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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 10 2016 16:26 cakepie wrote: I did concede to you toward EoD1 that he was falling into scum territory. Also, I don't think I ever pressured NU and H1 very much either? Bolded is false?? Couldn't find it anywhere in your EoD posts. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On December 11 2016 02:31 NeverUnlucky wrote: Bolded is false?? Couldn't find it anywhere in your EoD posts. #179 | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
On December 11 2016 02:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: cake, I understand that from your pov Ray is the cop because you TR him and ExO+TW associative read is strong for you. However, I think how we read TW/Ray does not matter here at all. I think it's a matter of who's cop, and who's not. Who's town, and who's scum. So I'm asking you to drop your read on them both for a moment, re-read my D2 posts as well as TW's and Ray's, and tell me who do you believe is cop more. Ok, you're right. Scum!Ray had time to evaluate the claims that came before him. cop TW, idiot cake. He then formulates his fakeclaim to cater to idiot cake. Got it. Forget me trying to persuade NU, gotta obey NU for a bit here. --- On December 11 2016 02:15 Tumblewood wrote: jeez cakepie why do you have such a strong aversion to scumreading chairman ray I'll try to fix that first thing tomorrow with a fresh mind. Too far gone at 3am. TW, here's something that you can reciprocate for me to show me you're willing to work with shitVT cake. I revisit CR. You revisit ExO. We can try to meet in the middle. Because ExO+CR is what we're going to have to do if cop TW and shitVT cake agree that NU is town and CR+NU makes no sense. For a start, #107, TW towns ExO focusing on the mistake part. NU and I both didn't like the way he couched his read. Doesn't matter that he confused cakepie/calix. He's not taking responsibility for a read he knows beforehand is wrong. There's also how he seems to have kept evading a lot of questions. Inattentive, or trying to avoid taking a position / explaining own motives? | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
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cakepie
985 Posts
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
So, uh, while we wait for ExO n' Ray, ask me questions if you have some. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 11 2016 04:39 cakepie wrote: Oh hi NU still here? Yeah, but my SC2 game just started, be back in like 30. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
I lose the game by mislynching TW You lose the game by mislynching Ray It's actually that simple. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On December 11 2016 04:41 cakepie wrote: Do we agree that we can just stop talking to ExO and throw out all of ExO's D2? I lose the game by mislynching TW You lose the game by mislynching Ray It's actually that simple. no wait it's only that simple in my head. not as simple in NU's head. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 11 2016 00:09 NeverUnlucky wrote: ExO: You say you are 100% behind TW's claim. How confident in % are you in your reads of me, Ray and CP? How do you explain TW scum-reading his green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with his green-check and not doing a case on who he scum-read and ended up checking? Similarly to CP, day 1 you said that I could be scum, but never really got in detail there. I found it suspicious that you said that you wish that I were here more when I had been pretty active before that day, yet, you had never engaged me. It felt like a back-stab ie you TR me when I'm here and start discussing the possiblity of me being scum when I'm away. Why did/do you think I could be scum? Please tell me why you think CP is scum. I'm 99% confident that TW is cop, and 99% confident CR is scum. I'd say about 85% on Cakepie being scum, and about 70% sure you're town. The math isn't perfect, but it's where I'm at. Right now literally only TW/CR matters. I have no idea why TW would start off saying he thinks his green check is scum. But he did breadcrumb him as town, and he bread crumbed his next check. It doesn't make sense to me. And again Day 1 I wrote the impressions I got as I read the thread. What motivation would I have to "backstab" you as scum? I wasn't trying to push you when you were afk at all. I find it a bit odd that right now you seem to care a lot about what people thought/think about you. But that's something to consider for another time. Cakepie is trying to talk about all sorts of shit to get you off the wrong track. Right now the only 2 candidates even worth considering are CR and TW. One of them is fake claiming cop, and is mafia. We'll talk about Cakepies fake claim (which is not town motivated in the slightest) later. We should be focusing on CR/TW. Does CR's claim look convincing to you? because it doesn't to me. TW's filter length, and attempts to get people to listen convince me he isn't lying. Combined with that fact that CR/Cakepie tried to get a lynch going on a day when a lynch does not favor town, and TW's clever breadcrumbing convinces me that TW isn't the liar here. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 08 2016 20:39 cakepie wrote: Announcing it serves the purpose that people don't start acting all surprised and worked up when they perceive me 'suddenly' get all up in your face. Cuz, y'know, some folks can't spot hints or read between the lines. Gotta spell it all out. Not explaining it now has a town motivation of denying information to scum. I don't see a need to explain everything now and give scum time to ponder over it. Town doesn't need my full explanation today (game D1, not real time), but will have it by tomorrow (that is to say, D2.) when it matters. I really should focus on CR but I want to point this out now. Cakepie used this to claim breadcrumbing for his cop claim. But he's said that he's VT fake claiming.....so what was this post about then? Tell me which alignment would be motivated to announce that they've stopped town tunneling another player because: "Announcing it serves the purpose that people don't start acting all surprised and worked up when they perceive me 'suddenly' get all up in your face"? Which aligntment cares more about how they are perceived than about finding scum? Which alignment would want to deny information to town ? This kind of post I read as I filter dive Cake convinces me more and more that he's the 2nd scum with CR. The whole bullshit story about fake claiming cop to bait out shots at a time when scum won't even have time to react is garbage as hell. On a day when we're at lylo what kind of VT player fake claims cop? And if he was baiting out shots why didn't he IMMEDIATELY rescind? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 08 2016 10:56 Chairman Ray wrote: My problem was that you and TW totally flushed out the scenario where both medic and cop are alive and go uncountered, and everything else is handy dandy, while leaving a very brief mention or ignoring entirely all other scenarios. Whether or not Koshi flipped blue is not important given that mafia didn't know what he was. Given that it was Koshi dying, I would give it a higher chance that the mafia weren't trying to bluesnipe at all. He's literally saying what the scum team are thinking | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 09 2016 19:04 Chairman Ray wrote: ExO, I don't think your read on me is fair, and to some extent, it's my fault for hunting scum on my own rather than being engaged with town. I think that you are town, so I will explain to you exactly what my thought process was. I really need you and all remaining town to trust me, or at least take my reads seriously, because we all need to vote together tomorrow to lynch the mafia. Where I'm at right now is that TW and NU are the mafia, you are town, cakepie is town, hopeless is town, and obviously I am town. I have mainly pushed onto TW and NU because there are only two mafia, and it's most definitely those two. I think we can all agree that TW is mafia. I pushed onto NU many times and he's given me shoddy answers the first few times, and he's literally disappeared now and hasn't responded to anything else I posted. I posted a case on him that I want him to respond to, and I want all the town to consider as well, and so far, neither has happened. Also, nobody else has given a strong case against anybody else. Do you see why I have no reason to get off of those two? I haven't pushed much on anybody else besides TW and NU, but that doesn't mean I haven't been considering or caring about them. As for you, hopeless, and cake, there's a lot I like about your play, and a lot that I don't like, but there's little that I can point to and say "hmm, this play is really advancing the scum agenda, and scum would instinctively do this". I don't post townreads or speculative posts on people because me not being able to scumread someone doesn't mean someone else can't. If someone convinces me of a better option than TW or NU, I'm willing to reconsider. I should probably be more actively engaging with people, and that's my bad. I also feel that I'm being singled out for tunneling. If you look at other people's filters, Hopeless has been tunneling only on TW, cakepie has mostly been on TW and you, and you haven't been aggressive enough to even be considered for tunneling. So besides the fact that I literally said that I'm tunneling onto TW and NU, singling me out seems a little biased. Read this post. CR is more concerned with how he is being perceived. Doesn't think the read on him is fair, thinks he is being unfairly singled out. That singled out part is the thing that really bugs me. It's like he wants me to go after the other players and just not focus on him. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 11 2016 04:41 cakepie wrote: Do we agree that we can just stop talking to ExO and throw out all of ExO's D2? I lose the game by mislynching TW You lose the game by mislynching Ray It's actually that simple. ????????????????????????????? no? I'm actually thinking ExO is town over you. And wtf is that thing about losing and mislynching? I don't get it at all. And I still have got no evidence to believe CR is cop from you | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
On December 11 2016 04:30 NeverUnlucky wrote: It's not about obeying me, it's about reaching a consensus on who's cop and who's mafia. If you believe that CRay is the cop (That his claim makes sense, not because you TR him), you should most definitely show me why. I'm not liking that you've dismissed all the points I've made on Ray since D1 and are now deciding to sheep me. After fucking up with the fakeclaim, I started doubting myself and my reads. To the point that I actually extended good faith to TW and let NU's reasoning contaminate mine and willing to go try scum reading Ray. But ExO's yelling is my wake up call. My reads are correct and my mission is to help NU untunnel Ray and lynch TW. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 10 2016 09:54 Chairman Ray wrote: Ok, I'm the cop. Cakepie and Tumblewood are fake. I checked Koshi N0, which was why I didn't come out. I checked TW N1, and he's mafia. ##Vote: Tumblewood Catching up on the thread now. Why is he not screaming that cakepie is mafia too. If he was the cop he'd be screaming both of them are liars and are the scum team together. But he doesn't. Just TW. Why is he only caring about TW here? Does the fact that cakepie lied about being cop not matter to him? I don't believe it. I'm so certain CR is scum here. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 11 2016 05:21 cakepie wrote: After fucking up with the fakeclaim, I started doubting myself and my reads. To the point that I actually extended good faith to TW and let NU's reasoning contaminate mine and willing to go try scum reading Ray. But ExO's yelling is my wake up call. My reads are correct and my mission is to help NU untunnel Ray and lynch TW. About the only true thing you've said. Why do you believe CR's cop claim? I don't know why I'm bothering even, you and CR are scum and I get it's your job to lie and try to convince town to lynch other town. It's hard for me to not get loud and call you a liar non-stop. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
Canada1622 Posts
On December 11 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote: [...] And again Day 1 I wrote the impressions I got as I read the thread. What motivation would I have to "backstab" you as scum? I wasn't trying to push you when you were afk at all. I find it a bit odd that right now you seem to care a lot about what people thought/think about you. But that's something to consider for another time. It's not because the read is about me that I'm asking for the 'why'. It's because you threw out a 'possible' mafia read in the thread and left it there with no explanation and never referred to it later. Idc how others have been perceiving me re: I didn't even respond to Ray's/H1's cases/reasons as to why they thought I was scum. It's just not right for you nor CP to call me scum with nothing to show for. But you're dodging the question re: Why did/do you think I could be scum? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
He's not making any effort at all. This is so easy it's a joke. I'm surprised cakepie hasn't started saying things like "maybe I'm wrong, I'm doubting myself, maybe CR really is scum" because CR isn't even trying anymore. I think town has this won. CR/Cakepie scum team | ||
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