[T] Dota 2 Mafia

On October 05 2016 23:33 marvellosity wrote:
Heals come after KP and death?

doesn't that imply protection doesn't work?

On October 21 2016 00:59 sicklucker wrote:


We put all the kp on one person. They redirect all that kp on me. Who cares we now know hes mafia for the rest of the game and can act accordingly. If we kill a town who cares. Its a town who was not cooperative and now we are stronger. That kp would have mostly gone on other towns anyway

On October 21 2016 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm wary of wave too. Soz babes.

On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote:
ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells

1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia
2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town

the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support
dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest
##Vote: WaveofShadow

im kind of curious about ritoky but that might just be off and i could be wrong. just a gut feeling something is wrong with one or two posts he made. one of him or hopeless will prob be maf - i dont think both are maf given their interactions. even i could be wrong ..i dont think i am

On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote:
TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless

that leaves me here
town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi
scum: WoS, hopeless1der

i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions

On October 21 2016 03:11 Holyflare wrote:




I was all ready to say bm kinda looked ok for the first quote after all but then he's making really weird leaps and his thoughts aren't congruent and look like setups for later.

Would probably lynch too.

On October 21 2016 03:15 Skynx wrote:
Give me some players with shit filter and I may read them.

On October 21 2016 03:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Holyflare, you've been in a game scum with Koshi and town with Koshi. Please skim his filter and tell me if you also think he's scum.

On October 21 2016 03:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
apparantly you're not the only one

at this point i'd be happy just finding out what his posts mean

On October 21 2016 03:24 sicklucker wrote:
koshi will never role mafia when im town. so hes clear 100%

On October 21 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:


Well it relates to Lunatic in some way right? Lunatic's filter is very scummy.

Also ritoky is definitely mafia.

On October 21 2016 04:50 Lunaticman wrote:


haha yes you can say it like that if you want but it is more the way it was done. No reasoning just undermining my credibility with no reason and ignoring it as soon as possible, changing the subject from Koshi etc.

On October 21 2016 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Hey HF, is this a scum post?

On October 21 2016 05:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
no but seriously hf why did you decide to let jat smurf on your acc

On October 21 2016 05:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

And yet a call to engage a seemingly disinterested waveofshadow to pay attention to the game?

Fuck your meta right in the ear, good sir, because for now I'm not voting him.

Will you be around later? Like...3h ish? I want to engage with someone fun.

On October 21 2016 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

Aren't you calling him scum based on how different from usual his gifs and tryahrdiness and shit is? Or am I misunderstanding?

Also Kurumi why am I a cow now and not a king?

Can I be the cow king?


Mooooooooooo

On October 21 2016 14:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Btw I've just voted ritiky but it's more of a placeholder than anything else

On October 21 2016 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Also i have the complete opposite reaction to all the posts bm linked to apart from one which i forget

On October 22 2016 03:13 Acrofales wrote:

I disagree. Why do you think TT is scum?

On October 21 2016 12:34 AFK Jungle wrote:
May need replacements for Dota 2 Mafia. We are in day 1 currently and you would replace in at the start of night 1. PM this account if interested.

On October 22 2016 03:37 beentheredonethat wrote:


This still stands by the way. "Vivax is capable as playing as town he isn't we should kill" - this clearly says that Vivax is not who we should kill. 10 minutes before, he said we should kill Vivax.

On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote:


I don't really care if you agree or not he feels really off.

Absolutely all of his reads are arse backwards and opposite opinions to what I see when I look at those posts.

His entrance as I said before was bs and literally a waste of time and tells us how he's going to play the game instead of playing it.

He doesn't form a coherent thought process with his perpetual catching up strategy, he says things that I have pointed, out he starts to agree with me that ritoky is weird (he seems to think my ritoky read was meta even though it's all entirely in game posts aka he isn't reading or giving a shit), he sees that kurumi was hard defending me and he hasn't disliked anything I've said but he's put me in an arbitrary "there's mafia in here" list with both ritoky and kurumi.

He points out stuff that's already been talked about and realises it and says "oh i should catch up before posting" but then repeats the same things people have said all over again.

He found ritoky suspicious for putting himself at the top of a list, ritoky pointed this out and it's actually an excellent point. Nobody gets angry at that wtf.

There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.


He wants to lynch ptmc too and i like that guy and did before it was cool and mod related.

On October 22 2016 03:46 Dandel Ion wrote:

yeah but vivax is a great lynch even if he is town

that he's doing nothing and being scum is just a plus

On October 22 2016 04:13 sicklucker wrote:


i called hf townie...

On October 22 2016 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
This tictock wagon is weak. I dont think he's scum. He also hasn't even voted. If he ninjavotes, I'll be all for lynching tictock but right now it doesnt feel like a good lynch.

On October 22 2016 04:38 Hopeless1der wrote:

you're still top of my list. HF and Lunatic are up there as well.

On October 22 2016 04:42 Hopeless1der wrote:

Tell me more about koshi, HF

On October 22 2016 04:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

It feels as though the entire case hinges on the word "easy". What else did I miss? Imagine "easy" was replaced with "garbage", what's the rest of the case?

On October 22 2016 04:51 Tictock wrote:
Oh and I'm getting lynched, ok.

On October 22 2016 04:54 Hopeless1der wrote:

A large amount of that case boils down to "he thinks differently therefore this guy is scum". I will give you the defending fringe people as scummy in a TMI sort of way but I still don't think he's pushing any agenda. I think you are with the way you're holding Koshi as a target but never pushing him.

Like my last post on pg 63-64 was pretty clear that I didn't want to lynch ptmc anymore.

On October 22 2016 05:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also kill kurumi or wav if i die kk

On October 21 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote:


Holy shit, I'm not sure how I forgot you were in that game. Guess it's just been awhile.

Humm, you were a pretty easy townread in that game but not really here. Still I guess the stuff that bugged me early on makes a bit more sense now.

I'll look at your list post again later in some detail, but def don't want to lynch you anymore.

I think that list post shows you are making some decent effort and I recall you doing something like it in the last game too. Even without that I'm pretty confident you'll be really easy to read given a bit more time.

Still I guess the stuff that bugged me early on makes a bit more sense now.

On October 22 2016 05:38 Dandel Ion wrote:

lol


hmmmm
i couuuuuld


tbh im really tempted to lynch a full lurker (rels, or eversince or w/e it is if we're hardcore af)
PUNISH THE HERETICS
its their fault nothing is happening anyway
we can be the policy the masses have been crying for

but first i need to figure out if i even want to unvote last minute.... again....

On October 22 2016 05:45 beentheredonethat wrote:
While we're at it, what do you guys think about the points I posted about harakiri?

On October 22 2016 05:57 beentheredonethat wrote:
KILLKOSHI

On October 22 2016 07:11 Holyflare wrote:
I hate having to wait an hour wtf.

On October 20 2016 10:15 iamperfection wrote:
before shit starts moving around

Players:
1 Tictock
2 Rels
3 Vivax
4 Holyflare
5 Skynx
6 iamperfection
7 sicklucker
8 beentheredonethat
9 ExO_
10 Lunaticman
11 HamazuraXTakitsubo
12 Tubesock
13 Bill Murray
14 Acrofales
15 Koshi
16 Eversince
17 ptmc
18 Kurumi
19 ritoky
20 Hopeless1der
21 Dandel Ion
22 WaveofShadow
23 GlowingBear
24 Lord Tolkien

i dont think anything has moved yet

On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:


I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.

On October 22 2016 17:21 Holyflare wrote:


So if I have a choice between a town koshi or a town ticktock I go after the scrub one??? I could have easily lynched koshi but I'm waiting to see if he does something, anything in fact while i had an actual case on TT. He also claimed a town ability too. Koshi regularly gets nk on night 1 and 2 as town because he's a big threat and plays well but for some reason I'd just let him stay alive?

Wave is definitely mafia btw.

I lost 0 hp.

On October 22 2016 17:42 Acrofales wrote:

Why? Isn't he just tracking claims?

On October 22 2016 16:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Hi!
Catching up from N1. Probably too lazy to read all of D1. I did check a couple'a filters though. Having Dandel and Hopeless as top town reads feels very odd but I'm rolling with it.

Koshi having 4 pages of filter despite being a wagon heavily points to him being mafia. Prob would lynch. Reading more.

On October 22 2016 17:57 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to call btdt mafia just for the wtf stance at deadline.

Calls my case good but summarises it wrong, has called koshi mafia ALLLLLLL game and koshi is alternative wagon, joins tt wagon but then makes a case on a guy that isn't particularly scummy and didn't want to kill koshi.

I'm very surprised infact hopeless is calling me out but not btdt for this.

On October 22 2016 18:31 Lunaticman wrote:


In my experience only mafia wants to modkill townies.

Just saying.

On October 22 2016 18:35 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm a bit confused on how the miss lynch started. Can someone summarize how we got TickTock instead of Koshi? Who was pushing him the most etc?

On October 22 2016 18:39 Lunaticman wrote:



HF this entire post is just undermining town authority, not one real target just suspicion on an endless merry go around. Your playing exactly like Koshi.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

For example why are there no townies on your list? That is more important than 6 different scum reads that amount to nothing.

A more productive move would be to try to analyze how the wagon formed and why. That way we could probably see if Koshi was indeed saved by a scum mate or not.

You also spend to much time mining credibility from other players making sure to get on their good side and playing on your reputation.

On October 22 2016 19:07 Lunaticman wrote:


Chill, maybe I was a bit vague.

I wanted you to elaborate a bit more on the "case" from your perspective and why the miss lynch was so successful. So I can analyze if you are indeed town or not.

For example you look extremely scummy for saving Koshi and miss lynching. I also find it disturbing that even though you haven't contributed with anything productive for the town expect a miss lynch you still seem to want to be the town leader.

Everything I have seen from you points to you being mafia, especially from a meta perspective.

The only thing I find a bit lenient is that town tends to make more mistakes than mafia so that's nice I suppose.

On October 22 2016 20:18 HamazuraXTakitsubo wrote:

Can you elaborate on your reads? Also what makes you think that the rest are town?

On October 22 2016 19:31 beentheredonethat wrote:
My deadline behaviour results out of the feeling that koshi wasnt going to happen hf. Didnt feel confortable on tictock (apparebtly i even misunderstood your case?) And i felt like shennannies on japanese name guy were good. His filter is really scummy. How do you townread him?

On October 22 2016 21:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Tbh everytime HF tries to buddy up with me he turns out scum, but i dont put faith in those coincidences

On October 22 2016 22:12 Lord Tolkien wrote:
You were either roleblocked or lying then. I did 10 dmg to him.

On October 22 2016 23:06 WaveofShadow wrote:

Why did you take so long to claim this shit?

On October 22 2016 23:08 iamperfection wrote:

because i had to

On October 23 2016 00:06 Tubesock wrote:
I don't buy the LT and SL are town because of targeting WoS one bit.

On October 22 2016 22:53 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh actually this is a good point.
Ugh.
Stop making good points.

On October 23 2016 00:24 Tubesock wrote:


I don't totally agree with that. I think that it really depends on if WoS thinks he's a town leader and that there are better targets that mafia would go after and "order" LT or SL or you to hit.

I wouldn't necessarily think that anyone attacking me would be mafia and I know I'm town.

On October 23 2016 00:33 Koshi wrote:
Skynx also went for my head last time Inwas town the entire game. But it wasnt with cases and not so absolute. Dnu. Hiw he switched from Koshi might be town to Koshi is lock mafia after I voted luna feels mafia.

On October 23 2016 00:35 Holyflare wrote:


He did that?

On October 23 2016 02:58 iamperfection wrote:

without a doubt?

On October 23 2016 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
By the way, so far, was there anyone defending Koshi? Like, at all?

On October 23 2016 04:31 Lunaticman wrote:


I think it might actually help you HF if you answer and are town. If you don't answer your basically saying your mafia. Although the same could be said about Koshi.

It's basically down to who ever out of you two that answers first.

On October 23 2016 04:37 Lunaticman wrote:


See this is such anti town behavior, why not?

On October 23 2016 04:44 Lunaticman wrote:


So pretty please with sugar on top, can you please tell me?

Honestly I don't think it's that much to ask for.

On October 23 2016 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
alight wont be here until after deadline
if youre confused or undecided just keep in mind that punching koshi or artanis is the best decision
punching vivax is a waste of time hes the lynch


no read lists or anything, not even worried about dying tonight
figure that 'wifom' out scum

On October 23 2016 04:54 beentheredonethat wrote:

Like Tictock was mafia? Spitting out names is not exactly great. Starting to dislike HF here.

On October 23 2016 03:02 Holyflare wrote:


Without a single doubt.

Lack of filter, bad reads, no catch up, not interested in playing, not happy.

And rels has been around all weekend playing games PPP but mainly the above

On October 23 2016 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote:

I'm fine with not town-reading ritoky, he isn't town-read by me, too. I'm not fine with "your read progression looks fake" as I haven't townread you at any point, nor have I scumread you before. We're in a discussion just now, and based on this discussion, I start to scumlean you. Where is that fake?

(also, no, I don't want to be drawn into that argument. I think the other players should judge on their own if my read progression looks fake or not. I don't want to lose track because of that)

On October 22 2016 03:03 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yeah that's true

I feel like Lunatic should flip as HF hard read him as scum and it's a good thing to start. I like HFs filter so far, feels townie

On October 23 2016 05:40 beentheredonethat wrote:

So you imply that you townread me.
Say you don't townread me.
Say that it's easy for mafia to give out townreads (while you do the opposite thing)

That's a scumslip

On October 23 2016 05:42 NocturneMage wrote:


actually I disagree. I haven't looked hard at artanis yet myself, but I'm running on the assumption there are five, maybe six mafia players. there's no reason why people shouldn't try getting reactions and alignment reads or scumreads on people other than koshi and vivax.

also caught up isolating filters. ignoring artanis who replaced in, somewhere in the pool of exo, bm, lord tolkien, kurumi and glowingbear, I'm willing to bet there's one mafia in there. they are all laying pretty damned low.



though gb admits he's not really reading and I can see gb pulling as town not playing like he didn't in the onegu game I observed, but that doesn't really make him town, just not out of his range.

On October 23 2016 05:44 beentheredonethat wrote:

full circle, tictoc.

On the other hand, you said "it's a gold mine" about your own town filter back in Cruise mafia, in obs QT though. Exactly the same thing. Coincidence?

On October 23 2016 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:
also add hamazura to the pile of forgettables

exo
bm (???)
tolkien
hamazura
kurumi
glowingbear

one mafia in there. can't put my finger on it atm. saving for later I think...

On October 23 2016 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
kill artanis lynch vivax and force koshi to use his ability so we can lynch koshi and vivax

if there's anything other than a double lynch tomorrow then koshi is definitely mafia unless he was rbd but then i'd know by my dmg taken too

On October 28 2016 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'll read the tilt in obs QT after lol

On October 28 2016 03:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
not like there's gonna be anything else in there, after a week of basically only lynching vivax i'd be surprised if anybody still read this game lel

On November 06 2016 06:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm gonna need an official ruling from the hosts on if I won for my profile stats though!

I'm going to lawyer you.

You include in his win conditions that if he is successful he is removed from the game. Two other people in this game had a similar win condition and upon completion were flipped and left in the dead player list having completed their objective.

Therefore being removed from the game = being flipped and added to the dead player list.

Artanis has been flipped and added to the player list and has therefore been removed from the game. He cannot complete his objectives because he CANNOT be removed from the game to fulfill his win condition because he has already been removed.

Therefore, in my submission, Artanis cannot win.

On November 06 2016 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
I actually liked this game but I don't see why mafia had 2 mids and 1 support

On November 06 2016 10:18 ExO_ wrote:


Game looks super different though if I don't take all that damage from iamp though