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Hmmmeh. Retracting that scumread a little.
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It kind of sucks that this mission is essentially wasted, information wise.
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Yeh I like you a lot EC. It's also the reason why I retracted my scum read on grack for now.
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On February 07 2017 23:55 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 20:44 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 20:30 emperorchampion wrote:On February 07 2017 19:48 Superbia wrote:
Welp I like grack as the mafia. Hmm I looked into grack but I'm not sure. Look at these posts: On February 05 2017 15:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok I might be slightly stupid, but I swear this mission is going to fail. This game is way too easy right now. And the spy isn't Vivax. It's one of Silver/sharkie. On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail.
Silverika is too indignant to be scum.
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!"
##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver.
Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team. I think we are (were) at similar points in this game. Another issue with grack as scum for me, is that when I look at sl's play it completely turned at mission 1. I'm thinking through if sl passes mission 1 for a town read on either sharkie/silver. If you look at all the reasons that he fails attempt 3 vs attempt 4: it's grack not on the team, leader not on the team, and not silver nominating VS silver on the team anyways, sharkie on the team, and leader still not on team. I don't see how town sl votes down my team by votes up vivax's team, so sl as scum conditions my read on grack as well. Also given this: On February 04 2017 01:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Right now I see the game in terms of 3 groups (listed in no particular order):
The definite town:
Grackaroni
Silverika
The townie feels
Artanisoul
Vivax
Sharkie
The people without townie feels
Emperorchampion
The one of these two is scum group
Tumblewood
Superbia
The definite scum
Sicklucker
I still think at least one of Super/Tumble will be red. Don't see grack/sl, putting his team mate at the bottom, don't think scum usually does that. Especially since I think that grack has pretty easy out for a town read on sl earlier. Pretty sure given the interactions silver/sl is not a team. Maybe I'm just mega tunneled but I'm also running out of places to look, I'm in an sl/sharkie world right now. I dunno, I don't have the same issue of grack/sl not being a team. SL has played an incredibly low-effort game and pretty much everyone and their mom has scumread him. It'd be difficult for Grack to get any mission in with SL on it so there's not much harm done by bussing him. Plus, if thread sentiment changes, he can change his position too anyway. I'm not sure where you're going with the mission 3/4 thing regarding SL. Could you explain that a bit further? On February 07 2017 20:38 Vivax wrote:
Can't be in a sharkie world without rtanisoul in it tbh.
If this fails I'm ride or die sharkie + rtanisoul I'm glad we got tunnelvivax back. Yeah that's true regarding grack / sl. I'll explain what I was thinking: Attempt 3 (team I proposed) the issues that sl was raising were: - the leader not on the team - no grack on the team - silver on the team (strong (est) scum read from super)Some things about attempt 4 (vivax's team): - leader not on team - silver on team - sharkie on team (also strong scum read from super) His whole point for yay voting vivax's team was that he didn't want silver's team to be auto-picked since it was his strongest scum read. That + I suppose grack is on the team now, his strongest town read. But I don't see the logic (maybe sl will help here) with voting a team with your strongest scum read versus let that person pick the team. Actually the had his two strongest scum reads at that time (as I recall). Like this team for him should be auto-fail, so I can't see why he would approve it. #justslthings  Scum motivation that I see is to pass a team with at least 1 scum on it knowing he's ostracized in any case if team mate decides to fail; and in the present case he can give an easy town read to any of the members on the team (i.e., silver or sharkie who he was previously scum reading) cause they are now part of a team that succeeded in passing a mission.
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On February 08 2017 00:29 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:06 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:58 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 sharkie wrote:On February 07 2017 23:54 Silverika wrote:On February 07 2017 23:49 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 07 2017 23:45 Silverika wrote:
in short (ika here):
sharkie voting no when the only person he suspects on this team is vivax makes no sense form a towns POV. a town!sharkie should of voted yes on this to confirm vivax as scum/town (becasue scum!vivax would be forced to sabbo this or next mission where as twon!viv with town!shrakie is auto win)
so basically if this mission is sabboed, sharkie is the spy who did it You people keep using this logic and it doesn't work because it presumes that people have 100% townreads on the other people in the mission AND it presumes that failing a mission to identify a spy is worth it. Even if he was 100% on both you and grack, look at it from his situation. If vivax is mafia, he learns that Vivax is mafia whilst the rest of the thread (given thread sentiment) all believe HE is the spy. He knows Vivax is mafia but it doesn't help him in the slightest because he cannot convince the rest of the game of it. A mission is failed and a townie is left out of any further consideration, a disastrous result. you start with false premises and you end with wrong conclusions. grack town read vivax and has a record of it and vice versa so FMPOV and many other IMO they would have to argue one of two cases a) both are scum b) one is fooling the other thats only in the scum!vivax world cus thats seems to be your angle What do you mean grack "has a record of it"? reading vivax right Please tell me you have more things to back you up except past games... Because that is the worst proof you can have for social deduction games... Also what is wifom? If you've been reading our posts, we don't think grack would of passed the mission as a spy because they could of blamed you for it easily. Vivax's play and behavior this game does not makes sense coming from scum which we've explained in detail and was the reason we sent him on the mission. The Vivax/Grack towread theory is very simple. Unless they are on the same team, their townread of each other is worth noting because they have a history of being able to read each other correctly. Is it the only reason we would use to townread either of them? Absolutely not. But it does play a small factor. ~SilverWolf77
They do? Where do you derive this from?
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On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
Explain votes on mission 4 in this world.
All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team?
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On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!"
Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch..
Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate.
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Man rtsoul is getting scumread over me.
What a great day. :D
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On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept.
Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5.
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On February 08 2017 00:48 Vivax wrote:
I'd even yolo approve a swika/emc/SL/TW team after the things I saw today.
Team 3/4 leprosy
That's a pretty shitty team.
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5. See bold. Jesus Superbia.
Like I have time to actually read posts lolol + Show Spoiler +
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5. See bold. Jesus Superbia.
They can just say they were voting for info man. =/ Like this is a big stretch.
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On February 08 2017 01:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
I can't help but townread Grack as there's no spy motivation for breaking the chain circlejerk vivax and sharkie had going on me and sharkie.
Guess that makes Vivax the spy then. Cool beans.
Then one between and EC has to be a spy.
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On February 08 2017 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 01:05 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 01:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
I can't help but townread Grack as there's no spy motivation for breaking the chain circlejerk vivax and sharkie had going on me and sharkie.
Guess that makes Vivax the spy then. Cool beans. Then one between and EC has to be a spy. Since I feel EC has generally been more appeasing and contributed more to the thread, it clearly means you're the townie. Also, why is one of you two spy if Vivax is?
Else you can't explain vote #4.
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On February 08 2017 01:22 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 01:07 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 01:06 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 08 2017 01:05 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 01:04 RtaniSoul wrote:
I can't help but townread Grack as there's no spy motivation for breaking the chain circlejerk vivax and sharkie had going on me and sharkie.
Guess that makes Vivax the spy then. Cool beans. Then one between and EC has to be a spy. Since I feel EC has generally been more appeasing and contributed more to the thread, it clearly means you're the townie. Also, why is one of you two spy if Vivax is? Else you can't explain vote #4. Hmm you're gonna need to put your logic down here. Think you end up assuming that silver is scum in this scenario? Unless we're getting into some really crazy ideas.
In my world one of the original three in the team are always scum.
A less likely alternative is that you are scum and two of your team mates fucked up, or felt like they -HAD- to go with the flow. In that world vivax is always mafia with you.
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I'm just laying down the LAW on anyone who DARES to step outside my world. :D
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On February 08 2017 02:37 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:29 emperorchampion wrote:
@ sharkie: who is scum for you right now? At the moment? You or TL/vivax/SL You got better in my standing but I still cannot shake that uneasy feeling from your team nomination... Also Super, welcome back to the game I guess?
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I am the harbinger of failure.
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