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ExO_
United States2315 Posts
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ExO_
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On December 10 2016 13:14 ExO_ wrote: For starters just browsing, how the fuck can you claim cop without posting your checks cakepie? It makes no fucking sense. Claim cop without posting who you checked and who you are checking the next night is fake as fuck I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim. one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen | ||
NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 10 2016 10:51 cakepie wrote: Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives. The last paragraph is basically him implying that him and CRay are not cops. | ||
NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 10 2016 13:27 Tumblewood wrote: I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim. one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen Why are you saying claim/fake-claim if you're cop???? | ||
ExO_
United States2315 Posts
Cakepie's and CR's claims are obviously bullshit. Cakepie doesn't say who he checked N0 or N1, CR checked the dead guys. Very convenient. NU looks like you are the decider here, and the only person other than TW I'm going to be concerned with. Let me know any questions you have more me, any analysis you might want, or anything you might find interesting. | ||
NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
And as I said, I'm now on TW's side and think that the scummers are CP and CR. This was left unanswered: On December 10 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't think TW/cakepie or Ray/TW are teams given that Ray and cakepie wanted to lynch TW day 1. Bussing is so bad in this setup, I don't know why they'd bus. Plus, cakepie and Ray were voting and unvoting together, it looks like they were coordinated in some way. Also, cakepie's always been against me going after Ray and he discredited me saying that my read on Ray was OMGUS when it wasn't. It started out as OMGUS, but as Ray got stuck on page 5 by page while we were on page like 13, it wasn't an OMGUS read anymore, but a legit one. I'm heading off and I'll sleep on it. | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On December 10 2016 13:30 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why are you saying claim/fake-claim if you're cop???? it just felt a little too skewed to just call it a fakeclaim. I know it was a fakeclaim, but I had that sitting there and it felt too in-your-face so I changed it | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
On December 10 2016 11:32 NeverUnlucky wrote: And tbh this case revolves all around logic and contradictions, and I don't think that's the right way to find scum though that's personal. I know. But if you're really town -- and I really hope you are -- then please do try to follow as best as you can, because this is going to be difficult. If you're town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders. If you're scum, you're putting up a hell of a good act. No offense again -- but I don't think you're capable of this act without helluva good scumbuddy coaching you. So, I think you're probably town. I already squandered my towncred by being too cocky -- and that was stupid of me. I just hope I have enough left that I can bring together the town circle and win us the game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I see busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader is a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good of a player. But I've been trying my darndest. huge fucking case is huge because I wanted to be thorough. I know being verbose is a problem of mine so I try to cut down on my commentary length -- and voila I get called out for "quoted every post in the game and added some analysis". What TW has done is to wholesale dismiss everything I've done before even giving it a fair shake. I see you giving it a fair shake, NU. Thank you for that. I know the case is not going to be perfect. I know it's going to have flaws. I'm okay with that. Remember: cases can be a basis for discussion. If we force discussion, we get more information about where people stand on matters, and we get more opportunities to read them for what they say and what positions they take. That's a positive for us. Please continue to weigh the case. Toss out the weak shit. See if what remains is good enough. I'll help. | ||
cakepie
985 Posts
People who don't seem to care about considering the possibilities: ExO, TW. I'm VT who fakeclaimed cop. There are no checks because I'm not a cop. You won't find those checks. But I'm not a crook either. I wanted to try to shield the real cop from NK and die in his place. If I succeed, and flip VT rather than cop, then my flip and my towncred would ensure my reads get considered. Plus there would be (hopefully useful) cop checks. I tried to make a big play because I got too cocky and fucked up because I was sleep deprived, staying up all night until dawn, and all pumped up because I thought I solved the game. It would have been epic to solve and win the game. Now if we lose I'm totally worst misplay 2016. =( I was worried my case might be wrong and we lose for it. Now it's my case is right but we're going to lose because I'm going to have trouble making my case stick. On top of this misplay, I was also too cocky and talked to NU about crumbs and now that's going to stick as a SR. I'm going to run out of towncred, this is going to be hard. But I'll try. Because if I've done nothing else this whole game, it's trying hard. In b4 all the things I said get thrown out, baby with the bathwater, etc etc. Just because I operate differently and some people have a hard time following. And the lazy thing is to say "I'm right, this guy seems nuts/scum. block out noise." Hear me out please. In view of my scumread on TW all this time, TW's crumbs are prefabricated. In my huge case, you'll see that I believe EoD1 scum played for nolynch, and then N1 was orchestrated. The crumbs are part of the orchestrated move. scum?TW's fabricated crumbs tell me that: - scum already decided early in N1 or even earlier to kill H1, and safely crumbs H1 N0 town in one bullet point. - This means the decision was made even before my fakeclaim. =( - But H1 succeeded in dying so that the real cop may live. =) - scum leaves flexibility to either pick one bullet point and "N1 check (cakepie)", or to spill to the next bullet point and "N1 check Chairman Ray" - scumbleweed's partner is ExO or NU. Of couse I pick TW+ExO as that is the case I've decided to pursue. In that case TW+ExO rely on NU to vote with them -- because they think they can use the fact that they all don't always understand my methods to discredit me. I do think NU is town but I will give TW+NU a good shakedown. Alternatively, cop?TW means scum?Ray. But I'm town. So it'd have to be Ray+NU or Ray+ExO. | ||
cakepie
985 Posts
On December 10 2016 14:50 cakepie wrote: If NU is town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders. scum!(tw+exo) see NU as the one the can get to vote with them. But I'm the fucking weakest link now with unforced error. I'm not actually a super strong player or anything like that. At least, I don't think so given my track record:
NSM8 taught me to make sure I have fuckloads of time (I am a very slow plaer) and to put in tons of effort. Those lessons are freshest in my mind since it's most recent, and I lost in a really shitty way. So I applied them in this game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I saw busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader was a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good, but I've tried my darndest and succeeded in establishing myself town. I also tried to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy". I picked the scummiest target, pushed the read as far as I could. Then, the next target, and take it as far as I can again. This was okay and I knew there would be weak parts of the reads. But it is informative to see how people react. It is also informative to provide material for discussion -- which is why I was somewhat dismayed by the lack of discussion. On the other hand, this approach led several of you to think that I'm trying too hard to find scumtells. Things were pretty good though, until I forgot the lessons from long ago ( NMM33 and NMM36 ) and decided to do unnecessary shit and make a big play. Now we're fucked unless someone -- most likely NU -- is willing to hear me out on good faith. So I'm going to submit that it's within my meta for me to fuck up like that. The way I use logic too, even if that seems alien to you. I really hope that people are bothered enough to actually put in effort to go look at my meta. Sorry to increase the burden on you. If you can't be bothered or don't believe me, then I will shamefully accept responsibility for losing the game. You're not going to get seals from me, though. I'm town. | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off. I can maaaybe believe in such a bad fakeclaim.... actually, even in a world where VT fakeclaims are acceptable, what's the point of posting right before deadline when the whole purpose of doing that is so scum won't have time to react? why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early? or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him? I'll give it a 95% chance cakepie is scum. exo, if you could just play well for a couple days and ease my doubts, that would be nice. | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On December 10 2016 15:24 cakepie wrote: scum!(tw+exo) see NU as the one the can get to vote with them. But I'm the fucking weakest link now with unforced error. I'm not actually a super strong player or anything like that. At least, I don't think so given my track record:
NSM8 taught me to make sure I have fuckloads of time (I am a very slow plaer) and to put in tons of effort. Those lessons are freshest in my mind since it's most recent, and I lost in a really shitty way. So I applied them in this game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I saw busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader was a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good, but I've tried my darndest and succeeded in establishing myself town. I also tried to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy". I picked the scummiest target, pushed the read as far as I could. Then, the next target, and take it as far as I can again. This was okay and I knew there would be weak parts of the reads. But it is informative to see how people react. It is also informative to provide material for discussion -- which is why I was somewhat dismayed by the lack of discussion. On the other hand, this approach led several of you to think that I'm trying too hard to find scumtells. Things were pretty good though, until I forgot the lessons from long ago ( NMM33 and NMM36 ) and decided to do unnecessary shit and make a big play. Now we're fucked unless someone -- most likely NU -- is willing to hear me out on good faith. So I'm going to submit that it's within my meta for me to fuck up like that. The way I use logic too, even if that seems alien to you. I really hope that people are bothered enough to actually put in effort to go look at my meta. Sorry to increase the burden on you. If you can't be bothered or don't believe me, then I will shamefully accept responsibility for losing the game. You're not going to get seals from me, though. I'm town. I'm not lynching you today, not with an absolute certainty on the board. but consider that, if you're town, then exo has to be scum and must be playing a pretty damn good game. come 2v1 LyLo, you can sort things out (assuming I die so scum doesn't let me check all but one surviving player, and that we don't lose the game today), and I will try to make things as easy as possible for NU, who I predict is the axis vote in this case. but don't get your hopes up too much | ||
cakepie
985 Posts
On December 10 2016 15:30 Tumblewood wrote:why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early? I did fake #280+281. or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him? If you mean me calling him craycray, no particular reason. I just thought it would be a funny nickname. If it's me seeming to let him off the hook, that's because I was focusing on you, then ExO. If you have something you want to ask me about our interactions content-wise, fire away. | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On December 10 2016 15:58 cakepie wrote: I did fake #280+281. If you mean me calling him craycray, no particular reason. I just thought it would be a funny nickname. If it's me seeming to let him off the hook, that's because I was focusing on you, then ExO. If you have something you want to ask me about our interactions content-wise, fire away. posting at the standard escape-NK time defeats the purpose of baiting the NK by claiming. and with ray, it's that you never seem to pressure him, you just always see the good side, which isn't how you have treated the rest of the game. | ||
cakepie
985 Posts
On December 10 2016 16:04 Tumblewood wrote: I did concede to you toward EoD1 that he was falling into scum territory. Also, I don't think I ever pressured NU and H1 very much either?and with ray, it's that you never seem to pressure him, you just always see the good side, which isn't how you have treated TW+ExO | ||
cakepie
985 Posts
On December 10 2016 15:36 Tumblewood wrote: I'm not lynching you today, not with an absolute certainty on the board. but consider that, if you're town, then exo has to be scum and must be playing a pretty damn good game. Huh, you might actually care. You could lynch Ray today, and die tonight, and leave us to our devices. But you care (or are pretending to.) If cop!TW and town!cakepie, it's either ExO or NU with Ray. Don't discount NU with Ray. It's plausible that the following: - You were selected as D1 target based on N0, and Ray vs NU was a distancing move where Ray has to lynch you to flip you scum and scum NU by association. But we could copcheck you as town and Ray would safely disengage NU. Or we mislynch you and they win. In that sense, Ray v NU isn't even a bus. - EoD1 may have had NU waiting to hammer you if ExO or H1 voted. - your crumbs were found, and scum actually opted not to kill cop!TW because: - they get to kill conftown in H1 - you were scumread D1 by H1, me, and ?ExO? - with me going after TW+ExO, I'm the weakest link who will mislynch you - in any event, NU is sent into thread to vote you and get stupidcake to vote you and then Ray hammers - scum puzzles over my claim for a bit and then figures out I fucked up. Ray formulates his copclaim. - NU voting ray is ballsy, but they know I will tell NU to unvote. - This requires NU to be playing very well, but this is the scenario where he has Ray as a very experienced scumbuddy who can guide him. So you need to consider both ExO and NU. | ||
Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17203 Posts
Chairman Ray (1): Tumblewood, Tumblewood (1): Not voting (3): ExO_, NeverUnlucky, cakepie With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. If no majority is reached, the day ends in with no lynch | ||
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