Continuing on. I'm going to start from the point where scumbleweed starts his "townie with omgusitis" act.
#164
On December 09 2016 00:32 Tumblewood wrote:
I have explained my ExO townread and it's a fucking good reason that you all should sleep me for.
This is before where I point out why his townread logic is incorrect.
On December 09 2016 00:32 Tumblewood wrote:
if one more punk decides to vote me scum can and will hammer without warning. we are in MyLo, aka lose the game if you're wrong mode. are you really so confident in yourself because you wrote more words than me that you would risk this. for the love of god, don't be stupid
Tumblewood's strategy is to try to fake the classic cornered omgus townie.
But in #167 I point out he's not quite reacting correctly. To elaborate:
"if one more punk": town!cake + town!onepunk + 2 scum.
He towns ExO and NU, both of which have already shown hesitation and said they won't vote.
Sidetracking for a bit:
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#161 ExO preaches caution and hardsells nolynch.
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#163 NU offered reads and is not confident enough to vote because he has too many scumreads and hasn't been able to narrow down.
Pay attention to the difference here.
Anyway, NU is declared away (school), ExO also left although it wasn't declared to us.
TW obviously won't vote himself. So there is no quorum.
#170
Sheeping NU, OMGUS onto Ray.
#174
On December 09 2016 01:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and for the record I have not been useless this game.
Nope.
I have figured out (probably) both the scum out of three people,
By OMGUS and hardly any solidly reasoned case
defended myself against accusations,
Poorly. Also, this is NAI, both alignments will defend themselves
and been the source of hmalf the game's posts.
but hardly close to half the content
really not sure how town could do any more on a day one where we aren't lynching.
confident that no lynch will happen, yet overreacting in #164 (discussed above) <-- this is a disconnect.
#175
On December 09 2016 01:40 Tumblewood wrote:
how do I convince people I'm right in a town where no one plays like me or has played with me (except NU, once)
Pseudo-noobiecard
#185On December 09 2016 02:45 Tumblewood wrote:
hm I'm trying to get out of the town tunnel mindset on NU so I'm trying to make a scum case on him but I actually have no dirt. is anyone scumreading him? I want some perspective here.
#196On December 09 2016 03:55 Tumblewood wrote:
yeah looking at the scum filter + having heard his history on that other site, there's no way NU is this convincing as scum
Useless and fake. I'll sheep Ray here:+ Show Spoiler +On December 09 2016 05:43 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it
+ Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched
and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective
You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument.
Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all.
I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious.
and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument..
I don't buy this at all. You argued how NU acted could be either town or mafia, and it's subjective. But the way you are acting now, and have been throughout the game, you already have your mind made up that he's town.
#204
On December 09 2016 04:24 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote:On December 09 2016 02:48 cakepie wrote:
he "largely agrees" with my TW case [...] There's zero progression / information for how he got there.
Hm, maybe not completely zero, but there is this bit:
On December 08 2016 15:27 ExO_ wrote:
I don't think cakepie is being an asshat. and I find the tone of your posts here to be odd. Saying they could go either way, instead of saying I'm town and you're clearly wrong I think says a lot about the position you are speaking from.
But still there is very little:
#98 TW looks Town. <-- no elaboration!
#107 "Why are you making me scumread TW?" <-- couched read?!
#153 cakepie isn't an asshat and TW's tone is off
#161 "largely agrees" with my TW case <-- no elaboration!
I can get behind him not elaborating but there's definitely a progression there — I don't know what else you'd call what you outlined. his change of opinion gives me no trouble.
Buddy defense. TW sees ExO going from town -> hesistant scum read -> ?scummy? -> yes, scum! progression.
Later on ExO contradicts:On December 09 2016 19:21 ExO_ wrote:
I'll admit I've been back and forth on him all game
If ExO had been swinging TW to and from between town and scum, it is definitely not reflected in the progression.
#206
This might look like he's defending NU, but he's also defending himself by proxy because Ray's distancing read is a NU+TW associative scumread.
Will conveniently also help in his quest to pocket NU.
#210
"mistakes are often innocent and seldom scumtells"
No, mistakes need to be evaluated.
NIGHTPOST
#240Continues to townread NU (pocket) and ExO (scumbuddy)
Time for scumbleweed to post cases and establish towncred!
On December 09 2016 09:22 Tumblewood wrote:
I plan on writing posts like this for each player still alive besides myself, going in order the filters are listed. This isn't necessarily an indictment but an analysis of each player and a reasoned guess to their alignment, trying to start from square one and not cloud my judgement with previous bias. I will not go through every post, but I will use quotes liberally.
I will not omgus. I will not omgus. I will not omgus. I will not...
On December 09 2016 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
I fear that already my mindset of avoiding bias is slipping.
Oh no, my omgusitis!
On December 09 2016 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
although he stops short of accepting things as mistakes.
Again playing down mistakes rather than seeing that we should evaluate if they are scumslips.
obviously the mistake wasn't even intentional? Cakepie overall spends several posts selling my mistakes,, contained in obviously low-effort posts (as in, spending little time typing them, not thinking about them) as intentional. Keen to assume mistakes as intentional is always scummy; town isn't looking to paint others as scum without being totally convinced themselves... and also having decent reasons.
And again with the mistakes.
Funny how I'm the one guy on the wrong side of the world who gets to take my time reading, thinking, and drafting... and he calls it low-effort? WTF? This contradicts himself only a few lines ago + Show Spoiler +On December 09 2016 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
I have to give him some credit, at least, for working his ass off for town. He's put an unlikely amount of effort into this game for someone just faking it.
Accuses me of not having reasons. Hah.
Chairman Ray posts with similarly poor logic, and cakepie responds [...] in the normal manner of explaining why it's wrong. He makes no attempt to show why Ray is scum, even though his mistake was no less 'egregious' than mine.
Somehow TW equates his and ExO's "mistakes" on the same level as Ray's "poor logic". Fails to see the difference between hunting for scumslips vs correcting bad reasoning.
Although he accuses me of trying to mislead NU rather than himself, cakepie plays to NU even more [...] by rhetorically asking if I was buddying NU all along. Consider also that he had expressed skepticism when Ray proposed that we were buddying.
completely fails at reading. I argued that TW tried to pocket NU but not the other way around.
In his case against me, scumbleweed is faking effort with fake cases using completely shit reasoning.
On December 09 2016 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
Scum. Yeah, I don't like to speak in absolutes, but I fail to find any explanation for how cakepie is town. He reacts in different ways to the same tells from different players and above all speaks to why I am scum with evidence that should lead no reasonable person to his conclusions. Trying to find the townie in him, I felt like I was grasping for anything to explain it. If not scum then cakepie is one of the most misled townies I have ever seen, even ahead of Rels that one time.
"I really don't want to omgus but I have to omgus. town?cakepie shitty shitty town!"
Only one other player agrees I might be shitty town. 
On December 09 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
This is all I will be able to manage tonight without killing myself. I should have gotten to Ray before, mostly to sort out my own thoughts on him.
I'll just cop out of this altogher and avoid having to OMGUS on Ray.
The case on ExO_
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The case for
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mistakes
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Ah, there it is again!
*bias creeping in help*
Oh shit, I'm townreading him for defending me! Oh no, my reverse-omgusitis!
Town. ExO has provided good analysis consistently and has hardly done anything to give me suspicion. One thing to watch out for, though, is a dropoff after D1 if it seems like he can coast through the game.
Towning his scumbuddy.
Good analysis, hahahaha! Only when fending off Ray's TW+NU case!
"watch out for ... dropoff after D1" pointless point. D2 lylo, anyone seeming inactive is going to get shit.
Why does TW make such a big deal of playing up the OMGUS? To the point that he's giving cheesy commentary when he does it? It's very contrived.
Compare: 2015 shitty VT cakepie on track for D1 mislynch + Show Spoiler +On April 21 2015 04:31 cakepie wrote:
Why not go scrutinize people who seem perfectly happy to stay inactive? Not to OMGUS, but it's starting to get kind of fishy how the case on me is almost lazy easy policy tunnel.
On April 21 2015 09:59 cakepie wrote:
OWS didn't seem terribly invested in the game early on, and he certainly tunnelled me hard. Not without cause, but certainly could have done more to pressure elsewhere. I've been trying really hard to resist OMGUS onto OWS
Basically, scumplan is to make a big show of omgustown!TW. And this is where TW leaves the thread and ExO enters...
#251
This is ExO posting in (fake?) stream-of-consciousness because in #186 I posit that it's one way I can see some of his behavior as town.
Stream of consciousness posting can be used in "quick catch up" mode after being away, like in this case. But it comes across as most authentic when it's someone who is engaged in current discussion and posting responses with low latency.
Just a gut feel. But I do think it'd be hilarious if it turns does out that scum!ExO was forced to act this way in response to my case.
On December 09 2016 14:11 ExO_ wrote:
#164 TW hard town reading me --> Scum trying to buddy me because I'm town. Other players I think are town think I might be scum because I wanted cop to reveal (because I thought we had to lynch today). However they think I might be scum faking it. TW isn't even considering this possibilty. #164
Distancing.
#170 TW looks better with this post at least. Hes at least trying to get people to talk
defending buddy
#173 Don't like hopeless1der's post here.
low hanging fruit
#180 NU trying to redirect Cakepie onto TW. Could see motive for this from both scum and town persepectives
fluffy null
#182 In answer to NU's question here I didn't think TW was trying to buddy him. He did. I don't know what else he wants me to explain
uh, reasoning? Three players see it as buddying, so you might want to explain?
#185 this is gonna sound weird, but TW saying he's trying to make a scum case on NU instead of his town read makes no sense to me and sounds like the thing a scum player would do....which is why I think it makes him look more town. Under suspicion I don't think a scum player would just blantantly say things like this.
"too scummy to be scum" card.
When I've skimmed the thread I haven't liked TW, but the more I read in depth the more I question the idea of him being scum.
was never apparent until now. There was very little visible progression of ExO reading TW previously.
#186 Cakepie trying to say I'm not forthcoming with information, when she literally wouldn't say information earlier saying "she didn't wanna give information to scum" Fuck that, its completely ridiculous. Misconstrues me considering the possibility that maybe I'm scum reading TW too hard b/c I'm trusting cakepie, into somehow I'm trying to blame her for something? tbh this whole post just annoys the shit out of me.
Because scum!Exo can't tell the difference.
#203 Chairman Ray literally saying he's only been pushing TW and NU. He's literally admitting to not considering or caring about anything else just pushing TW and NU
buddyomgus
#205 CakepieCalix should go read my dota mafia posts, and should look at the last game we played. When I'm town I usually just post whatever comes to mind. I don't sit and craft careful posts. When I'm scum I'm much more careful about what I post. You getting my stream of consciousness and seeing me move around on my reads is because I'm trying to sift through the information and am doubting myself as I go. Do you honestly think I'm faking this as scum? I have trouble believing that you do
NSM24 (touhou2) was ExO not even understanding why he got mislynched D1. Dota2 ExO played civ6. =Þ
#215 hmmmmm. I don't like what H1D is saying here. But if he's scum, why not go ahead and vote? I want to say that he's scum not wanting to be the 3rd vote, but it would no longer matter if he's the 3rd vote if town dies today anyway. Ugh. I don't like anything H1d is saying and I think it's affecting my perception of him
inability to see town motivation because ExO is scum.
#217 Alright if H1D was scum and TW was town he would jump on the vote here....upon closer look it seems like CR was only the 2nd vote here...so working this out and seeing that H1D did later join this wagon (I'm assuming it was indeed at 3 votes) that if TW is town then either both scum were voting here, or TW is indeed scum.
planted mistake
#228 TW is trying really hard in this thread against a lot of people. It's really making me feel like he's town, but if he was he should probably be dead, or we have some combination of cakepie/H1D/CR as scum.
defend the omgustown!scumbuddy! omgus all the voters! fail to see town motivations of voters.
#231-233. Okay my assumptions were wrong yet again. wtf just happened here. H1D hops on after CR/Cakepie unvoted?
See how he doesn't just go back and edit the part about #217?
217 is a planted mistake and this post is a fake stream of consciousness.
Haven't read TW's case's yet, but I think he's trying far too hard to be scum.
yeah, look at that fucking effort! TW totes town!
CR is super concerned with tunneling TW/NU. He cares more about sticking to those 2 reads than considering anything else. He started off kinda weak on them, and has considered nothing since then. CR is scum.
OMGUS for good measure.
#256 #257
TW attacks into cake and H1
ExO attacks into Ray and FoS NU for good measure, since TW pocket NU.
On December 09 2016 19:21 ExO_ wrote:
I don't think I can agree TW is mafia. I'll admit I've been back and forth on him all game
Where is the back and forth? Not evident in thread. No progression.
#259
Being scum, ExO is completely incapable of finding town motivations for the voters.
#262Yup, ExO's assigned to Ray and NU.
#264
On December 09 2016 19:52 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 14:11 ExO_ wrote:
#186 Cakepie trying to say I'm not forthcoming with information, when she literally wouldn't say information earlier saying "she didn't wanna give information to scum" Fuck that, its completely ridiculous.
I'm witholding information that is useful to scum.
I'm asking you for information that is not useful to scum.
Difference!
Let's say I accept you've been operating on stream-of-consciousness mode. Fine. The problem I'm having with that is that while you go down the list of posts and toss out whatever comes to mind, you're not stopping to elaborate, and you've also missed questions that were embedded in posts. I don't know if you missed them if you're just focused on posting your brief impressions, or if you're deliberately dodging or ignoring.
That's what rubs me the wrong way.
Or maybe there is actually stream of consciousness in some places, but scum!ExO subconsciously skips the questions that are difficult for scum and plucks only at the low hanging fruit.
#265
On December 09 2016 20:00 ExO_ wrote:
#98: I don't remember. It's what I thought skimming the thread at the time. I don't see why you are so concerned with that particular read considering all of the new information and posts we've had since then. I got a town impression of him, not based off some super analysis but based purely off how I felt at the time.
This answer would be much better without the "I don't remember." part.
#107 You are misconstruing what happened here. If I recall correctly in touhou mafia (assuming I haven't confused you with someone else) I thought you played well and your opening here reminded me of it. So when you started posting a scum case on TW, I looked at it and started to think that yeah TW looks scummy. But I was worried that my impression of your gameplay in touhou mafia was affecting my ability to assess if TW was scummy on my own.
Thanks Calix!
#161 I didn't have any major points I disagreed with. Mainly, my impression of TW was scummy and I wanted to say I agreed that he was scummy. I wasn't putting much effort in the game because I was tired after getting home from work.
admits lazy sheep. also, that lazy sheep where he "largely agreed" with my case, but now no major points disagreed with. Hmm. How about minor points? I guess not.
Why would you push so hard for a lynch on mylo, instead of waiting one more day? Its inherently anti-town, and incredibly high risk
Scum!ExO fails to process cakepie's intent yet again!
Why would the reasons I disagreed with your case on TW be super important? I find it odd that you'd care more about the reasons for disagreeing with you than the reasons why I would think TW is scum.
Fails to understand that I take issue with the lazy sheep and lack of progression. Fails to understand that I'm looking at why he quickly goes to no-lynch mode. Recall my comparison of his nolynch vs NU's nolynch.
#266Pls TW is such effort!omgus!cornered!town!
#268
On December 09 2016 20:06 ExO_ wrote:
What information could you be withholding that is useful to scum? What kind of information could that possibly be? Everything I can think of would be better discussed in town, except if you are the cop. And this should be obvious but the only reason cops information shouldn't be public yet is because we want to get another night of information in before we have to lynch.
Scum!ExO wouldn't understand.
EPT
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