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On October 30 2016 03:36 Calix wrote: You should try reliving the glory days of Waffle Boy sometime  ![[image loading]](http://www.waffle-on.com/uploads/3/9/0/9/3909401/6451491.png) Waffle Boy is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve. On October 30 2016 04:54 Calix wrote: Not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that NU meant that he wanted an excuse to shit-post  NU needs not excuses to shitpost. | ||
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On October 30 2016 12:02 cakepie wrote: Don't you have another place to shitpost? Like the next 1k post quota to fill? =Þ Shitposting here doesn't prevent me from shitposting there.  + Show Spoiler + Besides posts in that thread don't add up to my post count. Shame. | ||
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On October 30 2016 12:03 mahrgell wrote: was this your first question in his ama? :D Oh, snap, I remember you from the hockey thread. How close do you follow the NHL from Deutschland? What's your favorite team? | ||
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Perfect opportunity for Waffle Boy to make a return. Also, I am fine with the deadline. | ||
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This is what is going to happen this game: 1. I will roll town. 2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!" 3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry. 4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel. 5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation. 6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him. 7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk. 8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus : 9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die. | ||
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It's like saying Cali will roll mafmaf because she complained about setups being town favoured. | ||
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On October 31 2016 22:01 mahrgell wrote: When NU wrote in #4 about "good read" all he meant was "start a 20 page shouting duel with Calix, with both calling each other names, so that all other players get dazed and just want to hide from the thread". Which in the end always benefits scum. Having them in the same game seems to always benefit scum, no matter which roles they roll. #prayforrollingscum #scumOP The problem with that meta is, that they both have to hold this up, as this is their typical townie meta. If they were not yelling at each other, this would strongly hint at them being scum. How do you know all of this? o.o | ||
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Day 1 we sheep or kill margey. | ||
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Agreed. Let's have a truce this game. (unless you roll mafia) | ||
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But, yeah, he does look like an interesting subject. I think I'll give him the second role in the NU show and downgrade you to an extra. | ||
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You ought to stop taking everything so seriously, seriously. That obviously was a trivial post. | ||
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On November 01 2016 01:51 Calix wrote: You're missing the point. But since you won't get it, I'd say that hyper-focusing on me in HM 3 was also an example since you scum-read me based on the stupidest shit and when I flipped town, immediately concluded that "Calix is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO META-READ GUISE" Which isn't entirely wrong but the reasoning sucks. I am curious as to how mahrgell concluded that we're opposites though. I hope he expands on that point. wtf are you saying | ||
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On November 01 2016 10:54 ExO_ wrote: I've decided for day 1 btw I'm going to communicate almost soley with pictures. Please don't take it to be alignment indicative ok + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/1M9fmo1WAFVK0.gif) | ||
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and at least wrap the gifs in spoilers | ||
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Make it start today. | ||
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On November 01 2016 10:54 ExO_ wrote: I've decided for day 1 btw I'm going to communicate almost soley with pictures. Please don't take it to be alignment indicative I'm policy lynching this by the way. | ||
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I'm also putting a lot of pressure on darthfoley's shoulders to ##WatchWarmly by 2PM EDT. | ||
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On November 02 2016 17:49 ptmc wrote: /in, if no one who actually has time to play wants to take the last spot. Please lynch NU and calix early so that i don't have to read too much. No worries, mate. It's the busy variant of NU you'll get to play with this game. Not thread-shitter NU. | ||
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On October 04 2016 06:50 Palmar wrote: rolled town, don't have to do shit | ||
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Source: Complex NU algorithm. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there. On November 03 2016 03:01 Calix wrote: First the worst | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Seems illogical for town to claim first post. Seems illogical for town to communicate via gifs. How is posting gifs after claiming a role illogical though? | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote: You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment That was shade. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote: You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment Why so defensive, mate? :< "Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang. mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c: | ||
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I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy! Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. | ||
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Your posts are defensive because you reply with questions and stuff. I've to go for around 2 hours. Tone down the agressivity please! | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote: Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote: I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Remember when you coached in that newbie game? I tried to be town's leader and create a positive atmosphere for everyone to participate. Yeah? Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to do here to. That's where the weird tone (It's even weird to me) comes from. If you want me to reiterate/put in other words what I said early on, I'd say that I don't like your "tap" on ExO, and don't like neither ExO nor you. I'll be obvious town, don't worry c: | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote: Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. 3) I am not attempting to buddy Calix at all right now. You read CTM, you know how I interact with her when I town-read her. I did not mean to pretend she shared my point on ExO nor did I mean to "appease" Calix. Such thing is impossible. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote: With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote: Yes, this is pretty much my 3). I fully agree with you here. Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town. From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif. He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy.... Overall... Not liking it. But let's wait for NU to explain himself. I don't make excuses for my play. I am really going to be busy until Nov 7. Calix can confirm that I mentioned this in the Dota 2 Obs QT. Busy NU is still more active than most people around here, so it should not be a problem. I don't understand what you are pushing when you bring up my ExO vote and my being busy. My attitude was calm. What made you think otherwise? I am still on ExO though. I will change my vote sometime because he seems to have stopped posting gifs (Page 9 anyways), and that was the reason I was voting him for. "He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy...." I really don't understand why you posted this. You are not bringing anything to the table by doing so. It looks pretty scummy to me. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote: Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it. That is anti-town, dude. As bad and as incorrect as her post on me is, you cannot have this attitude towards her, especially 2 hours into the game. I'm reading this as buddying. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:40 Calix wrote: Man, having everyone be a bunch of slow-pokes with typing is making me bored. I'm just going to vote now. ##vote NeverUnlucky I would expect literature students to be better readers. Guess not. | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote: As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that. As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1. Boring. Good, Calix's first town-tell. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:22 Calix wrote: Using personal information to insult others is classless. It was banter. Thought you'd laugh. :/ | ||
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On November 03 2016 05:57 mahrgell wrote: @NU I'm fine with that explanation. I agree with Calix that the way you worded it, you put those words in his mouth and agreed with them. Then again, I guess we can file this under misunderstanding for now. And I generally appreciate your stated goal to make things more civil. So continue doing so. How is your opinion on what happened in your afk time? How you judge Foreman, Exo, Calix, Skynx? darthfoley had only one post, not sure you would want to read anything. And well... if you have questions for me... fire away. I've skimmed 11-13 because it was "This is NAI" and "No, it's not, read my NU case" talk. My honest opinion on what happened so far would be: boring. I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you. And I appreciated darthfoley's one post. That's about how my read look like. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:08 Foreman wrote: As I already said, NU appears to me to equivocate logical fallacy with scumminess. Reread his post with the mindset of using one as a synonym for the other and his mindset is more clear, even if I do disagree with the principle. Mhh? That's 100% Calix you're describing here. I rarely if ever read people based on logic. What made you think that? | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:09 Calix wrote: You are trying to claim that a performance in a turbo game is representative of longer-term games. A SINGLE turbo game at that. Given that you admitted yourself that they aren't the same prior to this game, this statement makes no sense for you to make now. You do NOT have a meta of 'power wolfing'. 100% bullshit. Second paragraph has been noted. Why didn't you say that in the pre-game though? False equivalence. I made a claim with my thought process explained, was given information that contradicted it and realised my claim was void. You specifically noted that I 'agreed' with you and have not told us why you thought that to begin with. You're refraining from bashing me. Apparently you're refraining from countering the accusation properly as well. If I pulled off a 1v7 as mafia while Power Wolfing, why the FUCK would I change my scum meta? There's no bullshit in that claim whatsoever. If I were to roll scum, it was in my interest to keep this window of shitting up the thread open, and for other reasons that cannot be discussed here. I have explained that post already. If only there was a valid accusation to counter. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:12 Calix wrote: From what I can tell, he's saying that 'it was a mistake' (aka, it should be dismissed) (I'm considering that part of his defense NAI) Call me stupid but I don't see what his liking for using logical fallacies has to do with this point. You're misrepresenting me so much this game. I never said or inferred that this point should be dismissed. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote: How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix? Mahrgell is willing to take step back from his pushes while Calix is seemingly trying to get me stuck in the past and not backing off, instead worsening her already god awful push. | ||
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On November 03 2016 06:35 Foreman wrote: If you're saying you don't equivocate illogical with scummy, them I'm wrong in my interpretation and that actually strengthens Calix's case imho. Calix's case which you did not read. Ha. | ||
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##Vote Calix She cannot believe this strongly that I am scum because of that one post, she who claims I am an easy read for her. | ||
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His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:00 Calix wrote: Are you really doing this, NU? You have the entirety of CM where I tunneled you on multiple occasions (causing a TvT) and you're trying to use that argument again? I am not even tunneling you this round so you are being extremely inconsistent with your logic. Your 'argument' can be so easily disproved that I'm concluding that you're full of shit. I'm even more confident in my vote. You're voting me based on 1 post for which I debunked everything. Yes, in CM I KNEW you were town. You were obvious town. You're suggesting that this is a TvT again or that I am town?? I don't understand that point. Where am I being inconsistent? I am actually so mad at you for this whole SHITTY push. You're preventing me from playing my game by digging me a hole and making me mad. You fail to EVEN explain how this ONE post makes me scum. Can you not see that your 'case' is shit? You've spent 2 pages shitting up the thread by asking other to look at it and nobody but mahr agreed with it (And mahr isn't even voting me). Isn't that a giant "I AM TUNNELING YET AGAIN" flag? You have a coach, Jesus, use him. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:02 Calix wrote: NU has become a full-on scum-read for me. He's using completely different reasoning in his response to me between different games. That's not him 'changing his mind' - that is a major flip! I want to lynch you IRL. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:04 Calix wrote: By this, I mean that I made a (poor) case against him in CM (last game) and although even I said that my case sucked, he still town-read me without doubt and defended me against HF when he said 'lol Calix you're attacking someone you think is an easy read'. This round I do pretty much the same thing (with making a case) and his response is to scum-read me for it because 'no way are you this bad with voting for someone you used to claim was an easy read' Vote NU. WTF I DID NOT TOWN-READ YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR CASE IN CM. That is just straight out wrong. Plus GOOD JOB of not taking into consideration any sort of context when bringing up arguments, well done. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: Only other thing I can think of I care to comment on atm is that Calix's push on NU seems to mostly be based on him implying she said stuff she didn't. Doesn't sway me at all, unless I missed some better reasons. WEOOO WEOOO YOUR CASE IS BAD WEOO WEOO WAKE UP CALIX | ||
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0 response to a wall post. Nice, nice. What's ATE? | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:21 Tictock wrote: Lol are you making it a point to put words in people's mouth or did you mix me up with someone? I don't think I said anything about Exo's shitty VT claim. Also VT's claim VT all the time. I said I agreed with the points you made PLUS I don't buy his VT claim. | ||
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But then I would have to explain myself, so I'll just keep pretending I scum-read her. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:23 Calix wrote: Appeal to Emotion. Your push is contradicting your play and reasoning last game. End of discussion. Continue shitting up the thread with your temper tantrums instead of doing anything productive like I told you to do. I'm sure that'll help your case. Instead of whining, do anything else. Leave the thread if you're that much of a cry-baby. So you're meta-reading me for not playing like last game. HIPOCRISY MUCH? I have 0 intent on contributing anything right now, and I don't think that'll change in the following days. | ||
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Do me a favor. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:30 mahrgell wrote: Then ignore her for the moment and talk about the rest of the game. Foreman is accusing me, I'm accusing Foreman. Others have chimed in. Maybe they have said suspicious things too? Does anyone look like hes sheeping? Let's not pretend there is nothing to talk about outside of Calix vs NU. Perhaps another time. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:33 Calix wrote: In fact, looking at mahrgells' case again, I'm having a hard time thinking that he actually scum-reads NU. Nothing he says is actually that scummy when casing him. He just sounds so unsure of himself that it demotivates me just to look at it. The TLDR is that he scum-reads me because he doesn't like my responses (Of course responses to a shitty case won't be great) and because I voted you. | ||
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If anything, being pushed by Calix should make you guys think I'm town. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:42 mahrgell wrote: How about the last point, the quote about Exo? Yes, everything before were just small notes in my head, adding up. But this post (and repeating it again on the next page, is he trying to force a blueclaim?) is just really disturbing me. The fact that his tldr of my post also ignored that point doesn't help him. I cannot argue with illogical post, sorry. | ||
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On November 03 2016 03:36 ExO_ wrote: You cannot claim I'm being anti-town and then back away from it saying I'm not being pro scum anti-town=pro scum And how is this anti-town behavior anyway? You're 100% scum and you messed up already. ez game This. | ||
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Here, do this little exercise for me: Point out 2 contradictions I've made this game. Apparently I have made numerous, it should not be too hard. Yes, I am still voting you despite town-reading you. Deal with it. | ||
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On November 03 2016 07:59 NeverUnlucky wrote: Here, do this little exercise for me: Point out 2 contradictions I've made this game. Apparently I have made numerous, it should not be too hard. | ||
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On November 03 2016 08:03 Calix wrote: I've never seen you - or anyone else - use it in that context before. Provide evidence that you have and I'll go away. I never have used it before in any context. | ||
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On an unrelated note, Habs are playing tonight. | ||
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Lean town: Clix Null: Skynx, Foreman, Rels, mahr Scum: ExO | ||
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I am mafia because: On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote: 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. ... I "buddied" Calix... That was not buddying at all. If anything, you're the one who's buddying both me and Calix. This whole argument also has been debunked. On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote: Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town. From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif. He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy.... Overall... Not liking it. But let's wait for NU to explain himself. ... I voted ExO... I am not really sure if you are using this as an argument to scum-read me as your post really lacks a conclusion. But I did as I said. If ExO posted gifs, I was going to PL him. He posted one gif, I voted him. Now he stopped, my vote's not on him anymore (though I have reasons to switch back to him). On November 03 2016 07:26 mahrgell wrote: I initially agreed with Calix that he implied an opinion on Calix she didn't post before. This has been discussed enough. Nontheless I accepted his explanation about it, keeping the minor point against him noted. Him trying to create a positive atmosphere is something I value highly. Now Calix seemed to go completely overboard in tunnel mode, and I honestly cried on the inside about her points. But it were NU's answers who were supposed to destroy Calix points, which brought me back onto him. First he mentioned how he loves to powerwolf, winning 1v7 etc... Well... So basically his explanation for his initial misstep was devalued by that. Assuming he tries to balance his towngame against his mafiagame, not yet conclusive. But the doubt was increasing. ... because [argument I don't understand]... I rekt that game. 1v7 clutch win. Next was his vote on Calix. Seriously, he had absolutely no case here. Now you may tell me again, NU loves frustration voting. Okay. But I consider it a bad trait. NU, stop it or you will probably never get towncred with me. This isn't really advancing the game. If you consider Calix to spout nonsense, either make a proper case or ignore her and talk about what you have noticed with others. ... because I voted Calix and he considers it a bad trait... Why would I want to have town-cred with him? Why would my actions be motivated by town-cred? I can't put my finger on why I find this to be super scummy, but, uh, I find it super scummy. Also, him considering a part of my play a bad trait is not an argument for me to be scum. Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice. ... and because I alluded to ExO possibly being blue. Notice how he says that I am a townie aka he knows I am town while scum-reading me? This is spewing. Also, he fails to explain how this makes me scum. He says that my post wasn't smart, which I agree with, but doesn't say that it makes me scum. Scum would have that blue talk in their respective QT, yes, I made a mistake by alluding to this possibility, but it really doesn't make me scum. All in all, I really don't like the reasons why mahr claims to scum-read me. None are valid scum-tells. He also calls me a townie while scum-reading me which suggests that he knows my alignment. | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:16 Calix wrote: I wish Rels would pop up soon. It'll be easier to figure out the bigger picture then. I'm not sure wherever Skynx/ ExO/ NU are being shitters because they're bad or because they're mafia as it stands. As it stands, I'm probably going to end up voting within those three at the moment. I'm more inclined to hit a low-poster on D1 so I can be convinced to switch from NU for that reasoning alone. I'm being a shitter because bad players are scum-reading me for bad reasons, and I am not having fun. | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:28 darthfoley wrote: Yea I know, but it doesn't make sense from any alignment imo. The existence of the scum chat kinda nulls this point, but I thought it's at least worth pointing out. I remember in previous mafia games I've played on TL, people made a big deal out of "slips" like that I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal out of this. It is a mistake, I admit, but if I took out the "or he is blue" part of my post, the post would have had the exact same meaning, and I wouldn't have got shit for it. Saying I don't believe his VT claim is essentially saying I think he's blue or mafia. I worded the assumptions lying behind that post, t's all. | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:32 Calix wrote: Good. Moving onto relevant matters, I didn't completely hate the last half of your wall-post. Saying it's for town cred is indicative of a manipulative mindset where he can change his mind at any time. AKA it's insincere. That's how I interpreted that post. Last quote is also not terrible. Despite all that, I don't yet feel confident calling him scum. I feel confident calling him bad though. | ||
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On November 03 2016 10:06 mahrgell wrote: I hate you all, now I missed the Habs game  already nearing the end of the 2nd period.No worries, it's a typical Habs game. Get outshot 21-4 in the first 30 minutes, still have a lead after the second period. Carey Price stuff. | ||
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On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote: - read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it. But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there. Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot. But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho: a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip. If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours. There was no grammar-twist in there. When does someone that's not SilverWolf17 ever claim blue <6 hours into the game? How is a) even foreseeable? b) doesn't make sense in the context of what happened. Like, after all these posts regarding me, you have 1 legitimate reason to scum-read me for, and that's the one about me "buddying" Calix. I have proven it wrong. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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Poll: Is mahrgell scum? Yes. (3) All of the above. (3) Null-read / Not sure. (1) No. (0) 7 total votes Your vote: Is mahrgell scum? (Vote): Yes. this site is slow af | ||
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On November 03 2016 10:23 darthfoley wrote: Mahrgell I've already voiced my displeasure with the amount of salty shitposting from people today, especially between Calix and NU. So much OMGUS You know my name, not my story. | ||
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On November 03 2016 11:24 mahrgell wrote: Is this vote as serious as your last 2? Or now really based on the points made here? I should probably read Exos filter again... Anyway... Habs game over, I can sleep now ^.^ Whoever feels throwing questions at me, go ahead, I will answer later. All my votes were serious. | ||
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On November 03 2016 18:23 Calix wrote: Here's what I read out of the few overnight posts. With regards to mahrgell, I'm starting to get a lean-town read on him. This is mainly because his responses have themes of "I'm approaching XYZ from both perspectives" and "I'm trying to encourage a positive town atmosphere". Is this something that scum can do? Sure. He could be thread-policing, but I don't see how this actually furthers a scum agenda in his case. Scum want chaos, not an orderly atmosphere. The only thing that he's done that can be read in that light is his cases (due to their quality) but if he's been making cases to sow doubt then he's been doing a piss-poor job of making that happen. Going back to the stances he has taken, I feel like he has been very persistent with this line of reasoning so far (even if his reasoning is strange/ unfocused) and even though I find him hard to understand at times, there's some consistency in the logic that he uses. All that said, I'll reread his filter with these points in mind to see if he contradicts my view of him anywhere/ check the intent behind his cases. If you must know, I am of the female persuasion but don't sweat it if you call me a 'he'. Question. When exactly did you 'stop thinking [I] was scum'? How were my responses townie? I'd like to know. Your lack of elaboration here + thread consensus that I am town = suspicions that you are following thread sentiment with your shift in how you read me. Your argument was full of holes which have already been pointed out, however. Few scum would hop onto my wagon using your reasoning. (As a matter of fact, nobody did. Foreman claimed that I was 'tryhard' while NU had that atrocious meta-vote) My vote was many things, but not a meta vote. I like how you're giving mahr a town-lean for "trying to encourage a positive atmosphere" but are not giving me any credit for it. Inconsistent. | ||
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On November 03 2016 19:30 Calix wrote: Given my recent conclusion, I am moving my vote. If nothing else, I think that sorting out mahrgell/ Foreman will prove to be illuminating. I would like to hear more about those two in particular from Skynx and ExO. TT has already made it clear that he considers mahrgell 'a top town' and Foreman mafia while NU scum-reads mahrgell. Not so sure on his Foreman read although I'm inferring it's a town-read so he's welcome to elaborate there if I'm wrong. Anyway, this: ##vote mahrgell Foreman's a null-read for me. Here's what I send cakepie last night for MafiaMetric: ExO mahrgell Foreman Rels ? / Skynx Calix Tictock darthfoley | ||
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But he gets some tryhard points for reading Outlaw just to get that one meta read. mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote: #406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote: 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing. I buy this explanation. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote: Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads. What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly? Point out the inconsistency in your narrative. | ||
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On November 03 2016 21:36 NeverUnlucky wrote: mahr, summarize why Foreman and I are scum. Calix too. It's almost as you two are using mafia as a buzzword. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:09 Calix wrote: He has two. Go onto SC2Mafia and look in the archived S-FMs. His first one is Politico, his second one has some stupidly long name related to 'the game of spies' He is trying to improve his scum game, however. He's been lynched first on both occasions so he needs to. Don't think he was talking to you. He also asked for my best scum games, and those two don't fit into that category. I still don't see any argument for me to be mafia here. zzz | ||
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This looks as though you are scum-reading me because you think my scum game has improved or that you are undermining the evidence of my previous scum games to make people think I am scum. To rephrase the second part, it’s as if you were saying that these games should not be taken into consideration when meta-reading me because you know that they 100% don’t match my play this game. Superbad post. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull. I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on. Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT. Haven't read Rels yet. Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. First entry: Everything here is unproductive and bad. *Posts nothing substantial* Second entry: Everyone is bad, but drathfoley. *Posts nothing to push the game forward or anything of the sort* | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote: No voting thread? ##Vote: NeverUnlucky "Vote for the longest filter" A) Wrong vote. B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:20 Skynx wrote: Thanks for "pushing the game forward". You are really good at it. THanks, fam. I try my hardest. Could be worse. I could be a whiny bitch who appeals to emotion every time he's being voted as scum. Your scumplay deserves 0 respect. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:19 Rels wrote: Thanks. So that's the turbo game you and Calix were talking about at the point in the thread I'm at. Doesn't seem super impressive to me, only short posts and not a lot of fighting. Apparently your tone was aggressive and that is off-meta for you ? But you didn't really fight with other people. The point is I power-wolved and threw shade everywhere. I'm not doing anything of the sort here. Of course the posts were short. It is a turbo game. 18 mins/day. | ||
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In fact, she is the one who has contradicted herself the most this game. Here, she says that ignoring is anti-town for players to ignore others because it shows that they do not want to reconsider their reads and that it favors tunneling. She even says that it is something she will try to avoid doing. YET, this is EXACTLY what she does. She ignores me completely, and is not willing to ever reconsider her read on me, despite the evidence of me being town and the lack of evidence for me being scum. BIG contradiction. On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote: It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. On November 03 2016 21:42 Calix wrote: There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so. I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being. Here, she says that I am tamer when I am scum. Later, she says that my tone is abrasive and scum-reads me for it. Those are extreme opposites, and it shows another contradiction in her scum-read. On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote: With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote: Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere. I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary. I will follow this up with a response of Calix’s case summary. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote: Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere. I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary. Breaking my ‘promise’ to keep discussion civil : I have never made such a promise. It was the way I approached the game at first, trying to favor discussion by being civil. This is due to feedback I’ve received last game, and keeping a positive thread atmosphere being one of the three town leader ‘pillars’. I also do not see why you are scum-reading me for this. I had a pro-town intention at the start of the game. There is even a progression in my posts showing how I went from ‘‘let’s be nice’’ to toxic. It’s not an inconsistency if there is clear progression of my mood/tone. Flip-flopping my read on you : Fair enough, though I’m kind of always doing that, so I don’t really think it’s AI. Contradicting stances I’ve had in past town games : Re : my previous post, you claim that I’ve done such thing, but fail to ever point it out. Claiming something does not make it true. Also, how the fuck do you want me to counter this point more than this if you cannot even support your own claim? Suspecting half the players and claiming I am not throwing shade : Suspecting players =/= throwing shade???????????? Throwing shade is giving faulty/shady reasoning for one to be scum, and I have not done that this game (except for you). Once again, you fail to back-up your claim with tangible evidence. I’m not sure if you’re also saying that me suspecting half the players is scummy, but if you are : how is it scummy for town to suspect half the players less than 12 hours into the game? How is this abnormal for me? Being abrasive : Re : my previous post, this is an inconsistency on your part as you claimed that my scum play was tamer. How is me being abrasive an argument for you to sr me? If anything, it is an argument to tr judging on past games. Town did not have a semi-productive atmosphere. It was 2 pages of NU is scum, and rhetorical NAI vs AI talk. That’s not productive. | ||
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Read at your own risks. + Show Spoiler + Yesterday, I skipped a class just to play mafia (not knowing that Calix was going to be a piss-off). Here is my schedule : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JycHut4.png) As you can see, I posted multiple times between 4 :30 – 6 :30 PM, hours in which I should have been in class. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 05:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh ha! I'm back ^^ Remember when you coached in that newbie game? I tried to be town's leader and create a positive atmosphere for everyone to participate. Yeah? Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to do here to. That's where the weird tone (It's even weird to me) comes from. If you want me to reiterate/put in other words what I said early on, I'd say that I don't like your "tap" on ExO, and don't like neither ExO nor you. I'll be obvious town, don't worry c: On November 03 2016 05:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: 3) I am not attempting to buddy Calix at all right now. You read CTM, you know how I interact with her when I town-read her. I did not mean to pretend she shared my point on ExO nor did I mean to "appease" Calix. Such thing is impossible. On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? On November 03 2016 06:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't make excuses for my play. I am really going to be busy until Nov 7. Calix can confirm that I mentioned this in the Dota 2 Obs QT. Busy NU is still more active than most people around here, so it should not be a problem. I don't understand what you are pushing when you bring up my ExO vote and my being busy. My attitude was calm. What made you think otherwise? I am still on ExO though. I will change my vote sometime because he seems to have stopped posting gifs (Page 9 anyways), and that was the reason I was voting him for. "He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy...." I really don't understand why you posted this. You are not bringing anything to the table by doing so. It looks pretty scummy to me. Etc. I would not have skipped class if I had rolled mafia is what I’m saying. :3 | ||
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On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote: As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that. As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1. Boring. You are tunneling a town and restraining said town from being productive. You're not getting killed if you are town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 01:22 darthfoley wrote: I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!" On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote: - read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it. But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there. Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot. But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho: a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip. If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours. | ||
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Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain. On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote: Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting. I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif. Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI? Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think. However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post. I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical. Mind meld. Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama Foreman did not write off Calix ._. He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz Obviously no post will scream scum. Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes. Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless? I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away I can see why you hated it. | ||
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On November 04 2016 01:44 darthfoley wrote: I don't understand what this post is trying to imply You called me out for something you did. Hypocrite. | ||
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On November 03 2016 08:35 darthfoley wrote: Why on earth would you bring up discussion of blues on D1, even if that's what you thought? | ||
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On November 04 2016 01:55 mahrgell wrote: Back again now. I at first just wanted to answer skynx post about me. You want me to answer the rest of skynx post? or anything else? I would like you to read my answers to Calix and re-adjust your read if applicable. ^^ | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote: Sure I think Foreman is most town to me. My pyramid thing would go something like this Town Foreman NU, Calix, Skynx Rels mahrgell, ExO, TT Mafia I have Rels null because he's yet to really engage the thread besides an early read pyramid. I want to hear why he "hated" my post, among other things. Can I get Calix's and your opinion of each other? I'm pretty sure you are townreading each other, yet continue to bicker and harp on the same points. I'd also like to hear what you think of Ticktock I town-read Calix, but I think she still scum-reads me. Me thinks he is town mostly because I agreed fully on his ExO case (#292). He made some other good posts, I could quote them if you care. but + Show Spoiler + I find it weird that he had FM as lock-scum just 4 hours into the game. On November 03 2016 06:51 Tictock wrote: Yea I did that before posting, I'm a bit confused why you went from being uber-tunneled on Calix to suddenly considering her as town. I'll be honest, I was thinking you were lock scum up till this post but it gave me pause because I consider thinking about people from both alignments is a good town trait. However your posts seem more like you are just shifting focus away from Calix to another target but your read really hasn't changed. Right now I'd stick with my initial read that you are scum and attribute this shift to being told in your QT that you are tunneling too much. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote: I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees. Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere. You have totally ignored my responses. Yes, you have fucked up. I am town, and TT is probably town too. Why are you TR Skynx other than for his comment of playing scummy? Why ExO? He said that he was pushing you to see who would join the bandwagon to push a low hanging fruit (you ??????). That's basically saying "It's a joke guise, I was trying to stir up conversation". | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:43 Calix wrote: If you got "Calix and NU town-read each other" and "bicker and harp on the same points" at this point in time from us then you haven't been reading. I think he's mafia. I'm currently ignoring him until I'm prepared to re-evaluate him since he might just be a shitter. As you may have gathered, it's difficult for either of us to form an impartial read on the other. Also he irritates me and I'd rather play the game without dealing with that. Literally all I am asking you is to read and respond to my answers. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:43 Calix wrote: If you got "Calix and NU town-read each other" and "bicker and harp on the same points" at this point in time from us then you haven't been reading. I think he's mafia. I'm currently ignoring him until I'm prepared to re-evaluate him since he might just be a shitter. As you may have gathered, it's difficult for either of us to form an impartial read on the other. Also he irritates me and I'd rather play the game without dealing with that. "I think he's mafia, so I will ignore the posts he makes that could make me think he's town." NICE. VOTE THIS. I took my time (Scarce resource for me atm) to properly respond to her shitty cases without being toxic, and that's her answer. IGNORE. | ||
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In fact, she is the one who has contradicted herself the most this game. Here, she says that ignoring is anti-town for players to ignore others because it shows that they do not want to reconsider their reads and that it favors tunneling. She even says that it is something she will try to avoid doing. YET, this is EXACTLY what she does. She ignores me completely, and is not willing to ever reconsider her read on me, despite the evidence of me being town and the lack of evidence for me being scum. BIG contradiction. On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote: It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands. On November 03 2016 21:42 Calix wrote: There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so. I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being. Here, she says that I am tamer when I am scum. Later, she says that my tone is abrasive and scum-reads me for it. Those are extreme opposites, and it shows another contradiction in her scum-read. On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote: With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote: Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere. I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary. I will follow this up with a response of Calix’s case summary. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote: Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere. I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary. Breaking my ‘promise’ to keep discussion civil : I have never made such a promise. It was the way I approached the game at first, trying to favor discussion by being civil. This is due to feedback I’ve received last game, and keeping a positive thread atmosphere being one of the three town leader ‘pillars’. I also do not see why you are scum-reading me for this. I had a pro-town intention at the start of the game. There is even a progression in my posts showing how I went from ‘‘let’s be nice’’ to toxic. It’s not an inconsistency if there is clear progression of my mood/tone. Flip-flopping my read on you : Fair enough, though I’m kind of always doing that, so I don’t really think it’s AI. Contradicting stances I’ve had in past town games : Re : my previous post, you claim that I’ve done such thing, but fail to ever point it out. Claiming something does not make it true. Also, how the fuck do you want me to counter this point more than this if you cannot even support your own claim? Suspecting half the players and claiming I am not throwing shade : Suspecting players =/= throwing shade???????????? Throwing shade is giving faulty/shady reasoning for one to be scum, and I have not done that this game (except for you). Once again, you fail to back-up your claim with tangible evidence. I’m not sure if you’re also saying that me suspecting half the players is scummy, but if you are : how is it scummy for town to suspect half the players less than 12 hours into the game? How is this abnormal for me? Being abrasive : Re : my previous post, this is an inconsistency on your part as you claimed that my scum play was tamer. How is me being abrasive an argument for you to sr me? If anything, it is an argument to tr judging on past games. Town did not have a semi-productive atmosphere. It was 2 pages of NU is scum, and rhetorical NAI vs AI talk. That’s not productive. | ||
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Read at your own risks. + Show Spoiler + Yesterday, I skipped a class just to play mafia (not knowing that Calix was going to be a piss-off). Here is my schedule : As you can see, I posted multiple times between 4 :30 – 6 :30 PM, hours in which I should have been in class. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 05:45 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh ha! I'm back ^^ Remember when you coached in that newbie game? I tried to be town's leader and create a positive atmosphere for everyone to participate. Yeah? Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to do here to. That's where the weird tone (It's even weird to me) comes from. If you want me to reiterate/put in other words what I said early on, I'd say that I don't like your "tap" on ExO, and don't like neither ExO nor you. I'll be obvious town, don't worry c: On November 03 2016 05:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: 3) I am not attempting to buddy Calix at all right now. You read CTM, you know how I interact with her when I town-read her. I did not mean to pretend she shared my point on ExO nor did I mean to "appease" Calix. Such thing is impossible. On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? On November 03 2016 06:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't make excuses for my play. I am really going to be busy until Nov 7. Calix can confirm that I mentioned this in the Dota 2 Obs QT. Busy NU is still more active than most people around here, so it should not be a problem. I don't understand what you are pushing when you bring up my ExO vote and my being busy. My attitude was calm. What made you think otherwise? I am still on ExO though. I will change my vote sometime because he seems to have stopped posting gifs (Page 9 anyways), and that was the reason I was voting him for. "He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy...." I really don't understand why you posted this. You are not bringing anything to the table by doing so. It looks pretty scummy to me. Etc. I would not have skipped class if I had rolled mafia is what I’m saying. :3 | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:59 mahrgell wrote: is NU just reposting his old posts? Yes. I will irritate Calix for the sake of it until she responds to my posts. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:59 Tictock wrote: NU, I suggest you actually do the same thing as Calix said she was doing. Take a step back, go do something else. Come back to the game and ignore Calix for a bit. Re-evaluate when you are less likely to jump on the OMGUS train or just stay confirm biased. Right now you are just blowing up every little thing you take issue with and are warping what was said to fit your thinking. Calis didn't say "I think he's mafia, so I will ignore the posts he makes that could make me think he's town." she basically said, "I think he's mafia but I want to ignore his posts for now so I can evaluate him later more objectively" Like I've said a couple of times already the two of you get so riled up over how you treat each other it makes half of what you say meaningless. Don't give a shit. She makes a shitty case, I make a very decent response, and she doesn't even read it /acknowledge it while I was stuck having to deal with the shit she gave me. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:04 NeverUnlucky wrote: Don't give a shit. She makes a shitty case, I make a very decent response, and she doesn't even read it /acknowledge it while I was stuck having to deal with the shit she gave me. I was unclear. EBWOP: I had to deal with her shitty case, I could not ignore it. She ignores my response and all that comes with it. That's not only unfair, it's also scummy as hell because she is not willing to reconsider her read WHICH SHE SAID WAS A SCUMMY BEHAVIOR. I'll make her game hell as long as I'm left ignored. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:05 darthfoley wrote: Best scum team 2k16 NU Calix Yes, exactly. Lynch her with me. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:06 Calix wrote: TT, I appreciate the attempt to knock some sense into NU but he's not going to give up so I would just recommend talking about something else. If he continues acting like that then he can be policy-lynched. He's too selfish to consider that he's making the game less pleasant for the others by spamming so it's a wasted effort. You're the one who's bringing up making the game less pleasant? I wonder what batsnacks and Drizzt have to say on that matter. You make the game fucking shit for everyone you scum-read because you and your reads are fucking garbage. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:08 darthfoley wrote: Find it really weird how you're up in arms over her super scummy behavior yet you town read her Read again. I retracted this read. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:18 cakepie wrote: [reserved] So I'm modkilled. Nice. | ||
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On November 04 2016 03:40 Tictock wrote: This post is actually a pretty decent reason to consider Foreman town. Scum pretty rarely question why people townread them, it's kinda counter productive for them. It's obv not foolpoof, but I'm finding myself considering Foreman more and more towny. I disagree with the second line as I have done that as scum before. It's a nice way to throw shade on the one town-reading the other, though I don't think that is what Foreman was doing there. Why are you finding him more and more towny? Yesterday's posts weren't as good as the ones he posted today imo. I'm curious as to why you would find him townier and townier now. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote: I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:11 ExO_ wrote: Starting a discussion is EXACTLY what town wants to do. And its exactly what I did. Implying that I wouldn't do that is town is at best misleading. What I did drew a lot of attention to me, you really think thats what I would do as scum? Instead of posting a few gifs and joking around a bit? please. Lynch TT its so obvious at this point On October 31 2016 09:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: Sure. c: One more /in. This is what is going to happen this game: 1. I will roll town. 2. Game starts; unoriginal players'll say "First confirmed town!" 3. One town will have a weird or even scummy entry. 4. Calix will tunnel said player. NeverUnlucky will have a good read on Calix based on the tunnel. 5. Said town will claim that the intent behind his entry was to stir up conversation. 6. Everyone will mock him and some will town-read him. 7. Active players’ll shitpost, lurkers’ll lurk. 8. One player will case another player who’ll become the main wagon, but the case is weak, thus : 9. People will initiate a CFD at EoD, and a town will die. 1 to 7, check. 8 and 9 to go. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:30 ExO_ wrote: Calix hasn't tunneled anyone. You're full of shit Who's not reading the game now? | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:34 ExO_ wrote: Are you serious? lol. Show me where Calix is tunneling, and not actively considering all reads and possibilities. Give me a break Pointless argument, dismissed. | ||
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On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote: I really don't understand how these two can be your top town. Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum. You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie. By the way this is the main reason why I believe that mahr rolled scum. | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote: If you're going to acuse Calix of tunneling, you better be able to back it up. Calix you Town reading NU? because if you're scum reading him I think he might be a decent lynch today Yes, I am able to back it up, but this argument is not productive. I am trying to focus on important stuff for once in hopes that my coach still has a little faith in me. And why would I be a decent lynch? | ||
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On November 04 2016 06:35 Calix wrote: I am not convinced that Rels is town. I don't think he's posted anything that's out of his scum range. But I can't say with a straight face that I think he's scum either. I just think that everyone else is townier than he is and thus he's more likely to be scum. Therefore he is the best vote. Sadly I can't convince anyone with that logic because that requires everyone else to town-read people like I am doing and that's not happening. Have you read his filter? I have, and I did not find anything compromising. It's worth noting that a good portion of his interactions were with me. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:00 Calix wrote: This is more directed at your next post, but I don't understand your argument. I'm assuming that you're talking about this, right? I don't see the incongruency. Isn't he basically saying "Skynx was useless until he posted about the votes and I agree with him that the votes are dumb and useless"? Now that I've written it out like that, that's a pretty weird thing to say since it doesn't say much at all and the way it's worded makes it sound like he slight-town-read me because I agreed that Skynx was useless. But I don't think it's inconsistent. Look at the nested quote of the first Rels quote. In there, you'll see that DF says that he agrees [with Skynx] that most of the things that had been said were NAI, that the votes and the drama have been useless, and that he agrees with everyone else that Skynx was useless outside of the vote post (Which was a one liner I did not find useful). Him going from "I agree with Skynx on this and that" to "I agree that Skynx is useless" is where is the incongruency. If he agrees with Skynx, he would find him useful, no? | ||
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So, which of my posts looked scummy? How was my entry scummy? | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:17 mahrgell wrote: Is this your thing? Trying to modconfirm yourself day1? I did not actively try to reach this status. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:17 ExO_ wrote: Not particularly. I'll be honest I didn't go back and read. It had been 18+ hours by the time I woke up today and I didn't feel like going back through it. Fabricated though? please. You don't like Foreman who "doesn't read the thread", but you don't read it yourself? Mmk. I would also like you to share which of my posts you found scummy. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:18 Calix wrote: It's really pitiful that people associate me with NU. AKA the dude who is so insecure and pathetic that he has to rely on 'mod confirms' and fucking school schedules to get town-read. It's unacceptable that people actually think that we're on the same level. Yet you town-read me for other reasons. Hence I don't rely on these two factors. What does this post do other than try to piss me off when I am actively trying not to be toxic? | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:35 Rels wrote: LOL Calix you are becoming lock town to me. Each post you make saying you hate trying to break to rule makes you more and more unlikely to have posted the bolded as scum. I agree with the conclusion, don't understand the explanation. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:43 Rels wrote: Basically I think she would think it would be dirty to lie about something host-related. So with her attitude, it is 99% the truth that she was fed up with you and almost ready to PM the hosts. And it's way more likely than she's this angry as town than as scum, 'cause as scum you are actually her best friend; townreading her and shitting up the thread at the same time; she would have no reason to be angry at you. I understand where you're coming from. However, the part you bolded was taken out of context. She said that should would take my toxicity to the hosts. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:54 Calix wrote: I've read the game that you're referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia I was looking for it for a while to compare your play, actually Is it somewhat similar to his play here? | ||
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On November 04 2016 08:26 mahrgell wrote: Okay, finished reading up on Exo. ##Vote Exo_ Writing up my reasoning in a bit. So far I have 2 more players on my todo pile: DF and Skynx. I will probably try to squeeze those in some time after sleeping and between family ^.^ Would you kindly summarize what your reads now look like? | ||
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On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote: NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon. Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU A) How would sheeping Rels' reads make me scum? B) Fact-check of borrowing my read on you from Rels: Rels' posts that apply to a scum-read: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 07:11 Rels wrote: BTW this looks fabricated too. Did you get anything out of it ? My reasoning to sr you: On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote: I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere. The only common ground is that part where you say that you were reaction-testing. Plus, Rels did not state a *clear* scum-read on you, so how can I be sheeping him?+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote: ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday We rate this claim false. | ||
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On November 04 2016 07:36 Rels wrote: ExO, the only thing that keeps me from tunneling you into oblivion is your explanation of the VT thing. Please answer me about why your foreman read changed without reason between now and yesterday This looks as though he actually thinks you are scum for it, but doesn't exactly scum-read you because of your VT claim and explanation. | ||
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On November 04 2016 08:56 ExO_ wrote: How is it taken out of context? The quote chain is LITERALLY right there with all of the context THe first quote is about him saying your narrative looks fabricated, the second quote is him saying it makes sense that you were looking into Foreman and I. Out of context. :3 | ||
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On November 04 2016 08:58 Calix wrote: Please elaborate. (what the hell does 'historically speaking' even mean in this context?) The story takes place between 2009 and 2016. A guy named Kenpachi played forum mafia on TL. He was notorious for claiming VT, and people who pushed him for his claim were always mafia. | ||
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On November 04 2016 09:01 ExO_ wrote: You are wrong. And this is exactly what I think scum will do. Lynch me, and then say "It was his own horrible play". If I die today take a close look at Mahgrell (I'm looking mostly at you calix as you seem the most level-headed person here) Wasn't she a low hanging fruit before? As Foreman pointed out, if you are town, scum is unlikely to push you this hard for one ML. Not everyone who pushes you is scum (4 votes on you rn if I can count) (if any). | ||
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On November 04 2016 09:06 ExO_ wrote: ...what? are you delusional? Like legitimately are you delusional? Nothing I've done has been even close to intimidation. And nothing I've done has even been close to lying. You're literally bordering on actually being delusional This post is a bit funny and is true. I don't understand how FM would interpret ExO's "you're doing nothing" as intimidation. | ||
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On November 04 2016 09:09 Calix wrote: Also I think we have way too many people pressuring ExO. That's bad because ExO's going to get stressed out sooner or later, so then he'll lash out and that looks scummy so then people keep piling on. So I propose that we let up a little bit so that he can actually post something constructive. I think the wagon on him lets him know well enough that he's going to die if he doesn't step it up so constantly pushing him like this is just inhibiting his potential to do anything else imo. Invitation accepted. What do you think of the Kenpachi rule? The logic behind it is that claiming VT has no scum nor town motivation. Scum is likely going to push for that claim since it is easy to do, and they may look like they are being productive. | ||
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On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote: Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum So you read players based on their activity? What happened to the "NU posted things that looked scummy"? On November 04 2016 09:16 darthfoley wrote: Just to clarify my Skynx thing, At that point in the thread I was so tired of NU vs. Calix uber hardcore insult driven tunneling that I found myself really disappointed with the direction and tone of the game. In comes Skynx, who correctly identifies that ore salt votes (I know you two will disagree with this assessment) are not only meaningless but they're a waste of time. Other than that, Skynx had indeed been pretty much useless and very whiny. I apreciate that the atmosphere has become a little less emotionally charged. That's what I meant, even if phrased poorly. As I write this, Foreman accuses ExO of cyberbullying *facepalm* lol | ||
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On November 04 2016 09:21 ExO_ wrote: Your entry into the thread looked scummy at first. That was my thought at the start of the game. You kinda agreed with everyone but didn't really make any pressures or move the thread. This latest read on you was an OMGUS. Also rels is a bit odd to me. His filter is of similar length to DF/Skynx. I don't get why he backed off of me so readily either Tip: Don't read players based on filter length. Dandel Ion was scum with you in Dota 2 and he managed 10+ pages of filter iirc. Because of your VT claim & explanation. He never was fully onto you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote: More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong. ##Vote: Tictock | ||
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I don't find his tone to be 'good' or 'town'. His sentences are always cut which makes his tone look rude / raw. It's a measly argument because it could just be his natural way of typing and be NAI, but I still very much disagree that he has a 'good' tone. He reminds me of scum!Titus for reference. Not giving a fuck is not AI. Look at Palmar in HM3, Vivax in Dota 2. I don't like how he tends to exaggerate most things he touches. For instance, he called out ExO for bullying for something that clearly was not bullying, and early in the day he called you out for a discredit which objectively was not a discredit. Yes, his content is questionable. I don't remember him pushing anybody other than you, and that even that push was questionable. | ||
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On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Summary Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo. Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise. This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote: Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:17 Skynx wrote: I do care. But town is tunneled for whatever reason. I did present what is wrong with the lynch. Some votes have justifications. Some votes are terrible, yet they are being ignored by everyone else somehow. Altho you are right. In the end i spent too much time on mafia today and I have other obligations so there is a laziness factor if you want to see it that way. In addition tho, I think this mislynch will strengthen my point about NU/TT on which I will hopefully be able to convince you guys later on. You're already using the "I told you so" argument and ExO has not yet flipped. I also have no idea how his flip would lead to me being scum. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:18 Calix wrote: lol The fact that he conflated "discrediting Calix" with "others" should be telling you that you discredit me way too much. Perhaps consider not doing that so much. Yes, I have stopped and will try to keep it that way. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote: God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it. They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote: dont calix. skynx is town, trust him. you and him are the most town And why is Skynx town other than him not voting for you? Why do you accept being lynched over anyone else? You are confirmed town to yourself. Skynx is not confirmed town to you. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote: I can't actually believe whats going on. Calix you are getting played. ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:34 Tictock wrote: I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote: So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? His tone feels right. | ||
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I never discredited any of the dudes you listed. The post you quoted has all your answers. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:39 Skynx wrote: What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up. What are you doing atm? lmao | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote: Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding. ##Unvote ##Vote: NeverUnlucky I was saying that what you are doing is distancing yourself from the lynch. I have cold feet about this ExO lynch. What are everyone's strongest scum-reads and why? | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote: So tone makes him scum. But also tone now makes him town. Okay. dafuq | ||
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I literally never said ExO had a scum tone. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:43 Calix wrote: Bad post. It's not unreasonable to think that someone might interpret "having cold feet" as "distancing from a potential ML" Random question is also terrible and pointless. Where did I imply the bolded? It's not random. I want another lynch. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote: Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can. CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here .... He exactly did that to Lunatic last game. You were scum with him. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote: Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night. At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here. Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information. Bolded IS SO SCUMMY. Guys, ExO is very very likely town. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote: TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads. I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this What happened to your DF scum-read and your TR on me? | ||
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Thanks for proving my point. | ||
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Why not? His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here. We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this. I was universally town-read in that game, and you did not tunnel me ???????? We did not win because of the OP roles, we won because Shapelog went AFK and the two other mobs did not care. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:49 ExO_ wrote: f--- off, I'm not interested in talking to you. You've done nothing to help town and are either scum or bad. I'm assuming you've done plenty to help town then. + Show Spoiler + not | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:51 Skynx wrote: Reference for later on: read pages 46-49 on how to move away from mislynch as scum, produced by NeverUnlucky. Yes, I would draw this much attention onto me when I am town-read by the smart players and could just get away with the lynch by keeping my vote on him. Makes sense. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:53 ExO_ wrote: This is something I'm not very good at. a lot of my reads I base on what I think, and researching specific examples is hard. I think out of TT/Rels/NU there is at least 1 scum. Maybe 2. TT or rels should have known better than to let this lynch go down like it did, and instead both pushed it hard. I would look at them heavily. NU's game has just been really bad all around, hard to say if its because he's bad or because he's scum though. I didn't like the way mahgrell played, and the way he's afk now but I think he's something to look at after the top 3. DF is townier than mahgrell. Foreman is angry town You cannot call me bad if you admit to not reading my posts. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:55 Calix wrote: These kinds of posts are making me think ExO is town. Fuck. I'll just say that if you are town then I'll keep this in mind. Me too, CFD. 4 minutes. Give me a target. | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:55 Calix wrote: These kinds of posts are making me think ExO is town. Fuck. I'll just say that if you are town then I'll keep this in mind. inb4 Skynx calls out Calix for distancing | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:58 ExO_ wrote: scum also very likely going to try to say "ExO was bad so ignore what he said at EoD" at some point later on. Again, do not listne to them I would say this if I was not trying to be not toxic. And I am town. | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:07 darthfoley wrote: nah dude, mahrgell can't be scummy because first time scum can't spam or something like that LoL lol | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: Scratch the first part. Too many links to see what I'm doing. I'll do it for you. What do you want green and red? | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:11 mahrgell wrote: Yeah, considering that I was probably the main driving force behind the Exo-lynch. Indeed. I have to conclude I'm scum now. Can I vote myself? On a more serious note: I was mainly going at the fact that with the lynch, which I really wanted to go through, there may more urgent topics or me to look into may pop up. Well... I'm honestly not sure if this mislynch is more informative than a scum lynch. I admire Exos EoD effort, but I have difficulty making sense of it. Let's add another point to my task list. I'm still in fmily time, but should work down my list from tmrw noon until EoN, just in case. Tictock was the main driving force followed by Rels. As ExO stated, you were the "3rd". Apathy noted. | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:15 mahrgell wrote: I answered this "you were third" thingie to Exo already. How about reading? I stand by my statement that you really were not a driving force of the ExO lynch. | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:25 darthfoley wrote: Wtf are these posts man? Can someone explain to me WHY they're reading mahrgell anything more than null? Omg I feel buddied, i'm everyone's darling!!! so spook!!!! I (mahrgell) will look into it! I feel like i'm floating between getting buddied and shaded? Anyone (not mahrgell) want to look into it?! I don't understand how he got the feeling he is being buddied to being with. I'll have a check at him. | ||
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On November 05 2016 03:52 Calix wrote: I'm not even sure if we're allowed to discuss this but meh. We're not. We can't even know if one of the noobs rolled scum. It was a joke. | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:42 Calix wrote: I really hate it when everyone just fucks off after I claim to have a scum-read. I'm listening. | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:51 Calix wrote: So instead of posting anything relevant to my case, you make an empty post. Okay. Will make a proper response later, just to be busy to read your case atm | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:52 NeverUnlucky wrote: Will make a proper response later, just to be busy to read your case atm I retract this. | ||
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On November 05 2016 04:59 Calix wrote: And you have enough time to spam, make empty posts and play anti-town but not enough time to read this: I don't have time to deal with your toxicity. Please stop trying to provoke me, I am trying to have a clean game and improve. I read your posts. I think your first point is okay, but it would be even better if you highlighted the inconsistency in TT saying that Skynx was a TR before for drawing attention to himself while he did not consider this argument when scum-reading ExO who drew a lot of attention with his claim. I think you misinterpreted his point about the gifs. From my understanding, he was saying that ExO dropped the idea of posting gifs because he had rolled mafia and did not want to be policy lynched (which I threatened him for). Also not sure what the bolded has to do there as TT only said that posting gifs was prone to drawing attention. His point never was that ExO would try to keep a low profile by not attacking anyone and whatnot. | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:02 Calix wrote: If you were really trying to improve then you'd just shut up and do the improving instead of trying to twist my words against me. Keep that in mind. Your second paragraph is weird. Does it matter if my point was mediocre if you agree with it for different reasoning? TT never said anything about PLs though. He said that ExO was mafia who didn't want the attention that posting gifs and nothing else would give him. I'm saying that TT's reason for scum-reading ExO doesn't make sense because ExO's play was clearly drawing a lot of attention to him...which TT considers a town trait...but he claims that ExO is mafia because he didn't post purely in gifs because it would draw attention to him. But ExO's 'new play' was drawing attention to him anyway...and he never considered this or think that ExO might be town for that or say "well he is drawing attention to himself but he is still mafia because X" or anything. I just do not understand his thought process here. -------------------------------- I did not say that your point was mediocre, miss. c: I think it is what he implied. If you have a quote of him saying that ExO did not want attention at all, do share it. That is my point in paragraph 2. c: | ||
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On November 05 2016 06:17 Tictock wrote: Please scum read me for better reasons, talking about the same point over and over gets old. The TL;DR of this game c: On November 05 2016 06:22 Calix wrote: Here you go: I am going to wait for TT's response before I talk any more about this. In the meantime, how have your reads changed since ExO's lynch? He specifically states that the attention would come from posting gifs though. I do not think it is the right time to discuss my reads. | ||
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Isn't it bad to discuss reads at night? | ||
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Very early on, Rels said that he hated DF's first post and asked me why I had liked it (he did not explain his disliking of the post). It was only I gave my analysis of the post and pointed out the good and the bad in it that he gave his opinion. My opinion of DF changed from town-read to null-read, and I felt manipulated by Rels at the time :3 Looking over his filter, it actually very much ressembles Koshi's filter from last game in every aspect, I kid you not. Calix, agree? | ||
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On November 05 2016 07:32 Calix wrote: If you felt manipulated by him at the time then what stopped you from saying so? And how was that manipulative in your eyes? You're going to have to expand on that Rels/ Koshi comparison. I kind of get you but clarification would be nice. I don't fancy reading a Koshi filter if I am honest. I tinfoiled later. Koshi called you lock town very early, like Rels. I remember Koshi saying he would even town-read you if there was a red-check on ye'. Koshi asked me about my previous games, Rels too. Their tone is similar. How often they ask for others' opinion. They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy). That's off the top of my head. | ||
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On November 05 2016 07:49 Calix wrote: I am confused. You say that 'I felt manipulated by him at the time' - would this not indicate that you had that feeling at the time of him making that post? Man, how can I ever suspect a dude who says "scum!Koshi and Rels write LOL, this is scummy"? That's the most hilarious comparison. But you make some valid comparisons, that aside. Yeah, I guess that's what it would indicate. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You tell me. You were convinced I was a gangster less than 24h ago. | ||
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On November 05 2016 20:05 mahrgell wrote: Okay guys. Family thrown out, I'm back in business. Let's get going. oh, and if I have sudden bursts of aggression, its CUZ FUCK HABS AND FUCK MICHEAL THERRIEN FOR RUINING MY NIGHT. AND CAN WE JUST LYNCH NU? explain the lynch nu part i get the michel therrien part. fuck that guy srsly Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me. ? why do you sign this shame of a post | ||
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some dude in the dota 2 obs qt explained it for me lol | ||
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On November 05 2016 21:46 NeverUnlucky wrote: ok nvm, dont explain the post some dude in the dota 2 obs qt explained it for me lol actually nvm, explain it, im wrong here and a still a lil intoxicated yesterday i played the habs drinking game (drink one can every time they get scored on) with my friends they lost 10-0 | ||
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what concerns do you share in skynx case on me? because the only point he raises is that i leave "empty votes" and if you read the thread progression instead of just my filter, you would know in what context i voted for whom i voted which in itself denies the empty vote point i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit | ||
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On November 05 2016 21:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me. ? why do you sign this shame of a post[/QUOTE] | ||
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On November 05 2016 20:05 mahrgell wrote: Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me. ? why do you sign this shame of a post ebwop | ||
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I don't find 1 to be a compelling argument. mahr, during eod, you said that ExO's lynch was going to be informative Why? What information did you get out of it? | ||
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Call it scummy all you want, you know it's how I play. | ||
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So mahr, On November 05 2016 23:26 NeverUnlucky wrote: mahr, during eod, you said that ExO's lynch was going to be informative Why? What information did you get out of it? | ||
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Calix / TT / Mahr DF Skynx Foreman/Rels | ||
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On November 06 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote: I pretty much exposed my reads on the last page, so I'll post the whole list now. Calix / TT / Mahr DF Skynx Foreman/Rels I'm actually not that sure about Rels anymore because he was quick to dish out TRs on me, Calix, mahr, Exo (at first), and TT. It doesn't look like a good scumplay to do so. If I'm honest, I re-waffled to thinking that Skynx is mafia atm. | ||
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Also, don't try being Grackaroni (point 7), he's irreplaceable. | ||
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Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon? I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally. | ||
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On November 06 2016 02:56 Calix wrote: How retarded do you have to be to ask that? I want to pressure both to see who the mafia among them is...? You are asking the dumbest questions. lmao "pressure rels, he has not had much pressure" Foreman was not pressured either, yet you don't propose wagoning him while he's done jackshit. I hope you are night killed, honestly. | ||
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On November 06 2016 03:05 cakepie wrote: NeverUnlucky is officially warned for posting at XX:00 and will receive a warning PM. You may now proceed. Pretty sure that was XX:06 ... ... ... | ||
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Nevermind, the first post has a timestamp of XX:00. Warning accepted. Can you not put this many links in the vote count? It took me 10 minutes to delete them all, zzz. ExO_ (6) : Tictock (1) : Skynx (1) : NeverUnlucky (1) : Calix (0) : darthfoley (0) : [s]Foreman (0) : mahrgell (0) : Rels (0) : | ||
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ExO_ (6) : Tictock (1) : Skynx (1) : NeverUnlucky (1) : Calix (0) : darthfoley (0) : Foreman (0) : mahrgell (0) : Rels (0) : | ||
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On November 06 2016 03:31 Calix wrote: Thanks, that is surprisingly considerate of you. This isn't a VCA. I can't do those. I'm just giving my thoughts. Given that I believe TT is town, it is all but confirmed that there is a scum at the end of the ExO wagon. Given that Rels/ darthfoley made unnecessarily long posts condemning ExO before voting, I'm going to look into those again. Foreman's vote is quite bad. He just said "oh I'll be more productive" and voted ExO during their argument. Very difficult to hold him accountable for that vote when he didn't really give any reasoning for it. This is really bad the more I think about it. He wasn't involved in the TT vs ExO debate and when I asked him for his opinion HE SAID THAT HE WAS LIKING EXO FOR TOWN. His only post involving ExO between that and his vote is him going "I disagree with your reads" (which cannot be interpreted as a scum read) I can only conclude that he voted for someone that he town-read. And he never saw it fit to explain why he did that. Also, note that mahrgell casted two votes. One on ExO. One on Foreman. ##Vote Foreman. I also still messed up the colors in the second vc post, but whatever. | ||
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While myself, DF, and Calix said that we were thinking/starting to think that ExO was town, only Rels and TT were still confident in ExO flipping scum. Tictock seemed to be tunneled. He did not bring new points to the table, just said that he was confident in the lynch. Rels, however, was bringing new arguments he did not share before EOD. It looked like he was making an impromptu case on ExO and that he was scavenging for reasons to still scum-read him to ignore the town tone ExO conveyed. Here are his posts: On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote: This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy. In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS. The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size. On November 05 2016 01:53 Rels wrote: - has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!) Foreman was conveniently afk. | ||
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I have very mixed feelings on the first quote. I think it's townie because he tries to empathize with someone he is getting lynched. Scum tend to be more reasonable and hide their emotions to keep their credibility, so I don't think they'd make that post. However, I also think it's scummy because of the wording of the "But I think you're scum." I don't know if y'all have the same feeling as I have, but I don't think he even believes himself there. The wording is too strange. Weak argument on that post: + Show Spoiler + He says "I know you're having a bad town if you're town." The fact that he wrote town twice makes me think that he knows that ExO is town. But that's put-in-spoiler-weak. Dunno what to make of the second and third quote, but I understand your reasoning. I don't like how he uses WIFOM as an argument though. That's too easy. | ||
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On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote: Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ | ||
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???? Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow. You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"? | ||
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On November 06 2016 04:55 Calix wrote: He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO. Then that's a pretty good point. | ||
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You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. | ||
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On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote: Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin. Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum? Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing. Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will. On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points. You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 06 2016 05:57 darthfoley wrote: My current mafiametric/reads after seeing mahrgell flip town is something like this. TOWN Calix, NU Ticktock Rels/Foreman Skynx MAFIA I liked points 3 and 4 of mahrgell's post re Skynx a lot: In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town. Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me. So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum. On November 06 2016 06:13 darthfoley wrote: Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman: I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote. highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar I think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has. Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field. He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter. Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman. That's it. I know Foreman + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points. You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit On November 05 2016 02:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why not? His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon. On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. On November 05 2016 02:33 NeverUnlucky wrote: ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play. On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote: Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. I see a very clear and continuous scum agenda in most of his posts: 1) casting doubt on everyone, never following up He went after myself, Foremen and Calix multiple times, pointing out our scummish behaviour, never ever with any followup. Rels gets doubted too at some point. Even in the middle of his "I stand with Exo" he had to post this as if he made sure that nobody takes his "defense of Exo" too serious His issues with NU and TT are another story. Looks like only DF got away without getting shaded. 2) his case on TT: his reasoning looked weaker than what he posted 2 minutes earlier against Calix and me, yet he chose to go after TT. He even announced "you have to do more to avoid a lynch" yet never tried to convince anyone of this lynch. 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote: This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually. I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum. Ok now I'm going to go eat. So you think the scum team would be Foreman / DF or Skynx / DF from your PoE pool. You think DF is bussing Skynx with his latest posts?If not, either your PoE pool is missing Skynx's partner or Skynx is not mafia (from your POV). | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Calix wrote: However Foreman's behaviour around Skynx/ Rels is really weird. He doesn't mention Rels at ALL. Seriously. He has five fucking pages of filter and it's like Rels doesn't exist to him. To be fair he was "active" during the first 24h and Rels wasn't there at the time. Rels mentions Foreman quite a bit in his 4 page filter. + Show Spoiler + Explaining his read: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: [...] Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie. [...] On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player. These posts make me think that: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys. Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote: Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull. I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on. Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT. Haven't read Rels yet. Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells. On November 04 2016 23:44 Rels wrote: I don't agree that it is not AI. Faking not giving a shit while actually giving a shit is actually pretty hard. Palmar is one of the best scum in this forum, Vivax is usually a pretty easy find as scum. And what he's doing is not giving a shit about people opinion on him. He's engaging people and looking like he wants to solve the game. Exo line of question on why he wanted to f-d me and fm (5 posts which are not worth quoting because rels doesn't give his opinion in them) This On November 04 2016 06:27 Rels wrote: Good find, it is pretty weird. TT why was Foreman lock scum before that post ? | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:29 Calix wrote: If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead. ##vote Foreman Just to make sure we're on the same page: I'm not really in agreement that Foreman is scum as I am not 100% convinced yet. He's like my Damdred read from last game: I found him scummy when he was there, and because he ditched us, he looks scummier and stays in the PoE pool. I would not call him obvious scum like Jat basically. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:36 Calix wrote: I'm not 100% convinced either. I am just voting the one dude that all three of us suspect given that we are split on Skynx/ Rels/ DF. Seems like optimal strategy to me. Ok. As long as we don't write the sequel of "2 Days of Lynching Vivax" by spending our time yodeling around with our votes on Foreman I'm fine with that plan. Though the optimal plan would be to convince each other which of Skynx / DF / Rels is/are scum so we don't fall into the pitfall of lynching an AFK as our last ML. I will re-read DF tomorrow. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:43 darthfoley wrote: I'd like you to expand on what parts of my posts you don't like. My thoughts on the mahrgell kill are that he was spewing town and had been universally townread (his last posts got me off of him). I made the point earlier that I thought mafia would try to buddy the first timer, and I think mahrgell picked up on that. I'm also town because I clicked through your 40 spoilers This guy's too funny to be maf. | ||
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On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Summary Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU + Show Spoiler + I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo. Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise. Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm. Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall. I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar. Read above for opinions on Rels. Read cases in filter for opinions on NU and TT. I kind of think that this post alone makes Skynx mafia tbh. His two scum-reads are myself and TT whom I've TR since the beginning of the game. He did not push either properly, and both his cases were lacking to say the least. Like, he's not that bad as town. I remember him saving TT in the last newbie game and Grack in HM3. It's like he has emo reads for the sake of having elmo reads. Also, if you look at his filter, there is no progression on his read on me. He never talks about me before posting his wot (other than saying "Wow, you're good" about my prediction of what was going to happen and joking about making me stfu). His read really looks like it was made of thin air. Plus, he had ExO as a town-lean. How was he so sure that ExO was going to flip town with such a read? | ||
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This post is sooo scummy too. His question was pointless because ExO had stated what his reads were plenty of times. All Skynx was doing with this post was reminding everyone that Calix and him were 100% town to ExO re Asking for town-reads over mafia reads and using "Other than us". I want to lynch this mafioso. | ||
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On November 06 2016 10:24 Calix wrote: You're almost as much of a dork as disformation. That's quite the feat. NU makes yet another valid point. I feel like that's becoming redundant with Skynx, lol. Am I tunneling? o.o On November 06 2016 10:31 Tictock wrote: Lol Ok you prob deserve some cred for that. Actually looking over your posts again you do make pretty decent points. Let me ride this train of thought a bit longer though, I'm having fun with it. ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/PaaauvsPQ10I0/200.gif#20) bruh | ||
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On November 05 2016 02:11 Rels wrote: Now I know that it is super annoying to play as town when everybody is scumreading you. I know you're having a bad town if you're town. But I think you're scum. On November 04 2016 05:43 Rels wrote: Nothing, just not a lot of time. But my motivation is still there, I mean I thought about the game all afternoon. p: On November 04 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: I townread NU mainly for a pretty bad reason: that he posted his "mafia metric" team. This is a pretty awful reason 'cause it's based on out-of-the-game thing but that's my main reason to believe NU is town. Outside of that his attitude is also pretty townie and matches the town meta I know of him. Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie. DF I'll have to reread, I just thought his entrance post was super bad. More on everything when I'm caught up and can reread filters. On November 06 2016 00:39 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm actually not that sure about Rels anymore because he was quick to dish out TRs on me, Calix, mahr, Exo (at first), and TT. It doesn't look like a good scumplay to do so. | ||
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Hats off to whoever is courageous enough to read our filters and write a decent case afterwards Yesterday I said I was going to re-read DF, but I'm too lazy and a bit restrained on time to do so. If TT could explain why he thinks his posts are mafia, it would be lovely. | ||
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On November 04 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote: Sure I think Foreman is most town to me. My pyramid thing would go something like this Town Foreman NU, Calix, Skynx Rels mahrgell, ExO, TT Mafia I have Rels null because he's yet to really engage the thread besides an early read pyramid. I want to hear why he "hated" my post, among other things. Can I get Calix's and your opinion of each other? I'm pretty sure you are townreading each other, yet continue to bicker and harp on the same points. I'd also like to hear what you think of Ticktock wait... Why the fuck did Foreman as most town? Do you still TR him? Why did you have Skynx as town? Why would you explain your null read on Rels (who hadn't posted) but not your other reads? | ||
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Serious question: Is there a way to make this website run quicker? I have tried clearing my caches and cookies, and using AdBlock. Nothing works, and the sluggishness of this site is infuriating. | ||
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On November 07 2016 02:00 darthfoley wrote: Adding to the tech question, does anyone else experience your typing cursor disappear in the middle of a post and you have to manually click back on the spot you were typing from? This happens to me multiple times per post and it is especially frustrating if i'm in the middle of a long case post etc. It only happens to me on this site so idk Yes, it does that to me too, only on this website. Often I cannot highlight the text using my mouse and cursor and have to resort to CTRL+A to complete the task. My main issue with this site is that the pages often are "Not responding" and that there is a 5 seconds delay between what I type on my keyboard and what appears on screen. fuck this site and fuck skynx | ||
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On November 07 2016 04:22 Tictock wrote: Well there is nothing really new going on here and I'm going to be out a good chunk of today anyways. Will make some time later this evening or tomorrow morning though. It's quite possible my WIFOM about Skynx is just that and this is actually as easy as Foreman/Skynx. It's really tempting to think that because of their lack of, well anything today. Also I'd like to take a second and give some mad props to Cake's hosting. Not only has she been including links to everyone's vote and unvote in each VC but now reminding people about DST changes? ![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o7TKrugYn6cXQAMTK/200w.gif#11) On November 06 2016 21:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:If TT could explain why he thinks his posts are mafia, it would be lovely. On November 07 2016 01:53 NeverUnlucky wrote: I kind of want to lynch Skynx first because I have 0 respect for his play. And also I was the only one to scum-read Foreman on day 1. I find it strange that everyone now scum-reads him and is willing to vote him when we have not written a case against him and he has not posted since. I don't know how everyone's read flipped so easily. Calix says we're votin' him because TT is not sure of Skynx being mafia. That's not entirely true. TT has Skynx in his poe pool, but he is unsure who his teammate would be between rels and foreman based on interactions. Meh, I still think Foreman is mafmaf, so not sure myself why I'm complaining. | ||
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On November 07 2016 07:06 darthfoley wrote: the inactivity has been depressing Mhhm. 230 thread views since I last posted, and only 2 new posts. Y'all are a bunch o' lurkers. | ||
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On November 07 2016 07:08 Calix wrote: Agreed. This activity is more of a mood-killer than depression. Hopefully Rels/ Skynx will ACTUALLY POST NOW and this game will become a game again. At least we have the town circle thing. That's pretty much the only thing that's been useful about Day 2 so far. This town circle was formed day 1 though. So, uh, what does DF being removed from your 'shit list' mean? ie what is your read on him? | ||
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On November 07 2016 07:56 Skynx wrote: I will literally hate everyone here forever if we somehow lose to this troll. You just scum-claimed. | ||
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On November 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote: So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this: 1. I didn't understand most of it very well. 2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever. 3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response. 4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2) + Show Spoiler + Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here. Exactly that, Calix. None of what Skynx said mattered at the time the accusations were made against him nor matters now that he is posting this. He used a bunch of words and space to say what Rels said in 3 lines. | ||
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I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU. You had 0 intent to shenannie onto TT. All of your EoD posts were on me. Factually incorrect. Notice how scummy the ending of the quote is? He "defended" ExO to bring out TT and I instead of defending ExO because he town-read ExO. That's the epitome of self-interest right there. Thing about shennanies are they go same way with reads. If one does shennanie on to someone without proper reasoning while having a solid case on the vote already then I can't really interpret that as town or scum. Let's imagine a case where Calix shennanies off to TT aswell as NU. Now what separates NU from Calix? Sometimes its better to leave lynches be and draw information from it even if you knew its a mislynch. I'm perfectly capable shennanying scum, people here can confirm that. This is purely theoretical talk, and isn't worth shit. This was supposed to underline why voting Exo makes NU/TT scum: because they had nothing more than 2 sentences worth of material to scumread Exo. TT had written a case on ExO. The first case on ExO actually. Factually incorrect. I read [modconfirm] and it didn't make sense to me, nor to rest of the town. Factually incorrect. Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). You will see how this makes sense later on. ?????? | ||
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On November 07 2016 08:05 Skynx wrote: You didn't even read it... You literally just saying it means nothing without reading what i said. I read it all. That's a puny attempt at discrediting me. | ||
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On November 07 2016 08:53 Rels wrote: I'm caught up and I want to lynch Skynx. I think Foreman is scum with Skynx, with a slight possibility of Calix. ##Vote Skynx Calix, that's a novelty read Why is that? | ||
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If so, we might want to switch wagon. But we're in LyLo if Foreman is town. | ||
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All my votes had a reason. You do not see it because you're filter-diving me, but they made sense in the thread progression. How does that point make me mafia anyway? Your case on Tictock was shit, that's a fact, not a discredit. My TR on Rels has been explained in my filter. My tinfoil too. Dig deeper. How would not giving reasoning for a read make me mafia anyways? Same for TT and Foreman, lol. You say troll a bunch of times. Troll = mafia? I DID respond to your post. Remember that slight Foreman scumread? This is first time he pops in after his afk and just trolled/ignored. Not really trying to progress the game at all. He joked about me saying that LOL was scummy, I responded with "lmao". No trolling nor ignoring, just laughing to his joke. 1) and 2) are straight up false. 3) I never rolled mafia on TL????????????? You're SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mafia for throwing this much shade. There's 0 way possible you believe a single thing you wrote. | ||
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On November 07 2016 09:05 Rels wrote: Skynx you never play with NU / read a NU game ? HM3 Skynx is so mafia. I'm actually infuriated at the amount of shade and BS he threw at me. | ||
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On November 07 2016 09:14 Rels wrote: So I don't understand why you believe any of your points makes him scum There are no points. Even if I wasn't me the things he wrote wouldn't make anybody scum. | ||
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On November 07 2016 09:11 Skynx wrote: Darth looks bad aswell, his case on me was a more biased version of mahrs. He doesn't do much else than making a case on most scumread person. lmaaaao Look at this, Skynx pretty much admits that he is trying to appear prodcutive here by making cases on the most town-read people by implying that darth does nothing but casing scum-read people. Skumx. | ||
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On November 07 2016 09:32 Rels wrote: I don't have a lot of reasons to scumread Foreman. But I have reasons to townread everyone else to varying degrees (or in DF case, I don't think he can be Skynx partner) and my tone read of Foreman at the beginning of the game doesn't hold up to the amount of nothing he's doing right now. The only thing that is maybe scummy is that he had only weak interactions with Skynx at some points, but there is a lot of Skynx talk in his filter: he voted him, and he had several posts that either talked about him, or talked about people read of Skynx. Can't remember who posted that first but I read something about it when catching up and it's true. Might be a partner tell but it's quite weak. It's not that bad. Also, notice how Skynx decides he is going to case Foreman now that he's been completely AFK? It's almost as if he wants to be part of the wagon to bus if Foreman is scum. Why Calix now? | ||
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I had flagged some of her posts during day 1 that made me think she was scum due to her wording. | ||
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On November 07 2016 20:11 Skynx wrote: You know what fuck this. I spent 4 hours writing and reading i don't need to see this toxic shit when i wake up. Go ahead and lynch me i don't give a fuck get me out of this game pls its not fun for me. Also go ahead and assign my emo behavior with my scum meta yeye idc really i just want out. GG im town. There is absolutely nothing toxic in the post you quoted. That's as fake as your "Lynch me, idgaf" in Dota 2 where you had no pressure on you. You're nothing more than a shameful, whiny bitch with no self-respect. | ||
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DF's kind of sitting back this game. His opinions usually follow thread sentiment re: mahr, Foreman and Skynx scum-read. Not sure if it's how he plays, but it is something I dislike. I think the two mafia are between Skynx | ||
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On November 08 2016 02:08 Tictock wrote: Eh I still think I preffer a Foreman lynch. Skimmed over Skynx's filter again and he's put in more effort than I would expect from him as scum in this position. There are a few posts throughout his filter that give me some pause too. These don't really feel like they come from scum imo, feels more like tunneled town. My dilemma here is that I don't really have good reasons to think Skynx might be town just a few things that make me question if he is actually mafia. I also think a Skynx/Foreman team is pretty possible given their interactions. So, I think I'm just going to leave my vote on Foreman. Why do you think Foreman is scum? I don't think you've explained it before (if you haz sowwy). | ||
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On November 08 2016 02:14 Calix wrote: I don't understand how you can possibly have doubts about Skynx after his re-entrance. There is no overarching town motivation behind his posts and his meta doesn't match up to his town meta. Also don't see how being passive-aggressive is a town tell. You literally do not need to see if every single post comes from town/ mafia. You only need one post where someone makes a post that makes no sense for town to make and it's game over. Case closed. Alignment solved. I don't actually give a shit which one dies today. I just can't believe that you think Skynx has a chance at being town. Didn't you say something about his entry matching his town meta before? There's also one post I've noted in DF's filter that pretty much townclears him if I'm good. So I really think that the scum team is Skynx / Foreman atm. If it is, it means that you'll have to endure me bragging that I had both as scum-reads day 1 for the next couple weeks. The only reason I'm keeping my vote on Foreman is because my vote shows up first in the VC, and it'll look good when he flips red. | ||
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On November 08 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote: ##Vote: Darthfoley Just avoiding modkill hihihi That's not a seal. | ||
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On November 08 2016 02:34 Calix wrote: He's not even voting Foreman to save himself, wtf. He'd still get lynched due to him reaching 3 votes first, and voting for your scumbuddy to take the noose for you is just as unproductive. | ||
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On November 08 2016 02:42 Calix wrote: You missed the joke. I think both of them are scum. Skynx is never town with those posts. Calix saying "You missed the joke" zzz ##Unvote ##Vote Skynx | ||
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Sorry, Skynx. This is the first game on TL where I don't town-read the scum team | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On November 08 2016 03:08 Calix wrote: Also lol wtf, NU was a VT? I thought he was TPR because of how weird his play was. How was it different from the other games? xD | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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You played great, mang. Would be a pleasure to see you play some other games around here. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On November 08 2016 03:13 Half the Sky wrote: Oh and NeverUnlucky.... http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/mafia/515718-newbie-student-mafia-xxiv?page=53#1050 You gave me a scare when you said this >_< LOL | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On November 08 2016 03:31 cakepie wrote: The scumteam was independently guessed correctly by: Shapelog via PM, 2 hours 30 minutes into the game & Disformation in Obs QT, 4 hours 15 minutes into the game Congrats! 2h 30? Well. Done. That's very impressive. | ||
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NeverUnlucky
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On November 08 2016 11:49 NocturneMage wrote: it was a pleasure driving you up the wall.... xD you have inspired me to be quite the spammer scumformation xD Now that. That was quite a read. | ||
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