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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
November 30 2016 19:31 GMT
#981
Votecount has been corrected. Sorry!
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 19:35 GMT
#982
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 19:38 GMT
#983
On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.


Yeah hopefully people will show back up and mix things up a bit. So far I haven't seen anything to change my perspective on the game. For now we hold the line and see what comes out.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 30 2016 19:57 GMT
#984
On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.

You can not just say, hey let's not lynch the guy who we all scumread and have good reasons for to be mafia, let's lynch the guy who is mia, without saying why we should lynch him.

being mia is pretty null.

These posts look townie.
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.

No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum.



Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha...

On November 30 2016 15:36 Checkm8 wrote:
Ok caught up. With recent posts I now think Koshi is more likely town than mafia. Rels might also be town. They're pushing town forward with each discussion they make.
Scum circle for me is still NU, while I'm now scum reading Onegu. The latter seemed like he was commenting a lot early on and then suddenly went down a cliff. Also to note that nothing he said was actually with that much content, and that he's only poking some chosen people every once in a while. The friendly tone thing also applies to him.




disagree?
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 30 2016 20:07 GMT
#985
I want to lynch not nu for the swag but I can't really piece together an alternative that I actually care about. Maybe rels but I'm not sure if I want him dead yet.

Fwiw I agree with everything koshi has said about nu not pushing shit but I still get frustrated guy who needs to modconfirm himself to look town vibes from nu.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:07 GMT
#986
On December 01 2016 04:57 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote:
I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years.

Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu?

Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia.

You can not just say, hey let's not lynch the guy who we all scumread and have good reasons for to be mafia, let's lynch the guy who is mia, without saying why we should lynch him.

being mia is pretty null.

These posts look townie.
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

Show nested quote +
On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:
On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:
Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia.


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.

On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.

No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum.



Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha...

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2016 15:36 Checkm8 wrote:
Ok caught up. With recent posts I now think Koshi is more likely town than mafia. Rels might also be town. They're pushing town forward with each discussion they make.
Scum circle for me is still NU, while I'm now scum reading Onegu. The latter seemed like he was commenting a lot early on and then suddenly went down a cliff. Also to note that nothing he said was actually with that much content, and that he's only poking some chosen people every once in a while. The friendly tone thing also applies to him.




disagree?


I'm not saying lynch checkm8. Just saying his point about Onegu. Post some jokey friendly stuff then fuck right off for 24h. Which is exactly what checkm8 did. That mocha comment is exactly the type of comment he's scum reading Onegu for. So yea, I disagree with your hard town read of him. His reads have been pretty safe and non committal.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:08 GMT
#987
EBWOP: his point about Onegu posting *
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 30 2016 20:08 GMT
#988
I think I'm just wifoming myself out of reads though because it looks kind of straightforward otherwise.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 20:08 GMT
#989
How is it 2hrs till deadline and half the game hasn't voted yet.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 20:09 GMT
#990
On December 01 2016 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
I think I'm just wifoming myself out of reads though because it looks kind of straightforward otherwise.


Give us what you got and let's go from there
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:13 GMT
#991
I'm willing to vote for NU ATM if there aren't really viable trains on TT or sicklucker because of the promise of a treasure trove of info for the town. Can someone sell me on what info will be gleaned and why NU is the guy to gain that info from? Cuz there's been lots and back of forth on his alignment?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 20:19 GMT
#992
On December 01 2016 05:13 darthfoley wrote:
I'm willing to vote for NU ATM if there aren't really viable trains on TT or sicklucker because of the promise of a treasure trove of info for the town. Can someone sell me on what info will be gleaned and why NU is the guy to gain that info from? Cuz there's been lots and back of forth on his alignment?


Let's not lynch for info. Let's lynch because we think they're scum. Information can be discussed afterwards.

Do you think that NU is scum? If not, then let's discuss some other options.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:37 GMT
#993
Well I haven't had the time to properly look at his filter. Have some free time so i'll look at the case against him. The only thing that comes to mind is that both NU and Onegu pushed back on your TT case pretty hard. Considering that I found your case compelling, I was interested to hear their criticisms. I didn't like Onegu's particularly

However i'm really fucking confused with this game. You're telling me to vote for scum not for info yet you've parked your wagon on the person you didn't properly case and that you've been waffling on. You've made multiple points about how TT likely mafia but i'm the one pushing a TT train, and you haven't joined on, even after posting this

On December 01 2016 03:18 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 03:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Though I don't get how he can dedicate such thorough analysis on TT his scum-read and vote me because my actions make him feel uneasy.


Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state.


I feel like there's something so off about today. Especially the inactivity for many players. I just don't know what it is
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:41 GMT
#994
##Vote: Ticktock
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
November 30 2016 20:42 GMT
#995
1h20 before deadline and 5 people still haven't voted. This is certifiable fuckshit
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 30 2016 20:42 GMT
#996
Just chiming in quickly...

I stand with NU. Really, nothing has changed my mind on him. At this point the voices in my head telling me to give him a chance have simply got more and more silent.
Also I have nobody standing out more than him. Yes, there are a number of candidates who I have doubts about, but when I think about "who deserves another chance" I take them over NU. Even the inactive ones. NU has been here and posted thus had his chance to convince me. But instead of really starting to drop reads he went full defense. His posts are weak, but lack "rage".
When a townie is gonna die I usually expect one of either. Go full tilt about everyone else being a retard. Or remember that it does not matter if you get lynched D1, you can still win. So try your best to create an active EoD, so your teammates, although assholes who lynched you, have something to learn from.
But he is just rolling over -.-
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 30 2016 20:43 GMT
#997
On December 01 2016 05:37 darthfoley wrote:
Well I haven't had the time to properly look at his filter. Have some free time so i'll look at the case against him. The only thing that comes to mind is that both NU and Onegu pushed back on your TT case pretty hard. Considering that I found your case compelling, I was interested to hear their criticisms. I didn't like Onegu's particularly

However i'm really fucking confused with this game. You're telling me to vote for scum not for info yet you've parked your wagon on the person you didn't properly case and that you've been waffling on. You've made multiple points about how TT likely mafia but i'm the one pushing a TT train, and you haven't joined on, even after posting this

Show nested quote +
On December 01 2016 03:18 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 01 2016 03:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Though I don't get how he can dedicate such thorough analysis on TT his scum-read and vote me because my actions make him feel uneasy.


Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state.


I feel like there's something so off about today. Especially the inactivity for many players. I just don't know what it is


After this I went for a walk, and when I came back things were going to shit. NU is saying I'm town, then saying I'm not town and definietly mafia. Makes no sense. If he thinks I'm town, and wants to make a strong case to defend himself, why doesn't he go after TT? He was even scum reading TT iirc. That's what begins to solidify things in my mind for NU being mafia. Of course I'm not certain on anything, but it's the best I've got at the moment. A part of it is my town reads, they are all considering NU also.

Here's why info lynch is bad: the best person to lynch for "info" in my mind is koshi. If he flips town then I'm pretty much confirmed town, same with LS, since it means he wasn't just pulling things out of nowhere. If he flips mafia, he was trying to be some mafia mastermind and we eliminated him. At the end of the day this is a terrible lynch and makes no sense. Don't lynch for info, at least not at this point.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
November 30 2016 20:48 GMT
#998
Also quick thought on this activity nightmare:
If it was nobody posting, but everyone parking his vote, I would usually be inclined to feel like it is scum who are just happy about a coming ml and let the game die out.
This game is different. It is actually people not voting. Idk if they are simply not online and really set an alarm for minutes before deadline... Or if they are lurking and waiting. Chances are theres some lurkers amongst those. And this feels more like scum waiting if any non-NU train is realizing, then quickly jumping in, voting it, saving a mate, and later play the "I was not able to to fully read everything and had to gut feel vote, sorry, went wrong"
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 30 2016 20:48 GMT
#999
On November 30 2016 19:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2016 19:45 Koshi wrote:
HF do you think Rels is possible mafia?


All I know about rels is that he posted about Marcel and said that he/she was completely different to last game, complained about margarine's approach to the game being wildly different and bad and then voted me for pressuring his read.

Margaret doesn't even appear in his scum list at the end of it.

I think his read through was bad and achieved nothing, said nothing of note and then he left. He could very well be mafia.

Yeah I was suspecting him while catching up, then I read some good posts of him and when I was done catching up I didn't think he was scum anymore.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 30 2016 20:48 GMT
#1000
And it actually points at me being town more than scum. As scum I don't change my reads for no reason and I push weaker players
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