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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 16:09 GMT
#792
fuba is town because he is getting worked up about the game+ Show Spoiler +
also feels

can you focus on everyone else now calix? that wasn't a brilliant explanation but it is true. just know that many players individually saw the same actions from him and saw that it would never come from scum.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 16:16 GMT
#797
I encourage everyone to look past Hf's "infallible logic" and see that he is saying that a player with no more than 5 posts is guaranteed mafia. Hf is not a stupid person, but saying it with such fiery conviction is stupid. I guess you could call that a contradiction, but more importantly this has "pushing a mislynch" written all over it.
my guess at a scumteam so far is hf/palmar/??? (possibly skynx for the dropoff, or Damdred for supporting Hf, or tt if you want to get tinfoily). I like grack's point on Palmar. honestly guys just listen to grack because he is far and away the smartest player this game.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 16:19 GMT
#799
ooooOOOOoooo maybe shape is scum too. I'll keep that one in my back pocket.
protip: if it is day 4 and shape has not gotten more than one vote, lynch him. he has been voted twice ever as scum (and one was bussing) but frequently gets lynched as town.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 16:23 GMT
#801
On September 11 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I encourage everyone to look past Hf's "infallible logic" and see that he is saying that a player with no more than 5 posts is guaranteed mafia. Hf is not a stupid person, but saying it with such fiery conviction is stupid. I guess you could call that a contradiction, but more importantly this has "pushing a mislynch" written all over it.
my guess at a scumteam so far is hf/palmar/??? (possibly skynx for the dropoff, or Damdred for supporting Hf, or tt if you want to get tinfoily). I like grack's point on Palmar. honestly guys just listen to grack because he is far and away the smartest player this game.


I have made super strong pushes just the same as this in many other games. Vivax has also SAID THAT ALREADY IN THIS GAME.

Now, you admit it's a contradiction but yoh have failed to comment on my posts saying why it makes him mafia.

If you are keen on continuing this push then fucking wreck my logic and show people how I'm mafia instead of these useless pushes that aren't convincing anyone.

no fuck that if I go and wreck your logic suddenly 50 more posts pop up that say that my logic is wrong or some shit and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 18:42 GMT
#882
On September 11 2016 03:21 Skynx wrote:
Also can someone gimme a quick recap of fuba vs NU i almost completely ignored that.

they yelled at each other but it didn't matter because both of them are town
On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.


I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"?

No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM?

No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'.


If you are defending him and are town then it goes to say that your entire point about mafia should be defending him if he's mafia is irrelevant because town can also defend him.

Wifom seems to be the entirety of your argument for not voting a scummy guy.

Everyone should look at my logic and say if it's right and sheep it because tt is mafia or wrong and he's not and PROVE why.

Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town?


Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said "oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense.

TL as a site is more bus-heavy than other sites. if someone sees their teammate going down d1 and doesn't think it's salvageable they will push that wagon themselves most of the time. even if bussing d1 is a bad strategy (and tbh it is most of the time) it undeniably happens a lot on TL.
Not voting (5): Skynx, Palmar, Vivax, Shapelog, Tictock
hahahaha god help us too many lurkers
at least one is scum. probably 2. weird that all of them but tt aren't receiving votes. and super is lurking too more or less.
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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 18:44 GMT
#885
and to neverunlucky:
you are incredibly tunneled. I would wager that at least two of your scumreads are wrong. you're doing the stupid thing townies do all the time which is act like they've solved the game before there's a single flip and then refuse to change their positions. your reads are not as good as you think they are. reevaluate your scumreads. reevaluate your townreads. do this frequently.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 18:47 GMT
#889
On September 11 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 01:23 Tumblewood wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 01:16 Tumblewood wrote:
I encourage everyone to look past Hf's "infallible logic" and see that he is saying that a player with no more than 5 posts is guaranteed mafia. Hf is not a stupid person, but saying it with such fiery conviction is stupid. I guess you could call that a contradiction, but more importantly this has "pushing a mislynch" written all over it.
my guess at a scumteam so far is hf/palmar/??? (possibly skynx for the dropoff, or Damdred for supporting Hf, or tt if you want to get tinfoily). I like grack's point on Palmar. honestly guys just listen to grack because he is far and away the smartest player this game.


I have made super strong pushes just the same as this in many other games. Vivax has also SAID THAT ALREADY IN THIS GAME.

Now, you admit it's a contradiction but yoh have failed to comment on my posts saying why it makes him mafia.

If you are keen on continuing this push then fucking wreck my logic and show people how I'm mafia instead of these useless pushes that aren't convincing anyone.

no fuck that if I go and wreck your logic suddenly 50 more posts pop up that say that my logic is wrong or some shit and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid


You have no logic.

"I have no reason to town-read Superbia, so I'll lean-town-read him."

that's not even what we were discussing and you have a stupid amount of hubris this game
but don't mind me, I'm acting Illogical and only Mafia ever do that. Good Townies are always Rational Actors who always back up their posts with Reason.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 18:49 GMT
#892
scum pool for today (I will not ever vote anyone outside of this pool today):
Skynx
Palmar
Superbia
Shapelog
Tictock
Holyflare

I recommend you all follow suit. though vivax and damdred are not completely stupid votes, just moderately stupid.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 18:51 GMT
#898
On September 11 2016 03:48 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:27 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:24 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:10 Calix wrote:
On September 11 2016 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Calix you're either mafia or you don't know when you're wifoming.

Mafia can do anything they want at any point in the game and you don't know our meta. If anyone was throwing suspicions away from tt for no valid reason it would be you.

Tt has three votes, tt has not come back to post, people ARE defending tt etc etc.

Stop talking around people's posts and what THEY have done and talking about wifom scenarios it's bad play regardless of your alignment.

You should pick a person to mafia read and post why they are mafia for reasons rhey have done.


I know I am town. Why would I say "oh yeah I am defending TT so he must be mafia being defended"?

No, I don't know the meta. That doesn't make my point invalid. What are you even arguing here, that since nobody is defending him that he is still scum that the scum aren't trying to defend? Otherwise what is your point with WIFOM?

No idea what you are even calling me out for here with 'talking around posts'.


If you are defending him and are town then it goes to say that your entire point about mafia should be defending him if he's mafia is irrelevant because town can also defend him.

Wifom seems to be the entirety of your argument for not voting a scummy guy.

Everyone should look at my logic and say if it's right and sheep it because tt is mafia or wrong and he's not and PROVE why.

Also vivax why have you let damdred be there saying tt's mafia meta is to afk when you just saw him afk as town?


Mafia are not going to stand by and let one of their own die on Day 1. Several people have said "oh I don't find the TT case convincing" so it's not like the case is so airtight that the scum will give up if TT is scum. So the utter lack of scum defending him or pushing for a different train doesn't make sense.


How do you know those people aren't mafia????


I don't. What I was saying there is that there is enough doubt about TT's alignment that scum have room to make a more coordinated defense of TT/ attack of someone else. And I don't see why they wouldn't because bussing is a horrendous scum move.

Although if I'm to trust TW, you guys actually bus on D1? wtf

o ya
everyone is too afraid to get their hands dirty by soft defending / hard defending their partner before they flip. in 72h mafia, my last scum game, I bussed my partner rels as long as I was alive (though he survived until endgame). both of my teammates bussed me on d2. just an example
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:14 GMT
#929
ok you know what hf I'll take you up
On September 10 2016 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
No it's actually not at all. A certain scum read on someone at the start of the game generates a million times more discussion than crap discussions about mechanics, it also helps me make reads on people such as Grack being mafia now and it let's me see who is keen on just skating by and ignoring it.

It's a very strong opening.

But in this case I actually do think that Ticktock is mafia because:

Show nested quote +
On September 10 2016 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Simple facts are:

TT did an opening to try and mimic Trfel from last game really obviously but it looked really forced/stiff
TT posted no content and only one liner posts agreeing
TT's only posts wildly different from his town opening
TT posted something that he couldn't/shouldn't have posted because of what he said
TT has gone afk and done nothing

But... he's not mafia?


ok first of all you can't assume tt was trying to mimic trfel from last game. and, tt has a "town opening"? and if he doesn't follow this "town opening" he's scum?
fourth point I don't remember about so I'll assume it's bad
second and fifth points are variations on the same thing imo. I think the only valid way to present tt is as a policy lynch.
you calling grack mafia for his reaction to your case is bad and wrong.
On September 10 2016 10:05 Holyflare wrote:
This mindset is like someone coming in to the game and saying the following:

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for being so certain, trying to say I said things a different way, bla, bla bla."

or

"Oh, I know Grackaroni posted something boring that I haven't read on Holyflare but Holyflare is mafia for <insert reasons that COULD have already been talked about before>"

don't remember the context of this so we skip this quote
On September 10 2016 10:15 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically if you call a thing boring you don't normally want to be talking about it.

If you call a thing boring and that you haven't read it you're not going to be posting about it since people could have already made the exact same point and you're wasting your time.

If you call a thing boring and you haven't read it then you aren't going to make your only content filled post on the game about it either.

idk I post about (or mostly used to post about) things I thought were boring all the time. usually when I complain about it though. I agree it doesn't make sense but I don't think that has any impact on his alignment. the last sentence of this sounds like it makes it even worse but again it's a variation on "tt did nothing and fucked off".
On September 10 2016 10:19 Holyflare wrote:
My assumption, and it's a very logical assumption to make, is that he actually read/skimmed the entire thread and saw nobody made this point yet and as mafia found a way to look like he was contributing by posting "new information" since mafia love to blend and talk about mechanics.

Then all the other stuff I've posted about him too.

p r o j e c t i o n
"this is what another person was thinking. I felt it was a safe assumption because I read 5 posts by him."
On September 10 2016 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
are you actually being fucking serious?

he has no content to post, he's struggling with his entrance (look at his town game entrance completely different and actually has content?!?!) and his only substantial post of the game is something he specifically says is boring and that he hasn't read:

a) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that it's a fucking bs mindset

b) he's not going to post content like that while explaining that he skimmed over content like that because he might be posting things people have already said.

SO what we have here is that ticktock has LIED about not reading the posts and has actually skimmed and knows what they've said OR he's not read them and then he's posting useless shit as his only content of the game that he said was boring that he knows full well other people COULD have said <------- and if THAT is the case then he's literally posting just for the sake of posting which, again, is a mafia mindset.

Who posts something like that after acknowledging that it already exists but not knowing their content? Mafia.


Perhaps you should actually read his god damn filter from his town game instead of harping on about how it's bs and overplayed when it's literally night and day differences between substantial reads from his town game and simple "Yeah I like that post" bs in this game. It's hilarious that you've actually for some reason looked at two of my previous games and ignored absolutely every other game I've ever played and concluded that I never do these kind of pushes as town when vivax has literally told you 3-4 times that I am this aggressive as either alignment whenever I want to be.

wow it turns out someone whose only posts are from the first four hours of the game did not have very substantial posts. very surprising, given that there is so much substance to work off of at that stage. this is exactly what tt was thinking based on my intense psychoanalysis of 15 combined sentences.

tt is a plynch. no more. I don't want to hear any of this bullshit about how he was trying to blend or whatever whatever because there is no way to deduce this from this tiny amount of posts without projecting your own thoughts onto him.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:18 GMT
#934
On September 11 2016 04:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:13 Palmar wrote:
yeah I'm not putting in effort enough today to change my mind and I was mildly attracted to HF's manliness before, so I'm just gonna sheep him.


This guy needs to go. Seriously

HOW OPPORTUNISTIC IS THIS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN "AFK" THROUGH THE WHOLE DAY?

palmar is what we call a "special case". this behavior isn't abnormal for him as either alignment.
though I still want to lynch him for tone
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:24 GMT
#944
On September 11 2016 04:21 Calix wrote:
Can we actually decide on like, a decent target for EOD please? TT's train is terrible and if Palmar votes for him, that makes 3/4 sheep voters.

If anyone town-reads Damdred or HF, then please speak up now.

Everyone is just doing their own fucking thing at the moment.

I have a 50% townread on Damdred for vaguely looking town and 50% don't-lynch-read for being good
but yeah my scum pool is outlined already and I am willing to go for any target in there although tt would hurt my ego
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:25 GMT
#946
On September 11 2016 04:22 Palmar wrote:
sheeping is good

I think HF is town based on a) sounding like a raging hammer of justice at some point and b) effort.

Damdred is whatever. I always think he's mafia but he actually looks like mafia here. But then again, I always think he's mafia.

I don't wanna lynch damdred mostly because I know he's good and can be useful at some point. I need him to impress me a bit more though.

both your a and b are normal Hf things for both alignments.
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:25 GMT
#948
On September 11 2016 04:24 Skynx wrote:
It's not even a case, you are just spamming the thread and somehow it convinced people that you have an actual case on TT.

ok Skynx is town. I like skynx
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:29 GMT
#957
this entire game feels like townies vs. holyflare to me, with bonus lurkers and sheep's on Hf's side
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:37 GMT
#976
On September 11 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On September 11 2016 04:33 Superbia wrote:
He would have posted as town


Y'all are trying to give scum motives to a lurker to cover up the fact that it is a PL.


Tt is a good town player

no one is a good town player when they are not playing
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:39 GMT
#980
and can someone + Show Spoiler [cough cough] +
superbia
explain to me the process behind:
tw is scum -> vote tw -> fuck off for 36 hours -> guys vote tt
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:46 GMT
#998
On September 11 2016 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:37 Palmar wrote:
actually HF, give me the bitesize version:

why is TT scum? (you can link to a post or just answer, but short pls cause attention span low, I am killing aliens in a boardgame too).


He tried to copy trfel's town opening from last game and it looked really stiff and bad.

His reads at the start of the game looked nothing like he opened last game and were just lines saying i like this post.

He made a post with criticism of people being boring talking about mechanics and that he hasn't read it and posted about mechanics. I think this is a contradiction to his mindset and also he wouldn't post it because someone else could have posted the same thing.

It looks like he knows what people have posted and made sure it was a hipster comment.

He then went to dinner and died irl.

do you realize that all of these things either you couldn't know are true or are not alignment indicative?
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:49 GMT
#1001
On September 11 2016 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Lynching mafia HF is my dream Palmar. Surely you can understand.


Like that time you were so sure of lynching mafia hf in onegu 2 ok.

u literally fakeclaimed cop to get a lynch through and after the flip claimed that was a lie
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
September 10 2016 19:52 GMT
#1006
On September 11 2016 04:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote:
On September 11 2016 04:44 Holyflare wrote:
On September 11 2016 04:37 Palmar wrote:
actually HF, give me the bitesize version:

why is TT scum? (you can link to a post or just answer, but short pls cause attention span low, I am killing aliens in a boardgame too).


He tried to copy trfel's town opening from last game and it looked really stiff and bad.

His reads at the start of the game looked nothing like he opened last game and were just lines saying i like this post.

He made a post with criticism of people being boring talking about mechanics and that he hasn't read it and posted about mechanics. I think this is a contradiction to his mindset and also he wouldn't post it because someone else could have posted the same thing.

It looks like he knows what people have posted and made sure it was a hipster comment.

He then went to dinner and died irl.

do you realize that all of these things either you couldn't know are true or are not alignment indicative?


What are you talking about? Trfel opened the exact same way last game. Vivax pointed that out this game and he had a response about it.

The second point is entirely what he has said.

The third and fourth are logical assumptions. Why would you waste time talking about boring things and why would you post something someone could have already posted? You don't.

oh whoops lol if two players open the same way the second has to be copying the first. can't believe I forgot that rule lol
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