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On November 06 2016 03:05 cakepie wrote: NeverUnlucky is officially warned for posting at XX:00 and will receive a warning PM. You may now proceed. Pretty sure that was XX:06 ... ... ... | ||
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Nevermind, the first post has a timestamp of XX:00. Warning accepted. Can you not put this many links in the vote count? It took me 10 minutes to delete them all, zzz. ExO_ (6) : Tictock (1) : Skynx (1) : NeverUnlucky (1) : Calix (0) : darthfoley (0) : [s]Foreman (0) : mahrgell (0) : Rels (0) : | ||
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ExO_ (6) : Tictock (1) : Skynx (1) : NeverUnlucky (1) : Calix (0) : darthfoley (0) : Foreman (0) : mahrgell (0) : Rels (0) : | ||
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On November 06 2016 03:31 Calix wrote: Thanks, that is surprisingly considerate of you. This isn't a VCA. I can't do those. I'm just giving my thoughts. Given that I believe TT is town, it is all but confirmed that there is a scum at the end of the ExO wagon. Given that Rels/ darthfoley made unnecessarily long posts condemning ExO before voting, I'm going to look into those again. Foreman's vote is quite bad. He just said "oh I'll be more productive" and voted ExO during their argument. Very difficult to hold him accountable for that vote when he didn't really give any reasoning for it. This is really bad the more I think about it. He wasn't involved in the TT vs ExO debate and when I asked him for his opinion HE SAID THAT HE WAS LIKING EXO FOR TOWN. His only post involving ExO between that and his vote is him going "I disagree with your reads" (which cannot be interpreted as a scum read) I can only conclude that he voted for someone that he town-read. And he never saw it fit to explain why he did that. Also, note that mahrgell casted two votes. One on ExO. One on Foreman. ##Vote Foreman. I also still messed up the colors in the second vc post, but whatever. | ||
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While myself, DF, and Calix said that we were thinking/starting to think that ExO was town, only Rels and TT were still confident in ExO flipping scum. Tictock seemed to be tunneled. He did not bring new points to the table, just said that he was confident in the lynch. Rels, however, was bringing new arguments he did not share before EOD. It looked like he was making an impromptu case on ExO and that he was scavenging for reasons to still scum-read him to ignore the town tone ExO conveyed. Here are his posts: On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote: This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy. In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS. The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size. On November 05 2016 01:53 Rels wrote: - has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!) Foreman was conveniently afk. | ||
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I have very mixed feelings on the first quote. I think it's townie because he tries to empathize with someone he is getting lynched. Scum tend to be more reasonable and hide their emotions to keep their credibility, so I don't think they'd make that post. However, I also think it's scummy because of the wording of the "But I think you're scum." I don't know if y'all have the same feeling as I have, but I don't think he even believes himself there. The wording is too strange. Weak argument on that post: + Show Spoiler + He says "I know you're having a bad town if you're town." The fact that he wrote town twice makes me think that he knows that ExO is town. But that's put-in-spoiler-weak. Dunno what to make of the second and third quote, but I understand your reasoning. I don't like how he uses WIFOM as an argument though. That's too easy. | ||
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On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote: Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ | ||
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???? Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow. You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"? | ||
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On November 06 2016 04:55 Calix wrote: He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO. Then that's a pretty good point. | ||
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You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. | ||
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On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote: Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin. Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum? Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing. Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will. On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points. You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On November 06 2016 05:57 darthfoley wrote: My current mafiametric/reads after seeing mahrgell flip town is something like this. TOWN Calix, NU Ticktock Rels/Foreman Skynx MAFIA I liked points 3 and 4 of mahrgell's post re Skynx a lot: In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town. Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me. So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum. On November 06 2016 06:13 darthfoley wrote: Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman: I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote. highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar I think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has. Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field. He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter. Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman. That's it. I know Foreman + Show Spoiler + On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote: You make some very good points. You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread. I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote: i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit On November 05 2016 02:49 NeverUnlucky wrote: Why not? His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon. On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote: This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. On November 05 2016 02:33 NeverUnlucky wrote: ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play. On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote: Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. I see a very clear and continuous scum agenda in most of his posts: 1) casting doubt on everyone, never following up He went after myself, Foremen and Calix multiple times, pointing out our scummish behaviour, never ever with any followup. Rels gets doubted too at some point. Even in the middle of his "I stand with Exo" he had to post this as if he made sure that nobody takes his "defense of Exo" too serious His issues with NU and TT are another story. Looks like only DF got away without getting shaded. 2) his case on TT: his reasoning looked weaker than what he posted 2 minutes earlier against Calix and me, yet he chose to go after TT. He even announced "you have to do more to avoid a lynch" yet never tried to convince anyone of this lynch. 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote: This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually. I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum. Ok now I'm going to go eat. So you think the scum team would be Foreman / DF or Skynx / DF from your PoE pool. You think DF is bussing Skynx with his latest posts?If not, either your PoE pool is missing Skynx's partner or Skynx is not mafia (from your POV). | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Calix wrote: However Foreman's behaviour around Skynx/ Rels is really weird. He doesn't mention Rels at ALL. Seriously. He has five fucking pages of filter and it's like Rels doesn't exist to him. To be fair he was "active" during the first 24h and Rels wasn't there at the time. Rels mentions Foreman quite a bit in his 4 page filter. + Show Spoiler + Explaining his read: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2016 05:48 Rels wrote: [...] Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie. [...] On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote: Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player. These posts make me think that: + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote: Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote: What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote: Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote: I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys. Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote: Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull. I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on. Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT. Haven't read Rels yet. Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells. On November 04 2016 23:44 Rels wrote: I don't agree that it is not AI. Faking not giving a shit while actually giving a shit is actually pretty hard. Palmar is one of the best scum in this forum, Vivax is usually a pretty easy find as scum. And what he's doing is not giving a shit about people opinion on him. He's engaging people and looking like he wants to solve the game. Exo line of question on why he wanted to f-d me and fm (5 posts which are not worth quoting because rels doesn't give his opinion in them) This On November 04 2016 06:27 Rels wrote: Good find, it is pretty weird. TT why was Foreman lock scum before that post ? | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:29 Calix wrote: If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead. ##vote Foreman Just to make sure we're on the same page: I'm not really in agreement that Foreman is scum as I am not 100% convinced yet. He's like my Damdred read from last game: I found him scummy when he was there, and because he ditched us, he looks scummier and stays in the PoE pool. I would not call him obvious scum like Jat basically. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:36 Calix wrote: I'm not 100% convinced either. I am just voting the one dude that all three of us suspect given that we are split on Skynx/ Rels/ DF. Seems like optimal strategy to me. Ok. As long as we don't write the sequel of "2 Days of Lynching Vivax" by spending our time yodeling around with our votes on Foreman I'm fine with that plan. Though the optimal plan would be to convince each other which of Skynx / DF / Rels is/are scum so we don't fall into the pitfall of lynching an AFK as our last ML. I will re-read DF tomorrow. | ||
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On November 06 2016 09:43 darthfoley wrote: I'd like you to expand on what parts of my posts you don't like. My thoughts on the mahrgell kill are that he was spewing town and had been universally townread (his last posts got me off of him). I made the point earlier that I thought mafia would try to buddy the first timer, and I think mahrgell picked up on that. I'm also town because I clicked through your 40 spoilers This guy's too funny to be maf. | ||
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On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote: Summary Very town: mahg Townlean: Exo, Calix Not read at all: darth Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels Scum: TT, NU + Show Spoiler + I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo. Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise. Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm. Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall. I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar. Read above for opinions on Rels. Read cases in filter for opinions on NU and TT. I kind of think that this post alone makes Skynx mafia tbh. His two scum-reads are myself and TT whom I've TR since the beginning of the game. He did not push either properly, and both his cases were lacking to say the least. Like, he's not that bad as town. I remember him saving TT in the last newbie game and Grack in HM3. It's like he has emo reads for the sake of having elmo reads. Also, if you look at his filter, there is no progression on his read on me. He never talks about me before posting his wot (other than saying "Wow, you're good" about my prediction of what was going to happen and joking about making me stfu). His read really looks like it was made of thin air. Plus, he had ExO as a town-lean. How was he so sure that ExO was going to flip town with such a read? | ||
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