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Calix
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On January 11 2017 05:56 darthfoley wrote: What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^ I found it hard to read but when I actually look at the contents of the entire post, you're right. It's an awful lot of words for a defense which isn't needed and most of the defense is not even that good. I didn't find any of the points compelling is what I mean there. | ||
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On January 11 2017 06:01 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: What can you not understand, here I'll fucking BULLET IT FOR YOU : 1. reps squishy is SCUM 2. reps squishy said : I value quality not quantity 3. reps squishy questions ika's read on Silverwolf77, ika says SW is town. 4. ika says did you read my arguments 5. reps says ' yes, but i'll have to re-read them' 6. why does reps have to re-read them when his earlier stated philosophy is : ' quality over quantity' 7. why is he not on top of ika, questioning his arguments 8. why does he not say why he changed his opinion on ika's read whne he questioned him earlier Yes and my concerns from before hold as Points 3-4-7 do not show a scum mindset and half of your points repeat themselves instead of showing a clear thought process. Points 5-6 are illogical. Someone saying that they want to reread a thing has nothing to do with 'quality over quanity' and rereading is NAI. Thus your overall argument does not hold water. I am not going to ask you to continue explaining yourself here as your case is bad and I'd rather have you do something else. If you have nothing, can you summarise your reads on SW AND ika please? No cases, just a few sentences will do here. | ||
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On January 11 2017 06:12 SilverWolf77 wrote: Why do you think the defense isn't needed? If you feel this way, why didn't you ask me about it or comment on it until darthfoley brought it up? I've never seen you have trouble reading posts or understanding them before. This seems really odd for you. Not so much the actual having a defense as it is the timing and level of effort put into it as the case was poor and BTDT has not flipped yet so you don't know whether you wasted time on responding in that much depth (if he's mafia and you're town) when you could have acknowledged it in a few sentences. I didn't pay it much attention because I was focusing on the more questionable players who were posting. It's not odd for me to have trouble comprehending multitudes of bad arguments and I'm having a hard time having it all sink in. I'll have to reread them later when I'm not in the fray. | ||
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On January 11 2017 06:24 SilverWolf77 wrote: Fair enough. I do like the way you are questioning ME on his case on ika. It's really bad and I think he's struggling to make it make sense or be logical. I'm gonna pop off for a bit as I actually do have a headache so if you have time now then check my filter so I can read it when I get back. | ||
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On January 11 2017 06:43 SilverWolf77 wrote: One thing I do want to say is Calix and darth reactions to my defense bug me somewhat. Not that they don't have a right to think its bad but more the timing of it all and the fact they basically say the same thing about it. I don't really think these two have any suspicion of each other right now and it seems they are working together. I know Calix likes to work with her townreads as town but I don't know how darth plays. It bothers me a little bit that he might be trying to get Calix into his corner on things. That's why I asked him for his read on her. I just want to throw this out there for now. It not a huge issue. I think a much bigger issue is ME's inability to case a scumread. I don't see how having the same thought about something is bad, that mind-melding is more townie imo. Also wouldn't I be the one more likely to be pocketing DF in your scenario because I said my thoughts after DF asked me for it? It's not impossible that he is getting on my good side on purpose but I think if he is scum then he would be trying harder to show people that he town-reads me and I don't recall him doing that. I didn't say this earlier but meta's also influencing my read on him because I've read his scum game on-record a while ago and I think he is well different and more like his town games that I've read (Touhou and Gif Mafia being the two examples I use). As said, he was more showy about his town-reads when he was scum and had a harder time posting. He is more free-flowing here. I'm gonna start being busier in a few days because of uni and workload so I'll probably filter DF/ SW/ ika during N2 while I have enough time to look through 20 or so pages of filter. | ||
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On January 11 2017 07:08 Onegu wrote: is btdt dead yet? That cannot seriously be all you have to say after everything that went down. | ||
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On January 11 2017 07:38 SilverWolf77 wrote: Calix: Just gonna flesh out the major points. I don't think her saying her low activity play is 10 times better than most people's play as something she'd do as scum. IIRC, she's far more passive as scum than town. Her last town game was very aggressive. I like how she's immediately jumping into the game pointing out scummy things. She's making a lot of observations on things that stick out to her and I find myself agreeing with most of them. She always comments on the major things going on and isn't afraid to question people with direct points. Town points here. This post bugs me a bit because it's very passive of her. Like, instead of pushing her point home, she just backs off: I don't want to sound too full of my self but she does have a soft defense of ika and myself as town or not scum indicative on the things others are pointing out. I think if she was scum she'd want at least one of us gone by either mislynch or kill and she's doing nothing to make that happen. If anything, she's stopping any kind of lynch. She's got 9 pages of filter and most of it is really trying to drive the game forward and except that one post and her being a little too agreeable with darth, I'd say she's solid town. I did back off because I could see Vivax was getting annoyed, I didn't think that line of conversation would get more productive and I wanted to sleep so I cut short the conversation to see what he would do using his own initiative. Also in terms of the reads you two are getting, I think some of them are justified if you look at it from the POV of someone who has not played with you two. I don't think they're accurate but when you guys say that everything you two do is very townie or whatever then it will look weird to others. | ||
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On January 11 2017 07:48 ika42 wrote: im still kinda reading up but if anything i read her town off that becasue she is defensive by nature. scum or not you should refute the case unless they are 100% mafia confirmed. I think this is a good example of what I said earlier because ika's basically saying here "SW is town because she is naturally defensive" which does not make sense because a personality-indicative trait cannot be AI by default. | ||
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On January 11 2017 08:40 SilverWolf77 wrote: I really love how both the votes on me are on my scumreads and one of them was scumreading two other people and never mentioned me and both of them were in the voting thread and not mentioned here. +1 Yeah, I was wondering what ME's read on you was because I do not recall him giving one (was why I asked earlier) so I really don't like his "ninja vote" on you. | ||
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On January 11 2017 09:17 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote: What ninja vote ? I didn't want to vote Grack and I voted Grack, I am not repeating my mistake. I vote for somebody who's high on my scum list. I am not going to give all of my scum reads. When I give one, people interact and give me more information. And the ninja-vote thing was brought up by Onegu who said people will look at it as a ninja vote and then go on you, and here we have someone do exactly that. "People" will call a spade a spade? Shocking. Uh, you voted for someone off the BTDT wagon without explaining why you scum-read that person at all which contradicts your "not giving away scum-reads" idea (even though there's no actual purpose to hiding reads in a normal save). Explain pls. | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:19 Damdred wrote: Hi calix, what do you think of squishy just as a knee jerk? or what I posted about him etc? (i've sort of missed you btw) Thanks, I didn't totally hate playing with you in the past either <3 I don't agree with most of your squishy reasons because they could be explained by him being new/ not knowing how people play here. Using strange logic is NAI, questioning why someone votes for a scum-read is NAI and I don't think his Onegu read by itself means a lot. Your point about him following thread sentiment is something I think holds true but you buried that among a lot of fluff points. I would like to hear your ME bad-town reason because he's one of my stronger scum-reads atm. His posts don't have a clear thought process and he admits to wanting to hide information with his vote which I don't see town motive for at all and nobody has given one. Can you explain your jump from Onegu maybe scum to Onegu prolly town? I don't have strong feelings on him - he just pops in, fires out some posts and then fucks off again and none of those posts have strong town or scum motivations imo. | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote: Whops well she ^_- what do you think of silver? lmao How did you not figure out the answer from SW's filter? | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:33 Damdred wrote: Yeah its a bit fluffy tbh, his grack vote though is bad vivax saw it first so i wont' claim the idea. I think hes a decent scum lean though. As for ME its so horrible, he asked the host in thread if people who die do the thread know who killed them etc. Its horrible reasoning but if he was scum he would just ask in his qt instead of hte thread more than likely or his scum coach would tel him. Totally horrible reasoning though, besides that he has a few scum signals though I remembered something about onegu, the more useful onegu is early in the game the more likely he is scum really. Its difficult to pinpoint his alignment though later in the game hes easier to read if you can get him to put work in. But its more a gut feeling with how hes approaching the game and not really caring. His EOD was questionable for sure with the Boston/ Grack thing. Yeah you're right, that is horrible, but that is something I briefly considered when I saw that post before thinking about it. I was hoping for something a little more substantial but it's a bit reassuring that even someone who's played with him before is saying he's hard to read. | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:39 Damdred wrote: I always call everyone he/him i still call gb a she hehe I meant the answer to "what do you think of SW?" since the way SW/ ika read each other is the most explained thing in the chat, lol. | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:42 reps)squishy wrote: I felt like Grack did not want to progress the thread, to me that is a tall tale sign of being scummy. I ask people why they have scum leads on people when they do not explain why they have those leads; "I think reps) is scummy) does not cut it. You are right that my read on Kel was flimsy, but I never tried pushing it. Yes, I pointed out 1gu's activity which I don't think is AI. That is correct. If someone is going to have low activity, I would like them to have quality>quantity. But, I feel onegu has poor activity and quality of posts. Yes, there was a policy lynch going on, does not mean we need to waste 72hrs and not find another read. Would it not make sense to try pushing your KSC read to see if you could find something more substantial? You keep repeating the quality > quantity mantra and it's starting to ping me since you say that more than you actually do that. If you think that doing nothing (especially during D2) is suspicious then did anyone else strike you as trying to 'skate by' or what? | ||
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On January 12 2017 02:43 Damdred wrote: oh well I forgot and just haven't read Ika yet tbh It's weird that of all the things you asked ika about it's SW since that's something that everyone knows and ika has talked about a lot and SW is a town-read to you. Your priorities are whack there is what I am saying. I'm not sure how you're catching up or if you're just filter-diving but if you're reading the thread chronologically then I don't see how that slipped you by. | ||
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