Newbie Student Mafia XXIV

On October 30 2016 03:36 Calix wrote:


You should try reliving the glory days of Waffle Boy sometime

On October 30 2016 04:54 Calix wrote:


Not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that NU meant that he wanted an excuse to shit-post

On October 30 2016 12:02 cakepie wrote:
Don't you have another place to shitpost? Like the next 1k post quota to fill? =Þ

On October 30 2016 12:03 mahrgell wrote:

was this your first question in his ama? :D

On October 31 2016 22:01 mahrgell wrote:


When NU wrote in #4 about "good read" all he meant was "start a 20 page shouting duel with Calix, with both calling each other names, so that all other players get dazed and just want to hide from the thread".
Which in the end always benefits scum. Having them in the same game seems to always benefit scum, no matter which roles they roll. #prayforrollingscum #scumOP
The problem with that meta is, that they both have to hold this up, as this is their typical townie meta. If they were not yelling at each other, this would strongly hint at them being scum.

On November 01 2016 00:42 Calix wrote:


So much incentive to not do it this game

On November 01 2016 01:51 Calix wrote:


You're missing the point.

But since you won't get it, I'd say that hyper-focusing on me in HM 3 was also an example since you scum-read me based on the stupidest shit and when I flipped town, immediately concluded that "Calix is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO META-READ GUISE"

Which isn't entirely wrong but the reasoning sucks.

I am curious as to how mahrgell concluded that we're opposites though. I hope he expands on that point.

On November 01 2016 10:54 ExO_ wrote:
I've decided for day 1 btw I'm going to communicate almost soley with pictures. Please don't take it to be alignment indicative

On November 01 2016 10:54 ExO_ wrote:
I've decided for day 1 btw I'm going to communicate almost soley with pictures. Please don't take it to be alignment indicative

On November 02 2016 17:49 ptmc wrote:
/in, if no one who actually has time to play wants to take the last spot.
Please lynch NU and calix early so that i don't have to read too much.

On October 04 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote:
rolled town, don't have to do shit

On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.

On November 03 2016 03:01 Calix wrote:
First the worst

On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:


So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.

On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:


You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?

Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment

On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:


You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?

Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment

On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:


I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous.

I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from?

On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:


Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point.

Clarify this now, please.

On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:


I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why.

Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment.

On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:


Well
1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened.
2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play.
3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you.

On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:


With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.

Well in my opinion, this is how it went down:

- He asks why ExO is being overly defensive.
- I call ExO anti-town.
- He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive.
- I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions.
- He denies claiming this.
- I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix"

This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that.

That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea.

This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy.

It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target.

So yeah, discuss and all that.

On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote:


Yes, this is pretty much my 3). I fully agree with you here.

Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town.
From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif.
He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy....

Overall... Not liking it.
But let's wait for NU to explain himself.

On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:


Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.

On November 03 2016 04:40 Calix wrote:
Man, having everyone be a bunch of slow-pokes with typing is making me bored. I'm just going to vote now.

##vote NeverUnlucky

On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote:
As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that.

As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1.

Boring.

On November 03 2016 06:22 Calix wrote:


Using personal information to insult others is classless.

On November 03 2016 05:57 mahrgell wrote:
@NU I'm fine with that explanation. I agree with Calix that the way you worded it, you put those words in his mouth and agreed with them. Then again, I guess we can file this under misunderstanding for now. And I generally appreciate your stated goal to make things more civil. So continue doing so.

How is your opinion on what happened in your afk time?
How you judge Foreman, Exo, Calix, Skynx? darthfoley had only one post, not sure you would want to read anything.

And well... if you have questions for me... fire away.

On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote:


As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess.

Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle.

On November 03 2016 06:09 Calix wrote:


You are trying to claim that a performance in a turbo game is representative of longer-term games. A SINGLE turbo game at that. Given that you admitted yourself that they aren't the same prior to this game, this statement makes no sense for you to make now. You do NOT have a meta of 'power wolfing'. 100% bullshit.

Second paragraph has been noted. Why didn't you say that in the pre-game though?

False equivalence. I made a claim with my thought process explained, was given information that contradicted it and realised my claim was void. You specifically noted that I 'agreed' with you and have not told us why you thought that to begin with.

You're refraining from bashing me. Apparently you're refraining from countering the accusation properly as well.

On November 03 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:


From what I can tell, he's saying that 'it was a mistake' (aka, it should be dismissed)

(I'm considering that part of his defense NAI)

Call me stupid but I don't see what his liking for using logical fallacies has to do with this point.

On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote:


How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix?

On November 03 2016 06:35 Foreman wrote:


If you're saying you don't equivocate illogical with scummy, them I'm wrong in my interpretation and that actually strengthens Calix's case imho.

On November 03 2016 07:00 Calix wrote:


Are you really doing this, NU?

You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic.

Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit.

I'm even more confident in my vote.

On November 03 2016 07:02 Calix wrote:
NU has become a full-on scum-read for me. He's using completely different reasoning in his response to me between different games.

That's not him 'changing his mind' - that is a major flip!

On November 03 2016 07:04 Calix wrote:


By this, I mean that I made a (poor) case against him in CM (last game) and although even I said that my case sucked, he still town-read me without doubt and defended me against HF when he said 'lol Calix you're attacking someone you think is an easy read'.

This round I do pretty much the same thing (with making a case) and his response is to scum-read me for it because 'no way are you this bad with voting for someone you used to claim was an easy read'

Vote NU.

On November 03 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:
Only other thing I can think of I care to comment on atm is that Calix's push on NU seems to mostly be based on him implying she said stuff she didn't. Doesn't sway me at all, unless I missed some better reasons.

On November 03 2016 07:15 Calix wrote:


ATE.

On November 03 2016 07:21 Tictock wrote:


Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone?

I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim.

Also VT's claim VT all the time.

On November 03 2016 07:23 Calix wrote:


Appeal to Emotion.

Your push is contradicting your play and reasoning last game. End of discussion.

Continue shitting up the thread with your temper tantrums instead of doing anything productive like I told you to do. I'm sure that'll help your case.

Instead of whining, do anything else. Leave the thread if you're that much of a cry-baby.

On November 03 2016 07:27 Calix wrote:


Policy lynch.

On November 03 2016 07:30 mahrgell wrote:


Then ignore her for the moment and talk about the rest of the game.
Foreman is accusing me, I'm accusing Foreman. Others have chimed in. Maybe they have said suspicious things too? Does anyone look like hes sheeping? Let's not pretend there is nothing to talk about outside of Calix vs NU.

On November 03 2016 07:33 Calix wrote:
In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it.

On November 03 2016 07:42 mahrgell wrote:

How about the last point, the quote about Exo? Yes, everything before were just small notes in my head, adding up. But this post (and repeating it again on the next page, is he trying to force a blueclaim?) is just really disturbing me. The fact that his tldr of my post also ignored that point doesn't help him.

On November 03 2016 03:36 ExO_ wrote:


You cannot claim I'm being anti-town and then back away from it saying I'm not being pro scum

anti-town=pro scum

And how is this anti-town behavior anyway?

You're 100% scum and you messed up already. ez game

On November 03 2016 07:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Here, do this little exercise for me: Point out 2 contradictions I've made this game. Apparently I have made numerous, it should not be too hard.

On November 03 2016 08:03 Calix wrote:
I've never seen you - or anyone else - use it in that context before. Provide evidence that you have and I'll go away.

On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:
3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you.

On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote:
Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town.
From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif.
He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy....

Overall... Not liking it.
But let's wait for NU to explain himself.

On November 03 2016 07:26 mahrgell wrote:
I initially agreed with Calix that he implied an opinion on Calix she didn't post before. This has been discussed enough. Nontheless I accepted his explanation about it, keeping the minor point against him noted. Him trying to create a positive atmosphere is something I value highly. Now Calix seemed to go completely overboard in tunnel mode, and I honestly cried on the inside about her points. But it were NU's answers who were supposed to destroy Calix points, which brought me back onto him.
First he mentioned how he loves to powerwolf, winning 1v7 etc... Well... So basically his explanation for his initial misstep was devalued by that. Assuming he tries to balance his towngame against his mafiagame, not yet conclusive. But the doubt was increasing.

Next was his vote on Calix. Seriously, he had absolutely no case here. Now you may tell me again, NU loves frustration voting. Okay. But I consider it a bad trait. NU, stop it or you will probably never get towncred with me. This isn't really advancing the game. If you consider Calix to spout nonsense, either make a proper case or ignore her and talk about what you have noticed with others.

Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice.

On November 03 2016 09:16 Calix wrote:
I wish Rels would pop up soon. It'll be easier to figure out the bigger picture then.

I'm not sure wherever Skynx/ ExO/ NU are being shitters because they're bad or because they're mafia as it stands.

As it stands, I'm probably going to end up voting within those three at the moment. I'm more inclined to hit a low-poster on D1 so I can be convinced to switch from NU for that reasoning alone.

On November 03 2016 09:28 darthfoley wrote:


Yea I know, but it doesn't make sense from any alignment imo. The existence of the scum chat kinda nulls this point, but I thought it's at least worth pointing out. I remember in previous mafia games I've played on TL, people made a big deal out of "slips" like that

On November 03 2016 09:32 Calix wrote:


Good.

Moving onto relevant matters, I didn't completely hate the last half of your wall-post.

Saying it's for town cred is indicative of a manipulative mindset where he can change his mind at any time. AKA it's insincere. That's how I interpreted that post.

Last quote is also not terrible.

On November 03 2016 10:06 mahrgell wrote:
I hate you all, now I missed the Habs game already nearing the end of the 2nd period.

On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote:

- read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it.
But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there.



Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot.
But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho:
a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional
b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip.

If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours.

On November 03 2016 10:23 darthfoley wrote:
Mahrgell I've already voiced my displeasure with the amount of salty shitposting from people today, especially between Calix and NU. So much OMGUS

On November 03 2016 11:24 mahrgell wrote:


Is this vote as serious as your last 2? Or now really based on the points made here? I should probably read Exos filter again...


Anyway... Habs game over, I can sleep now ^.^ Whoever feels throwing questions at me, go ahead, I will answer later.

On November 03 2016 18:23 Calix wrote:
Here's what I read out of the few overnight posts.

With regards to mahrgell, I'm starting to get a lean-town read on him. This is mainly because his responses have themes of "I'm approaching XYZ from both perspectives" and "I'm trying to encourage a positive town atmosphere".

Is this something that scum can do? Sure. He could be thread-policing, but I don't see how this actually furthers a scum agenda in his case. Scum want chaos, not an orderly atmosphere. The only thing that he's done that can be read in that light is his cases (due to their quality) but if he's been making cases to sow doubt then he's been doing a piss-poor job of making that happen.

Going back to the stances he has taken, I feel like he has been very persistent with this line of reasoning so far (even if his reasoning is strange/ unfocused) and even though I find him hard to understand at times, there's some consistency in the logic that he uses.

All that said, I'll reread his filter with these points in mind to see if he contradicts my view of him anywhere/ check the intent behind his cases.



If you must know, I am of the female persuasion but don't sweat it if you call me a 'he'.

Question. When exactly did you 'stop thinking [I] was scum'?

How were my responses townie? I'd like to know. Your lack of elaboration here + thread consensus that I am town = suspicions that you are following thread sentiment with your shift in how you read me.

Your argument was full of holes which have already been pointed out, however. Few scum would hop onto my wagon using your reasoning.

(As a matter of fact, nobody did. Foreman claimed that I was 'tryhard' while NU had that atrocious meta-vote)

On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote:
Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO.

TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong.

Anyway, this:

##vote mahrgell

On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:

This makes ExO very likely town

On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it.

On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:

1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.

On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:


Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads.

What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly?

On November 03 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:
mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum.

On November 03 2016 22:09 Calix wrote:


He has two.

Go onto SC2Mafia and look in the archived S-FMs. His first one is Politico, his second one has some stupidly long name related to 'the game of spies'

He is trying to improve his scum game, however. He's been lynched first on both occasions so he needs to.

On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.

I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.

Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.

Haven't read Rels yet.

Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.

On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?

##Vote: NeverUnlucky

On November 03 2016 22:20 Skynx wrote:

Thanks for "pushing the game forward". You are really good at it.

On November 03 2016 22:19 Rels wrote:

Thanks. So that's the turbo game you and Calix were talking about at the point in the thread I'm at.
Doesn't seem super impressive to me, only short posts and not a lot of fighting. Apparently your tone was aggressive and that is off-meta for you ? But you didn't really fight with other people.

On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:


It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid)

I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.

On November 03 2016 21:42 Calix wrote:


There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so.

I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being.

On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:


With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.

On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:


Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.

I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.

I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.

On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:


Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.

I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.

I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.

On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote:
As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that.

As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1.

Boring.

On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.



I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy



I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

On November 04 2016 01:44 darthfoley wrote:


I don't understand what this post is trying to imply

On November 03 2016 08:35 darthfoley wrote:


Why on earth would you bring up discussion of blues on D1, even if that's what you thought?

On November 04 2016 01:55 mahrgell wrote:


Back again now. I at first just wanted to answer skynx post about me. You want me to answer the rest of skynx post? or anything else?

On November 04 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote:


Sure

I think Foreman is most town to me.

My pyramid thing would go something like this

Town
Foreman
NU, Calix, Skynx
Rels
mahrgell, ExO, TT
Mafia

I have Rels null because he's yet to really engage the thread besides an early read pyramid. I want to hear why he "hated" my post, among other things.

Can I get Calix's and your opinion of each other? I'm pretty sure you are townreading each other, yet continue to bicker and harp on the same points. I'd also like to hear what you think of Ticktock

On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote:
I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.

Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.

On November 04 2016 02:43 Calix wrote:


If you got "Calix and NU town-read each other" and "bicker and harp on the same points" at this point in time from us then you haven't been reading.

I think he's mafia. I'm currently ignoring him until I'm prepared to re-evaluate him since he might just be a shitter. As you may have gathered, it's difficult for either of us to form an impartial read on the other.

Also he irritates me and I'd rather play the game without dealing with that.

On November 04 2016 02:43 Calix wrote:


If you got "Calix and NU town-read each other" and "bicker and harp on the same points" at this point in time from us then you haven't been reading.

I think he's mafia. I'm currently ignoring him until I'm prepared to re-evaluate him since he might just be a shitter. As you may have gathered, it's difficult for either of us to form an impartial read on the other.

Also he irritates me and I'd rather play the game without dealing with that.

On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:


It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid)

I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.

On November 03 2016 21:42 Calix wrote:


There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so.

I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being.

On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:


With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.

On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:


Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.

I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.

I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.

On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:


Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia.

I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.

I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.

On November 04 2016 02:59 mahrgell wrote:
is NU just reposting his old posts?

On November 04 2016 02:59 Tictock wrote:


NU, I suggest you actually do the same thing as Calix said she was doing.

Take a step back, go do something else. Come back to the game and ignore Calix for a bit.

Re-evaluate when you are less likely to jump on the OMGUS train or just stay confirm biased.

Right now you are just blowing up every little thing you take issue with and are warping what was said to fit your thinking.

Calis didn't say "I think he's mafia, so I will ignore the posts he makes that could make me think he's town." she basically said, "I think he's mafia but I want to ignore his posts for now so I can evaluate him later more objectively"

Like I've said a couple of times already the two of you get so riled up over how you treat each other it makes half of what you say meaningless.

On November 04 2016 03:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Don't give a shit. She makes a shitty case, I make a very decent response, and she doesn't even read it /acknowledge it while I was stuck having to deal with the shit she gave me.

On November 04 2016 03:05 darthfoley wrote:
Best scum team 2k16 NU Calix

On November 04 2016 03:06 Calix wrote:
TT, I appreciate the attempt to knock some sense into NU but he's not going to give up so I would just recommend talking about something else. If he continues acting like that then he can be policy-lynched.

He's too selfish to consider that he's making the game less pleasant for the others by spamming so it's a wasted effort.

On November 04 2016 03:08 darthfoley wrote:


Find it really weird how you're up in arms over her super scummy behavior yet you town read her

On November 04 2016 03:18 cakepie wrote:
[reserved]

On November 04 2016 03:40 Tictock wrote:


This post is actually a pretty decent reason to consider Foreman town.

Scum pretty rarely question why people townread them, it's kinda counter productive for them.

It's obv not foolpoof, but I'm finding myself considering Foreman more and more towny.

On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.

On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote:


Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit?

please.

Lynch TT its so obvious at this point

On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Sure. c: One more /in.

This is what is going to happen this game:

1. I will roll town.
2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!"
3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry.
4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel.
5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation.
6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him.
7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk.
8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus :
9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die.

On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote:


Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit

On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote:


Are you serious? lol.

Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break

On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.

On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote:


If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up.

Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today

On November 04 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:
I am not convinced that Rels is town. I don't think he's posted anything that's out of his scum range.

But I can't say with a straight face that I think he's scum either. I just think that everyone else is townier than he is and thus he's more likely to be scum. Therefore he is the best vote.

Sadly I can't convince anyone with that logic because that requires everyone else to town-read people like I am doing and that's not happening.