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Onegu
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Football time now. I am american and thats what we do on sunday. Not church. Our church is football. | ||
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Holyflare
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mahrgell
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On December 12 2016 05:24 Holyflare wrote: What does your last post even mean wtf? At what point have I hidden anything? That you suddenly valueing TTs contributions is hard to believe. And that you not seeing any cases where holding back stuff is useful. Especially when scum has not yet decided on his final nightkill... and can either easily wifom of the victim or just remove a suspicious guy... But as I said... I dont think this discussion is relevant... Would be more interested in the question of who is scum if not you  --- I have a rather packed day tmrw... so gonna be off for now... I should be able to follow the game tmrw via phone and post if it is really necessary, then I should be available in the evening until deadline... | ||
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Onegu
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Its how hard NU was bussing SL... I mean that was his like only scum read. Kinda makes me think scum qt SL was like hey everyone just bus me hard... I am looking at stuff I will post what I feel. | ||
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Onegu
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Onegu
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But I will say one thing HF may have acutally killed me if he was scum over TT because he knows I am capable of AFK voting him. | ||
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Onegu
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The key is SL filter. They bussed each other all game. But when SL started getting pressure he jumped off of DF for very little reason. Moved him out of his scum read. ##Unvote ##Vote Darthfoley | ||
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darthfoley
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On December 12 2016 11:31 Onegu wrote: I HAVE FIGURED THE GAME OUT. The key is SL filter. They bussed each other all game. But when SL started getting pressure he jumped off of DF for very little reason. Moved him out of his scum read. ##Unvote ##Vote Darthfoley What scum motivation is there to put a lot of pressure on me, then backing off rapidly for no stated reason if we're both scum? I thought the strategy was to bus each other all game? SL had to know he was going to die and flip red; there is no benefit to doing this with SL so close to his assured lynch because it draws attention to our interactions. But, you'll say this is WIFOM. So, moving on. I also bolded your post because you conveniently leave out that I was adamantly against leaving both JK claims alive and I wanted to lynch SL almost right after Rels CC'd. Mahrgell and I were the pressure SL felt. Hell, if you wanna talk bussing, all HF mahrgell and I were very hard on him that day and "bussed" him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SL's read progression on Onegu + Show Spoiler + On November 30 2016 23:02 sicklucker wrote: I dont really think onegu is ever this tryhard as mafia. When I have seen him mafia he mostly trolled and fought me anyway On November 30 2016 23:04 sicklucker wrote: Like I have played against onegu mafia twice. and both times it was insanely obvious to me so much that i was doing assassination reads before he even flipped based on him being mafia and was right. dont see it here so far. Theres like context and acual thought and shit On November 30 2016 23:15 sicklucker wrote: I have no evidence that onegu is capable of this much thought and text as mafia from my limited experience. mostly hes just combatant and trolly but he has avoided that On December 03 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote: I mean im pretty sure thats this world lol. well 35% ish cm8 is a flip rest are town a bunch of the time On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote: Emp HolyFlare huge drop Ls Mahr onegu shapelog Ticktock checkm8??? who Rels Darthfole about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 06 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote: ticktock one of you or onegu. pretty easy poe. probably you. maybe df too tho but less likely On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote: Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me On December 06 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote: I can agree to that which is why its hard to find the last mafia for me. I dont have alot of options and I thought they were all townie pre rels bullshit. and onegus voting ticktock which is townie afaik since I know im town On December 06 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote: I would vote emp to save ticktock. think onegus way better tho This read progression gives me the heebiejeebies. First he town reads Onegu for saying Onegu doesn't try hard when he's mafia, he plays trolly mafia. There are two problems with this: one, the consensus was that Onegu was playing the early game trolly, or as HF would say, “like a shitter.” Secondly, that opinion of Onegu's scum playstyle directly contradicts Koshi's opinion who we know was town and therefore wasn't trying to deceive. On November 29 2016 19:14 Koshi wrote: If you read these people their post; Checkm8, EC, Mahrgell you can see they are the same alignment because their posts on NeverUnlucky. Even if NU is not red. Shape can still be mafia but his post on NU also went the right way. Just wishy washy as fuck and that is standard town!Shape. He knows whats up but couldn't nail it yet. darthfoley just solid posting. Shouldn't be considered atm. LS is my bro. Town posting style. Onegu would be playing out of the box mafia. But he is out of the box tryhard mafia. But he is doing too good of a job atm. So not lynchable. HF disappointing atm. Hopefully picks it up. TT also mafia. He's also indirectly stating that Onegu is “tryharding” this game when at the time, he had only put out one content post worth a damn. SL then spends half the game town reading Onegu for shit Onegu did D1. What really makes me suspicious is his reads late game, when he knows he's going to get lynched and flip red. It almost feels as if he realizes that his filter interaction with Onegu was lacking, so he puts out a few posts claiming Onegu is a “question mark” (yet still somehow a town read?) but then finishes by saying Onegu is a better lynch than emperorchampion (who SL had been town reading all game). Now, of course SL is “lying” in his reads because they aren't genuine, but he never actually tries to go after Onegu after saying he would be a good lynch. To me it seems like ultimate panic hedging. My concern has only gotten worse since I checked Onegu's filter and a ctrl+F only found 7 results for an interaction with sicklucker. To me, it kinda makes sense that their interactions would be so peripheral IF they're both mafia, and Onegu is telling the truth when he says On December 11 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote: Wow this is really what you are putting here? Me and SL are almost as bad as me and Koshi. IE we dont really get along. I was actually surprised he was jokey with me this game. It should have put off warning bells for me but didnt. Like HF wrote is is a nut and tries to make big plays just so he can. But his relationship with HF is much better than it is with me. And the self centered vet part is true. If you have terrible interpersonal chemistry, it makes sense why you'd try to stay out of each other's way, even if it's subconscious. I'm becoming less confident in my vote on HF, cuz that would require SL to super bus NU and super duper town read HF. I need to go to bed now, but i'll have some time tomorrow to analyze NU's filter and go through SL + mahrgell. | ||
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darthfoley
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Holyflare
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So, when Koshi says something like Onegu is try harding (but is ok for now) it's an imperfect read. However, if SL gives A LOT of reasoning for someone being town that isn't really what we're looking at in this game and pushes that point it is most likely him displaying his tmi, like the jk situation. That is why I've taken it to mean Onegu is towny so much. It's hard to make up stuff to that degree as mafia. Furthermore, if a mafia player is bussing their partner but then is given stuff to stop bussing their partner they should be willingly taking it. That is why I have great pause with you DF. SL kept you as a scum read even when presented with information that made you not mafia. He only backed down based on barely any information. A suspicious progression if I've seen one. | ||
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mahrgell
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With time slowly running low, I guess I can also say that I won't vote Onegu here... His own filter fits scum perfectly, but it is true that the filters of the known scum and oog stuff made my up my mind quite some time ago... Which leaves me with DF vs HF... HF: Yes, I originally expected Scum!HF to murder Onegu at night... And I was ready to jump him the moment Onegu dies, especially after he suddenly asked for TT and in general was really pushy to get information before EoN... And I'm kinda pissed at myself for actually pointing out those doubts during the night (let's come back to why hiding stuff is useful at night). From gut feeling, I (unsurprisingly) never felt good about HF. I think I pointed out my issues with his early game tunnels ignoring half the game and any questions. Him being so quick on declaring TOWNCONFIRMED on himself, with arguments he juggled as he needed is something that just screams... MEH to me... Yes, his bluecrumbs were terrible, but given the fact that there were less experienced players in the game, I still consider them an antitown play. You have to convince 2 scum that you are a blue, and chances of one seeing through it are high... But it is enough to convince one new blue (even Rels was obviously new enough) and you suck a protection where none is needed. There is still the issue with N2 though... Basically it is still the main reason why I doubt myself here... Giving SL KP had clear downsides with regarding to lylo if he gets blocked... (unless they changed the lynch last second... but given the short timeframe the possibility depends on how strict the mods were, were I would assume it not being possible) His later play I originally considered in line with Town!HF, but not with a Scum!HF cruising to victory... I admit that this read was probably simply my lack of experience. I didn't think the game would find that many turns in the coming days so I thought cruising to victory would have been way easier for him if he was scum... So let's consider this neut as it made sense for both alignments. N4 I detailed enough... Suddenly using "appeal to emotion" on everyone after bashing others for using it, in general the sudden change of tone and his unusual behaviour near EoN ticked me back on him. (I was originally looking into DF after his out of place defense) D5 here... uhm... I haven't seen much to change my mind on HF. Most was at best WIFOM and waiting for timecreep to cause doubts... But I guess regardless of his alignment I can consider his read on Onegu real, which kinda makes me feel better in that department. ----- DF: DF is pretty much the opposite of HF at this point... Especially his early game filter reads super fluent and reminds me of our last game... In general, the overall vibes I get from DF have always been more townish, at least early... Where he really dropped is later though. Basically since EoD2 I have the feeling he is mostly cruising by. This is not necessarily a change from his early game play, where he also followed that "observe and react" style... But it is simply not useful in a less populated endgame... And lazy sheeping is uncool, especially when he one post later flips 180° and goes for the accuser in the case he just supported and reasons with HF making that case... Talking about how we should kill HF over Emp (who DF considered topscum) again triggered my alarm bells... Yes, it certainly makes sense to sit at lylo with someone very scumsuspected... if you are scum yourself. His strange defense at EoD4 has been pointed out enough... And afterwards again, I lacked any initiative from him to solve the game, actually he was more concerned with defending himself. Regarding the argument of SLs filter... I'm not 100% sure if I wan't to WIFOM myself on the later stuff on SLs filter... I still feel like he intentionally tried to break rules there...But I guess HFs more detailed explanation makes kinda sense there... (then again, the more than obvious sliming from SL towards HF would also make perfectly sense in how I imagine that team in my mind ^.^) And well... there is still my doubt if SL would banzai with only DF goon on his team... (and again... even before Koshi!Cop died, SL's playstyle was full suicide mode) ---- Conclusion: I wish there was one... I guess: ##unvote Will think until I'm done here... and then back in the evening to decide... | ||
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mahrgell
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Sl did nothing, staple sl any alignment play. Day 2 nobody did anything, sl pushes df and stubbornly won't rescind his other reads despite evidence. Seems bit angry. Night 2, myself and LS proclaim we're going to lynch sl no matter what and he's forced to claim jk (to survive). Day 3 tries to survive by saying we shouldn't lynch between the claims and that's why he didn't rescind. Everything of that is survival of having reads and trying to mimic what he normally does. Just more angry and less wifomy. No suicide whatsoever. That means your basis for every read is completely off. | ||
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