. Clearly that did not work as you had hoped it would be. If you had been wrong once, why not wrong twice? After such a 180 from Grack (which you clearly would have never expected), why is not that not liable for vivax? | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:47 Vivax wrote: Tinfoil time: Could it be super + sharkie are both spy and the reason they passed the first mission was that their only out was to both scumread swika, so when the second mission failed their only out is to scumread me? I'd guess you mean grack+me, not super? If that were the case I am pretty sure one of us would have played the total scapegoat and the other the loyal resistance player... | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:35 Silverika wrote: i never used meta as a reason to send them. i used the fact they knew each other and could potentialy reach each other, that's called trust. i have no meta of you so i can not use meta to say your spy or town. Silverwolf has already explained the vivax situation mutiple times and your continued incetive that the only reason to town read him is "meta" is growing old That is total meta... The meta being that Grack and vivax read each other in other games. | ||
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On February 09 2017 23:56 Silverika wrote: Sharkie, if you keep assigning motives to us that are not true, I'm gonna drop my townread on you pretty quickly. We were NOT hoping things would work out any certain way. You keep throwing this out there and twisting it. We re-evaluated our read on you and Rtani Soul and have explained it very thoroughly so just stop with the subtle jabs unless you want to start calling us a spy, then come at me bro directly. None of this pussyfooting around garbage. ~SW Where the heck am I accusing you ever of being a spy? O.O | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:05 Silverika wrote: UNLESS YOU WANT TO START CALLING US A SPY Basically, ika and I feel like you are going to great lengths to discredit us and I fail to see the reasoning for it if you don't spy read us. Like where is your town motivation in this? ~SW I am not discrediting you. I make it official right now and here. I am not trying anything with you. I just want you to see my way of thinking. Can you? If yes then we have no problem except that we agree to disagree with our two views. My resistance motivation behind this is to avoid having vivax on a team again. Which he seems to be fine with anyway? | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:17 Vivax wrote: Sharkie who is spy with me? The two worst players of the game | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:21 Vivax wrote: Sorry I'm just really trying to figure out for a day who you would actually send on a mission cause all I see is you being completely hung up on this grack/me thingy. Also this. I am sorry I am just fed up atm because silver is totally misunderstanding me... I did answer both your questions you know? Who I would sub instead of you and also who I would send out for the next team... | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:36 Vivax wrote: Well I might be missing it but I have no idea who your suggestion for team spy is. Me/?/? EC asked me that yesterday and my answer hasn't changed yet. EC or TL / vivax / SL | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:40 Vivax wrote: This is the closest I find to you actually broadening your horizon in this game. It leaves the following open: Why not TW? Why not SL? Why not emc? Why is super resistance? Can you cook up a team without yourself in it? I think I have explained my position of TW/SL several times before... The same is with emc I mentioned that several times as well Super is resistance by process of elimination :/ | ||
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Two are easy: silver and RT super is because by process of elimination and one of EC/TW/SL which I really do not want to do since I dislike the play of all three of them | ||
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On February 10 2017 00:19 Vivax wrote: I'm at emc/Grack/superbia Or Grack/you/superbia atm. SL has earned himself a yolo townread from me. But don't ask me why it's all guts. EMC not being in your spy team makes you totally suspect you know? | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:01 Vivax wrote: All this bickering leads to nowhere need clear opinions, teams you would approve and who you think are spies. Sharkie said he won't approve teams without grack himself and super, who coincidentially are also one of my possible spy teams. What does Grack say? Will he also only approve teams with himself, sharkie and superbia? Sharkie/grack/super would mean none of ec/sl/tw is a spy... You'd practically have the worst resistance players ever, vivax.. Surely you cannot imagine that happening? I am not the only person, nor the first person who has found tons of bad play from them. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:21 Vivax wrote: I don't think in good/bad, I think in resistance/not resistance, and know one of you or grack is scum for sure, maybe both. You should also think one of me/grack is spy for sure if you were resistance so why doesn't it feel like that in this post? What do you mean it doesn't feel like that in this post? I barely posted two sentences o.O | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:29 Vivax wrote: And I also don't see how TW is playing badly, can you explain how TW is playing badly, he just plays a more passive game in my eyes. SL was obviously tilted at being completely at the bottom at the beginning but then came back and kept playing and seems more confident, EC is the hardest for me to crack as he doesn't really try to get into conversations and I've only slightly ever seen him argue with people, quite like super. But I think that by now TW should have a good degree of readability and I don't see why one would come to the conclusion that he's bad, and not spy or res. Really? Then silver, rt and me must be bad players by your standards. | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:32 Vivax wrote: Your entire post is aimed at making me believe sharkie/grack/super is impossible when I KNOW that 1-2 of them are spies cause the mission failed. And I don't know why you would make me want to believe that if you KNEW that I was spy cause you're so sure that grack is town. And even if you aren't sure, then you still wouldn't post that cause I included Grack in my team. How should I KNOW that I am a spy? o.o Could you stop putting words in my mouth. And why shouldn't I post regardless who you put in that team? Go look through my filter. I share my views with the predictions of all top5 players. I don't mean it as an insult but you are just being weird right now... And yes I am saying sharkie/grack/super IS impossible... If I were a spy I'd be stupid to even argue that with you... RT, please help me  | ||
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On February 10 2017 04:44 RtaniSoul wrote: Alright. Vivax, Silverika, Grack, can you link the best scumgames you've ever played? (and with a list of your scumbuddies if it's not obvious in the OP). Won't they just post the games which are furthest away from how they are playing this game if you ask them directly? | ||
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Just I agree with silver and rt's stance here. Unless super decides to come back and give us more information about his play I unfortunately do not see too much of a chance of this Nomination... Which makes my turn coming up much more difficult... | ||
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On February 11 2017 20:42 Vivax wrote: Well my three scenarios are:
Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case. My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy? I don't believe that this team will fail. But if it fails then super must be the spy. But that's a risk we will take with any of sl/tw/emc/super. | ||
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On February 11 2017 20:16 Superbia wrote: Since the gf is currently on the phone, I'll elaborate a little bit: I'm still a bit stuck on 99% mafia being on team 1. I may be reading a bit too much into WIFOM here, but the polarized votes, especially by scummy people, are so incredibly weird. Initially when making this post, I wanted to call out grack for a mafia WIFOM team. However, Grack's theory is interesting. In a way that it is pretty shit and farfetched, but it showcases a townie mindset. If you think both your team mates are town, and you are town, how do you approach that vote? And that's it looks like he did. If it's a play, it's pretty good. But I actually like him as town at this point. That does leave me stuck on the votes on team 1, and everything surrounding it (cough—I'm still reading a bit into the late modpost). I actually would prefer grack on the team without sharkie. I may be falling into a good WIFOM play here. But this is where my mind is headed atm. Who are the scummy people in your view? Also, when you mention that you like Grack's theory and call it townlike, do you mean my theory that Grack has adapted? | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:20 Superbia wrote: Like is anyone not following my logic here? Please tell me. I agree mostly with your logic there. Just for me it is exactly one spy between you two, not max. But I also believe that team 1 has no spy in the team and only Grack is with me on that theory | ||
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On February 12 2017 06:25 Superbia wrote: In a game where t1 is all town it's vivax/ec/tw Great, now you agree with me as well (on the spies). Vivax will use this to further think his me/grack/super theory is sound haha... | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:25 Vivax wrote: Don't worry you don't have to do much everyone already solved the game just approve RtaniSoul/Swika/yourself/SL and we win the game ez Since you asked me the question I think it is only fair for me to ask you the same question. If that team had a fail, who would be the spy? | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:40 Vivax wrote: Since you asked me the question it's only fair you ask him the same question. Why did Grack disapprove his own team? I can play this game too you know. rt already asked | ||
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On February 12 2017 07:48 Vivax wrote: Remember to ask everyone else who does that in the future as well, it seems to be important to you. Well obvious it's important to ask the person who nominates the team why he decided to nayvote it? Also vivax, since the day of the nomination of the 2nd mission all you have done in this game is to hurl insults to people. It started with me, changed then to rtani, progressed to grack and has now reached super. How about you start trying to prove your innocence with facts other than "hey come on, do you really think that is how I would play the game as a spy" or insults. I don't think you answered any of my questions back then during mission 2 voting process. You were too busy calling rt and me a spy team. | ||
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Can't believe I am the only person who keeps reading him a spy. At least people start opening their eyes to Grack. Totally sad that it took so long for people to realise that he isn't a spy..Vivax is totally abusing the meta here, do you even notice how often he keeps mentioning that this is not his way to play a spy -> ergo being that he isn't a spy! That is like the lamest excuse ever. Some of you at least realised that two of our worst players in the game are the other two spies but don't see that as a reason how vivax is forced to play the game. Just ask yourself if you were in his position, how would you play the game? You need to fail three missions, and your teammates will never have the prospect of entering a team nomination successfully. What would you do in that position? Stop thinking about the player but about the situation. Look at his defenses when he was accused by rt, me or grack. He got even defense bonus points from ec/tw - I'd never want that. He is also the only player who has still refused to flat out call ec a spy. The only thing I might agree with him is that tw might be a good player as super only appears in the game when it benefits his position as a potential spy player. Also the mere prospect of Grack AND me being spies and not failing the first mission is so ridicilous. This is as ridicilous as his earlier "sure thing" of rt and me being a spy team together. I think his words back then were "if this mission fails, rt+sharkie is a sure thing." Do you even realise that he framed our second most reliable resistance player (rtani) a spy? How the heck can that be ignored? | ||
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On February 13 2017 04:56 Superbia wrote: I'd much prefer to have myself instead of SL because he's meh. And if I could replace vivax I would. But you won't replace either one, right? | ||
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My reasons for rejecting it are the same as they were back then, super. So pretty much anyone believes super is a spy but they want to consider a team he rejected? Both of super's two possible teams included vivax in it and our two top resistance players (silver, rtani). The fourth member is pretty irrelevant apparently as he did not care whether he is in the team or sicklucker is in the team. In my opinion this just reinforces my theory of vivax being the head spymaster of the spy team and I guess I was incorrect in my guess that the other two spies are EC and TW. Seems as if super is part of the spy team. It does not change the rest of my theory that vivax is a spy and his teammates just are bad players (Super and EC or TW). But people would rather believe in a Grack who acts in a complete suicide manner by losing all his credibility for really nothing than a vivax who had a very, very good shot at being included as the 4th member in the second mission. I mean he even started suspecting rtani during the nomination process and threw in the loop that he'd rather have rtani than me in the mission (with the aim to put all the blame on rtani when the mission fails). Some of you might remember how he kept saying when the mission fails rt+sharkie team is a given lol. Weird that he considered pretty much the second highest top resistance member a 100% spy till the moment Grack turned 180? But seriously no one even remembers what he has done most of the game. I feel as if I have to keep repeating myself as no one reads my posts. TLDR: VIVAX FRAMED RTANI AS A 100% SPY BEFORE GRACK'S 180. But I guess all I will get is satisfaction that I was right when the game ends | ||
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On February 14 2017 01:18 Superbia wrote: Like at this point, if this is an all-town team, scum has to reject. So I want to know why reads are switching now and where people are at exactly. On February 10 2017 07:00 Rels wrote: The team consisting of RtaniSoul, sicklucker, Silverika, Vivax has been rejected. Votes for: none. Votes against: emperorchampion, Grackaroni, RtaniSoul, sharkie, sicklucker, Silverika, Superbia, Tumblewood, Vivax. Team Leader Grackaroni will now make Attempt #2 to nominate a team for Mission #3. The nomination will be locked Friday, Feb 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), in . | ||
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On February 14 2017 02:14 Superbia wrote: Your theory fell apart when you called me a bad player. Wow what incredible defense. I am sorry I was too dazzled by your inactivity. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:16 RtaniSoul wrote: That doesn't make sense. You think he randomly decided to take my/sharkie's side when he could've kept the thread split in two and have him be on the townread side? I doubt it. He's been spouting such nonsense since 4 player team nomination began. First, the team was sharkie/rt, now it is grack/sharkie. When will you realise that vivax has spouted a lot of nonsense this game and furthermore is the only player who has switched player allegiances so often. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:29 RtaniSoul wrote: Static reads, floaty uncommitting reads, read strength and arguments not matching up First of all, none of these traits fit to grack/vivax/me. His read strength and arguments definitely did not match up when he accused you | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:36 Vivax wrote: You will need to walk people through with quotations if you want to convince them when they have known how I play for years. Btw RtaniSoul I'm not sure who you refer to when you say it makes no sense. I don't think I need to look up for your quotations when you accused him of being a spy. He was quite fed up with you. Funnily enough, that time he could imagine you being a spy but he totally discarded these feelings now. Arrrghhhh! Also, it's obvious that he means the grack/me combo making no sense. | ||
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On February 14 2017 03:55 Superbia wrote: I'm just banking on the game being over in 3 hours so I can fully dedicate what little free time I have to diplomacy ^^ Game won't be over. I'll bet you that | ||
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Imagine your vote was the deciding one to fail the nomination of this mission. You'd have gotten all the blame of the four others... Or are you actually too scared to fail this mission as this would lay bare that Grack and me have been right all this time? As the only member of a nonsucky spy team would you seriously go to such lengths? I guess having pretty much three confirmed resistance players on the team and then failing the mission as the only suspicious person would suck and thus result in losing the game for sure. Now, will you risk not failing this mission with the hope that one of your spy buddies is going to be on the team? | ||
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On February 14 2017 15:11 Grackaroni wrote: Like it seems pretty obvious to me that the way to get town read by you guys is to town read you. Yep. I totally agree with Grack there. If one of Grack/me were to town read vivax I bet 100% vivax would solely focus his spy blaming on the other one but since both of us are accusing him Grack/me MUST be a team in his eyes... (regardless of whether it makes no sense at all) Same thing happened with rtani: vivax accused him of a spy -> vivax is a spy. vivax concedes rt being a resistance player -> vivax is suddenly resistance or best example with EC: EC kept reading super and vivax resistance and for the longest while super and vivax even said they could consider EC being a resistance player even when it was obvious to everyone else that this is not so. Let's not even start with sicklucker there | ||
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On February 14 2017 15:19 Silverika wrote: No actually it isn't. You don't know a damn thing about how I play do how about you stop being an ass for 5 seconds? Like, fuck you grack. I don't give a damn how drunk you are just fuck off. I'm so over this game. But you get pissed off at everyone who does not town read you. So in a way he is right you know | ||
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On February 14 2017 15:26 Silverika wrote: I'm gonna replace out. I'll see if ika wants to take over. I'm done. Dude, neither Grack nor me are doing this to piss you off. Why do you have to put your emotions into this game? | ||
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On February 14 2017 15:35 Grackaroni wrote: I just feel like that you guys are scum reading me because I was questioning your alignment. spyreading rtani also killed your credibility imo - I still don't know how that made any sense. I totally agree with vivax as you are definitely resistance. | ||
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On February 14 2017 16:02 Silverika wrote: Holy crap, rtani soul said sharkie was town-sharkie hard townread rtanit soul and defended him the rest of the game. Grack hard townreads sharkie, he suddenly hard townreads grack and sticks up for him the rest of the game. Where's your scumread of him for townreading those that townread him grack? Oh right. He's townreading and defending you, so you aren't gonna go there. But you'll go after us because we aren't townreading you. But your way of doing it is to take potshots. -I think they are spy manipulating everyone's emotions -They always scumread those that scumread them, I don't want to deal with their crap and any crap they throw at me if I scumread them. -I couldn't deal with their crap last game either These are potshots designed to put me on the defensive and do nothing to figure out my alignment. This is why I can't townread you. BTW-If you think I'm not gonna look at motive when people turn on us after townreading us all game with no good reasoning behind it, then I don't know what to tell you. Spy's pretty much have to force us off the next mission in order to win. I have never hard townread rtani nor defended him most of the game... I did hardtownread Grack before he even posted the vivax/rtani theory. You could at least remember things correctly before you use me as an example. | ||
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On February 14 2017 16:06 sharkie wrote: I have never hard townread rtani nor defended him most of the game... I did hardtownread Grack before he even posted the vivax/rtani theory. You could at least remember things correctly before you use me as an example. Well I did hard townread rtani but that has been since the start of the game. Back then when everyone suspected me of a spy. But I never defended him | ||
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That is what I meant earlier. When someone talks back to you, they are automatically shady for you. | ||
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On February 14 2017 16:25 Silverika wrote: Also, grack when I said I didn't understand your read progression, you said you weren't gonna read the scumgames you asked for that I provided and got snippy with us but never addressed our concerns. I agreed back with you that that was not ok from Grack... On February 14 2017 16:29 Silverika wrote: -Stop using meta to read people-that's bad, wrong, etc. -Stop using WIFOM arguments to read people-that's bad, wrong etc. ^^ From the wisdom of sharkie^^ As far as that last line, if you have a point about our alignment, make it. Otherwise, just stop with the following grack around like a puppy and agreeing with everything he says. I have disagreed with Grack plenty of times. Rtani is the only player I did not have discussions with... | ||
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On February 14 2017 17:13 Silverika wrote: Then again, being unwilling to re-evaluate his reads, could be scum for sharkie. He's ignoring the very real point that Vivax wouldn't put forward an all Town team and keep himself off the next one as a spy. He's just set in the Vivax scum world with no re-evaluation and I wonder if there is the possibility that he'd rather townread those townreading him so he can go on missions but still has to have a scumread from the mission that failed if he's a spy. Wouldn't I have just jumped on the blaming Grack ship then? I am the only one not considering Grack as a spy | ||
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On February 14 2017 17:24 Silverika wrote: "I hate it when people use wifom as a defense but I'm going to use it myself" My comment was on the "motivation" of your reasoning. | ||
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On February 14 2017 17:34 Silverika wrote: Why is grack absolutely not ever a spy in your world sharkie? ~SW Because he twice had a chance to put the whole blame on player x with the support of 7/8 players behind him but did not do it and blamed player y. That is not a WIFOM argument. It is just the refusal to believe such a horrible player would play resistance voluntarily. But then again, I have seen bad play in this game... But this would be just unimaginable bad play. This is my sole reason really. And thus, I just looked up what spy motivation vivax has to have to play like he did. And seriously, you need to become creative if your spy teammates are horrible. How else could vivax end up in 3/5 missions to win this game? Failing 2/5 missions all alone is impressive but in the end it is still a loss. You need to become creative to get that magic 3 | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote: Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game. Surprise surprise!!! Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy Hahaha | ||
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Oh really? Then we must have 8 resistance players. XD Anyway, that was not my point. My point was you guys change reads BASED on how people read you lol. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote: that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you. But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end" | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:28 RtaniSoul wrote: that can come from a townie mindset, to be fair. if you're resistance in this game, and everyone is reading you as spy, it actually is to a spy's advantage to keep that presumption going. also often those statements aren't serious. context is important also you did say it about us >> i remember. cause it annoyed me that it was inaccurate. i try not to argue every time i see an inaccuracy though, or this thread would be much, much longer Ah yeah I did when you switched from vivax spy to grack spy. | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:33 Superbia wrote: LS is town-reading me as well? I feel like Vivax's townread on me is probably genuine and he's one of the only ones to do it. So it makes sense to give him townpoints for that. LS is not town reading you. And TW never did | ||
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Why is my read on vivax stubborn and unchanging (said by multiple people) but everyone's read on grack is not stubborn and unchanging? | ||
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On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote: lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk @sharkie i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax. then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed - silver was town practically instantly in your eyes - so were we - sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter. - I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed. - Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc... - SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play. - EC: well, no comment there - TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super) - vivax: town to spy - silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against) - RT: neutral->good So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O | ||
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On February 14 2017 20:17 RtaniSoul wrote: It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong Oh that makes perfect sense as I have had that feeling in this thread the last couple of days. I mean I haven't had a single clear answer to my question way back (question to everyone): How would you have played the game as vivax if your teammates are the worst players in the game? Probably just like I have described in my theory no? | ||
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On February 15 2017 00:04 Superbia wrote: In before scum did not realize two fails are needed to fail the next mission. Mentioned that way before you | ||
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On February 15 2017 00:28 Superbia wrote: Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie. "mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with? Indeed. So why make that comment? | ||
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On February 15 2017 00:46 Superbia wrote: If this succeeds I want the time I spent on this game today back. me too | ||
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On February 15 2017 17:28 RtaniSoul wrote: As long as everyone acknowledges myself and silver are town and EC is scum the game is 100% over. If anyone needs convincing on any of those slots let me know. Please explain LS's thought process. Apparently you know him | ||
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On February 15 2017 18:51 RtaniSoul wrote: It shouldn't really matter but here goes. LS is someone who does odd things and generally tends to do perceived townie things without necessarily thinking too much about the consequences in the moment. I therefore find it perfectly possible he'd vote for an all-town mission, especially after just replacing in. Something that makes me lean scum on him is how he A) Came up with a bunch of reads 20 minutes after he said he'd read filters and voiced a for him very strong scumread on EC despite really not having the time to catch up in that time and B) how he's kinda went afk for the last day whilst staying active in the other game. *sighs* | ||
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On February 15 2017 19:11 RtaniSoul wrote: to be more precise, if you think ls is town this is moot to begin with cause \o/ yay voted for a successful mission! us suspecting him shouldn't matter unless you have a reason to believe either we/silver are scum or ec is somehow town this game. and if he's scum voting for a pure mission all the better. where is the sighing coming from? you were willing to say vivax put up an all town team with the hopes he'd get on the second, fail it, and not be scumread while his two scumbuddies were too scummy to over make it on the team. i fail to see how this would be more outlandish than that, especially given who ls is Because spies need two votes to fail mission 4. I wonder if LS knows that | ||
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On February 15 2017 19:28 RtaniSoul wrote: -shrugs- do you disagree that silver and i are town, or that ec is scum? No, I never did that. | ||
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On February 15 2017 20:07 RtaniSoul wrote: then how have we not already won the game? Because spies have not conceded yet for some reason | ||
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Spies can concede if all three of them PM the hosts that they concede. | ||
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One improvement I'd suggest though is to speed up the time between team successful nomination and mission result. | ||
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On February 15 2017 23:34 RtaniSoul wrote: Why not? The only way we don't instawin here with this team is if one of me and silver is a spy or EC is resistance. Why would either of us not have failed the last mission? I guess we have five bad players instead of 4 XD | ||
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On February 15 2017 23:49 Vivax wrote: Yeh I'm approving. Sharkie/Grack/emc is my final call. facepalm | ||
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On February 16 2017 00:07 Vivax wrote: You seem salty Yeah remember my reason for vivax spymaster theory? | ||
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On February 16 2017 01:18 Vivax wrote: I have a hard time remembering things that propagate obvious untruths. You are in the wrong thread then XD | ||
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On February 16 2017 02:30 sicklucker wrote: and even I should be confirmed . its against all are win conditions to fail that. mission 5 is way harder to fail then mission 3. if any of you are scum off to the ban list with you for trollling the game! The problem is all three have to concede for the game to end | ||
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On February 16 2017 08:29 Grackaroni wrote: See I was innocent! It was a framing... I never framed you though. :o On February 16 2017 08:31 Vivax wrote: Oh god poor sharkie D: Well played, for a first game you were very good. Sucks that 2/3 of your team were full of replacements. Can't judge them all one by one, but you deserve the spy MVP. This should get rid of the rumour that Grack is good at reading me Well written flavour by the way! My reason for your motivation as a spymaster was that you had the two worst players in the game as team members. :p On February 16 2017 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: When I knew how bad of a situation we were in so I tried to disassociate myself from them. Gg wp. I was at worst a 50/50 with Grack and TW was at least a tossup between super and himself. You, just made it open that you were a spy and then even yayvoted a decisive vote for an all town team. -.- | ||
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When I joined the game, everyone of you already suspected my predecessor Ray as a spy so it was very difficult to blend in as a resistance player. I had actually planned the exact same thing I accused vivax of (yaying an all town and hoping to get in as #4 for the second mission) as there was no other way I could get into three missions to fail them. My teammates were hopeless to begin with either going full spy or just full afk. That is why I was so irritated that none of you could believe vivax doing so (yesterday I realised why, the problem wasn't my overall theory - it was vivax). I still believe if I had failed mission 1 or framed Grack after mission 2 I could have not gotten in more than two fails. 9 player resistance favors town (way more town than spies and mission 4) from a number's perspective so I don't think I could have won this game any other way. What irritated me most though were obviously LS's actions. Came in posting way too fast and then giving the crucial yay vote for mission 3... (not only that but vivax even nayvoted it...) Some of you were upset for vivax nayvoting even though the nomination was successful. Imagine how you would have acted if vivax had been the deciding 4/5 vote to fail the nomination.. Maybe I could have had a chance to sell the vivax/super theory - I don't know... Anyway I tried my best here starting from a horrible position which only got worse as the game progressed... P.S. For anyone who thinks they figured me out the last days - my tone completely changed when LS did his first posts as I already saw the end of the game then. P.P.S. vivax: if Grack and me had been spies, one of us would have failed mission 1 and cruised to easy spy victory. :p | ||
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On February 16 2017 21:13 LightningStrike wrote: Even if it was 50/50 it would of been a uphill battle to win Mission 5 because of the double spy needing to sabotage the mission. Plus given what team I wanted to send I would of looked scummy as hell if I rejected it :\ Plus Vivax was being townread so if I voted reject I would of outed myself on that alone. But your decision just gave up the game... | ||
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You were really good.will miss you! | ||
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On February 17 2017 02:19 Silverika wrote: that being said i think sharkie has a good potentail, the only thing i would tone down (and what agev you away late game IMO) was the flaming the fires. when you come in with nothing but pot shots and jabs, its kinda makes it obvious your not here to solve nad more to instigate I still don't know how you got that feeling silver... I never ever tried to do that :/ It's also not my way to play a game | ||
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On February 17 2017 02:57 Silverika wrote: this is ika when you were comming in near end and jsut making posts that were kinda not game relevant and more just a "jab" at players (i cna find quotes if needed) i find that to be scum indictiave Ah you mean that, yeah because I already had conceded at that point! And sorry for being bitter at that time but I woke up and I saw LS giving the deciding 5/4 point after all the work I put in this game made me bitter. | ||
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