EPT[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot - Page 18
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NeverUnlucky
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:05 Chairman Ray wrote: How did you know game was going to end? SCUMSLIP SCUMSLIP SCUMSLIP It obviously was a mistake. You're fucking mafia and everything you say doesn't matter nor should be taken seriously. | ||
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cakepie
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ExO get yo ass in here. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: What rolecrumb???? And why would you be looking at crumbs? | ||
Chairman Ray
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On December 10 2016 09:59 cakepie wrote: I claimed at EoN. TW, why you no claim at EoN? Ray, why you no claim at EoN? Because I checked Koshi Reading through your gigantic case now. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:09 cakepie wrote: We're going to wait for ExO and see if he wants to get coffee and donuts with us. ExO get yo ass in here. Why would you think that ExO would want to claim cop following 282? | ||
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cakepie
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On December 10 2016 10:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: And why would you be looking at crumbs? I saw something strange and looked into it and thought you might have crumbed VT. If you didn't crumb, then I'm mistaken for misinterpreting that something might be a crumb. I can see you might be worried that I'm scum hunting for blue crumbs. Let me assure you that I was looking for VT crumbs. Here's why: On December 10 2016 06:59 cakepie wrote: Furthermore, I was very worried about 25% bluesnipe odds. [...] I was concerned that ExO had stupid!town helped scum to 33% bluesnipe odds by eliminating himself as cop. I was worried about VTs claiming VT too solidly and helping scum by taking themselves out of running as possible cop. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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I know for a fact that I did not intentionally crumb VT, so if a post makes you think that way either I slipped VT or you misinterpreted it. And hunting for VT crumbs/claims is hunting for blue roles through PoE... Even if you were looking for VT crumbs/claims, you have a grand total of 0 reasons to do so as town. It doesn't serve you shit. | ||
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cakepie
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We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 10 2016 09:59 cakepie wrote: TW, why you no claim at EoN? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:33 cakepie wrote: NU, have you read my hugefuckingcase? Don't be lazy. Read it. We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion. | ||
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Tumblewood
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On December 10 2016 10:33 cakepie wrote: NU, have you read my hugefuckingcase? Don't be lazy. Read it. We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. if a case needs to be a hugefuckingcase to be good, then it's not really a good case. after ten quotes or so a case moves from the "thorough" category to the "just quoted every post in the game and added some analysis" category. maybe what you say is valid but if it is you should be able to make it not a juggernaut of a post | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On December 10 2016 10:37 NeverUnlucky wrote: All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion. Nvm, think it's 276 you want me to fully read. brb in an hour | ||
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cakepie
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On December 10 2016 10:37 NeverUnlucky wrote: All your cases are huge. Which one is it specifically? If it's the one on TW, I only skimmed it and read the conclusion #274 ~ #278 take your time. | ||
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Tumblewood
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On December 10 2016 10:35 cakepie wrote: because I was busy around deadline and it was less risky to wait till day (because let's be honest: mafia was never killing me there without a claim) thinking about it now maybe it would have been best to claim way early and either let mafia counterclaim me or kill me and validate my words | ||
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Chairman Ray
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On December 09 2016 23:05 cakepie wrote: Ray I need you to untunnel NU for a moment. Your reasons for scumming him are: 1. N0 planning, feigning activity? (same as TW) 2. D1 distancing from TW (NU+TW scum) 3. wanting you to push him 4. caring about how he is perceived I'm not saying that these aren't valid reasons. But I'm going to need you to try some good faith for a moment and consider these viewpoints: 1a. I have (weak? meta) reasons to see planning/mechanics as within the range of town?NU; #43 is a naive desire to have simple cop v mafia fakecop fights with no VTs fakeclaiming blue. 1b. #46 is a sound response to #45. With no VTs fakeclaiming blue, force scum to kill the doc N1 for a free flip without needing cop to check doc. Better plan than TW's careless crap; he's thinking as compared to TW's blindly enumerate. 2. The distancing argument relies on #87 + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2016 10:10 NeverUnlucky wrote: Same feeling for ray, but everyone else (besides you who I've a fetus of a town-lean on) is like ray for me cause 'not playing' IS bad. Pay attention to context. "fetus of a town-lean" for activity, since no one else is present/active -- only NU, TW, CR are around, and town?NU is in OMGUS CR mode thanks to CR's "lynch NU+TW" post. 3. The problem here, Ray, is that you buggered off for good chunks of time without pushing your scumreads. He could be saying "scum!CR isn't pushing me enough for how strong his read seems to be, that's scummy!" 4. Subjective. So take a moment and untunnel yourself, this is essential for what I'm about to draft+post up next. I have to agree here. This is a perspective that i didnt consider. Initially when i made my "lynch tw+nu" post, I had some red flags, but didnt feel at the time they were mafia, but their reaction to my push made no sense coming from town. What I failed to consider was that they were not reacting to what I said, but rather how i pushed it. I can see the possibility of tw and nu reacting the way they did from a town perspective. Im gonna reevaluate on those two. | ||
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cakepie
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On December 10 2016 10:07 Tumblewood wrote: I guess by principle he should but I'm not really worried if someone does hammer Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives. | ||
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Tumblewood
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On December 10 2016 10:51 cakepie wrote: Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives. > very little help of cop powers how the fuck is it selfish to use the information I have to help town win the game? and the word narrative concerns me. in the context of explaining a case, usually it involves taking someone else's posts and, without their explanation and usually with several leaps in logic, explaining the ulterior motive behind them. I plan on convincing town that I am cop and that ray is scum and that you would never fakeclaim as vt but that you're both clear scum anyway. also that you and he have associated yourselves so so much. but I want exo here first | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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But, for starters : There is a major flaw in your case. You start the case with the assumption that ExO and TW are scum, and that they are scum-buddies. Every point you make, every post you see only reinforces that idea, and I can't agree with you half the time you make associative reads. The best instance of this I've read so far is this: "#240Continues to townread NU (pocket) and ExO (scumbuddy)" You already have in mind that they are scumbuddies, and that TW town-reading me is therefore inherently an attempt at pocketing me while his TR on ExO is cus they're scumbuds. There is a fair bit of OMGUS on your part in there. There are far too many comments that don't bring anything to the case that are (I think) snarky comments/jokes, and for a case this loooong, it just makes it heavier to read. Be concise, get to the point. I've largely agreed with the analysis of 8 of the posts you dissected, and largely disagreed with 3 of them thus far. I'll post the list and my comments later or tomorrow, whenever (if ever) I have the motivation to pursue to read this case. | ||
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