[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot - Page 19

On December 10 2016 13:14 ExO_ wrote:
For starters just browsing, how the fuck can you claim cop without posting your checks cakepie? It makes no fucking sense. Claim cop without posting who you checked and who you are checking the next night is fake as fuck

On December 10 2016 10:51 cakepie wrote:

Because that means you'd win.
Either as townwinner or as scumwinner.

You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish.

It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game.

Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives.

On December 10 2016 13:27 Tumblewood wrote:

I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim.
one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen

On December 10 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I don't think TW/cakepie or Ray/TW are teams given that Ray and cakepie wanted to lynch TW day 1. Bussing is so bad in this setup, I don't know why they'd bus.

Plus, cakepie and Ray were voting and unvoting together, it looks like they were coordinated in some way.

Also, cakepie's always been against me going after Ray and he discredited me saying that my read on Ray was OMGUS when it wasn't. It started out as OMGUS, but as Ray got stuck on page 5 by page while we were on page like 13, it wasn't an OMGUS read anymore, but a legit one.

On December 10 2016 13:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Why are you saying claim/fake-claim if you're cop????

On December 10 2016 11:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
And tbh this case revolves all around logic and contradictions, and I don't think that's the right way to find scum though that's personal.

On December 10 2016 14:50 cakepie wrote:
If NU is town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders.

Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off.

On December 10 2016 15:24 cakepie wrote:

scum!(tw+exo) see NU as the one the can get to vote with them.
But I'm the fucking weakest link now with unforced error.

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I'm not actually a super strong player or anything like that. At least, I don't think so given my track record:

• NMM33: used logic. Logic was mostly sound but being VT and lacking role information, I input one incorrect premise into my logic, based on a tunneled read. I try to make a big play and go shenannies with it. Fortunately, scum had not run the logic themselves, so they committed a forced error. And the player with the actual role had also looked into the logic and caught on so he was ready to save the game from my mistake. We won the game but no thanks to me.
  
  
• NMM36: replaced in, obvious TvT situation. Was too late and barely wasn't able to save the doc who got mislynched D2. Got the town together. I spent a lot of time D3 trying to get the townies who were going to be left alive D4 to townread each other, but they had built up so much animosity from TvT and were so exhausted that it was a difficult and ultimately futile exercise. Fortunately, scum had been coasting off of TvT, and didn't keep up with town after EoD2 so we won handily with scum lynch+modkill on D3. I was criticized for overcomplicating things on D3 (doing things with D4 motivations) and told to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy".
  
  
• Aperture 2 Ep 2: large themed game with role madness. I felt completely lost and useless. Was among the weak players that were killed off closed to the end. We lost.
  
  
• NSM8: Didn't have enough time, played like utter shit. Got pushed by both scum and town and got mislynched D1 as VT. We lost.

NSM8 taught me to make sure I have fuckloads of time (I am a very slow plaer) and to put in tons of effort. Those lessons are freshest in my mind since it's most recent, and I lost in a really shitty way. So I applied them in this game.

Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I saw busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader was a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good, but I've tried my darndest and succeeded in establishing myself town.

I also tried to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy". I picked the scummiest target, pushed the read as far as I could. Then, the next target, and take it as far as I can again. This was okay and I knew there would be weak parts of the reads. But it is informative to see how people react. It is also informative to provide material for discussion -- which is why I was somewhat dismayed by the lack of discussion. On the other hand, this approach led several of you to think that I'm trying too hard to find scumtells.

Things were pretty good though, until I forgot the lessons from long ago ( NMM33 and NMM36 ) and decided to do unnecessary shit and make a big play. Now we're fucked unless someone -- most likely NU -- is willing to hear me out on good faith.

So I'm going to submit that it's within my meta for me to fuck up like that.
The way I use logic too, even if that seems alien to you.

I really hope that people are bothered enough to actually put in effort to go look at my meta.
Sorry to increase the burden on you.

If you can't be bothered or don't believe me, then I will shamefully accept responsibility for losing the game.

You're not going to get seals from me, though. I'm town.

On December 10 2016 15:30 Tumblewood wrote:why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early?

or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him?

On December 10 2016 15:58 cakepie wrote:

I did fake #280+281.


If you mean me calling him craycray, no particular reason. I just thought it would be a funny nickname.
If it's me seeming to let him off the hook, that's because I was focusing on you, then ExO.
If you have something you want to ask me about our interactions content-wise, fire away.

On December 10 2016 16:04 Tumblewood wrote:
and with ray, it's that you never seem to pressure him, you just always see the good side, which isn't how you have treated TW+ExO

On December 10 2016 15:36 Tumblewood wrote:

I'm not lynching you today, not with an absolute certainty on the board. but consider that, if you're town, then exo has to be scum and must be playing a pretty damn good game.