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NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 20:59 GMT
#1229
On September 11 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote:
are non-voters instamodkilled?

if so switch to tumble


They're given a warning and they get modkilled after two no-votes.

How is that a point against TW?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:11 GMT
#1257
Tomorrow we get Damdred. The heretics who do not agree will see their a rope arodund their neck the following day.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:17 GMT
#1278
UPDATE -- SINCE I THINK THAT CALIX IS TOWN, I WILL MAKE A LAST WILL IN WHICH I WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ONLY SHE CAN KNOW. SHE WILL CONFIRM THAT MY LW IS IN FACT MINE (if she is town).

@scott1337 -- Do not shoot N1. Your shot is most likely going to be neutered by the Death Whisperer.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:19 GMT
#1283
On September 11 2016 06:14 Calix wrote:
Literally the argument against me is "Calix was correct that a shitty train was a mislynch before he flipped"

Except I'm not using my 'correctness' to do anything.


Again, no one has addressed this, but I WAS STRONGLY AGAINST TT's LYNCH TOO AND WAS VOCAL ABOUT IT. WHY ONLY CALIX IS GETTING SHIT FOR IT IS BEYOND ME.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:20 GMT
#1288
On September 11 2016 06:08 Damdred wrote:
Can we not blame anyone, it was a push and a lynch. Tjats how the game goes tbh and being condescending towards hf will only cause a nuclear war.

But grac defending but not defending and calix chainsaw wifom defense is strange on retrospect


"LET'S NOT BLAME THE ONES ON THE ML TRAIN, LET'S INSTEAD BLAME THE ONES WHO DIDN'T AGREE TO ML TT"

SCUMMY AF. DAMDRED NEEDS TO GO. 100%.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:27 GMT
#1301
On September 11 2016 06:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:
UPDATE -- SINCE I THINK THAT CALIX IS TOWN, I WILL MAKE A LAST WILL IN WHICH I WILL INCLUDE INFORMATION ONLY SHE CAN KNOW. SHE WILL CONFIRM THAT MY LW IS IN FACT MINE (if she is town).

@scott1337 -- Do not shoot N1. Your shot is most likely going to be neutered by the Death Whisperer.

the last will stuff falls into sketchy rules area that may or may not result in mid action. I'd be careful and check with a host first.
and Scott should shoot Hf. something something "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" plus it means Hf won't get a chance to shoot calix


You are so stupid.

The Death Whisperer is 100% certain to be protecting one of the three scums N1. It's the night we have the least chance of making good use of your shawt.

Plus, HF driving a ML doesn't make him scum. He had (bad) reasons to vote him, but he had reasons. People like Damdred, Shapelog, Fuba, and Superbia gave no reasoning whatsoever for this lynch. They are scummier than the one who drove the ML. Fact.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:29 GMT
#1306
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:41 GMT
#1325
On September 11 2016 06:29 Grackaroni wrote:
@Scott:

I am 100% Ok with you randomizing a shot on anyone you are unsure of if you are shooting today. It is also perfectly fine to avoid shooting today.

Just please don't shoot TW/Vivax/NU/Calix


Add Fuba to that list IMO.

You already know I am strongly against shooting N1, but if you do decide to shoot on that night, I would propose shooting Damdred/Shapelog.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:45 GMT
#1331
On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me.


Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight.


I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup.

Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:49 GMT
#1337
On September 11 2016 06:43 Calix wrote:
I would propose not directing the shot because I recall the scum have some Doctor role that allows them access to the TPR chats if they heal correctly or some shit.


That's what I said 4 times, dear. >_>

Also stop saying what I said.

(^ Shapelog quote)

Read the first 15 pages of this thread. Literally ALL of your posts were repeating what I had said 5 minutes earlier. All of them. Fuck off.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:54 GMT
#1347
On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.

Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you?


Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour.


Yes, idiot.

And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train"

You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly?


I'll see when I reread EoD.


You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point.

Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh?


TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something.


lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit.


For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely.

The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because:
- There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia.
- Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.).
- Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending.


If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL?

Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:56 GMT
#1350
On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me.


Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight.


I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup.

Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else.


Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point.

Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument.

Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though?

Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 21:59 GMT
#1359
On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum?


It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read.


I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1.

Given that Damdred only has town-reads and that you think that scum are more likely to town-read town, what is your read on him?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:01 GMT
#1364
On September 11 2016 06:56 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:
On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.

Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you?


Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour.


Yes, idiot.

And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train"

You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly?


I'll see when I reread EoD.


You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point.

Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh?


TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something.


lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit.


For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely.

The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because:
- There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia.
- Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.).
- Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending.


If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL?

Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.


What the fuck is a VCA.


Vote Count Analysis. What Calix and I did to show that TT's lynch was most likely a ML, 3 hours before he was lynched.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:04 GMT
#1367
I like Super's recent posts.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:12 GMT
#1378
Damdred, Shapelog, and Palmar are my scum-reads. In this order.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1388
Eh, I can see a world where Calix flips scum too. She had enough scumtells during the first 24h of D1 for me to think this way.

Overall I think that her tone, actions, and black sheeping overshadow the scum vibes she gave me at the start.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:22 GMT
#1396
On September 11 2016 07:19 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 07:18 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Eh, I can see a world where Calix flips scum too. She had enough scumtells during the first 24h of D1 for me to think this way.

Overall I think that her tone, actions, and black sheeping overshadow the scum vibes she gave me at the start.


Your 'scum tells' and 'meta reads' are going to evaporate so hard when I flip.

You forget how pigheaded I am.






c:
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:52 GMT
#1403
I've reviewed Skynx's EoD filter, and I am mixed.

For one, I can see his train of though evolving through his posts, and so his vote didn't feel forced.

For two, and this point is sort of a contradiction to point one, he said that he was going to vote for
On September 11 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 03:49 Calix wrote:
Skynx, pls give your ideal targets instead of making an open-ended appeal.

Palmar, Shape, Super. Possibly Damdred.


He then started to argue with HF saying that his reasoning was bad and that he should feel bad.
After, he says this
On September 11 2016 05:00 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:58 Vivax wrote:
On September 11 2016 04:55 Tumblewood wrote:
yo calix, Damdred's meta D1 as town is to try and form a town circle (and to a lesser extent all game). he is also a valuable townie because that is a useful strategy.


His scum play has become really good. I won't lynch him D1 by default but I'm certainly still open to the idea of him being mafia. If he actually lynched mafia at some point ahead that would make things easier.

HF and Palmar are roughly in the same category.

The idea of the town circle is only as good as the town circle itself, so don't really see any grounds for this being a reason to TR Damdred.

The point is we're not lynching Damdred today. We need to form some sort of circle and decide on something.
Let's ignore Palmar cuz ppl don't want to lynch him, which of Super, Shape, TT you want to lynch most?


On September 11 2016 05:06 Skynx wrote:
Shape's filter is ever so slightly better than I originally anticipated, I'm voting TT.


Somehow TT sneaked into his lynch pool without previous notice. It's a big contradiction considering he disagreed with HF.

For three, he says this
On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch.


He says that HF is painting TT as scum, but then votes him and says that it's a PL? I understand that he didn't have a strong scum-read, but voting someone who he acknowledges has aa shitty train on him is brutally bad when there were other possible PLs he himself proposed.

The rest of his posts felt town, nothing to report. Conclusion: Despite his actions not matching his words and acting shady, I still think that Skynx is town because of his tone, his attempts to town-hunt (and thus scum-hunting by poe), his uncertainty, and his reasoning.

Thoughts?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
September 10 2016 22:54 GMT
#1404
On September 11 2016 07:50 fuba wrote:
That is an unfortunate flip.

Gonna go subscribe to the replacement thread now :S


What are your thoughts on the argument that Calix is scum for TT's town flip?

Why did you vote TT?

What are your reads?

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
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