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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 07:44 GMT
#1976
I back this 100%:

SPIES HAVE TO KEEP SILVERIKA OFF THE NEXT MISSION IN ORDER TO WIN
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 08:16 GMT
#1984
On February 14 2017 17:13 Silverika wrote:
Then again, being unwilling to re-evaluate his reads, could be scum for sharkie. He's ignoring the very real point that Vivax wouldn't put forward an all Town team and keep himself off the next one as a spy. He's just set in the Vivax scum world with no re-evaluation and I wonder if there is the possibility that he'd rather townread those townreading him so he can go on missions but still has to have a scumread from the mission that failed if he's a spy.


Wouldn't I have just jumped on the blaming Grack ship then? I am the only one not considering Grack as a spy
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 08:28 GMT
#1988
On February 14 2017 17:24 Silverika wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 17:16 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 17:13 Silverika wrote:
Then again, being unwilling to re-evaluate his reads, could be scum for sharkie. He's ignoring the very real point that Vivax wouldn't put forward an all Town team and keep himself off the next one as a spy. He's just set in the Vivax scum world with no re-evaluation and I wonder if there is the possibility that he'd rather townread those townreading him so he can go on missions but still has to have a scumread from the mission that failed if he's a spy.


Wouldn't I have just jumped on the blaming Grack ship then? I am the only one not considering Grack as a spy


"I hate it when people use wifom as a defense but I'm going to use it myself"


My comment was on the "motivation" of your reasoning.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 08:50 GMT
#1995
On February 14 2017 17:34 Silverika wrote:
Why is grack absolutely not ever a spy in your world sharkie?

~SW


Because he twice had a chance to put the whole blame on player x with the support of 7/8 players behind him but did not do it and blamed player y.
That is not a WIFOM argument. It is just the refusal to believe such a horrible player would play resistance voluntarily.

But then again, I have seen bad play in this game... But this would be just unimaginable bad play.

This is my sole reason really. And thus, I just looked up what spy motivation vivax has to have to play like he did. And seriously, you need to become creative if your spy teammates are horrible. How else could vivax end up in 3/5 missions to win this game?
Failing 2/5 missions all alone is impressive but in the end it is still a loss. You need to become creative to get that magic 3
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:20 GMT
#2021
On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game.


Surprise surprise!!!
Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance
RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy

Hahaha
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:24 GMT
#2029
On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game.


Surprise surprise!!!
Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance
RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy

Hahaha


Changing reads is a town-trait.


Oh really? Then we must have 8 resistance players. XD
Anyway, that was not my point. My point was you guys change reads BASED on how people read you lol.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:26 GMT
#2030
On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game.


Surprise surprise!!!
Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance
RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy

Hahaha


Changing reads is a town-trait.


that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate


I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you.
But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end"
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:30 GMT
#2033
On February 14 2017 19:28 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:26 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game.


Surprise surprise!!!
Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance
RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy

Hahaha


Changing reads is a town-trait.


that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate


I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you.
But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end"


that can come from a townie mindset, to be fair. if you're resistance in this game, and everyone is reading you as spy, it actually is to a spy's advantage to keep that presumption going. also often those statements aren't serious. context is important

also you did say it about us >> i remember. cause it annoyed me that it was inaccurate. i try not to argue every time i see an inaccuracy though, or this thread would be much, much longer


Ah yeah I did when you switched from vivax spy to grack spy.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:37 GMT
#2039
On February 14 2017 19:33 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:26 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:24 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:22 Superbia wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:20 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:16 Superbia wrote:
Vivax seems to be the only one who's actually evaluating me as possible town, which is why I'm just willing to ride or die with him until the end of game.


Surprise surprise!!!
Vivax says Super = resistance -> conclusion: super thinks vivax = resistance
RTani says Super = not sure/leaning towards spy -> conclusion: super thinks rt = spy

Hahaha


Changing reads is a town-trait.


that's not what he's saying anyway super. he's on his people read others as they read them kick, which is 1) not helpful to keep pointing out and 2) a blatant oversimplification of most of our reads which i personally do not appreciate


I don't include you in that generalization. You have actual analysis working behind your theories and don't really care how people read you.
But people like super, SL say "he townreads me so no matter what I townread him to the end"


LS is town-reading me as well?

I feel like Vivax's townread on me is probably genuine and he's one of the only ones to do it. So it makes sense to give him townpoints for that.


LS is not town reading you.
And TW never did
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 10:50 GMT
#2045
Just out of curiosity:

Why is my read on vivax stubborn and unchanging (said by multiple people)

but everyone's read on grack is not stubborn and unchanging?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 11:08 GMT
#2051
On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x;


lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at

i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk

@sharkie

i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax.

then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed

- silver was town practically instantly in your eyes
- so were we
- sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing

none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you


My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter.
- I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed.
- Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc...
- SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play.
- EC: well, no comment there
- TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super)
- vivax: town to spy
- silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against)
- RT: neutral->good

So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 11:24 GMT
#2054
On February 14 2017 20:17 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 20:08 sharkie wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:59 RtaniSoul wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:49 Superbia wrote:
lol don't spend too much work time on this game though x;


lol >< in all honesty, i read a textbook between yesterday and today, did a presentation, and went to class for four hours, plus did work at home for my internship. in some ways this is a welcome break. in others i'm aware that i'm babbling about a game i'm not caught up on and that's probably not that helpful...but at least you'll know where half of these heads are at

i'll just tag team lex when he gets back from his walk

@sharkie

i (and i think lex but definitely i) thought that when you first started throwing a fit about people scumreading grack it was because you didn't think we were considering vivax.

then it turned out you'd decided vivax was scum. while i can see possibly you being that convinced that silver and grack are town based on the first mission, your refusal to even consider other people's analysis or the possibility that you could be wrong, plus just a general sense that your overall reads have not really changed

- silver was town practically instantly in your eyes
- so were we
- sl is an evil scumbot cause of his flippant way of playing

none of these ever seemed to be revisited. correct me if i'm wrong. this is what makes me leery of you


My overall reads have not changed? Please go through my filter.
- I have been suspicious of Grack most of the time till the 3man mission passed.
- Super was town for me at the start of the game, then changed to spy, then changed to town, then changed to spy, etc...
- SL: yeah he was spy for me at first, then changed to neutral/good and then I just discarded him as a BAD PLAYER, not as a spy. Pretty sure I even mentioned that he was likely resistance but I dont want to reward bad play.
- EC: well, no comment there
- TW: has been my on and off just like super has been (but I think thats most of us did: have on/off about TW/super)
- vivax: town to spy
- silver: yeah town all game for me (which they would definitely argue against)
- RT: neutral->good

So I changed my reads about six players the whole game. Some of them even multiple times. And you say my overall reads have not changed? I am confused? o.O

It's something that we have gotten a feeling of in the last few days as you've been mostly focussed on stressing how people are treating Grack unfairly over Vivax, and it's been your focal point for a while now whilst, to the naked eye, not seriously reconsidering any of your reads. It felt kind of like you're in a transmitter state - just broadcasting, not receiving, if that makes any sense. But you're right, we haven't looked back through your filter yet. We could definitely be wrong


Oh that makes perfect sense as I have had that feeling in this thread the last couple of days.

I mean I haven't had a single clear answer to my question way back (question to everyone): How would you have played the game as vivax if your teammates are the worst players in the game? Probably just like I have described in my theory no?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 14:52 GMT
#2065
SL is just a bad player who lucked himself into the team because there are too many scummy players imo. Pretty much every PoE puts him into town
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 15:21 GMT
#2069
On February 15 2017 00:04 Superbia wrote:
In before scum did not realize two fails are needed to fail the next mission.


Mentioned that way before you
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 15:33 GMT
#2072
On February 15 2017 00:28 Superbia wrote:
Like I have no fucking idea what kind of comments you are leaving sharkie.

"mentioned that way before you" okay? It's not even a relevant point to begin with?


Indeed. So why make that comment?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 15:55 GMT
#2077
On February 15 2017 00:46 Superbia wrote:
If this succeeds I want the time I spent on this game today back.


me too
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 14 2017 16:18 GMT
#2082
I haven't lied in regards to this being my first resistance forum game
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 15 2017 05:24 GMT
#2180
##nominate: Superbia sicklucker Silverika Vivax RtaniSoul
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 15 2017 05:25 GMT
#2181
##nominate: Superbia sicklucker Silverika Vivax RtaniSoul
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18618 Posts
February 15 2017 08:47 GMT
#2183
On February 15 2017 17:28 RtaniSoul wrote:
As long as everyone acknowledges myself and silver are town and EC is scum the game is 100% over. If anyone needs convincing on any of those slots let me know.


Please explain LS's thought process. Apparently you know him
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