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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
November 30 2016 19:12 GMT
#961
Phone screwed up and I'm out of time I'll check in before deadline and move my vote
I can take that responsibility.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 19:12 GMT
#962
On December 01 2016 03:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:
On December 01 2016 01:27 emperorchampion wrote:
On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote:
Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town.

Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler +
Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players
, #453, #494, #507. So I'm tempted to townlean HF, however I'm not convinced any of this is outside his mafia wheelhouse so it's just a weak lean for now. In fact thinking about it more there are similarities to his push on gell and how he pushed me in (I think?) his last scum game. He was also fairly lackluster D1 in that game until he pushed for shenanigans onto Rels at EoD. Guess I'm pretty null/conflicted on HF.

Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403
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Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion:
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook.


Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time.

LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing.

darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well.

Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game.

Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town.

mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here.

emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me.
On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now.

This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick.

I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin.

sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way

NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut.



##Vote: emperorchampion

Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though.


Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions:
1) TT is not following the game at all, or
2) TT is mafia.

Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU.

1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance.
2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily.
3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion.
4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline:
a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609.
b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT.
c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target.
d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF.

In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well.



@NU why is this a good post?

1) You can town read people and think they are wrong. Just because they think someone is scum doesnt mean you have to think they are correct if you think they are town.

2) bleh

3) Why is it odd. If you think you caught 2 scum on day 1 that seems fairly normal to me.

4) I dont really find anything worth town reading EC for. Who cares what your reads are and if I agree with some of them or not that isnt what makes someone town or scum, Its the reasons for which he finds them town or scum.

But then he waffles on actually scum reading him and looks at other people for their thoughts.


Referring to 1) yea that's true, but if that were the case, would there be a caveat saying something along the lines of that? "These are my town reads but I believe they are all conveniently wrong"

Also, isn't it a good idea D1 to sheep your town reads, especially if they all have similar reads on one person? By disagreeing with them (assuming your TR on them is correct), there are 9 people left excluding yourself. Of those 9, 3 are mafia (1/3). The chance of you getting on a train without mafia influence at that point is really low. Makes no sense to a) not address your disagreement with your TRs in the first place and 2) not sheep or inquire more to them about emperor; after all, why wouldn't you want to hear their collective opinions more? He hasn't done that in the past 18 hours

Also said he would give townleans to the people who voted on HF, then didn't townlean me. Why? Who knows


I'd like Onegu and NU to respond to this. Explain to me why it makes sense to disregard your three townreads, not ask them more about their scum read you disagree with, and resign your preferred lynch train to have large mafia influence assuming your town reads are correct. This line of play doesn't make sense for an experienced town player. You're basically resigning yourself to vote WITH mafia on someone
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:14 GMT
#963
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 19:15 GMT
#964
well now he's voting for NU. Meh
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:15 GMT
#965
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.

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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:15 GMT
#966
On December 01 2016 04:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Well you will lose vs EC everyday. But fine. You can get lynched.

Also, you didn't even have time to read my post and the points i made against EC. Don't fucking talk to me if you're not going to read what I post. It also shows that you are not willing to reevaluate your read on me nor ec.

I had the time and I read every single word. stfu.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 19:16 GMT
#967
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 19:17 GMT
#968
Why aren't you pushing TT lynch emp? Still plenty of time before EoD
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:17 GMT
#969
On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??


I think I can explain since I'm in a similar boat: What NU and Onegu just posted on the past 2 pages or so is so crazy, even I think that Onegu is scum before TT at this moment in time.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:18 GMT
#970
On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??

TT/Rels/Shapelog I want to keep longer in the game atm.

TT is the worst out of the 3 but I also feels he gets a lot of flak and almost nobody defends him even a little bit. I can see him be town. He made a couple townie insinuations and also his early game can come from town.

If you really want a towncase I can make it. But atm I do not want to lynch him.
I had a good night of sleep.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:20 GMT
#971
Everything they posted screams of scum panicking and trying to get a lynch off somewhere else. Absolutely 0 town thinking from either of them. Trying to lynch me after multiple pages of people at very least "feeling better about me" is so out of line. It doesn't look like they're trying to solve the game, just look for things that could possibly make me look bad and run with it.

Complete panic in my opinion, and it will take A LOT to convince me otherwise.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 30 2016 19:20 GMT
#972
On December 01 2016 04:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Well you will lose vs EC everyday. But fine. You can get lynched.

I am 100% town.

I don't care about stupid statements like that.

EC is obvious town. You knew it when you talked to him.
You are forgetting it now because he is probably the easiest target that isn't mafia with you.

His list is brilliant.
I agree with everything he said.
He has made a ton of posts that are more likely to come from town than mafia.
And he did great analysis of posts + situations.
And when he talks to you he always keeps an open mind but clearly tries to figure you out more.


And when you talk to him you are defensive as fuck. But when he is not around you backstab him.



If you are right and he is mafia and you are town. You got so outplayed you should be ashamed and full of respect.

His list IS YOUR LIST. His stances are easy everywhere, just read my post, it shows him scum-reading all the inactive and trolly players and not being able to commit a read on LS me and mahr.

When am I ever not defensive as fuck?

You wrote your case on me when I was not around. You said that Rels is likely to be mafia when he was not around.

I am not the one who is getting outplayed here if he is mafia, you are the one to TR him. Shame. SHame. Shame.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:20 GMT
#973
TT is also a player that gets misslynched a shitton D1. This does not make him any more town this game, but it is something to keep in mind. It's not that it is impossible for him to look scummy as fuck and still be town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:23 GMT
#974
On December 01 2016 04:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:08 Koshi wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Well you will lose vs EC everyday. But fine. You can get lynched.

I am 100% town.

I don't care about stupid statements like that.

EC is obvious town. You knew it when you talked to him.
You are forgetting it now because he is probably the easiest target that isn't mafia with you.

His list is brilliant.
I agree with everything he said.
He has made a ton of posts that are more likely to come from town than mafia.
And he did great analysis of posts + situations.
And when he talks to you he always keeps an open mind but clearly tries to figure you out more.


And when you talk to him you are defensive as fuck. But when he is not around you backstab him.



If you are right and he is mafia and you are town. You got so outplayed you should be ashamed and full of respect.

His list IS YOUR LIST. His stances are easy everywhere, just read my post, it shows him scum-reading all the inactive and trolly players and not being able to commit a read on LS me and mahr.

When am I ever not defensive as fuck?

You wrote your case on me when I was not around. You said that Rels is likely to be mafia when he was not around.

I am not the one who is getting outplayed here if he is mafia, you are the one to TR him. Shame. SHame. Shame.

Yes, I also got massively outplayed. I agree, I even got more outplayed than you. Tis true.

I also tend to mafia read people when they are gone. But I pressure them hard when they around and I want to read them. Look at HF, look at mahrgell. Then they easy my mind with good replies and I back off again.

Rels will have to do the same.



And the initial list from EC came before my first list. So he didn't copy me.
I had a good night of sleep.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 30 2016 19:23 GMT
#975
On December 01 2016 04:17 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??


I think I can explain since I'm in a similar boat: What NU and Onegu just posted on the past 2 pages or so is so crazy, even I think that Onegu is scum before TT at this moment in time.

Nothing I posted is crazy.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:24 GMT
#976
btw EC is in the fucking thread right now. Maybe talk to your biggest scumread?
I had a good night of sleep.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:24 GMT
#977
On December 01 2016 04:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:08 Koshi wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:04 Koshi wrote:
Well you will lose vs EC everyday. But fine. You can get lynched.

I am 100% town.

I don't care about stupid statements like that.

EC is obvious town. You knew it when you talked to him.
You are forgetting it now because he is probably the easiest target that isn't mafia with you.

His list is brilliant.
I agree with everything he said.
He has made a ton of posts that are more likely to come from town than mafia.
And he did great analysis of posts + situations.
And when he talks to you he always keeps an open mind but clearly tries to figure you out more.


And when you talk to him you are defensive as fuck. But when he is not around you backstab him.



If you are right and he is mafia and you are town. You got so outplayed you should be ashamed and full of respect.

His list IS YOUR LIST. His stances are easy everywhere, just read my post, it shows him scum-reading all the inactive and trolly players and not being able to commit a read on LS me and mahr.

When am I ever not defensive as fuck?

You wrote your case on me when I was not around. You said that Rels is likely to be mafia when he was not around.

I am not the one who is getting outplayed here if he is mafia, you are the one to TR him. Shame. SHame. Shame.


I will go on record here to say that mahr is super town atm.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:26 GMT
#978
On December 01 2016 04:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:17 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote:
On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote:
The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu.

I am not interested in anything else D1.
I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though.


Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever??


I think I can explain since I'm in a similar boat: What NU and Onegu just posted on the past 2 pages or so is so crazy, even I think that Onegu is scum before TT at this moment in time.

Nothing I posted is crazy.

again. defensive as fuck. short message.


That is your biggest scumread. You don't want to engage him hard? Throw all the suspicion you have over his head? You do that every other game I saw against your scumreads. Tunnel and massive pressure. This game? Little pussycat.
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I had a good night of sleep.
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
November 30 2016 19:27 GMT
#979
I have to go and can't be there before EoD. If I'm lynched, so be it, I didn't do my job of being town-read. Perhaps I really need to rely on other shit to be town-read. I'm VT fwiw. Good luck.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:30 GMT
#980
Fair enough.

REMEMBER PEOPLE GET YOUR VOTES IN SOON

Let's keep things moving.
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