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SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 15:55 GMT
#439
As it is, I still scumread Vivax for reasons I've given.

Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika.

I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves.

SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 17:38 GMT
#452
On January 08 2017 01:29 Kmatt wrote:
SW, if you seem to think the team is Grack/Vivax/Boston, do you see any connections, other than that Grack wants us to think Vivax is town?


I have scumreads on all of them independent of each other. If one of them were to flip scum, then I'd look at associations.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 17:41 GMT
#453
On January 08 2017 02:14 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 00:55 SilverWolf77 wrote:
As it is, I still scumread Vivax for reasons I've given.

Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika.

I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves.



is it newb town or newb scum overall? Im looking more at the excuses


It looks more like newbscum because he isn't getting involved in any of the discussion and making excuses not to play. He's very nervous as well and awkward. After questioning of his vote, he decides to give a different answer to make it look better.

Again, I look at motivation and I don't see the town motivation in any of this.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 17:56 GMT
#455
I'm dismayed that so few people are actually here and playing or that people are here and then they leave for extended periods of time. It makes the game very difficult to play. Can everyone else who hasn't, give their top three scumreads or who they would be o.k. lynching today?
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 20:26 GMT
#608
@Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing?
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 20:35 GMT
#628
On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:
##unvote
##vote: B0stonSC


This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 20:41 GMT
#645
On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote:
reps, has your read on Grack changed at all? If not, what makes Boston scummier?

My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax.

B0- No objective posts.
Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads.
Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves.


Why is someone with no posts more likely to be scum than someone who is derailing conversations where people are trying to get reads?

I dislike this sudden attention to B0stonSC. I was scumreading him too but it's a weak player and an easy push to get the vote off of the stronger players who are acting scummy as well. I can totally see mafia coming in at the end of the day and trying to push the lynch like this.



SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 20:43 GMT
#648
On January 08 2017 05:41 reps)squishy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 05:35 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 08 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:
##unvote
##vote: B0stonSC


This gives me a real uneasy feeling that you are trying to swing the lynch off Grackaroni.

He still feels scummy to me. If a good argument comes out against him, I will vote to lynch him again.


Why are you waiting for others to give the reason for you to switch your vote instead of coming up with your own?


SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 20:44 GMT
#654
I voted for Grackaroni in the vote thread-this is just an FYI post to let everyone know where my vote is. If you'd prefer I vote here as well going forward, I can do that. Not sure how everyone does this.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 21:26 GMT
#719
OK, so this is basically a 1v1 between Grack and btdt. If Grack flips scum, then we know he lied to out the doc. If he flips doc, btdt will be lynched tomorrow as scum trying to get the doc lynched.

I honestly think the btdt cc is a worse play for scum than Grack's claim and a terrible play for town if he's not even scumreading Grack. So at this point, I'm more inclined to keep my vote on Grack because I was scumreading him anyway.

SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 21:58 GMT
#765
Anyway, I'm pretty much in line with what Calix and ika are saying.

I'm gonna lynch the one who was cc'd today.

If he flips scum, which I believe, then good.

If he flips doc, then I will votepark btdt until he's lynched-if he flips scum, which I doubt, then good.

If btdt flips VT-then he played directly against town wincon by lynching a person he wasn't even scumreading and getting the doc killed. It's only slightly less than overt gamethrowing and it will piss me off.

I played in a game once where town cc'd me as a claimed cop because he thought I was converted by a cult. I was so pissed I replaced out of the game.

I play for fun but I also want to win. Someone messing with that is gonna make me angry.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 07 2017 22:59 GMT
#811
On January 08 2017 07:35 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:53 Calix wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:37 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Checking In.

On January 06 2017 09:25 ika42 wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
On January 06 2017 09:00 Onegu wrote:
VT claim


Could you not


lets act like ive never played mafia for a min: why? and i dont want to hear the "oh it narrows PR" crap (yes this is a vaild reason but anyone will argue this). Yes it is sub optimal in general but why are you opposed to it?

also obligatory vote silverwolf

now onto something i want everyone to answer

are you town?
how long have you played mafia?
do you play elsewhere and if so where?
What is your typical play style?
how do you scumhunt/townhunt?
do you know anyone here that you can read very well?

to answer my own:
yes
about 4-5 years now on and off now
my typical style is to kinda talk to people and interact with others to try to get reads. most times it helps to have someone i know so i can quickly bounce with someone if they are town or lynch them if they are scum (hi silver)
kinda said as above, but to summarize it i hunt though interactions most of the time
yes, i can read silverwolf very well though watching and having interactions.


1. no
2. back in the day
3. no
4. ?
5. ?
6. nope

obligatory qeustion : why the vote ?




I'm flagging up this post because I think it's a possible example of an inexperienced scum player struggling to enter the thread. I didn't even notice this dude had posted.

- Using an easy way of entering the thread (via questionnaire thing) to make a post which doesn't tell us anything
- Adds a completely useless question about the vote (the 'obligatory' part pings me here)
- Does nothing afterwards

I'd say the opposite of this. I think if he was a nervous, inexperienced scum player he would put more effort into trying to make his first post look good.


So now that you are getting lynched, you changed your vote to me. Beats me.
I hate how spammy this game is especially with Calix and BTDT posting literally single-line posts for 3 pages, its better to not talk than to just spew absolute BS which is what has been happening all game. Also with B0stonSC bandwagon-ing onto someone's scum-read of me, when all I have done is posted thrice.
Also I don't understand why that questionnaire is being used as a way to scum-read me. Everyone who is/isn't town is obviously going to 'Yes' on the town thing. And i absolutely didn't know what to say on the rest of the questions. I am holding my vote until the deadline.


Who do you think is scum right now?
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 03:50 GMT
#852
On January 08 2017 09:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
I didn't believe that claim as I thought it's absolutely dumb to make as town. So I counterclaimed, hoping that it was panicked mafia as he'd been lynched anyways N1.

I'm not the doctor obviously. Good night.


This is bad play regardless of alignment but if you are town it's horrendous. You weren't even scumreading Grack. Like WTF? You don't ever, ever, ever cc a PR if you are town unless you feel very sure they are scum or lying or both. Even if you are scum, this play sucks because you could just shoot the doc overnight and save yourself from a near certain lynch d2.

Just bad all the way around. Absolutely terrible.

I just had to get this off my chest. I plan on lynching you d2 so have fun with that.

SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 04:04 GMT
#858
On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:
On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt


The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what.

Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him.


I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again"

I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read

/end rant


You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies.
But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them.
Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer.
But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:
On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?

On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
[quote]

I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off


This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.

Fend yourself, Foley.


Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.

His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.



Why not 1gu then?


I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol


But you have seen ikas meta yes?


how come you are acting like i am town?


How does that question have anything to do with your alignment?

On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
[quote]

I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol


But you have seen ikas meta yes?


No, I don't know the guy


Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up.


She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.

It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.


It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read.

So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage.

So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there.

Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too.

Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia?
Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful.

That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful.
Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play.


Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking!

Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point.

Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm?


Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment.

So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier.


i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask.


Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that.
Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.


I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 04:17 GMT
#863
On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:
On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt


The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what.

Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him.


I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again"

I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read

/end rant


You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies.
But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them.
Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer.
But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported.

On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:
On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
[quote]

Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.

His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.



Why not 1gu then?


I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol


But you have seen ikas meta yes?


how come you are acting like i am town?


How does that question have anything to do with your alignment?

On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:
On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
[quote]

No, I don't know the guy


Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up.


She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.

It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.


It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read.

So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage.

So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there.

Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too.

Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia?
Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful.

That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful.
Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play.


Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking!

Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point.

Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm?


Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment.

So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier.


i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask.


Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that.
Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.


I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem.


Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?


I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post.

You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 16:54 GMT
#889
On January 08 2017 14:38 Vivax wrote:

Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject.

Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.

[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did.[/QUOTE]

As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.[/QUOTE]

I left my quote you were referring to when you said I backed off and I'd like to see the one you are referring to before that, that shows I was being aggressive. You don't have to pull a bunch of quotes. Just one.

I made several posts and not just the above one explaining my suspicion of your behavior. It's better to explain it than to just point fingers so I did. I was tired like I said and I'm not gonna go full steam "your're scum, die" because that puts you on edge and accomplishes nothing. What I like to see from people when I accuse them of something, is an explanation for their behavior. It's how I read people. I also like to see how they are reading others and if their reads follow a clear though process and even though you are undecided on me, I'd still like to see what you are thinking here.

I don't know what to think of your reaction to Grack's lynch. On the one hand, I felt it could come from scum who knew Grack was town but you didn't use it to try to cast shade on others for future mislynches which is what I'd expect scum to do. The suspicion on Grack was perfectly valid so for you to be so certain he was town threw me. However, your reaction seemed to be genuinely upset about it and that's more town. So clearly I'm confused about your alignment based on your play to this point and I'm gonna have to put you back at null until I figure it out.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 16:59 GMT
#890
Well, those quotes got messed up. No more cutting anything out for me. I'm just quoting whole posts from now on.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 17:23 GMT
#892
On January 08 2017 17:59 reps)squishy wrote:
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On January 08 2017 06:43 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game?


Squishyyyyyyyy

Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes.


You are dodging the main issue:

1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else.
2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika.


1) You reserve the right to call someone scum for a read someone makes; it is actually important. Recognize the time that it comes does influence the direction it will go.

Scenario 1- Player A makes argument/claim vs player B, player B defends himself against player A, then player C critics either A's argument/claim or comes to B's defense.

Scenario 2- Player A makes argument vs player B, Player C critiques player A's argument/claim or defends player B before player B defends him/herself.

2) You are correct! But it prevents progress, a clear goal of the mafia.

So I feel that you are guilty of Scenario 2. And why I do not like Scenario two is because any accusation could look absurd or "forced" if you do not hear a player's defense of him/herself. Critiquing someone's argument or claim prematurely prevents reads from unraveling whether it is a town or scum read.

Here is the suspicious post in my opinion. Below the quote I will put the post into scenario format for clarity purposes.

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On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:
On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?

On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.

DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far?


I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off


This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.

Fend yourself, Foley.


Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game?


Key: Player A: DF, Player B: Ika Player C:Vivax

When questioned by Calix
Player A (DF) Makes argument against Player B (Ika)
Before Player B (ika) Defends himself against player A (DF), Player C (Vivax) Critiques Player A's suspicions.
And as a result Ika never responded to DF.

I will reiterate my self. Vivax's premature defense of Ika prevented a potential read from being uncovered.

So that is why I think Vivax's defense of other players is scummy.



I was suspicious of Squishy for going with the flow so much and being wishy washy but this post I actually like. It explains why I was suspicious of this as well and I like when someone is thinking similarly to me and follows an easy to read though process. So I'm gonna lean town on Squishy.

B0ston and ME are scumleans because of their behavior in the thread. Making excuses, complaining about the gamestate, not getting involved in any of the conversation, nervousness. They both seem to be hating the game and playing very under the radar.

I really need Kelsier to come back. The absence from the thread is troubling.

What I like about kmatt is the fact that he wasn't willing to accept the townslip ika was calling him town for. If he was scum who knew the setup and faked that, he'd accept it right away. Instead he pushed back against it and argued against it. This leans more town for me.

SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 17:29 GMT
#896
On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ?


We are not allowed to edit posts here.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 17:36 GMT
#899
On January 09 2017 02:29 darthfoley wrote:
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On January 09 2017 02:27 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Can Silverwolf77 figure out how quotes work and edit her posts ?


You can't edit your posts.

But yea please preview your posts before you have badly formatted quotes please


I already said I'm not gonna quote snip anymore but if there is a better way people want me to do it, I'm happy to go along with that. Otherwise I'll just copy the whole thing or use spoilers if needed.
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