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On November 30 2016 23:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Anyways I will be gone for a couple hours.
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Nha if we don't lynch NU we lynch Onegu. There is no reason to keep him alive to eventually lynch him D4 or something.
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On December 01 2016 03:28 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 03:23 Onegu wrote:On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 03:59 Shapelog wrote:
EC do you think LS is town? Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? I really dont like any of EC's posts. Almost none of them give anything concrete except TT later in his filter. A bunch of his posts are like this one, not giving a actual stance, and then trying to get someone elses read. It seems really opportunistic to me. But even after he makes his TT read he keeps his vote on NU saying he needs feedback? I feel he is playing scared mafia. I would be ok with my vote on him. If you look at his fliter TT was right even though he is voting NU he is waffleing on him so much, yet he keeps his vote on him after calling him scum. mahrgell too is similar in that regard re: his read on me kept going back and forth with no solid stance. His solid stance like emp (though he seems to be waffling again a bit) happened after koshi stated he full on scum-read me. Also, I read Rels' filter and didn't find anything mafier. I still think he is town for the SL timing post.
I am still looking at filters and going through the ones that I remember having a problem with. Problem is a bunch of people I dont even remember what they were saying and if it had any import at all.
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On December 01 2016 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Nha if we don't lynch NU we lynch Onegu. There is no reason to keep him alive to eventually lynch him D4 or something.
Why would you lynch me Koshi?
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On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town. Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players , #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF. Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403+ Show Spoiler +Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion: Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time. LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing. darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well. Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game. Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town. mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here. emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me. On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick. I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.
##Vote: emperorchampionSeems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though. Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions: 1) TT is not following the game at all, or 2) TT is mafia. Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU. 1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance. 2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily. 3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion. 4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline: a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609. b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT. c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target. d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF. In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well. @NU why is this a good post? 1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town. 2) bleh 3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me. 4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum. But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts.
When I read it the first time I felt convinced particularly of point 1 and 4d. Now that you gave your insight I find it bland. Especially since he calls out TT for scum-reading him when they have the same thoughts in regards to HF, LS and Kosh.
Somehow I'm not sold that he is mafia. I think it's because I felt like he believed in what he posted.
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Your progression on me is so weird. You keep saying I am fine, but then compare me to players like DI playing scum when you know I dont play like anyone else. You are putting things on me that are just not true.
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On December 01 2016 03:11 mahrgell wrote:
To bring up my unanswered question from earlier:
@Tictock: (voting emp) : You had a full scumread on emp, half scum on NU. You think they both can be scum? Will you stay on Emp?
@Rels: (voting HF): Quite a while since you posted. Still convinced on HF? He posted quite some stuff since then. If this train dies down (seems like it) what is your updated opinion on NU vs Emp.
@DF: (voting HF): You mentioned you consider HF,SL or Emp as viable lynches. HF and SL posted. So you are now on Emp if it would come down to Emp vs NU?
@CM8: (not voting): Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now?
To answer your question, i'm willing to leave HF be for D1-- i'll defer to more experienced players regarding the utility of keeping him in the game if he's town (basically not being a smart D1 lynch). The one thing I remember sticking out to me that I liked from HF was how he called out Rels's mahrgell read.
On November 30 2016 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot nu because it gives so much information about a lot of people. It would give extra light to koshi's theories and maybe make people take some harder stances before then. I expect people to be active around deadline and I'll try and write something useful for it.
I don't know why you liked onegu's post though it said absolutely nothing other than hard defending me when I don't need to be and are one of the hardest people to read on this site.
Lynch nu for info/possibly mafia
Onegu for likely mafia
Probably rels or one of the people I haven't read.
You should comment on what I wrote about rels btw. He said you looked nothing like town you and did absolutely nothing about it and instead pushed me who was going after someone he said looked weird. Just because you mistook me for Skynx shouldn't change his dislike of your "new style".
That post is very town to me. I originally read Rels as town for kinda backing of mahrgell on that post, but in retrospect he backed off for no real explained reason which is not something I remember town!Rels doing much in the games I've played with him.
Similarly I liked emporer's post about TT and I thought he brought up good points regarding how TT was basically disagreeing with all his townreads and voting for someone all his town reads were town reading. That progression doesn't really make sense. I liked TT's post at first glance but I was kinda lazy and didn't analyze it carefully last night. Don't think emperor is the right lynch.
I still think sicklucker has been pretty inadequate. I agree that D1 is generally annoying and really arbitrary, but him parking his vote 4 hours before the deadline and peacing out has approximately 0 town vibes to it. This might not be a thing but I also found it weird how sicklucker voted in the vote thread but didn't announce it in the discussion thread. Maybe that's normal for people to do but i've never seen it.
Checkm8 has disappeared, i'd like a reminder as to why people think captain newb is town.
I'll have to reexamine NU.
Don't like this universal town read on LS, considering that's how he won the last game i played with him. I still haven't seen any reasons to town read him besides "tonal/vibes/feels" that I don't share.
Before examining the cases on NU, I think TT is a pretty good lynch right now considering I think his claim that he's playing D1 like he always does is pretty shite, along with emp's case.
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Again you can have town reads and disagree with them. That doesnt make you scum.
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I'd feel bad if we lynch TT and he's town though, I want to lynch him every game :D
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On November 30 2016 23:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 23:39 Onegu wrote:
And to the second point. Koshi wants to win. And if Koshi is mafia and HF town like I think Koshi wants to be HF. You cant use the he wouldnt be motivated if he was scum again as a excuse for Koshi. I don't see his personality be able to play like this as scum after rolling scum like 5-6 games in a row.
Why LS? He wants to win period.
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On November 29 2016 12:36 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote:On November 29 2016 07:26 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:
country songs dont count they think their cousin is wife material... How can you believe anything they say?
Whoa there par'ner! Just cause the folk that l'sen to strum of the banjo may be cousins, dun mean that the singers are? Catch ma drift? Racist....and a bit songist Gosh your Canadian, does your national anthem not tell you anything? Hey man, I was defending country music! One "farm for 15min to get a blink dagger that you start with for free in LoL as spell" gu was the one knocking it! I'll post some more serious stuff after this guys
I really really don't like this last sentence for some reason.
On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at?
I asked him to walk me through his read progression on me and he replied with this. How does where I am at in the game change/affect the read progression he has on me?
I'd also like an answer to that question I asked @ec.
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On December 01 2016 03:35 Onegu wrote:
Your progression on me is so weird. You keep saying I am fine, but then compare me to players like DI playing scum when you know I dont play like anyone else. You are putting things on me that are just not true.
I am not saying you are fine. I do not know what you are.
This is my problem with you:
There is no way your goal this game is to be a player inside the towncircle. Instead you put yourself somewhere outside there, marginalizing yourself with reads so farfetched nobody will ever take them seriously, and you will survive, solely because nobody understands wtf you are doing and why you are doing it.
And that scares me.
And you started with this unbelievable shitty trolly w.e the fuck scumread on me from second 1 in this game. And for some magical reason it sticks. Even though so much happens. Nha.
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On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town. Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players , #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF. Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403+ Show Spoiler +Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion: Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time. LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing. darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well. Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game. Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town. mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here. emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me. On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick. I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.
##Vote: emperorchampionSeems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though. Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions: 1) TT is not following the game at all, or 2) TT is mafia. Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU. 1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance. 2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily. 3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion. 4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline: a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609. b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT. c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target. d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF. In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well. @NU why is this a good post? 1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town. 2) bleh 3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me. 4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum. But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts.
Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong"
Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours
Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows
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EBWOP wouldn't there be a caveat*
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On November 29 2016 08:45 Koshi wrote:town? Really? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dbqYZgt.gif)
On November 29 2016 08:46 Onegu wrote:
Dont believe you you rolled scum again Koshi.
On November 29 2016 09:14 Onegu wrote:
Dont listen to Koshi I know he just wants me out of the game. Because he now knows I will tunnel him into oblivion. Damn scummer.
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This is how it started. And it just sticks. Forever.
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So. It was a joke at first then you were actually scum.
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See also how you already state for some reason you will tunnel me into oblivion since minute 1.
Why?
Based on what?
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On December 01 2016 03:52 Koshi wrote:
See also how you already state for some reason you will tunnel me into oblivion since minute 1.
Why?
Based on what?
It was a joke at first. I always start trolly. Then you didnt give me a actual reason to town read you.
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On December 01 2016 03:53 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 03:52 Koshi wrote:
See also how you already state for some reason you will tunnel me into oblivion since minute 1.
Why?
Based on what? It was a joke at first. I always start trolly. Then you didnt give me a actual reason to town read you.
Where in the game did you scumread me? Explain that.
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