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On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all.
I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious.
and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument..
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On December 09 2016 05:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Also to spell it out for you, a read cannot be simultaneously "not an argument" and "subjective". Those are mutually exclusive traits of an argument.
I was using those words talking about two different parts of the quote, aka the first part is not an argument and the second is subjective, if you were fucking reading it
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On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all. I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious. and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument..
I don't buy this at all. You argued how NU acted could be either town or mafia, and it's subjective. But the way you are acting now, and have been throughout the game, you already have your mind made up that he's town.
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On December 09 2016 05:28 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Also to spell it out for you, a read cannot be simultaneously "not an argument" and "subjective". Those are mutually exclusive traits of an argument. I was using those words talking about two different parts of the quote, aka the first part is not an argument and the second is subjective, if you were fucking reading it
And yet you still have not given ONE of the binary answers I've prescribed.
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On December 09 2016 05:43 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all. I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious. and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument.. I don't buy this at all. You argued how NU acted could be either town or mafia, and it's subjective. But the way you are acting now, and have been throughout the game, you already have your mind made up that he's town.
I wanted perspective because I was worried I was accepting him as town too easily, and looking through his scum game affirmed that there's no way he could pull this off as scum.
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On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all. I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious. and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument..
Ok I'm trying to think about this from your perspective.
Chairman Ray made a very polarizing post giving only the mafia perspective of NU's gameplay. I feel that NU's gameplay also makes sense from a town perspective. I'm going to point out this flaw to Chairman Ray.
Is this the correct interpretation?
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On December 09 2016 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:28 Tumblewood wrote:On December 09 2016 05:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
Also to spell it out for you, a read cannot be simultaneously "not an argument" and "subjective". Those are mutually exclusive traits of an argument. I was using those words talking about two different parts of the quote, aka the first part is not an argument and the second is subjective, if you were fucking reading it And yet you still have not given ONE of the binary answers I've prescribed.
here's a question: are you scum? answer either yes, openly or yes but I'm not telling you.
this is how i feeel about your two binary answers. they're both bad and the real answer is valid. read what I said again: I used two mutually exclusive terms to talk about TWo DIFDERENT THINGS
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On December 09 2016 05:47 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all. I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious. and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument.. Ok I'm trying to think about this from your perspective. Chairman Ray made a very polarizing post giving only the mafia perspective of NU's gameplay. I feel that NU's gameplay also makes sense from a town perspective. I'm going to point out this flaw to Chairman Ray. Is this the correct interpretation?
I don't fully understand your interpretation so I will rephrase my own:
ray is making a point that NU is distancing from me ergo NU is scum (maybe I misinterpreted your post) -> that's not a valid argument. in the same post ray says NU cares about his image too much ergo NU is scum -> I will point out that that's a bad tell to use because it is subjective and not useful.
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On December 09 2016 05:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
And yet you still have not given ONE of the binary answers I've prescribed. I don't think your questions are fair. One is from your flawed reading of his post. The other is NAI because OMGUS to the max.
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look I'm busy from 1:15 to 2:15 so speak now or for an hour hold your peace
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Taking that busy claim on good faith.
I'm going to bed.
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On December 09 2016 05:55 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2016 05:47 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 05:26 Tumblewood wrote:On December 09 2016 04:50 Chairman Ray wrote:On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +turns out no one likes being lynched and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective You argue that being worried about perception can be either town or mafia, and it's incredibly subjective, that I agree with, which is why I pushed on him. However, you came to NU's defense before letting him speak for himself, which is a direct contradiction with your argument. Just a few posts ago you were asking for other people's scumreads on NU so you can gain some perspective. You don't actually seem that interested after all. I did want someone to help play devil's advocate and then saw yet another example of the trend where every single game he's scum he dies D1 because he's painfully obvious. and there is no contradiction in my argument. I wasn't defending him so much as calling out your shitty argument.. Ok I'm trying to think about this from your perspective. Chairman Ray made a very polarizing post giving only the mafia perspective of NU's gameplay. I feel that NU's gameplay also makes sense from a town perspective. I'm going to point out this flaw to Chairman Ray. Is this the correct interpretation? I don't fully understand your interpretation so I will rephrase my own: ray is making a point that NU is distancing from me ergo NU is scum (maybe I misinterpreted your post) -> that's not a valid argument. in the same post ray says NU cares about his image too much ergo NU is scum -> I will point out that that's a bad tell to use because it is subjective and not useful.
This is not exactly what I meant, but given that ExO gave me shit for the same thing, I don't think you're intentionally misconstruing my posts, so I'll reevaluate on this.
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TW was not slammed when 2 people voted him, Either one of the voters (CR and cake) were scum OR TW is scum. Technically its possible that everyone involved is wrong, but fuck that noise, I'm calling TW scum, Good fucking game.
Cop, dont claim until you absolutely have to at end of Nightphase.
If TW claims cop, lynch that piece of garbage. I will not accept him claiming cop this game.
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I fully understand that this day is going to be a no lynch. I'm like 51/49 on lynhching TW today.
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My original case about NU still stands.
At the start of D1, NU and TW had townreads on one another. There was no pressure on them from anybody else. All I did was ask each of them, in a very neutral manner, what their townread was. If you were town and genuinely believed that the other person was town as well, you would just give me your town reads. Instead, NU posted his scumreads on TW about how TW is overpocketing him. The posts that NU were criticizing were posted BEFORE NU said that TW was towny. So when TW was overpocketing NU, NU should be suspicious at that time, but instead, he gave TW a townread. It wasn't until I asked him for his reasonings did he finally post his suspicions. From a mafia perspective, this makes perfect sense. Chairman Ray asked both TW and NU what their townreads were. Oh crap, he's onto us, better not seem too friendly. From a town perspective, this doesn't make a lot of sense.
Secondly, NU in two instances asked about what other people's reads of him were. At those times, TW had a strong townread on him, and only I was really on him. He argued that I wasn't pushing on him, so I guess he didn't feel any pressure at all. I would expect town to only worry about their perception if they are under the gun. So given that the overall vibe was positive towards NU, why was he so pre-occupied with other people's reads on him?
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##Chairman Ray for president
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On December 09 2016 06:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Chairman Ray for president
*fistbump*
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votecount
No lynch (1): Hopeless1der, cakepie
Tumblewood (1): cakepie, Chairman Ray, Hopeless1der
Not voting (4): ExO_, NeverUnlucky, Tumblewood, Chairman Ray
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Night 1![[image loading]](https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/jc/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAJWAAAAJGU0N2NmYzhlLTFmNmMtNDc5My1hZjdiLWNlZDNlOWFhNjVmMA.jpg)
Nothing much happened today. Angry mobs roamed the streets, but couldn’t quite figure out who to blame for this travesty.
Day 1 has ended with no lynch.
It is now Night 1. You may talk, and in fact, are encouraged to do so. Action deadline is in .
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k so at this point i have a sharp assumption that TW is scum. Any and every question from this point forward will be colored by the assumption that TW is scum. Thank you for your cooperation.
@Cop, my preference would be that you make your claim just before the end of night phase.
Besides that, feel free to tell me why anyone is scum
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tonight I will have a lot of time, which I will use to post extensive/organized reads (actually I have about 45 minutes to answer questions now).
given that I had two votes and no one hammered, we can eliminate the following scum teams:
ExO + NU
ExO + 1der
1der + NU
all other teams (there are 15 possible) would either need an extra town vote to hammer or include me. I strongly believe that both members of the scum team fall within cakepie, ray, and 1der.
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