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On December 10 2016 09:02 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't claim because I had confidence that both of the people voting me were mafia, and there would be at least two townies who were skeptical. and they were. so now we have both scum confirmed instead of just one.
also please don't vote me. as soon as both scum are online they can snap-vote me and end the game right there.
Okay, but where are your so-called crumbs? I've checked your filter and found NOTHING of that matter. You complained about blue roles a couple of times and were scum-reading H1 the whole fucking time, you even had him as top lynch at some point. This makes no sense from a cop who has a green check on h1's perspective.
I'm not unvoting you until you can convince me that you are the real cop, if the two scum hammer you and u flip VT it's your own fault for fake-claiming as VT. Besides if you're town, cakepie is scum and he is sleeping atm.
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and by please don't vote me I mean unvote immediately do you want to lose the game
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On December 10 2016 09:07 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:02 Tumblewood wrote:
I didn't claim because I had confidence that both of the people voting me were mafia, and there would be at least two townies who were skeptical. and they were. so now we have both scum confirmed instead of just one.
also please don't vote me. as soon as both scum are online they can snap-vote me and end the game right there. Okay, but where are your so-called crumbs? I've checked your filter and found NOTHING of that matter. You complained about blue roles a couple of times and were scum-reading H1 the whole fucking time, you even had him as top lynch at some point. This makes no sense from a cop who has a green check on h1's perspective. I'm not unvoting you until you can convince me that you are the real cop, if the two scum hammer you and u flip VT it's your own fault for fake-claiming as VT. Besides if you're town, cakepie is scum and he is sleeping atm.
I am not VT. let me make this clear
I am finding crumbs as we speak. give me 15 minutes to get them
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[QUOTE]On December 09 2016 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
The case on cakepie
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The case against
- From his first posts concerning me, cakepie is concerned with indicting me + Show Spoiler [on the grounds of enjoying non-blue-fo…] +
On December 06 2016 17:00 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +I'd rather play a solid game with real reads and such. blue roles are boring What a convenient thing to say now.
- Continuing, he explains how all of my actions were deliberate attempts to mislead and misinform the town. How on Earth do you reach the conclusion that my plan, quoted here, uses devices and rhetoric subversively when obviously the mistake wasn't even intentional? Cakepie overall spends several posts selling my mistakes, contained in obviously low-effort posts (as in, spending little time typing them, not thinking about them) as intentional. Keen to assume mistakes as intentional is always scummy; town isn't looking to paint others as scum without being totally convinced themselves... and also having decent reasons.
- Chairman Ray posts with similarly poor logic, and cakepie responds + Show Spoiler [in this quote] +
On December 08 2016 13:10 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 11:46 Chairman Ray wrote:
In my experiences, mafia tend to buddy up more when they're the most active ones, and draw distance when town are the most active ones. If the two mafia were the active ones in the middle of a quiet town, I could totally see them patting each other on the back for being active. Isn't that a bit circular and self-reinforcing? 1. Active players seem to buddy in quiet N0 -> 2. mafia together? -> 3. oh look mafia buddying in quiet town -> 4. go back to step 2 Furthermore, I think it looks more like only one (TW) is actively buddying. I think NU might already started smelling a rat and was questioning why/how TW formed that absurd TW/NU/Koshi circle: Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 15:48 cakepie wrote:I mindmeld NU on TW seeming to buddy toward end of N0, and I like his questions #71 #73 #74. I believe that NU could be genuinely (if naively) broaching the possibility of "If VTs agree never to fakeclaim, all CCs become MvT". TW jumps at the opportunity to gain easy towncred by enumerating possible scenarios according to mechanics, and to engage NU to try to start a buddybuddy going jerking over setup. TW's scumbuddy is somewhere else, and I think they could be tentatively drawing distance at that point in time, with town?NU active, soondead!Koshi and uncertainty over how active the rest of us would behave. If you're going down the road of associative reads I think there's more interesting interactions than just backpatting.
- Although he accuses me of trying to mislead NU rather than himself, cakepie plays to NU even more + Show Spoiler [here] +
Could he be trying to establish a bond with you as far back as #44/45, eventually leading up to #72+?
Did scum!bleweed take advantage of the opportunity you presented to earn easy towncred by talking setup and scenarios?
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On December 09 2016 09:22 Tumblewood wrote:The case on Hopeless1der... The case against- N0 he made one post and left. The post + Show Spoiler [in question] +
On December 07 2016 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Why are there suggestions for the cop to claim during D1? Why not end of N1 when theres a chance at 2 checks?
- Next day he initiated wanting to lynch me, but he didn't present any reasons of his own; he sheeped cakepie + Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2016 03:27 Hopeless1der wrote:
cakepie is it okay if I just sheep you today?
- 1der puts full trust into cakepie as town without ever discussing why (this is the first comment on cakepie's alignment [redacted]). Town-tunneling is a real phenomenon, but it makes me uncomfortable; it feels more like he is hiding behind someone he can safely call town.
- 1der asks me to pick between two non-contradictory statements I made and attacks me for choosing both, but fails to read and comprehend my words. It comes off as an attempt to get me lynched more than to get it right. By requiring one of two binary answers, provided by himself, he forced words into my mouth (and still, somehow, did not learn to read).
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so that's where I crumbed my checks
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On December 10 2016 09:07 Tumblewood wrote:
and by please don't vote me I mean unvote immediately do you want to lose the game
ok, sorry, might have been a little too overzealous.
##Unvote
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thank you
you have to bold your votes and unvoted for them to count though
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On December 10 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote:
so that's where I crumbed my checks
But dude, if you were NKed, nobody would've thought about looking this deep into your filter ie your death would've been pointless. Also, you didn't claim before EoN what your checks were/were going to be like cakepie did (Although i still dont know what they would be). It looks fabricated to me. That's what a mafia crumb would look like imo
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we have 48 hours (well, 46 now) to discuss. if you really think I'm scum, vote me toward the end of that 48 hours in case you change your mind
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On December 10 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
we have 48 hours (well, 46 now) to discuss. if you really think I'm scum, vote me toward the end of that 48 hours in case you change your mind
Outline to me why cakepie is mafia. No big post, just bullet points.
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And why is your vote still on Ray then?
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On December 10 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
And why is your vote still on Ray then?
Nvm, it makes sense to keep there if ur the cop with a red-check on Ray.
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Are you still here? My F5 key is going to become inoperative out of over-use soon
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On December 10 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote:
we have 48 hours (well, 46 now) to discuss. if you really think I'm scum, vote me toward the end of that 48 hours in case you change your mind Outline to me why cakepie is mafia. No big post, just bullet points.
- interpreted my posts, mostly early game, to illustrate a picture in which I am mafia using subversive tactics to mislead town, but all of the interpretations require huge leaps of faith (shows that he is more concerned with lynching me than lynching the right person as determined via reason)
- presented with similar mistakes from me and ray, he slammed me and merely explained to ray his mistake (does not treat similar situations consistently; consider that I have a red check on ray)
- fakeclaimed cop
to summarize, he is aggressively pushing lynches (specifically a lynch on me) in nearly all of his posts but does not show that he is carefully reasoning to make those. really a case of "there is no way someone sees these posts and draws that conclusion unless they are looking for a justification for a lynch"
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On December 10 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote:
so that's where I crumbed my checks But dude, if you were NKed, nobody would've thought about looking this deep into your filter ie your death would've been pointless. Also, you didn't claim before EoN what your checks were/were going to be like cakepie did (Although i still dont know what they would be). It looks fabricated to me. That's what a mafia crumb would look like imo
I was busy as usual fron 1:15 to 2:15 and figured that if I couldn't post just before deadline it was best to wait till after so I wouldn't die, because I was preeetty confident mafia wouldn't kill the #1 scumread of most of the game
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and i don't know that there's a difference between mafia and town crumbing, except maybe in the timing.
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On December 10 2016 09:38 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:On December 10 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote:
so that's where I crumbed my checks But dude, if you were NKed, nobody would've thought about looking this deep into your filter ie your death would've been pointless. Also, you didn't claim before EoN what your checks were/were going to be like cakepie did (Although i still dont know what they would be). It looks fabricated to me. That's what a mafia crumb would look like imo I was busy as usual fron 1:15 to 2:15 and figured that if I couldn't post just before deadline it was best to wait till after so I wouldn't die, because I was preeetty confident mafia wouldn't kill the #1 scumread of most of the game
Okay, right.
I'm not fully sold on your previous post on cakepie tbh. It's kind of a weak read I think.
How would you describe your confidence on your reads that are not CR in %?
On December 10 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and i don't know that there's a difference between mafia and town crumbing, except maybe in the timing.
Forget that, I wouldn't know.
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I'm going to cash in all the towncred I've banked and issue these orders.
No one votes without thorough discussion and town consensus.
ExO and Ray need to get their asses in here.
Don't be lazy. Read my case.
I'm working out the possibilities but I need everyone to be present.
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EPT
