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Not only was I asked nicely to signup but I was also in the first Touhou Mafia as well so... fitting I suppose. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:04 ExO_ wrote: This entry is now my 2nd scum read behind calix. Omg I was noticed! | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote: If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum. What prompted this? | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:38 Foreman wrote: Filter me. That's why I want reads and original content from them. Yea I did that before posting, I'm a bit confused why you went from being uber-tunneled on Calix to suddenly considering her as town. I'll be honest, I was thinking you were lock scum up till this post but it gave me pause because I consider thinking about people from both alignments is a good town trait. However your posts seem more like you are just shifting focus away from Calix to another target but your read really hasn't changed. Right now I'd stick with my initial read that you are scum and attribute this shift to being told in your QT that you are tunneling too much. | ||
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Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e. Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well. Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either. After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me. ##Vote: Exo_ | ||
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Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo. I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:53 Calix wrote: What made you think Foreman was 'lock scum' in the first place? He jumped on you for being try-hard and didn't have an opinion on anyone else. Took him a full page of filter before he even talked about anyone else, and even then it was only a segway based on his read on you. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:57 Foreman wrote: I started kicking around the idea of Calix town in the post you asked me about, actually. That's why I started talking to her. Yea I kinda liked that you asked her about her read on marg. Still it's an odd switch in thinking to go from "Calix is scum!" to "Calix is town, and this dude is buddying her, so is scum" Also, you kinda lost your chance to change my interpretation by telling me to read your filter. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3. His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT. Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone? I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim. Also VT's claim VT all the time. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:14 Calix wrote: Underrated post. To expand on my ExO read, I didn't feel like he was trying to paint me as scum, weirdly enough. Even though his post where he votes for me is complete crap, I still don't get that impression. I really need to figure out where exactly I started town-reading him again. I'll have to reread tomorrow and see. I think I just have a hard time taking any Calix vs NU stuff very seriously kus you two are always at odds. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:22 NeverUnlucky wrote: I said I agreed with the points you made PLUS I don't buy his VT claim. Ah my bad I did misread that. Thought I didn't miss you stealing that "explaining it in 4 lines" thing from Dark. ![[image loading]](https://m.popkey.co/7efc68/Eprg8.gif) | ||
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What are your thoughts on Exo? | ||
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Also I told myself I wasn't gunna try too much this game so I might fuck off and play some WoW or summin. | ||
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On November 03 2016 12:14 darthfoley wrote: Don't think I like this post; you kinda like something he did, then called it an odd switch, which is less than a scum read, then told him that his mind cant be changed?? This post, in three lines, is sending very mixed signals about his read on Foreman Look at Foreman's filter. Basically the whole first page is him tunneling Calix without really commenting on any other player (and Calix was not the only person being tryhard imo). Around the end of his first page of filter he suddenly suggests Calix might be town and thus gell would be scum. After that point I kinda like Foreman's posting a bit more. So yea my read is a bit wobbly but thats kus I'm getting mixed signals from Foreman myself. Overall though I'm still feeling like he's probably scum, just not that sure yet. Oh you also called out another post of mine I almost forgot to mention. It was when I responded to NU about VT's claiming VT, that was not reffering to Exo, was just a general statement. NU said something like "VT would never claim VT" which is not true. Personally I just disregard that initial claim, it's not really grounds for a read, though his later posts about it are fair game. | ||
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On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote: I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left. I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit. I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. Even if you had an amazing reason to push Calix I'm not sure she ever qualifies as "low hanging fruit" I think Skynx is currently holding the low hanging fruit award. | ||
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On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote: Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO. TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong. Anyway, this: ##vote mahrgell I've actually been rethinking that townread on gell ever since I asked him about his Exo read. I glanced through his filter and noted he kinda avoided discussing Exo despite generally giving what look to me like reasons to scum read Exo. Like here: On November 03 2016 07:49 mahrgell wrote: - overdefended against air from Calix - retaliation vote, I mentioned I dislike those - kinda stubbornly tunneled Calix - neither of those are good things, but can also be very emotional TvT. Judging this would be easier if I knew some meta. So postponing this read for now, especially as I have higher priority lynch targets. He lists 3 scummy things, but then suggests he thinks Exo is town? Also worth noting that he's had no issues scum reading Foreman despite not knowing any meta, so that line feels more like an excuse to not read Exo. I think Darth also pointed out this response and how gell just left the meta thing as an excuse without bothering to try and get a meta read if that's what he feels is valuable. This was all associative though so I was kinda setting it aside unless we got a red flip from Exo. Who I still think is the better lynch atm. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: I very much dislike mahr's last post. Too many words to state "Meta-wise, I think he's a scum-lean". And it's a meta-read. But he gets some tryhard points for reading Outlaw just to get that one meta read. mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum. Actually what he did is the proper way to make a meta read imo. It's meaningless to say "I think player X is scum kus meta" but if you backup that meta-read with examples and reasons it becomes more valid imo. @gell I don't believe in meta myself so I have nothing to add really. I'd say that since he just rolled scum it makes the whole "not wanting to post gifs to not draw attn to himself" thing I mentioned before stronger, but that's about it. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote: 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing. Eh, I like this thinking but I think your first point is moot since Exo stated several times that he doesn't think his claim is bad for town. I'm actually seeing more of a disconnect between how much he talked about why he claimed and yet never realized why that claim might be bad. I suppose since this is a newbie game I should elaborate on why a VT claim is bad for town. Basically it makes mafia's side goal of killing off blue roles that much easier. If you are VT and claim it is essentially helping mafia blue hunt by narrowing the pool of people they want to look into. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:43 NeverUnlucky wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Calix Town doesn't ignore other members of the town. I'm ignoring exactly 100% of these pushes between you and Calix. Honestly you two seem to get so emotionally worked up over how you read each other I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. ... You guys might actually make an amazing scum team. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull. I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on. Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT. Haven't read Rels yet. Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Please, touch on them all you want. Stop complaining that you have to read a forum based game, it just makes you look like a child. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote: Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card. Yea I could see this. I'm not opposed to a Whiny Bitch lynch on Skynx atm. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote: I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie. Eh, those where my off the cuff reads after reading the game for the first time. I'm fairly confident in Calix being town though. It's mostly feels based though. I saw her scum game as being fairly careful and calculated, here I'm getting a much more natural and organic vibe from all her posts and read switches. Gell... idk will have to reread him later, but still a townlean in my gut reads. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote: K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm: TOWN Foreman NU ExO Calix TT Skynx mahrgell DF SCUM See you soon! Uhhh... Wut? | ||
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About the only thing I actually liked from him was the post about the VT claim. Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore. | ||
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Yea I think he fucked up his formatting or summin. Oh wait is it like a town to scum thing? Pretty weak list if that's the case. | ||
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On November 03 2016 23:35 Calix wrote: Also I'd appreciate your opinion on Rels in that Newbie game since you were largely uninformed and all that. Honestly I don't really recall it was a bit too long ago, I'll go skim to refresh my memory though. Ah, yea he seemed like obv town that game due to how gung-ho he was right off the bat and his interactions with Lunatic (and lunatic flipping scum) made it super obv he was town. I don't feel like comparing the games is a good way to read Rels though, I've seen him be lackluster as town when he doesn't have much time and super active and involved as scum when he does. Giving it more thought I might actually give Rels a slight townlean because as scum I think he'd be more worried about how he presents his reads, here it is more like he's just sharing what he's got so far. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote: K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm: TOWN Foreman NU ExO Calix TT Skynx mahrgell DF SCUM See you soon! What makes you townread Foreman? In other news I see Skynx decided to start playing the game and I'm not hating it so far. | ||
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On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote: More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock And you called my post on Exo the worst case ever. Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. This is pretty out of context. First Calix saying she wasn't scumreading him has nothing to do with his defense since Calix said that much later (I also have no issues with her pointing out something she doesn't like, calling it illogical or w/e, and then not scumreading the person for it. I actually shows deeper thinking imo). Second, of course anyone is going to defend themselves, it's about how they do it. Exo took 2 questions from Calix as some kind of immense pressure to make him post gifs (what?) and called her scum for it. That's overblown no matter how you look at it. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. I stand by my assessment. Him changing his stance from "I'm gunna post gifs and have fun" to "I'm gunna claim VT and get all serious about shit" is far more likely to come from someone who rolled scum and doesn't want to draw attention for posting mostly gifs. You clearly don't know what OMGUS is. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? You could be, but similarly to my thinking on Exo your early play was openly drawing attn to yourself which is not usually what scum want to do. I alluded to that somewhere. These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. How does any of that make me scum? And long silence? How are you going to accuse me of taking a long silence when you've spent the whole first half of the phase just complaining about reading and only now getting around to posting substance... Your other post was decent, but you can stay floating in null/scum territory for this. | ||
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Exo and Skynx are my top picks for lynch right now. | ||
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Why do you "like this thinking" if you admit that his first point is null and you don't respond to the second point? If it's all null or NAI, what is there to like? The 2nd point was what I liked. Ticktock says two lines before that you shouldn't compare games with Rels, because of his variability, then gives him a slight townlean based off of what can only be characterized as meta analysis off of previous games. Why would you think his scum play is likely to play out one way or another when you've just admitted that he has various playstyles? I was mostly just saying comparing that game to this one prob wasn't a good way to try and read rels. The other point is my opinion of how Rels plays, take it or leave it, it's speculation hence why I said it's weak. Not trying to rehash everything, but IMO saying it's illogical for town to do something, worded in that way, implies a mafia lean to some extent. TT, can you explain, how it shows "deeper thinking" and why that deeper thinking indicates Calix to be town? Kus it's really easy for scum to go, "Thats illogical! Contradiction! Scum!" but as we all know town acts illogically and contradict themselves plenty often. Trying to find out what caused that by asking questions is that deeper thinking, not pigeon holeing someone based off one silly thing (see Exo or Foreman's push on Calix for examples there). The green implies that TT should be townreading Skynx, and maybe even ExO for doing things "mafia normally wouldn't do" (i.e. drawing attention to themselves early), yet he flips in the next paragraph to saying his opening was scummy for being silent? You can't have it both ways. I was saying he stays in the null scum/territory for me kus of the overall post, not just that last point. A lot of his reasons for scum reading me felt disjointed and the last bit was all BS. How were my reads wrong (especially when he brought up similar points to me on people)? And why would my reads being "wrong" make me mafia? etc etc You might ask why I don't have the same reaction to your post here, but I just get the sense that you don't get my way of thinking/posting rather than putting things together that don't make sense (like the "long silence" thing). | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:44 mahrgell wrote: Again, I disagree. I consider the first line to be a metaanalysis on activity (= you cant meta him on activity). While the second is more of an analysis on general town/scumtraits. Imho you are just tunneling here, and try to spin things so they fit your foregone conclusion. Yea this is a fairly accurate interpretation of what i was saying. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:48 NeverUnlucky wrote: "I think he's mafia, so I will ignore the posts he makes that could make me think he's town." NICE. VOTE THIS. I took my time (Scarce resource for me atm) to properly respond to her shitty cases without being toxic, and that's her answer. IGNORE. NU, I suggest you actually do the same thing as Calix said she was doing. Take a step back, go do something else. Come back to the game and ignore Calix for a bit. Re-evaluate when you are less likely to jump on the OMGUS train or just stay confirm biased. Right now you are just blowing up every little thing you take issue with and are warping what was said to fit your thinking. Calis didn't say "I think he's mafia, so I will ignore the posts he makes that could make me think he's town." she basically said, "I think he's mafia but I want to ignore his posts for now so I can evaluate him later more objectively" Like I've said a couple of times already the two of you get so riled up over how you treat each other it makes half of what you say meaningless. | ||
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Like I've said a couple of times already the two of you get so riled up over how you treat each other it makes half of what you say meaningless. Especially when most of it basically boils down to stuff like this... "He put words in my mounth! That scummy bastard!" "OMG how can she scum read me, that scummy bitch!" "He said an illogical thing! Scum!" "She is ignoring me! Scum!" | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:26 Foreman wrote: Please explain. I'm rarely "most town" on sites I play regularly, so this feels off with no explanation. This post is actually a pretty decent reason to consider Foreman town. Scum pretty rarely question why people townread them, it's kinda counter productive for them. It's obv not foolpoof, but I'm finding myself considering Foreman more and more towny. | ||
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I thought you were gunna actually look at stuff not just sheep someone. I R dissapoint Least my vote is in the right place. | ||
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On November 04 2016 04:44 Calix wrote: I maintain that Rels is a good lynch to be honest. TT seems to have arrived, however. Let's see if he blows me away with some super-townie posts or whatever. Nope. On November 04 2016 04:46 Calix wrote: I'd like TT to clarify his reads on ExO and Skynx, especially with reference to that "attention-seeking" thing. I found that hard to follow. Ok. Skynx's early posts: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? Exo's: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 03:02 ExO_ wrote: I'm VT lame Not including the Gif post On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote: You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote: If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game. You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum ##vote Calix Skynx starts off complaining, and when called out responds with similar attitude. Exo claims, makes a gif post, then gets all defensive and aggressive about your questions. Takes that into a serious mode by turning it into a case on you. Skynx continued his bad posting even after getting called out. Exo immediately got upset you called out his not posting gifs and got super defensive about it. I'm amazed you guys even try to draw a comparison here, there is a very clear difference in their opening play. | ||
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If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames. | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote: I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no? However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler + Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:09 Calix wrote: Eh? Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic. Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null. Because I was giving his early posts a townlean because he was drawing attn to himself and scum tend to not want to do that. However if Skynx has an established meta (and more importantly is self aware of it) of playing scummy at the start of the game to draw attention then my initial thinking no longer applies. Scum!skynx would go out of his way to act scummy at the start simply to replicate that aspect of his townplay. And thinking about it more this was it would make Skynx's early posts make more sense if he is scum trying to replicate his bad start of day play. Stuff like calling the entire early game NAI, and complaining about reading constantly make a bit more sense coming from scum trolling than town trolling. However this is prob a line of thought that only makes sense to me. | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote: I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote: Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting...which were in the posts that you responded to. I know you started to change your mind, and no I don't really think you two are on a team. Neither of those points matter, I just wanted to know what had you thinking Exo was town before. I actually do read and usually double check stuff before I ask questions you know. | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:34 ExO_ wrote: Are you going to ignore the inconsistency with Ticktock here? HE brought up that I was only VT, not me, and I responded that it makes no sense to kill me because I'm only VT if you don't believe my VT claim. Interesting... I wonder if there was a reason that I included that little spoiler in that post... Nah couldn't be. I don't think about what I post. | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:48 Calix wrote: Because I think his defensiveness/ role claim/ tunneling are anti-town behaviours. I don't see a compelling scum narrative for enacting such behaviours. The only one which I can see for ExO is: scum!ExO sees Calix's question -> scum!ExO thinks that he can use the question to spin a scum narrative on Calix -> scum!ExO goes hard on Calix in hopes of starting a bandwagon -> scum!ExO goes in too deep and gets a shitload of unwanted attention on him -> scum!ExO retires from the thread until attention goes away before he retracts his Calix scum-read. I feel like the townie explanation is a bit simpler though. I'm seeing it more like he rolled scum after just getting out of a game as scum so drops his gif plan and instead claims VT. You start questioning him him about it and he can't think of a good explanation. So instead he fakes some OMGUS and makes up some BS about you trying to get him to post gifs. Later he backs off this push claiming it was for reactions (but never followed through with that) and then decides to sheep skynx's case. I'm really not seeing the town narrative, hence why I think he is scum. | ||
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On November 04 2016 05:55 ExO_ wrote: Just to make sure you don't misunderstand, I'm implying he claims that lynching me is okay because he thinks I'm either scum or if I'm not I'm just VT. That's scum logic. He's saying that because he believes it, but because he thinks it'll be easy to get town to vote for me. It's actually surprisingly hard to get people to vote obv scum. I'm not even just talking about this game either. Also you can ague this point to death if you want. My read on you is pretty independent of your claim, though at this rate your filter is just gunna be you talking about it. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote: But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum. His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:27 Rels wrote: Good find, it is pretty weird. TT why was Foreman lock scum before that post ? Kus everything before that, which is basically the first page of his filter, was just tunneling Calix for being tryhard without talking about anyone else. On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote: If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Such a weird fucking post. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Hi!+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 07:17 mahrgell wrote: Is this your thing? Trying to modconfirm yourself day1? This is quite sadly his thing. On November 04 2016 08:24 Foreman wrote: Found an outlet. I can't see scum posting this. Do I really need to explain why? @TT: How did you get from: to: ? (emphasis mine) Mostly the fact that "Not hating it" doesn't translate to "He's town" On November 04 2016 08:31 Foreman wrote: This sounds like TT is revoking a townlean from Skynx if I'm reading correctly... but he already said Skynx was one of his favored lynches. I'm not following this. Please explain? I was referring to the fact that I had initially townread Skynx due to his early play. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote: Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point Cute... but you really never did anything with that now did you? On November 03 2016 15:11 ExO_ wrote: I'm tired. I just got home. I don't feel like reading through the read. But I'll tell you my thoughts in a nutshell from the point I left. I jumped on to Calix initially and continued to pressure him(her?) long after I thought she was scum. I do think the way he entered the thread was dumb and likely to inflame me. But his responses afterwards seemed very much from a towny perspective. I continued the pressure to see who would jump on the bandwagon with me in an attempt to press low hanging fruit. I'll look at it tomorrow, but NeverUnlucky/foreman are both going to be the first people I look at. Your follow up to this was voting me kus you liked Skynx's case and think he is a cool guy. Now it seems like you've forgotten you even scumread me. On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote: NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon. Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU And apparently everyone who is voting you is also scum, so your reads are just OMGUS. On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote: Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum Which is now effectively half the game being thrown in for good measure. I guess Skynx is also not a cool guy anymore either. | ||
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I still believe in the Exo wagon, and I expect to hear pretty convincing reasons why anyone is voting anybody else or is still townreading the guy when I wake up. | ||
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Went out with my roommates last night and not feeling like doing much reading right now so if I missed anything in my reading last night or since then you should hound me about it. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote: If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today I not so subtly hinted at this last night, and coming back to it today I can't help but reach the same conclusion. Doesn't the bolded line look line something meant for a scum QT? Is this a massive slip or am I crazy? | ||
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On November 05 2016 00:23 Calix wrote: No it doesn't. Why would scum!ExO make a post meant for the scum QT in the same post that he talks to NU? Thats why it's called a slip. I have to admit it's a shitty way to be found out if you are scum kus you've been playing really well. It makes a ton of sense though, kus you've been really weird about your reads on both myself and Exo. You townread Exo forever without ever having reasons to (you even said yourself, you just didn't see the scum modivations but didn't have any reasons to TR him). Most of pages 30-40 you keep talking like you could go either way on me and keep telling people to look at the case on me, never try to come to much of a conclusion yourself. You also made that really paranoid response when I asked you about your townread on Exo. The more I've thought about it the more it makes sense. | ||
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Anyways some reads that are a bit less in flux. Just going off the top of my head. Town: Rels + Show Spoiler + I stated earlier that I felt like Rels was just dropping his thoughts into the game and that suggested to me that he's town. As he's put time into the game I just get more and more of that feeling. Pretty sure he is town. mahrgell + Show Spoiler + Overall just pretty genuine and seems to be invested in solving the game. Sorry nothing particular is coming to mind, just tone and feels I guess. NeverUnlucky + Show Spoiler + Just seems to be too all over the place and emotional to be scum imo. Idk just feels really geniune in how he goes back and forth on peopleI also actually like Rel's point about NU trying to mod confirm himself, but I also hate to reward that behavior. Nullish: Foreman + Show Spoiler + Probably my most null read. I don't feel like he's brought much to the table or done anything that makes me think he is town. Similarly though nothing really suggests to me that he is scum, besides the fact that he kinda ignored half the game early on while tunneling Calix. darthfoley + Show Spoiler + Honestly just haven't spent much effort reading Darth. What I have read makes me lean town on him just for general read progression and putting good thoughts out there. Skynx + Show Spoiler + I appreciate the effort Skynx has been putting in during the latter half of this phase, though it seems like we are reading different games. Tempted to put him down as scum but I'm wondering if he's just tunneled and I'm feeling like it's unlikely he is scum with Exo atm. Scum: ExO_ + Show Spoiler + I think I've said plenty about Exo, and there is nothing new to note. | ||
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On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote: I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point. Fair warning, I'm prob gunna call TMI on this if Exo ends up flipping town. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:05 ExO_ wrote: Perhaps you should consider that it's very difficult to make accurate reads right now when everyone is scum reading me and on my wagon. It's hard for me to not be OMGUS when everyone is voting for me, is it not? That said, I think both you and TT are pushing me here past what makes sense. Especially the way TT came back into the thread last night and ignored the progression of my posts to make a point. He strung a bunch of posts together that were very far apart to make me look horrible. either way I think at least one of you two should know better. Which makes me think at least one of you is scum. This isn't OMGUS, this is my honest thoughts. There was no progression to talk about. You just spouted out scumreads. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote: I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:35 NeverUnlucky wrote: That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? | ||
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That's a pretty bad reason when he has done nothing productive all day. | ||
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I dunno it's weird he's so sure Exo is town. Could be that he is scum either with Exo or independent of Exo imo. I'd still preffer to lynch Exo and sort it out later. | ||
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I'm tempted to compare how I reacted to being mislynched last game to how Exo is going about this EoD. Not sure that's a fair comparison though. Really I just can't see town modivation in any of his play and that's not changing with all the appeal to emotion he's dropping now. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:57 ExO_ wrote: again, distancing himself just like TT. Look very very very closely att TT/rels. they're both experienced and they both should've known this was a bad lynch. Nah this was a great lynch regardless of your flip at this point. | ||
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So with Exo flipping town, and me being the only other wagon that had much steam I can safely say that mafia was under very little pressure D1. I'm kinda considering Skynx/Foreman right now, but will come back to this a bit later with fresh eyes. | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:46 Calix wrote: @Tictock He also scum-reads ExO because 'he didn't want to draw attention to himself by only posting gifs' What's the issue here? He somehow thinks that ExO overreacting to my question, being overly defensive and lashing out at me is something that...will NOT get ExO a shit-load of attention...? He has to think that. Why? - He scum-reads ExO. - He claims that scum don't like attention and that ExO didn't post gifs because he didn't want attention. - Therefore he has to think that ExO's reaction was intentionally designed to not get attention onto ExO. Here's what I found: How does anyone think that attacking me and getting salty are things that won't draw attention to ExO? My god you are digging so deep into this, and I thought we went over it already. Exo's scumread on you was pure reaction, even when I thought he was scum I thought that. I never thought it was some grandly designed post, it was basically just like the rest of Exo's reads which were just "Fuck you for scum reading me". I really don't get why this argument keeps coming up, there was a very clear difference between Exo's early posting and Skynx's early posting. I'm not going to use the same metric/logic/whatever when I feel like there is a clear difference in the posting. If you are going to keep up this line of thinking you should actually relook at their opening posts and tell me why I should have blindly used the same logic with both of them. Then you should explain why I, as scum, would even bother suggesting skynx might be town for drawing attn to himself rather than just let him draw that attn and push him along with Exo... which I did anyways. The TLDR of this is Exo's posts looked like he was just reacting and trying to step up to play seriously after you questioned him, Skynx responded to pressure with more bullshitting. Not the same posting, not using the same logic, hence my read was different. Please scum read me for better reasons, talking about the same point over and over gets old. | ||
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@ NU Discussing reads at night is fine, though I'll admit sometimes it's tempting to wait for Day phase for the extra flip and thus info. If you are of the line of thought that Scum are going to choose their NK target based on who is getting too close to the solution at night... Meh. That's actually not usually how scum pick NKs. | ||
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On November 05 2016 20:28 mahrgell wrote: Okay, finished reading up on DF: Going to bed, I was sure this would result in a scumlean for me, but looking at his filter this seems from some kind of defence reflex when accused with weird arguments. Yes, I'm still salty when he made up shit like me "using OMGIS" after I responded to a very clear question.... But overall his filter reads really good and I can follow his line of thought. But in the evening I actually marked myself one post of him, which stuck out. Like probably the main post I got bad vibes from him. It was this one. Reading it from the filter doesn't make it special, but reading it fom thread progression is different. What really annoyed me there was, that at the time the post was made, the convo was basically all on Exo. I felt I had defended all of DF's attacks on me quite well and those issues should be solved. Yet he comes in, during the Exo convo, and feels like throwing in shit at me again and try to distract the exo train. If Exo_ would have flipped red, I think I would have went after DF for this post alone. But Exo_ was green. I simply can't see a mafia doing that post at that time in the thread, when they should be jerking off in mafia QT how great this mislynch is doing. I guess if it spawns a LynchTownExo vs LynchTownMahrgell debate this could be somehow still okay for Mafia, but... why risk votes scattering and who knows what happens next? At this time the EoD was still rather far away. So DF townlean for me now. This strikes me as incredibly towny. It's a really roundabout way to come up with a townread on Darth and is the type of thinking that is almost exclusive to town. | ||
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Calix NU Marhgell Rels + Show Spoiler + Calix's case on him actually isn't terrible, and I should prob reread Rels but I'm unlikely to do it this phase. My gut read on him is pretty strongly town, I followed his read progression pretty well and all his thoughts feel genuine to me. A little less sure on Darth, but I feel l can follow his reads and thoughts really well. Scum: Skynx: What stands out in my mind is how Skynx had such a strong townread on Exo that it was a large part of his case on me. However I don't recall Skynx ever really explaining this read past the fact that he thought Exo's defense was "his right" or w/e. I said it EoD, and it still feels like TMI to me now. Gell's case on Skynx is also really good, and is pretty damn sheepable imo. Foreman: Overall just unimpressive. Spent a long time attacking Calix for "try-harding" without looking at anyone else, transitioned to townreading Calix and scum reading gell in a really odd way. I liked a couple of posts but he dropped off really hard. So it's kinda PoE at this point that leads me to think Skynx/Foreman is the scumteam, but there are some good reasons, and a good case, why Skynx should prob be the lynch tomorrow. | ||
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If I get killed tonight that last post is good enough for a last will. | ||
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On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. This early read on Foreman is really odd, just kinda rambly and the two bolded lines both contradict each other and add nothing. I also noticed that Darth made posts all day long about Exo being scum. On November 03 2016 09:04 darthfoley wrote: I also find it weird that 1. ExO came in 2. Got scum read and pressured 3. Weak case on Calix 4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation 5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell 6. People seemingly forget about ExO On November 03 2016 12:30 darthfoley wrote: ExO's filter is also relatively assheeks. I need Rels in the building On November 04 2016 03:01 darthfoley wrote: If ExO continues to be this underwhelming and inactivate I think I'd be okay with an exO lynch But only joins the wagon after making a big post about why he doesn't think I'm scum anymore and that Exo is the better lynch. Kinda feels like he just kept this scumread on Exo in his back pocket, bringing it out when useful but not committing to it till it became clear that Exo was going to be lynched. Unfortunately I didn't find anything that really makes me think he is either town or scum. Just this stuff that stands out as kinda weird to me. Moving Darth to a solid null read. | ||
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Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum? Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing. Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will. | ||
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On November 06 2016 03:41 Calix wrote: So here's the quote chain where I call him out for not getting involved in TT vs ExO (so you can see his reasoning) Here you can see him say "I am liking ExO for town" So he goes on and says "I don't think TT would post "Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore" if he was scum" (I don't understand how this makes TT town tbh lol but whatever) Here's the ONE post he had where he says that he disagrees with ExO. And then he just leaves this salty-ass vote on ExO??? I will say that I completely missed the rest of the context though. Foreman goes on and says this: But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for. So make of that what you will. This is a really good find, I missed him saying he like Exo as town. His early attack on you also kinda suggested that he TR Exo early on. | ||
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On November 06 2016 04:09 NeverUnlucky wrote: I've re-read EoD, and noticed a few things. While myself, DF, and Calix said that we were thinking/starting to think that ExO was town, only Rels and TT were still confident in ExO flipping scum. Tictock seemed to be tunneled. He did not bring new points to the table, just said that he was confident in the lynch. Rels, however, was bringing new arguments he did not share before EOD. It looked like he was making an impromptu case on ExO and that he was scavenging for reasons to still scum-read him to ignore the town tone ExO conveyed. Here are his posts: Foreman was conveniently afk. Humm, I kinda disagree. Town is pretty likely to push their thoughts to get the lynch they think is best. Maybe I'm just buddied here kus I agree with the points he was making here (some of them were stuf I pointed out as well). I felt like Rel's progression on Exo was pretty reasonable, but I should filter him at somepoint to make sure my memory isn't totally off. I recall him having a good reason to TR Exo based on his claim, then later decided that wasn't enough to excuse his play. | ||
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On November 06 2016 08:23 Calix wrote: I actually feel more convinced that Skynx is scum given the increasing body of evidence against him. It's hard to tell given that the three main suspects have yet to defend themselves. I liked DF's recent posts enough to take him out of my shit-list. While I'm here, can you expand more on your Rels read? If you have other priorities then don't bother but I feel like I am too focused on Rels > Skynx and you said that you town-read him so I'd love to hear what you think. I actually don't like Darth's posts at all. It falls right in line with how I think scum would play if gell was killed to implicate Skynx. Idk tbh I'm starting to feel like this game is pretty solved from my POV, I just need to make sure I can backup my TR of Rels a little better, but my PoE is down to Skynx/Darth/Foreman. If skynx is scum his play has been just shit all game. | ||
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Well you are on a similar level of tinfoil thinking to me atm. I see your point, but in my experience mafia don't like to kill off people who are right because it adds to much creedence to their cases. Skynx's position was not great already, I really doubt he'd want to add to that by killing someone who cased him hard at night. At least thats how my WIFOM thinking about this is going. | ||
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I'm gunna make filtering Rels and Foreman my next priorities. Apparently I've lost interest in relooking at EoD, but maybe I'll force myself to do that. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:10 Calix wrote: Alright, so here's an idea that I just thought of. I was rereading my case on Foreman and noticed my comment about "I think ExO/ TT is TvT and Foreman is just sitting on the sidelines" Well I am back to thinking that it was a TvT, so it looks like I was spot-on with my comment about Foreman ignoring that shit-show. Want to know what he WAS doing? Arguing with Skynx. I don't know if that's relevant or not in terms of either of them being scum or whatever so I decided to quote those Skynx/ Foreman posts for reference. + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote: ##Vote: Skynx I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote: Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". On November 04 2016 05:34 Foreman wrote: Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game. Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier. On November 04 2016 05:36 Foreman wrote: Bullshit. You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote: His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote: No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum. This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually. I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum. Ok now I'm going to go eat. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote: So you think the scum team would be Foreman / DF or Skynx / DF from your PoE pool. You think DF is bussing Skynx with his latest posts?If not, either your PoE pool is missing Skynx's partner or Skynx is not mafia (from your POV). Foreman/Darth is my current thinking yea. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:29 Calix wrote: If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead. ##vote Foreman Yea I'm For this... ##vote Foreman ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/syYZ65c.gif) | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:43 darthfoley wrote: I'd like you to expand on what parts of my posts you don't like. My thoughts on the mahrgell kill are that he was spewing town and had been universally townread (his last posts got me off of him). I made the point earlier that I thought mafia would try to buddy the first timer, and I think mahrgell picked up on that. I'm also town because I clicked through your 40 spoilers Lol Ok you prob deserve some cred for that. Actually looking over your posts again you do make pretty decent points. Let me ride this train of thought a bit longer though, I'm having fun with it. ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/PaaauvsPQ10I0/200.gif#20) | ||
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There are a couple of instances of Rels looking at past games to get some meta reads on people which I suppose scum could do just as easily as town, but I'd put more weight on it being a towny thing to do. On November 03 2016 22:19 Rels wrote: Thanks. So that's the turbo game you and Calix were talking about at the point in the thread I'm at. Doesn't seem super impressive to me, only short posts and not a lot of fighting. Apparently your tone was aggressive and that is off-meta for you ? But you didn't really fight with other people. He also does this with gell and Darth later on. This was the first thing that catches my eye. On November 03 2016 22:51 Rels wrote: K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm: TOWN Foreman NU ExO Calix TT Skynx mahrgell DF SCUM See you soon! Was no mention of Foreman prior to this, so it's really odd he's Rel's top town here. I like this post, it's not really in scum!Rels' interest to make a post like this because he could pretty easily try to use Calix's strong scum play to keep throwing shade on her. This would be limiting his options if Rels is scum. On November 04 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push. He does something similar with marhgell On November 04 2016 07:31 Rels wrote: Wow OK that actually changes my read on you completely. I'm having a very hard time seeing you as scum for your first ever forum game, under some pressure since almost the beginning of the game, and still posting as much and as detailed as you do. I actually remember my first game, I come from RL mafia too and I was like that, super analytic about everything. A pleasure having you on this forum then (= Gonna quote the DF stuff Maybe I'm shit at reading but I think this is the first time Rels talks about his read on Foreman. On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player. These posts make me think that: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys. Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote: Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull. I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on. Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT. Haven't read Rels yet. Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells. I didn't feel like there was much to note about Rels' progression on Exo, though it still felt kinda natural to me. By and large I still kinda like Rels's posting this game, he has some pretty good townreads and reasoning for them. I kinda like his progression in general, and think he's made a few reads that would limit his options unnecessarily if he is scum. His lack of explanation about his Foreman TR is what worries me, especially since Rels otherwise seems to be being fairly careful with his townreads. | ||
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On November 06 2016 10:46 Calix wrote: We cannot make proper progress until the three main suspects pop online. I'm getting bored of waiting. This so much. I feel like we have a pretty strong towncircle here with you, NU, and myself. If we can get one more really solid townread on someone then this game should be basically over. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:57 Tictock wrote: I'm ignoring exactly 100% of these pushes between you and Calix. Honestly you two seem to get so emotionally worked up over how you read each other I have a hard time taking any of it seriously. ... You guys might actually make an amazing scum team. Someone remind me to tinfoil the shit out of a NU/Calix scumteam if we get much further into this without a mafia lynch. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
It's quite possible my WIFOM about Skynx is just that and this is actually as easy as Foreman/Skynx. It's really tempting to think that because of their lack of, well anything today. Also I'd like to take a second and give some mad props to Cake's hosting. Not only has she been including links to everyone's vote and unvote in each VC but now reminding people about DST changes? ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7TKrugYn6cXQAMTK/200w.gif#11) | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 07 2016 07:43 Skynx wrote: 3) meta cuz I just left a scumgame with exo as partner and it was totally different. Why is this the first time you are mentioning this? I would expect that kind of experience to be really enlightening with your read on Exo, and would mean you actually have some things that stand out to you about his play. When I skim your filter though I can't really find any insight in your mentions of Exo, just that he is somehow clearly town to you. I'm also not terribly impressed with your case on NU. Most of the things you are calling him out for are things that you yourself have done this game, like trolling. Dropping votes with little reason is also not really very AI when you are pulling them out of context like you are doing. Town make weird votes and change them more often than scum tend to. Also, this... Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). scares the hell out of me. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I feel like I could go either way with Skynx's emo posts, but his actual content doesn't inspire much confidence. The case on NU looks more like he just grabbed posts out of NU's filter and threw in comments than a real read. The lack of any other reads is worrysome, no real explanation on why he thinks I'm town now (I think that's the case) or why he doesn't like Darth. There is also irony there since half his case on NU is that NU is dropping reads without giving reasons. The only thing that is giving me pause atm, and it's more WIFOM thinking so take it with some salt, is that if the scumteam is Skynx/Foreman then why the hell is this game still going? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 05 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote: /unignore Calix has reasons to vote Exo, unlike somebody. /ignore These don't really feel like they come from scum imo, feels more like tunneled town. My dilemma here is that I don't really have good reasons to think Skynx might be town just a few things that make me question if he is actually mafia. I also think a Skynx/Foreman team is pretty possible given their interactions. So, I think I'm just going to leave my vote on Foreman. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 01:47 Calix wrote: Huh? Skynx is still active and none of the mafia have died yet. Why would the game have stopped? Yea I know, but they aren't in a very winnable position given we still have potential blue actions to help. It's also very possible it is them and they are just holding out to see if we get cold feet. So yea, it's WIFOM I maybe shouldn't bring to the table. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 04 2016 03:26 Foreman wrote: Please explain. I'm rarely "most town" on sites I play regularly, so this feels off with no explanation. Pretty unusual for scum to question people's townreads on them, especially since this would be Foreman's first scum game here. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote: His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. This is a decent point to make about Skynx. There was a couple other things too, but they are more or less in the same vein. So, ##Unvote ##Vote: Skynx Although now I'm getting a bit paranoid that we are just going after bad townies all game long. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:14 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why do you think Foreman is scum? I don't think you've explained it before (if you haz sowwy). Mostly PoE + his absence from the game. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:14 Calix wrote: I don't understand how you can possibly have doubts about Skynx after his re-entrance. There is no overarching town motivation behind his posts and his meta doesn't match up to his town meta. Also don't see how being passive-aggressive is a town tell. You literally do not need to see if every single post comes from town/ mafia. You only need one post where someone makes a post that makes no sense for town to make and it's game over. Case closed. Alignment solved. I don't actually give a shit which one dies today. I just can't believe that you think Skynx has a chance at being town. I'm not sure why I'm suddenly getting cold feet, I still feel like I have decent reasons to TR everyone but them so I'm probably just being paranoid. Stampeding through their filters right before lynch is prob not helping me much there either. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:33 Calix wrote: lol TT. You are the reason that this game isn't going to end prematurely, let me just say that now  I'm almost hoping that one of these two wankers is town. Then the game will actually become interesting again and there'll be more discussion. If there is a chance than one of them is town in your mind, shouldn't we lynch Foreman since Skynx is at least posting content? albeit not much | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Plenty of time for paranoia later. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:51 NeverUnlucky wrote: The sad part is that Skynx probably asked the hosts to concede but because Foreman is AWOL, the hosts could not end the game. This is pretty possible. I'm also confused why Skynx is throwing away his vote on Darth instead of saving himself by voting Foreman, or following is own reads and voting NU. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 02:56 Skynx wrote: Shennanie on Calix guys? Uhh, no? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
GG guys, well done town. And once again mad props to Cake's hosting. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
You should try and work on your OMGUS reactions to people casing you, I feel like all your reads got tainted by that and made it really hard to see any thought going on besides that. I'd also strongly encourage you to take Calix's advice next time. Spend less time defending yourself and more time trying to read people. You did a decent job trying to spew yourself town at EoD but at that point with no content in your filter to back that up it's hard to put stock in your posts besides playing to stay alive. Just my 2 cents, though I have to be honest I think I was pretty tunneled on you at that point and just wanted to see your flip. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:09 Half the Sky wrote: Of course my blue reads were off. I had Calix and NU as likely blues. Damn me. I was a little paranoid when Foreman posted something about me not thinking about Exo possibly claiming VT as a blue. Other than that though I feel like I'm hard to pickout as a blue kus I really don't put that much stock in it. At least I'm not an easy blueread when hosts don't PM half the game my checks ^.^ | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:11 Calix wrote: I was being considered for a night kill N1 and didn't die due to fear of medics. My ego is satisfied with this. It was a good call by them, I jailed you N1. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Skynx I think it was clearly just your poorly explained TR on Exo combined with most of your content being in WoT form. If you had brought up some decent meta reasons on Exo based on your last game prior to this last phase your TR would have been alot more believable imo. Foreman, I think you played decent mostly you just fell off too hard later on. Your insta-tunnel on Calix right off was pretty weird but you pulled out of it well enough. Hell you had a lot of people TRing you on tone and I backed off as well till you came up in my PoE. I also like that you guys tried to make some of the distancing plays you did, some room for improvment on em (they were a little too soft and forgotten too easily) but I like the effort. @ Skynx I feel like your scum game is much improved since I last saw you roll scum. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:31 cakepie wrote: The scumteam was independently guessed correctly by: Shapelog via PM, 2 hours 30 minutes into the game & Disformation in Obs QT, 4 hours 15 minutes into the game Congrats! I want to shamlessly admit that I only made one submission to this and it was Exo/Calix... Really wanted that one post to be a mega-scumslip... | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On November 08 2016 03:37 Calix wrote: Oh good, I can add another thing to "shit Tunneltock says" Hey don't give Tunneltock credit for that... this was clearly the work of Tinfoiltock. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
I think I'm ready to impart my wisdom of how to tunnel and tinfoil all game and yet still contribute to finding scum and pulling town together. | ||
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