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On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right? Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case. Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch? can everyone please reread this post. Show nested quote +Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.
And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said.
I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia.
And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid.
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On October 09 2016 22:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:35 Calix wrote:
Yes, doing shit is generally a good thing.
'arbitrarily better' ???
I thought Palmar's responses were okay until Koshi pointed out the flaws in them. You also agreed with this assessment. I agreed with koshi's points on Palmar just like I agreed with jat's points on Super. Despite agreeing with them, I did not scum-read either. I pretty much voted Superbia because I agreed with jat's case even though I did not scum-read Super. I regret that. Arbitrarily better because jat's got no town tone and never proposed that his lynch was a ML nor that he was town.
I am pretty sure that I did both of that in this game already.
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On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right? Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case. Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch? can everyone please reread this post. Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.
And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said. I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia. And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid. Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand.
Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers?
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On October 09 2016 22:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:47 Calix wrote:
So...he didn't claim he was town, doesn't have 'town tone' and made a random comment about the active players.
Good stuff for sure. Defense purely based on self-meta with nothing game-related. Anti-town behavior. Is Titus' smurf.
Once anyone brings up a game related reason for me to be mafia I will gladly defend myself against that.
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On October 09 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right? Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case. Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch? can everyone please reread this post. Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.
And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said. I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia. And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid. Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand. Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers? I dont know if you realised, but you were very close to being lynched yesterday. I think damdred is mafia. Dunno what your last quiestion is.
I really wasn't close to being lynched at all. And I just assumed that you do not scumread damdred since in the post before that you declared the mafia team to be me, palmar and scott.
My last question is very simple. Why would I only push out side of damdred and scott as mafia? Why would I not do that as town?
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On October 09 2016 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right? Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case. Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch? can everyone please reread this post. Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.
And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said. I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia. And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid. Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand. Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers? I dont know if you realised, but you were very close to being lynched yesterday. I think damdred is mafia. Dunno what your last quiestion is. I really wasn't close to being lynched at all. And I just assumed that you do not scumread damdred since in the post before that you declared the mafia team to be me, palmar and scott. My last question is very simple. Why would I only push out side of damdred and scott as mafia? Why would I not do that as town? Because they are mafia and you dont want to push them if they arent getting any pressure? You wont lynch them as town because you dont think they are scum? I mean, its really fucking obvious isnt it.
No, it really isn't obvious at all. There is no reason for me to only lynch between those 2 as town.
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On October 09 2016 23:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right? Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case. Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch? can everyone please reread this post. Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.
And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said. I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia. And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid. Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand. Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers? I dont know if you realised, but you were very close to being lynched yesterday. I think damdred is mafia. Dunno what your last quiestion is. I really wasn't close to being lynched at all. And I just assumed that you do not scumread damdred since in the post before that you declared the mafia team to be me, palmar and scott. My last question is very simple. Why would I only push out side of damdred and scott as mafia? Why would I not do that as town? Look, Calix. His questions are ones that need to be answered with "WIFOM". He has no will to defend himself out of WIFOM, because WIFOM and only WIFOM make his play make sense as town.
This is less about me defending myself and more about oats being mafia for just making shit up on the fly.
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On October 09 2016 23:15 Calix wrote:
This has got to be one of the most unproductive games I've been in.
We've bickered for pages in a giant circle-jerk but not much has actually changed and we're not getting closer to clarifying matters.
I call it the neverunlucky effect.
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Also we clarified that oats is probably mafia.
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On October 09 2016 23:31 Calix wrote:Actually, I have a legit reason to suspect Scott. Observe his initial reads list where he claims he wants Palmar/ JAT lynched. That's all fine and dandy. + Show Spoiler [JAT (lean scum) + Damdred (null-town)] +On October 07 2016 12:23 scott31337 wrote:
justanothertownie - leaning scum, he's doing the not getting info/shitposting JAT - which is a mafia trait for him.
Damdred-slight townlean/almost null - very little to go on.
That's where I'm at now - Lynch Palmar/JAT preferred, Poke Super and Grack some more. Observe him justifying Damdred's MIA status as NAI for him and assuming that he is telling the truth. Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:44 scott31337 wrote:On October 07 2016 06:16 Damdred wrote:
Sorry really sick just got out of bed.
Should be able to pick back up tomorrow or when the room stops spinning, I'll start catching up. This was his sick reason 23 hours ago and his last post. :/ He's not one to make up sick excuses etc Observe him make points about why JAT is scummy and talk to JAT in a negative manner. Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:55 scott31337 wrote:Well that sounds legit  I have been scum reading you two, and you are both voting for each other. A sick double bus would be extremely bad at this point in nature - so it makes more sense that one, or both of you are town. You just remind me of the "don't give out any info" JAT instead of the inquisitiveness/solving the game/pushing further JAT like in that game I was the two shot tracker. Palmar is sounding slightly better with his recent posts. Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 16:00 scott31337 wrote:JAT - You wonder why? On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:
So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:
Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.
Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.
nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.
These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):
Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.
Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.
Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.
Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.
I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):
Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.
Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.
batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...
Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.
Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.
Two of these people you tell the most of are dead, and the other I've replaced. This is one situation I'm speaking of. Observe him promptly forget all of that in favour of this AWFUL vote on Damdred over Palmar or JAT even though both of them were wagons at the time of his vote. Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 16:09 scott31337 wrote:
Sorry Damdred, I've had car accidents happen and still was able to at least voice my opinion. My vote is for you.
Good post. That's really bizarre.
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On October 09 2016 23:37 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her. Clearly Indeed. You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here: On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.
I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip. Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum? If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself) If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town. I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt. huh I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all. This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him. Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does. And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads. You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it. This seems to sum up the gist of what JAT is arguing. He's welcome to chip in, of course, but I take it that you two are accusing Grack of white-knighting me?
Sort of. My accusation was that he was going to defend you no matter what I say.
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On October 09 2016 23:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Add to that the fact that Grack did not make a case on HF this game and the fact that he semi-buddied marv, we have a pretty good mafia contender in Grack.
He was always willing to lynch Palmar though. I don't think Palmar/Grack is a thing with their interactions.
Grack/Oats makes sense because they have been distantly town-reading each other.
He was willing to lynch Palmar on day1. Then after the lynch he made a 180 for whatever reason.
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On October 09 2016 23:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:On October 06 2016 21:20 Superbia wrote:Stutters is a pretty shit shot. If you want to policy shoot, shoot Palmar (for info). If you want to hit mafia probably shoot Damdred. + Show Spoiler +Like there even is a vigi Palmar is a pretty shit shot. You always lynch palmar and similar people who are good at defending themselves as town. Stutters is by far the best shot because he will never be readable and the day we finally get rid of him will be a complete waste with 0 information gained. What did you think of Palmar's defense?
If you are asking why I am suggesting to not shoot him there - Palmar is really really good at defending himself against being mislynched. So unless I am 100 % sure that he is mafia it is always better to try and lynch him because if he is actually defending himself you should be able to see his alignment. He will not go down like superbia a scrub as town. While trying to lynch stutters would have lead to no information obtained ever regardless of his alignment.
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On October 09 2016 23:45 Calix wrote:
Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches?
Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack.
I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did.
We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol.
Well, I can tell you right now that they all had their votes on me day2 without ever explaining why and the only one who changed was grack who pointlessly switched to damdred when it was really to late already.
Would have to reread the day1 lynch.
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On October 10 2016 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I pretty much have to conclude that JAT is mafia at this point.
Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"?
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On October 10 2016 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2016 23:45 Calix wrote:
Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches?
Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack.
I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did.
We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol. This is incredibly rich. You have hard pushed all 3 flipped town so far. Mafia don't even need to be involved in anything because you are doing everything for them. At least 2 are mafia from the Marv/JAT/Koshi group because they are reading the game incredibly wrong. One of them is being clueless. The other mafia is between Damdred/Scott.
Where am I reading the game incredibly wrong?
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On October 10 2016 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I pretty much have to conclude that JAT is mafia at this point. Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"? Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town.
Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else.
Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious,
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On October 10 2016 02:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 02:09 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:On October 09 2016 23:45 Calix wrote:
Question. How involved have Palmar/ Grack/ Oats been in the mislynches?
Stutters/ Scott has either been AFK or jumped on the bandwagon and the only person even remotely involved in the Superbia mislynch was Grack.
I think it'll be useful to note down what each of them did.
We could even divvy it up between us or some shit, lol. This is incredibly rich. You have hard pushed all 3 flipped town so far. Mafia don't even need to be involved in anything because you are doing everything for them. At least 2 are mafia from the Marv/JAT/Koshi group because they are reading the game incredibly wrong. One of them is being clueless. The other mafia is between Damdred/Scott. Where am I reading the game incredibly wrong? How can you possibly be town reading Marv? Where even is Marv? He didn't show up for the last lynch. I don't think he cares about the game, and he's been known for giving up as mafia nowadays.
I will give you that his continued absence is starting to worry me. But his tone was 100 % alright and he looked far better in the spat he had with palmar.
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On October 10 2016 02:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2016 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 02:09 Grackaroni wrote:On October 10 2016 02:07 justanothertownie wrote:On October 10 2016 02:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I pretty much have to conclude that JAT is mafia at this point. Why? Why do you "have to conclude that"? Because now you're pushing Oatsmaster as well as Palmar and I'm pretty sure they are both town. Did you read the bullshit oats posted today? Palmar is doing exactly what koshi said - staying above being lynched and not doing anything else. Why do you think they are town? If I am mafia for supposedly misreading them you can surely explain to us lowely people why this should be so obvious, A lot of people are doing that. Scott is doing that. Marv is doing that. Fucking Koshi is doing that, right now. Palmar looks a lot better than all of them from some of the things he has said.
But unlike palmar those people weren't the counterwagon to 2 (!) fucking mislynches.
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And I can lynch scott easily for what calix brought up earlier combined with his extremely shallow reads.
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