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First thing that jumps out at me for HF is how much his reads changed from last night.
On December 08 2016 01:40 Holyflare wrote:
Nah it doesn't matter I love you really DF.
It's one of emp/tt/onegu so autopilout for life.
I get confirmed then HF rules out Onegu/Emp with words and gets super ramped up over a very iffy scum slip from Gell.
In response to Onegu:
On December 08 2016 07:27 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor's reaction just now was super towny maybe and I think sl went hardcore that you were town.
I also don't think you'd bother making a ticktock case just after sl got lynched.
Super flippant Emp read, halfway decent Onegu read. Not the worst post but this is to defend this new read on Gell which is actually really opportunistic assuming Gell is town.
Bunch of posts trying to get argumentative with me over Gell's supposed slip.
On December 08 2016 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
And if you're not mafia which is possible then you should be going agyer darthfoley and not emo
Look at this, trying to turn Gell on Darth. Breaking apart what was part of HF's town circle just last cycle.
On December 08 2016 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
His reaction was absolutely bad in comparison to the other two.
I am also definitely never lynching onegu so I don't entirely mind emo into darth if that'll make you sleep better
Now HF is negotiating with Gell. Letting him lynch Emp and then again pushing sus on Darth.
Bunch of posts that are either WIFOM or just don't jump out at me. Finally settles on Emp as being the "most logical, based on providing the least content"
Just have to call out that HF also makes a few comments that try to undermine my opinions. Somewhat natural since I'm proposing lynching him but they are also pretty cute attempts to make it sound like you shouldn't listen to me.
I find the dramatic shift in reads very worrying here and I really can't help but see half the things HF is trying to do is just keep shade on the townier people in the game as much as possible.
Honestly looking over the past 48-ish hours of HF's posts I am actually more concerned than I was before.
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Emp still isn't posting much so I don't expect to get much from him. Also I think basically the whole game agrees Emp is a likely Scum candidate at this point.
Starts off the day with a sigh, which is a nice touch if he is mafia. I said before, but I'll mention again, I kinda doubt Emp would want to play this game out if he is scum here. It is a super uphill battle for him and one he is clearly not up for.
On December 08 2016 15:02 emperorchampion wrote:
The thing I find odd about Mahr's response is that he doesn't immediately go after HF. In my mind if you're town and make some sort of random thing like that, if someone pushes surely you think the person attacking you is mafia? But maybe I'm not seeing things correctly here.
Also I don't see this as HF's path to victory, since surely it would be to get me lynched then to aim for Onegu / whoever in lylo. This is kinda a throwy move from HF if he's scum, since if Mahr is town then we go after HF next right?
I kinda like this post. I can understand why Emp would expect Gell to react less passively to HF's push at the start of the day.
I think the point about HF is a bit short sighted as HF clearly has no issue coming up with ways to call people scum.
On December 09 2016 05:35 emperorchampion wrote:
darth I think is town, Onegu made my day yesterday so I'm fine with him, so I'll spend some time looking between HF and Mahr.
Kinda odd for Emp to rule out so many people rather than keep his options more open. Not like he gives much reasoning to go on though so I suppose he could always wiggle out of these reads.
On December 09 2016 07:20 emperorchampion wrote:
The interactions between sl and mahr look really good for mahr imo. Reads like town trying to figure out sl, and I think it matches with Mahr's confusion at the time. So MvM here would surprise me.
I will give credit where it is due, Emp did follow up on checking out Gell.
I can still see Emp being scum, but I honestly really question if Emp has it in him to play out this game. I'd still probably recommend him to be the final lynch in my proposed LyLo though.
But yea this far I still think a HF lynch is better as I can totally see him as scum still.
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Lol HF you know if you are Town this is basically an honorary lynch kus you've got such a good rep for being a slippery mafia.
Literally the only reason to flip your shit about me wanting to lynch you is being mafia. I'm sure your ego can take it.
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I'm allowing myself to deconstruct one of these ranting posts.
On December 09 2016 17:48 Holyflare wrote:
And why is it a good point that mahr should call me mafia?
It's natural to expect a town getting called scum slipping over a couple of posts that scum are unlikely to hit post on, to be hesitant to trust his attacker.
All mahr's points are legit.
Yes quite a lot of them are. How quickly you seemed to forget that at the start of day.
I have onegu and emp for easy mislynches,
Yes, you do, and the great thing about easy mid lynches is that they tend to always be easy.
I have cased emp and kniw everyone wants to push him so I go on the guy that posts walls of text instead as mafia?
It's called targets of opportunity and throwing shade.
It's dumb to think I'd get called mafia for that.
Maybe the way you say it, but you often see things in a far far different light then me.
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On December 10 2016 02:30 emperorchampion wrote:
fuck man I dunno haha. still reading darth.
My thoughts at the moment:
- If Onegu is mafia he should be left until next day phase to figure out.
- Based on that poe list is:
HF / DF / Mahr
- Right now my two preferred lynches would be HF / DF, the particular details is what I'm trying to figure out right now
Huh? I thought you were pretty sure Onegu is town, where are you getting him being mafia now?
Also why save him for next phase if you think he might be mafia?
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My whole thing with HF today has been about setting Town on the path to victory. Sure if HF is town I think Emp should be the lynch, but I have real doubts about HF being Town.
I figured that by proposing we lynch HF we could ensure that he would not be able to run away with the game as scum and also get him to put forth his best thoughts if Town.
Now I get a town!HF might be frustrated with me suggesting this route, but this game will still be on a fine place tomorrow if we lynch him today.
Scum!HF does all the things I'm seeing HF do here. Call as many people into question as possible, go off about any little thing, undermine posts that are attempts to analyze people's posts, argue argue argue.
Since I still see a very real threat of a scum!HF I think he is the lynch today.
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Ugh not quoting anymore big posts via my phone.
On December 10 2016 02:46 emperorchampion wrote:
Why would I want to get jk'd? That serves no purpose in my mind since I'm already town, how does that help me solve the game. Also jk'ing TT was a great play because 1) he probably has a better handle of things and 2) because he was tunneling me since day 1. So if I get lynched and flip, if he's town you guys would pretty much auto-lynch him and town loses.
I actually rather like this response as it is pretty similar to how I felt and reacted to Rels wanting to JK me.
The last line about how I would have been lynched if Emp flipped Town also feels fairly towny to me.
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Looking over HF's filter for a few things, in particular though I wanted to look back on SL's fake claim.
Here is HF's reaction: For reference this is pg 10 of HF's filter.
On December 04 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote:
Eithwr way I don't know how it makes me confirmed town since kp is carried I definitely wouldn't carry it. Also the fact that regardless of if SL is jk or not I think that claim makes him town.
"Claim makes him Town regardless of being JK or not" huh.
Right after this HF goes and suggests Rels is mafia, then it's Rels/Me, then he wonders if Gell could be mafia. All of this with zero reasoning btw, literally just spouting out names, and I can't help but notice it is the names of the townier people who have been contributing all game. This is called fear mongering guys.
On December 05 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Rels you know mafia can change their actions in the resultion period right?
Tell me. Are you keeping this cc legitimately or are you going to rescind it? This is a 100% legitimate question because my next move is not a joke.
Noting this post as it is HF's reaction to day starting. his next post is voting for SL.
On December 05 2016 16:43 Holyflare wrote:Yeh, rels isn't jk but I'm still lynching sl 
On December 05 2016 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
None of you realise that:
Rels lied about the resolution period being last second so mafia couldn't do anything.
Didn't insta vote sl during the day.
Said game was easy since sl was confirmed town.
Really weird that HF is both voting SL and questioning Rels' claim. Especially when HF called SL "town, even if not JK" the night before. So suddenly HF is adamant about lynching SL but also doubts Rels? This makes. No sense to me.
On December 05 2016 16:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 08:29 darthfoley wrote:
Well I was like the only person to have any suspicion of LS so I guess in that sense you're killing off one of the hardest people to get mislynched, in a game where there's still a few people who could pretty easily get lynched/mislynched ATM.
We'll have to go back into his filter and see what his reads were LS was not confirmed, did nothing since day 1and isn't a threat at any stage of the game. You should ask yourself, why isn't mahrgell dead? Wall of text, very towny. Why isn't emperor or you dead? Also towny. I want to kill a fake jk because it makes tomorrow's nk game revealing information.
Love how HF questions why towny people are still alive but gets super upset when that question is asked about himself.
On December 05 2016 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
I'm more inclined to kill rels (purely because he didn't instantly rescinded his claim and is still perpetuating it). I had the same idea to fake jk but carrying on is bad.
Also one of emo/df/Margaret is mafia, guaranteed.
Literally one post after HF says to question why "towny Gell, Darth, or Emp have not been killed" he says there is for sure mafia in that group.
On December 05 2016 17:27 Holyflare wrote:
I'm voting tt because he called me not a good player and it'sp out of spite. You're right that I should be voting emperor though. I'll have to re-read stuff to make sure though but I feel like I'm on the right track. The ls kill is just too weird for me.
Had forgotten about this shit. This was HF suddenly thinking Emp and I were a team because Emp didn't vote me D1 near EoD.
This was the entirety of his thought on why I should be the lynch though he goes on to say stuff about Emp.
Once Rels returns and maintains his claim HF goes off about SL/Emp being the team. He also keeps talking about a TT/Emp team as well.
On December 06 2016 01:12 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor is mafia. I'm not backing down on this.
Except for today when he makes some towny post that HF never specifies or quotes, so we never know what can make a HF read flip on it's head so easily.
All this is perfectly in line with a mafia!HF he questions the validity of Rels claim while suggesting SL is still a good vote. He throws a bunch of shade around. Once Rels confirms his claim HF starts calling SL and Emp a team. Bleh there is a bunch of weird shit to cover here. Hell HF even said he thinks SL could even still flip green after a bunch of this shit.
I pulled out stuff that I took note of, I invite everyone to read a few pages of HF's filter starting at page 10 and see if you see the towny HF I'm not seeing.
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If I see bad points I'll call out the bull shit
All I am doing.
I have also said time and again that I am more paranoid about loosing this game to you as scum then Emp as scum.
I want to ensure Town doesn't loose to a scum!HF and have full confidence they will catch a scum!Emp without us.
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Yea, I dunno where the VC's have been today.
Lynch should be in 1.5 Hours.
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On December 10 2016 05:44 mahrgell wrote:
Not enough time to go post by post...
But somehow my brain can't make much sense of what Emp is saying. I simply don't understand it as townish thinking and have no idea how he got there...
At the same time his posts feel "real" from an emotional level...
And still no idea what to make out of Onegu... so if I leave Onegu out, I'm at
Head: Scum-Emp-DF-HF-Town
Heart: Scum-HF-DF-Emp-Town
What is making you doubt Darth in both those lists?
Onegu seems to have been spewed town quite a bit and has voted a ton with mafia which Scum tend not do. I think he's a pretty safe town read.
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GG
Imo Gell gets the win despite conceding.
Prob not playing again for awhile.
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EPT
