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On October 08 2016 02:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Ok, I follow you.
Let's say you weren't committed to voting Marv/Palmar depending on their interactions (Which may never evolve given Plam's recent apathy), who would you be voting?
Superbia and damdred come to mind. I already mentioned my reasons for superbia several times and like I said I will probably elaborate in a more concise fashion at some point. Damdred just is a total nonentity right now and we shouldn't allow that.
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On the other hand I did not have that much of a problem with his content and he said he was sick. Maybe he will get replaced.
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Last post was about damdred still.
On October 08 2016 02:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Perhaps you would like to elaborate in a more concise fashion now?
If not, what is your opinion on Scott/Stutts? What is your opinion on my simili-filter-dive of that slot?
Also, I've seen you say that you "null-scum" read Calix. Care to go more in detail?
If there is any other subject of discussion you can come up with, I am all ears.
I will get to the effort-intensive part of this (superbia/calix) later at some point. I have some stuff to do soon. Like I said I will have more time tomorrow.
To the stutters slot:
I already said something about the early stutters part. I think those questions are all pretty pointless and considering how hours or more passed between them one would expect him to do something with it. Now that we know that he apparently had no time to play this game (which means something considering that he is a serial lurker) because he got replaced I don't know if you can put any weight in this though.
His part is therefore entirely null.
The only possibly interesting post scott made was the list and considering the fact that it is basically everything he had to say about the whole game so far it isn't very impressive. The reads are really only surface level or completely nonexistant like the calix one and the supposed reasoning reads more like a summary of what people did instead of a conclusion about it. Like you already mentioned they are also pretty much a summary of the thread sentiment.
This post alone is really not enough information to properly evaluate his alignment. Let's give him a day to settle in.
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On October 08 2016 02:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 02:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On the other hand I did not have that much of a problem with his content and he said he was sick. Maybe he will get replaced. Similarly, you said that Stutters would get modkilled if he was town (Or I think that was you...). Does him not being MKed but instead replaced make you feel he is town/scum or do you think that your previous argument was just bad?
Wasn't me. I was the one who said we should never bank on a modkill to get rid of a lurker but I never said him being modkilled or replaced had anything to do with his alignment. That is stupid.
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On October 08 2016 03:26 NeverUnlucky wrote:I am really ambivalent on Jat at the moment. I am neither convinced he is town nor convinced he is scum. Pros: + Show Spoiler [Pre-flip associations are bad bad bad…] +I cannot think of a scumteam that makes sense for him with bats and HF dead. Did not like Calix's 'case' on him (Maybe it's my distrust of her, idk) Don't remember Plam nor Oats stating why they were voting for him ie indication of a bad train. He is pugnacious. Cons: Seemed defensive No town tone (To me that's a big one)
I can tell you right now that being defensive is not scum indicative for me and if you insist I can also prove this by showing you examples. There should be plenty of people who can confirm this too. Like marv/palmar for example.
Can't do anything about you disliking my tone.
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On October 08 2016 04:49 Calix wrote:
This is kind of why I don't think Palmar is scum either. Both of them are harping on about their ~speshul connection~ and how well they know each other, etc etc, so what I'm wondering is why either of them would (as scum) keep drawing attention to this while they are pushing each other.
It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch!
You are overestimating the influence the mafia player has in this situation. If he denies the connection he will just get lynched.
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On October 08 2016 04:11 marvellosity wrote:
koshi doesn't even have to be town either tbh. didn't like the fact that he didn't understand i was making a joke when i commented on his palmar vote at the beginning of the day
Why? (I know you kind of backtracked very soon)
This overall seems like standard Koshi play, no? I would expect a little more activity usually but he said stuff about RL screwing him.
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On October 08 2016 04:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 04:56 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2016 04:11 marvellosity wrote:
koshi doesn't even have to be town either tbh. didn't like the fact that he didn't understand i was making a joke when i commented on his palmar vote at the beginning of the day Why? (I know you kind of backtracked very soon) This overall seems like standard Koshi play, no? I would expect a little more activity usually but he said stuff about RL screwing him. yeah i was mostly just being impetuous. just i think his mafiaplay has improved and i don't think this game is outside that range.
Has to be a major improvement then.
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On October 08 2016 05:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 04:49 Calix wrote:
This is kind of why I don't think Palmar is scum either. Both of them are harping on about their ~speshul connection~ and how well they know each other, etc etc, so what I'm wondering is why either of them would (as scum) keep drawing attention to this while they are pushing each other.
It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch!
You'll notice this is a similar - if not identical - argument to what was being used with me at the start of the game when I was attacking NU. That's because it's a similar situation. In AI 2, Banana and Firebringer did a similar thing D1. They made a 1v1 and said that only one of them was going to be lynched that day and drew a lot of attention to themselves by doing so. Both were scum (Executioner vs. Godfather). I did a similar thing as Serial Killer in 3FaS with Unknown. Like I get that it's hard to conceive that scum would draw attention to themselves from a logical standpoint, but such situations have happened in the past. I won't push this any further as we're going in the wifom grounds. Also, I get the feeling that Palmar is not pushing Marv. His argument is basically that we should lynch marv when plamar flips. That's not really a push. More "fearmongering" as Koshi would say. I think I actually find marv more town than Plam in that 1v1.
Yes, I agree.
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On October 08 2016 05:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:03 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2016 05:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 08 2016 04:49 Calix wrote:
This is kind of why I don't think Palmar is scum either. Both of them are harping on about their ~speshul connection~ and how well they know each other, etc etc, so what I'm wondering is why either of them would (as scum) keep drawing attention to this while they are pushing each other.
It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch!
You'll notice this is a similar - if not identical - argument to what was being used with me at the start of the game when I was attacking NU. That's because it's a similar situation. In AI 2, Banana and Firebringer did a similar thing D1. They made a 1v1 and said that only one of them was going to be lynched that day and drew a lot of attention to themselves by doing so. Both were scum (Executioner vs. Godfather). I did a similar thing as Serial Killer in 3FaS with Unknown. Like I get that it's hard to conceive that scum would draw attention to themselves from a logical standpoint, but such situations have happened in the past. I won't push this any further as we're going in the wifom grounds. Also, I get the feeling that Palmar is not pushing Marv. His argument is basically that we should lynch marv when plamar flips. That's not really a push. More "fearmongering" as Koshi would say. I think I actually find marv more town than Plam in that 1v1. Yes, I agree. that's because you suffer from bads.
So, bads = town = why are you voting me again?!
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On October 08 2016 05:16 Palmar wrote:
And yes, JAT's insistence on "solving" me vs marv is completely retarded. Let us figure it out, there's no need to rush it. We've pulled games from the jaws of defeat before (Sex game for example) just through being tuned in.
Don't see why that would make it retarded to solve this considering his vote is on you.
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In that case I suggest you have a look at superbia.
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On October 08 2016 05:41 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:11 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 2: Vote Count #2 - Palmar (3) - marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie,
Calix, Superbia
- Damdred (0) -
NeverUnlucky, Grackaroni
- justanothertownie (4) - Calix, Palmar, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
- marvellosity (1) - Superbia,
NeverUnlucky
Not voting (3) - Damdred, scott31337, NeverUnlucky Currently, justanothertownie is set to be lynched in ( Saturday, Oct 08 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember, voting is mandatory.The voting thread is located here.Please report any errors in the vote count via PM to the hosts. So Jat is on Palmar and Palmar is on JAT but Palmar says marv mafia with no case. Somethings not right with my reads then.
Not sure I follow. My vote is there mainly because I am too lazy to change it right now.
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On October 08 2016 05:55 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:14 Calix wrote:On October 08 2016 05:06 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 08 2016 05:04 Calix wrote:
I am of the opinion that the majority of the scum are among the less influential low-posters with one active person who is steering the thread in a direction that they want, so the lurkers are my default scum team for pretty much everyone, lol.
I'll look at JAT, one moment. So 2 of Scott/DDD/Superbia/Koshi (Is he considered a lurkerrr?)/Plamar are scum iyo? I don't think Koshi is mafia. But the others, yes. I think Scott should be pressured sometime soon. From what I've seen of his play, he is not much of a talker so I imagine it's difficult to distinguish between his town/ scum play. Hell, I was scum in a game where he was town and even I was struggling to see town motivation in his posts  I shouldn't play after a 12 pack either - I made that database post and I regretted that - you should've push on it more  I made a drunk post in one game before and always kept haunting me and got lynched two days later. Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2016 05:41 scott31337 wrote:On October 08 2016 05:11 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 2: Vote Count #2 - Palmar (3) - marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie,
Calix, Superbia
- Damdred (0) -
NeverUnlucky, Grackaroni
- justanothertownie (4) - Calix, Palmar, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
- marvellosity (1) - Superbia,
NeverUnlucky
Not voting (3) - Damdred, scott31337, NeverUnlucky Currently, justanothertownie is set to be lynched in ( Saturday, Oct 08 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember, voting is mandatory.The voting thread is located here.Please report any errors in the vote count via PM to the hosts. So Jat is on Palmar and Palmar is on JAT but Palmar says marv mafia with no case. Somethings not right with my reads then. Not sure I follow. My vote is there mainly because I am too lazy to change it right now. Well that sounds legit I have been scum reading you two, and you are both voting for each other. A sick double bus would be extremely bad at this point in nature - so it makes more sense that one, or both of you are town. You just remind me of the "don't give out any info" JAT instead of the inquisitiveness/solving the game/pushing further JAT like in that game I was the two shot tracker.Palmar is sounding slightly better with his recent posts.
I asked you this before: Please explain what that is supposed to mean. I have no idea what "don't give out any info JAT" is. Not giving out info has never been an important principle of my scumplay. Show me exactly what makes you think this.
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On October 08 2016 16:00 scott31337 wrote:JAT - You wonder why? Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 02:35 justanothertownie wrote:
So, those are the people I would not be willing to lynch today as of now:
Koshi: There is no point in wasting my time on him. When he comes back he is either normal town Koshi or you lynch him. Pretty straight forward.
Marv: Not 100 % town but he has done enough typical stuff that I won't even entertain lynching him.
nu: Not gonna lie - his play since the very active start has been less than subpar. But he has that gamey shit going for him which almost always comes from town.
These I wouldn't lynch without a good case (which has to come between now and like 30 minutes later because I will be gone):
Palmar: If you want to lynch him you need to get the wagon going way earlier. You can never know his alignment before he is forced to actually play the damn game. He is really underwhelming though and his aimless rambling earlier did not feel very palmarlike.
Holyflare: Always hard to tell with him and like I said his push on me was really opportunistic and bad. Shitflingy if you want. But I think a mafia HF wouldn't have stopped going after me this easily once he had already started to. Felt like he actively avoided an unnecessary shitfight which I do not think scum HF would do. If he suddenly turns against me again when I am gone he is probably mafia.
Damdred: His presence is severely lacking and batsnacks is right when he says that there was very little damdy questioning going on. But I really liked his perspective on the game when he arrived. It mirrored my own quite well.
Oats: Made an easy thowaway scumread against me and then didn't care about me at all anymore (I might be biased but that seems quite disinterested to me). Some really bad logic that I pointed out but I guess thats par for the course for him. Really really forgettable though.
I could lynch (roughly in order from worst to best lynch):
Stutters: If this was an open setup with a vig I would be against lynching him but we don't know that. Maybe it still would be optimal to wait for a night and see if he gets shot by a vigilante before getting rid of him by a lynch but if you for some reason need to shennany onto someone eod he is a good target.
Calix: At first I was really sold by the fearless and aggressive way she plays but I have to remember that she is only new to this site and apparently a decent scumplayer. If you have that in mind then there are several problems with her play. Starting from the way she treated nu in the beginning despite him apparently being the easiest read in the world up to the total brainfart she made when asked about her grack read.
batsnacks: This is not the batsnacks I know. I don't know if it is mafia batsnacks but he is very different. Incomprehensible defense of Superbia because "being afraid makes no sense as mafia". But he has really been digging himself a hole all game if he is mafia. Besides the superbia read there is also his accusation against me (mafia for encouraging anti-town behaviour) which is so poor and weak that it is almost comical. Why does mafia batsnacks try to attack me like that? It is so pointless. Really horrible politician posts though...
Superbia: Refuses to play the game. Agressive/hostile tone fit his scummeta perfectly. Nowhere to be seen all day today.
Grackaroni:
Made a case against me immediately when 1-2 people suddenly started suspecting me when I was gone yesterday. A really lazy and factual problematic case as I have explained lately. He also just harddefended Calix without even knowing what the problem was with her posting. Otherwise he is just existing in this game without doing much.
Two of these people you tell the most of are dead, and the other I've replaced. This is one situation I'm speaking of.
So, you say that I do not give out information and to prove that you quote the most extensive read list that was made in the whole game up until that point. Seems legit.
Can you explain how I should have known that the 2 dead people would be the first to die this early even if I was mafia? Or why I would do that as mafia in the first place?
Not to mention the irony of calling me mafia for this when you came into the game at a later point with much more information and still gave way less reasoning on any of your reads.
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On October 08 2016 16:05 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2016 05:55 scott31337 wrote:On October 08 2016 05:14 Calix wrote:On October 08 2016 05:06 NeverUnlucky wrote:On October 08 2016 05:04 Calix wrote:
I am of the opinion that the majority of the scum are among the less influential low-posters with one active person who is steering the thread in a direction that they want, so the lurkers are my default scum team for pretty much everyone, lol.
I'll look at JAT, one moment. So 2 of Scott/DDD/Superbia/Koshi (Is he considered a lurkerrr?)/Plamar are scum iyo? I don't think Koshi is mafia. But the others, yes. I think Scott should be pressured sometime soon. From what I've seen of his play, he is not much of a talker so I imagine it's difficult to distinguish between his town/ scum play. Hell, I was scum in a game where he was town and even I was struggling to see town motivation in his posts I shouldn't play after a 12 pack either - I made that database post and I regretted that - you should've push on it more I made a drunk post in one game before and always kept haunting me and got lynched two days later. On October 08 2016 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2016 05:41 scott31337 wrote:On October 08 2016 05:11 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 2: Vote Count #2 - Palmar (3) - marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie,
Calix, Superbia
- Damdred (0) -
NeverUnlucky, Grackaroni
- justanothertownie (4) - Calix, Palmar, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
- marvellosity (1) - Superbia,
NeverUnlucky
Not voting (3) - Damdred, scott31337, NeverUnlucky Currently, justanothertownie is set to be lynched in ( Saturday, Oct 08 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Remember, voting is mandatory.The voting thread is located here.Please report any errors in the vote count via PM to the hosts. So Jat is on Palmar and Palmar is on JAT but Palmar says marv mafia with no case. Somethings not right with my reads then. Not sure I follow. My vote is there mainly because I am too lazy to change it right now. Well that sounds legit I have been scum reading you two, and you are both voting for each other. A sick double bus would be extremely bad at this point in nature - so it makes more sense that one, or both of you are town. You just remind me of the "don't give out any info" JAT instead of the inquisitiveness/solving the game/pushing further JAT like in that game I was the two shot tracker.Palmar is sounding slightly better with his recent posts. I asked you this before: Please explain what that is supposed to mean. I have no idea what "don't give out any info JAT" is. Not giving out info has never been an important principle of my scumplay. Show me exactly what makes you think this. You gave me some shit about not changing your vote - so do you want to lynch instead?
On October 08 2016 05:40 justanothertownie wrote:
In that case I suggest you have a look at superbia.
This post is literally on the same page.
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On October 08 2016 18:01 Calix wrote:
Okay so JAT's filter (at least the first six pages of it) isn't as terrible as I thought it was going to be, but it's still not amazing. What do you think of him, Marv?
I'm really skeptical over that awful Scott vote. I cannot see how anyone has that thought naturally.
It probably shouldn't surprise me that you attacked me all this time without ever reading my filter. Seriously.
On October 08 2016 18:17 Calix wrote:
And JAT actually has some decent posts on Page 8.
The main thing bugging me still are those posts where he downplays town-reads and we've already argued over that. (see Page 10 of his filter) I still cannot think of why town would do that -_- Although he doesn't do it as often as I thought he did so...
zzz, I hate getting cold feet.
I don't understand what is not to understand honestly.
Suppose the following situation. You are town. You see someone who might be town aswell give a bad reason to townread a 3rd person who you are not townreading. Guy #2 seems to completely rely on this reason.
Do you not mention that you hink the reason is bad? I do that. Every single time.
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On October 08 2016 06:54 Calix wrote:
kk jAT I just have one question and I don't want some ultra-detailed response, just curious. Like how would you sum up what you've done this game and how do you think you've helped the town?
I suck at looking for town motives so let's just ask you.
And I don't want "lol playing like my usual town self" as a response, fuck that. I want evidence from this game. I can't relate to that meta shit and can't get it so why would I sheep it? lol
My priorities in a town game besides lynching mafia are the following:
1. Don't get mislynched/establish innocence.
2. Push the game in a good direction. This means don't allow people to not explain their shit, ideally have 2 wagons day1. Stuff like that.
What I did this game has been strongly influenced by the fact that I was not around eod1. I tried my best to give town my stance on everyone in the game and to put my vote on someone who is scummy and also a viable wagon before I left. I did not need to do that at all.
Then marv and Palmar started scumreading each other. Historically if this keeps being the case one of them has to be mafia. So solving this had absolute priority and that's why I pushed this on day2 so far. My next tasks will be to not let you guys mislynch me and making a case for the guy who I think is the best lynch.
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On October 08 2016 21:30 Calix wrote:
Okay but I've yet to see anything from you about how I'm scummy. You are pretty much the only person thinking this at this stage.
Did you see my question about town motivation? I might have been slightly intoxicated when I wrote it but I still want an answer.
I did just answer it.
Not sure you are scum anymore. WIll have to read you filter later.
I will be sitting in a train for the next ~3 hours but then I will be more or less around until deadline.
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