[M][N] A Mini With Funny Gifs

On October 19 2016 06:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I was told there were funny gifs here.

On November 28 2016 09:15 Onegu wrote:



Nah its fine im over it

On November 29 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Also TT just a hi and gif you disappoint me bro

On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:

Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced.

On November 29 2016 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:

Obviously you didn't read that game
TLDR of that game: I lead a lynch on scum DYH about 30 minutes to 1 hour before deadline Day 2 and I got killed there.

On November 29 2016 09:50 mahrgell wrote:


While I agree with you, that Koshi feels tryharding here on Onegu, I must say this and his general tone still gives me a minor townlean on Koshi for now. Simply because he is tryharding and motivated. And with his history of scumrolling and what I recall from reading Dota2, he was way less motivated there and more stabby.

On November 30 2016 00:49 Koshi wrote:
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
12. Ticktock

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I am left with these names.

On November 30 2016 01:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Yo, Tictock

Can you comment on my concern of you seeming disconnected from the game?

On November 30 2016 07:56 Koshi wrote:
I think I am probably wrong on TT btw and he is just being super unimpressive.

On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:


I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF.

If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains.

On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:

Nobody flagged this?????????????

This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR?

On November 30 2016 13:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:


Not quite as similar as I recalled, but the point of his reaction being that LS is blue is still fucking scummery.


SL is one of those people.

On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

On December 01 2016 07:21 darthfoley wrote:


All will be explained when i have time in a bit and I'm not on mobile!

On December 01 2016 12:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Does anyone have thoughts on Onegu's end of day 1?

If m8 or shape come along this could be something nice to look at.

On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote:


LOL
If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost.

Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.-

On December 02 2016 02:40 Holyflare wrote:
My lynch pool/order is:

Shape
Sl if shape is town, off list completely if mafia
Checkm8
Rels (confirmed town)
Onegu

On December 02 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:


This post is why sl and shape aren't likely a team

On December 02 2016 03:14 darthfoley wrote:


It's a great way to go down for the team because it sounds on the surface like something a town might say EoD when they're on the block. But this and the rest of his EoD lacked any urgency. Saying I'm town 1400 times won't actually get anyone to switch their vote, but it artificially seems like you're trying to get people to switch their vote.

On December 02 2016 03:55 mahrgell wrote:
TT time!

Let's do it quick this time
- D1 lazy scum or lazy town, after rereading I still feel lazy town is more likely, there was one large list post which read well but had it obvious flaws as pointed out earlier
- his ending of the day looked strange, but it follows this "lazy ..." stuff.
- his N1 looks more active, finally. What I lack here is a clear direction. Like I see statements, judgements, but it ends here. Him going with "lets kill the 3 afks" fits the lazy scum narrative, but at the same time you can't ask afks, so well... I can somehow get behind that too

So from only this, TT is just another fish in the neut pool for me.

BUT... there is one thing... that confused me and I would like to have answers:

Here HF is a townlean, although very weirdly put. (this was mentioned by several players)
Before EoD, when he settled on the NU lynch now HF could very well be mafia. I don't read this as a direct contradiction to his first post, although I can see this being scummish to move of a read which was called out a lot for waffling. But that is not what I'm after.
In his first content post after EoD now he wants to build a towncircle with Koshi, Rels (both locktown in his initial list), me (explained in that post) and HF. Where does HF come from? He didn't mention HF at all. HF certainly did not suddenly look better because NU flipped scum. And I didn't see any great posts from HF between EoD and TTs post to explainn this change of mind either. But somehow suddenly TT wanted to town circle with HF?
I would love to know how this came together.

On December 02 2016 04:36 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh marigold.

On December 02 2016 07:03 darthfoley wrote:
don't understand why the medic or jk didn't save Koshi. Thought he was most town

On December 02 2016 09:26 mahrgell wrote:
And no, my rant does not end here....

On December 02 2016 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
Wait people are acualy voting shapelog? hes like one of my stronger town reads. mostly just because I dont think he fake cop claims day one as mafia. Like I read that as actively trying to take a bullet then he claimed a little too hard.

Either way its really not something a mafia does ever. Then again I try not to read shapelogs posts so thats really all im reading him off of

On December 02 2016 09:38 mahrgell wrote:
Ranting done, now to the minor reads...

On December 02 2016 09:48 sicklucker wrote:
Ls you should do your little meta thing on me because I want to focus on the issues. I need to get some alternative lynch going

On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:

CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.

Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!

There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum.

On December 02 2016 10:25 darthfoley wrote:


I just did and i've come to the conclusion that i'm not mafia

On December 02 2016 10:25 emperorchampion wrote:


Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK.

On December 02 2016 10:31 emperorchampion wrote:


Yeah this doesn't really serve any purpose right meow, except for shitting up the thread.

On December 02 2016 10:57 emperorchampion wrote:


Maybe not because I'm not sure I fully believe his defense:

As well it disregarded some of the other inconsistencies that I found. Also saying MvM between NU and I --- I still get the feeling that he knew that NU was gonna flip red.

On December 02 2016 13:15 Shapelog wrote:
Fucking hell, stop using math in mafia.

Nothing ever good comes out of that and you should know it TT (98% mafia nut.)

On December 02 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote:
The Temptation to pull a BH is real....

I'm illiterately stopping myself from typing a I do it later post.

On December 02 2016 13:39 Shapelog wrote:

I wrote my defense/beginning of reads in google doc because I been getting on and off the computer and TL is too poor to have a save post function.

And I am about to pass out from being tired.

All of which you should of gotten from that post.

On December 02 2016 16:43 Shapelog wrote:

Ok.

Town: Me
Scum: TBA

Question marks: Everyone

On December 02 2016 17:21 emperorchampion wrote:


Why SL over Onegu? I don't think Onegu posted in the last 24hrs?

On December 02 2016 20:13 mahrgell wrote:


Uhm, I actually had to read the rules aafter EoN because I was sure they would both be modkilled for not posting.
My line of thought was, that it requires tremendous "balls" (but honestly I dont see it as something positive here) to risk getting modkilled for lack of activity. Both were warned, both didn't post the entire night.
If they really played the "surely btdt wont dare to modkill us, and lets submit a NK while not posting" card, I will have serious respect issues, but at least to me this is not a viable play.

But I don't really want to discuss modactions/kills, so let's drop this conversation.

On December 02 2016 20:34 Holyflare wrote:
You are a moron.

On December 02 2016 20:51 mahrgell wrote:
before I forget though:

@TT:
didn't see you comment on this one Maybe missed it, but I think you commented all my other posts but this one.

On December 03 2016 10:09 mahrgell wrote:


I don't entirely disagree on there being better targets. Then again, I just went into SLs filter again and it read much better than what my memory gave me yesterday. Like this runthrough does make him still shady but not this "wtf is he doing" - kind of shady I had in mind yesterday. His tone completely ticks me off though.
I will put my thoughts on him in an extra post.

Like right now I think I will take a step back and reevalutate everything. I really have to do that with a clear mind. I would have hoped I had this earlier this morning already :/
So sleep over everything. Then reread SL again. Reread HF again. Hope that Shlog posted and finally do his stuff.

On December 03 2016 15:24 sicklucker wrote:
I just dont think tis very likely I would be double bussed day 1 rels to add to what you were asking.. Like those are mostly new players and I have never played with any of them ffs

On December 03 2016 23:41 sicklucker wrote:
not all reads are made on meta. If shapelog does that as mafai then hes bad and should feel bad. but i doubt it

On December 04 2016 06:17 Rels wrote:

Now that we're almost confirmed that c8 is not fake afking with the replacement thing, let's see if he's modelled today first

On December 04 2016 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
ticktock be honest your just mad i scum read you all of last game so its my turn right?

On December 04 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:


This was actually seriously starting to go through my head tbh

On December 05 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
I hate his flippant read so I'll be flippant!

On December 05 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
GG!

On December 05 2016 07:07 emperorchampion wrote:


Same thought as mine?

On December 05 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:



Or he can be town and trying to eat a shot... there are other options... its wifom and we should figure it out later...

On December 05 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Rels you know mafia can change their actions in the resultion period right?

Tell me. Are you keeping this cc legitimately or are you going to rescind it? This is a 100% legitimate question because my next move is not a joke.

On December 05 2016 07:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Unless I'm off base with darth/mahrgell this game is really down to Onegu v TT. If Onegu can make a convincing case, then this game could be in a very very good position.

On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:

That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over

On December 05 2016 20:18 mahrgell wrote:
Hm... but continueing my thought on the JK...
If we assume
Rels: Scum or JK
SL: VT or Scum

Then as long as there is no CC for Doc/JK... Rels has to be the JK here. So I'm inclined to follow the call for a CC, if there is any...
I'm just not so sure how this automatically makes SL scum and I'm having kinda bad feelings about the amount of players pushing this idea here. If there is something concerning about SL, it is everything but his JK claim...

On December 05 2016 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
He's either jk or mafia. Never vt

On December 06 2016 01:01 Rels wrote:

He didnt rescind his claim when he quoted my claim -> he is putting town in a claim ear situation for no reason + I'm also a possible Lynch if people believe he's jk over me.
You're the one not making sense. You might have a really defined idea in your head but listen to people who have experience: sicklucker is NOT VT. You can decode he's jk or you can decide I'm jk.

On December 06 2016 01:54 Onegu wrote:



I thought mafia did know the setup...

On December 06 2016 01:56 sicklucker wrote:
still hf is really wrong about everything this game including emp being scum

On December 06 2016 02:11 sicklucker wrote:
Like I said at first I just assumed we were in a jailkeeper world since I didnt even bother to read the op like always. later when i realised it I used that to make the fakeclaim convning for mafia they didnt bite. which is another unfortunate event like rels play that has doomed us. I figured I could sell it with my hardon for Hf and I was the only one who made any sense to save him/

Mafia knowing the setup makes sense since they have more information but that didnt occur to me tbh. well this blows

On December 06 2016 02:17 sicklucker wrote:


making assumptions is literally all i do in mafia dude. your gonna be so salty when I flip vt..
Just remember when that happens it was part your fault for assuming I was mafia and not giving me a chance to recind by rescinding BEFORE THE DAY EVEN FUCKING STARTS

On December 06 2016 02:27 Rels wrote:
Basically you changed versions twice already. Stop trying mate.

You're going to get lynched. You were the scummiest player alive BEFORE the fakeclaim. And the town explanation behind the fakeclaim makes no sense when the scum explanation does: you TMI slipped, then you fakeclaimed at a weird time to gain towncred and making the real JK cc since you were probably the next lynch, then now your best bet at not getting lynched is rescinding. IDK if you always thought of rescinding or not, I suppose you were waiting to see what was the best option.

And that's jsut taking into account the fakeclaim, which by itself should get you lynched. Before that you were already soooo scummy. So basically you're dead.

So STOP DEFENDING YOURSELF. Go and take the 30 hours you have and find scum if you're really the unluckiest town ever. You're not getting out of today alive.

On December 06 2016 02:28 emperorchampion wrote:
I just can't wrap my head around how sl's fake claim has town intent. I guess I'll believe his reasons if he flips green.

On December 06 2016 02:48 emperorchampion wrote:
Look mafia hasn't done shit this game. They can't even get a single mislynch. We were generous by giving them our cop for free, our jailkeeper for free, and two free mislynches. AND they still might lose. The only way mafia will win is if town flounders around enough and can't get their shit together.

On December 06 2016 03:42 Holyflare wrote:
You're like a terrible robot ticktock that has to make posts that sheep people and be politically correct and clinical. There's no passion in you and absolutely no tinfoil on these claims.

I miss the old lynch on day 1 you man.

On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:


Right now my stance looks like this:

1. Rels
9. mahrgell
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock

2. Holyflare
4. Onegu

11. sicklucker

On December 06 2016 03:52 mahrgell wrote:


You acknowledge Onegus vote and wait for Onegu to case you twice... And simply ignore the stuff thats already out there. Why you ask him out? Why not come for me or respond there.

Even Emp clearly had doubts here. Why not ask him why he distrusts you?

Making it look like a lynch on you only depends on an afk is just... beh. And really not a first in this game... Like most your "interaction" this game has been with afks... Talking to people who can respond is more fruitful...

On December 06 2016 03:56 Holyflare wrote:
No.

Look at this.

Sl = mafia fake claiming jk, never in a million years does he send kp. Jk rels blocks me. I'm confirmed town.

Deal with it.

On December 06 2016 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Yes?

On December 06 2016 04:25 sicklucker wrote:
I was going to unclaim 1 minute before deadline but I was late. fucking hilliarious rels probably got the idea from me in previous games. its bad in his spot tho. so very bad prevents the fucking cc.

On December 06 2016 04:27 Rels wrote:

Cause it s so scummy it has to be town right.
+ I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his reads all game. So careful, so logical. HF & Rels & marhgell & LS are all super town! Doesn't make sense for TT. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced.

On December 06 2016 04:32 Rels wrote:

Sadly both of them has shown that they are capable to just disappear as town )= I would never lynch them over EC / TT right now. But since I will confirm one tomorrow and the other will be lynched, the next day if the game isn't over you can bring them up.

On December 06 2016 04:36 sicklucker wrote:
or for fuck sakes onegu or darthfoley can be the jailkeeper. lololol

On December 06 2016 04:39 Rels wrote:

Cause he made a post and didn't rescind his claim.
I didn't turn around on the SL one post, I turn around because I slept and thought about it

On December 06 2016 05:49 Rels wrote:

That's the shitty read I was remembering about. Nobody townread us both at that point, and that's a bad reason to think we're both town. That's just a very safe read towards the players he perceives as the strongest.

On December 06 2016 06:32 sicklucker wrote:


yes and i would have unclaimed at the start of the day. rels beat me too it by claiming the at night lol

On December 06 2016 06:36 Holyflare wrote:


Now you're saying we should lynch sl......???

On December 06 2016 07:02 emperorchampion wrote:


Why is onegu town? That's a bit out of no where.

On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:


Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out.

On December 06 2016 07:17 emperorchampion wrote:


2 birds 1 stone. If Onegu can make a compelling case, there's reason to town read him. That's why I want him to step up.

On December 06 2016 07:19 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now?

On December 06 2016 08:04 emperorchampion wrote:

Combination of:
1) Wants to lynch me.
2) I don't like how much time he's spent proving how town he must be, I just want him to find some mafia.
3) Tin-foil with possible teams, sl/hf seems un-likely but I don't know on the others.

I just don't know on so many things now.

On December 06 2016 08:15 Tictock wrote:


Right now I'm seeing a lot of people posting new thoughts about the game.

The two people who most stand out as not really adding new thinking and posting more reactionary are you and SL.

SL is basically just defending himself which could kinda go either way for him but I don't really buy his defense. Honestly it mostly just feels like SL has been in constant flail mode since he started getting so much flack for his kinda TMI read of Shape.

Your posts have been super all over the place where you state one stance on people. Like HF dropping so far, or calling SL scum fakeclaimimg who might actually flip green.

HF is a possible scumread but I can follow his thinking too well today to call him scum with a straight face.

Onegu is the big question mark since he won't post his flipping case on me.

On December 06 2016 08:31 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT you don't think that sl can flip green? For me it's like red 60/40 green idk.

With regards to HF I'm running out of other people who can be mafia. Could be darth maybe, or mahrgell, but I'd take them over HF. You, I'm really not sure on. Plenty of reasons to scum read you I suppose, but I think you've played well last day or so.

On December 06 2016 08:40 emperorchampion wrote:


Can you explain the last sentence a bit more: you think SL is red, and I'm his partner. But you can be the next lynch afterwards?

On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?

On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?

On December 06 2016 09:00 emperorchampion wrote:


I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then:


ofc subbing you for me.

On December 06 2016 09:03 emperorchampion wrote:


Nah I'm more mafia on than town for sl right now. Really thinking about who else could be red though. My list is pretty much still as in my most previous post.

On December 06 2016 09:09 emperorchampion wrote:


Hmm I liked the point that rels made about this post:


And I think you've been re-evaluating the game quite a bit. I dunno just feels similar to me right now. What Onegu thinks can contribute, just like anyone elses case could. I don't think that Onegu's thoughts are any more important than other people. I just wanted something to evaluate his thinking on, cause that's a major blind spot for like 2 days now.

On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote:
Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me

On December 06 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote:


I can agree to that which is why its hard to find the last mafia for me. I dont have alot of options and I thought they were all townie pre relations bullshit. and onegus voting ticktock which is townie afaik since I know im town

On December 06 2016 15:51 emperorchampion wrote:
sigh, time zones suck

Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town?

On December 06 2016 15:58 emperorchampion wrote:


Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything.

On December 06 2016 15:51 emperorchampion wrote:
sigh, time zones suck

Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town?

On December 06 2016 16:06 emperorchampion wrote:


I just read him as mafia, since it seems like he might intentionally be playing as a wild card.

On December 07 2016 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
At least from the conversation that achieved nothing tt and emperor aren't likely partners.

On December 06 2016 15:58 emperorchampion wrote:


Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything.

On December 06 2016 16:08 emperorchampion wrote:


I didn't think that shape was mafia, and had a possibility of coming back / voting / doing something. c8 it was pretty obvious was not going to come back, so I just tossed my vote there.

On December 02 2016 10:25 emperorchampion wrote:


Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK.

On December 02 2016 10:42 emperorchampion wrote:
8. Checkm8
3. Shapelog
4. Onegu
1. Rels
12. Tictock

6. darthfoley

One of these people right now. Hard time deciding the order, but something like this.

On December 02 2016 17:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Well in any case shape looks worse after his last few posts, but I dunno. We'll see what the next 24hrs bring!

On December 03 2016 16:42 emperorchampion wrote:
Now we just wait until shape flips town and the game gets interesting again

On December 04 2016 04:54 emperorchampion wrote:


Yeah I can vote for shape, seems likely he's maf at this point. Feel like it doesn't really matter at this point tho.

On December 07 2016 04:20 Rels wrote:

Le irony

On December 07 2016 07:00 Onegu wrote:
TT still mafia

On December 07 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:

Nope. Your attitude was too weird alst night, and that makes one unreadable dude out of the POE for the last two lynches.

On December 07 2016 07:52 darthfoley wrote:


surprise surprise i'm almost certainly confirmed town

On December 07 2016 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
if it's mahrgell and my tinfoil was right i'm going to be so pleased with myself

On December 07 2016 10:32 Rels wrote:

What do you mean ?

On December 07 2016 10:38 Rels wrote:

What do you mean ?

On December 07 2016 10:44 darthfoley wrote:
Right now I think emperor is more likely that last mafia than TT, but I haven't spent too much time thinking about it yet. Would be super sick if it's Onegu and Rels goes ham on him with the JK

On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town.

Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +, #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF.

Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403
+ Show Spoiler +

Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time.

LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing.

darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well.

Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game.

Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town.

mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here.

emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me.

This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick.

I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin.

sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way

NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.

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##Vote: emperorchampion

Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though.

On December 07 2016 10:50 Rels wrote:

So it's not a meta reference ?
EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I.

On December 07 2016 11:00 Rels wrote:

You played in his first two games (newbie XXI and presidential), in both you were town and he was scum

On December 07 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote:


Spolier alert: I'm not mafia

On December 07 2016 11:14 Rels wrote:

What does that even mean ?

On December 07 2016 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Darth is also the one that tried to divert the day 1 lynch, he hasn't done much for the past few cycles but make sheep posts.

Maybe I'm tinfoiling a bit but the jk rb is all we have left to mega confirm someone and lynching onegu is far easier if we need to do that.

SL tried to push Darth fairly hard D2, and based on SL's D1 vote I find it far more likely that scum bussed NU D1 than tried to blatantly move the lynch off NU.

On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game

On December 07 2016 23:07 Holyflare wrote:


Why does it matter who sl pushed? Mafia's tactic was to clearly bus their team mates, you're literally saying that Mafia's strategy was to bus NU but now you're saying sl couldn't have bussed df and it confirms him?

It wasn't even a push.

On December 07 2016 23:08 mahrgell wrote:


Before you offered yourself to be lynched day4... Where did the self sacrifice go?
Shouldn't you prefer "check TT, lynch Onegu" over "check Onegu, lynch TT"? In that case you could lobby yourself for the lynch on D5 on Emp. (always assuming the game goes that far) Why you wanna let Onegu do that in your stead?

On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:

I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK.
And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=

On December 08 2016 01:52 Holyflare wrote:
And people don't plan to bus their team it just happens when they play badly.

On December 08 2016 03:01 emperorchampion wrote:
Like I'm getting so frustrated with TT since he has the same reads as me day 1. Your day 2 case doesn't make any sense, and you refused to address it, and day 3 again you have the same reads as me. All throughout you tunnel me relentlessly. I just don't know man.

On December 08 2016 04:57 emperorchampion wrote:


rels is a god, TT seems like the best choice

On December 07 2016 12:59 emperorchampion wrote:
Town has time to lynch both of us right? So this can't be your path to victory. I dunno I don't think you can be mafia. Unless you think that you can makes some crazy save after all the shit you've thrown at me since day 1. So unless Onegu is maf I'm really confused right now.

On December 08 2016 07:04 Holyflare wrote:



Slam dunk, gg