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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote: Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. Good theory. We will watch him in the future. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:41 Palmar wrote: What's more important is, let's pile some votes on Rels. ##vote Rels You can carry me Palmar!! | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:57 Palmar wrote: Koshi you're a moron  If only I had some1 like you last game to fulfill secondary objectives. People were too nice. Townreading me 24/7. | ||
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Almost 100% lock town tbh. | ||
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You liked me being God disformation? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. This guy is mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:08 disformation wrote: i thought you would revive/resurrect me near eod.  I saw it in obs qt. hahahahahaha dat wishful thinking. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:10 Vivax wrote: You're a real prick for saying you had a cool role when it was just yourself. It made me misjudge you. Palmar rigged the game. Koshi best role 2016 bro. | ||
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Good times. | ||
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prime suspects. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. Makes sense! | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:14 Trfel wrote: Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia? Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why? I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. | ||
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He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred. | ||
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##unvote ##vote Tumblewood | ||
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##vote disformation Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. | ||
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Disformation has the "oh wait it is probably breaking meta" mafia addendum | ||
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##Tumblewood I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo. | ||
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On August 29 2016 08:05 Tumblewood wrote: btw Koshi your read sucks I like it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 08:11 Holyflare wrote: This also adds weight to the Koshi read on Tumble since Vivax posted a load of tripe so far. I like that train of thought though! | ||
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On August 29 2016 10:10 DanelerH wrote: I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote: If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast. Almost 100% lock town tbh. Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels prime suspects. On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote: I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote: Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe. On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote: Ohh I know it: He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred. After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive. ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##Tumblewood I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo. ##vote Koshi If you realy have issues with this in the future I can explain what I did. But nothing here makes me mafia. It's just pointing out I do weird things. And they aren't that weird tbh. | ||
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On August 29 2016 10:16 DanelerH wrote: I forgot to specify what the first spoiler is about. In it, Koshi suspects Trfel, but then defends Trfel later. If you mean I suspected Tfrel because I said Vivax is mafia with him, then that is really poor. It was just the more logical conclusion to what somebody said. | ||
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On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me lynch this guy. typical mafia sentence. I wanted to make this sentence last game so many times but didn't because I was afraid it would anger town. 2 mafia points for Tumble. | ||
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On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote: oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad Cop out answer. | ||
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On August 29 2016 12:23 Tumblewood wrote: damn I have these super secret strats but they require me to read filters zzz... maybe I'll use the super duper secret strat of sheeping someone This guy is lost. Please put him out of his misery. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:34 Trfel wrote: Also, someone help me out, which two people is Koshi referring to as being mafia in this post? No. Obviously I am talking about Tfrel and Vivax. | ||
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Not sure if I like this answer but I'll allow it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:22 Trfel wrote: I think I kind of like DanelerH. It feels like he is involved with the game and actually interested in looking into people's thinking behind their actions. Thoughts? He is going to be null for life in this game. Probably good vigshot. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:46 disformation wrote: I did like the scott spreadsheet thing. Also liked how he was just like "Koshi your read sucks" for tone reasons. Though the later one is super weak. Rest of his filter is super bleh. Like I get demotivated from reading that, too. xD Guess that would make for a scumlean or something. scumlean or something? The guy is lock mafia. Normally TW is actually pretty good and pretty clear to read. Bit low content poster but he has a clear view of the game in his head. Something amazing needs to happen for me to not unvote him. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:10 disformation wrote: can you explain your RB scum read for me? Not really. I just found the TW + Koshi read so bad I think one of those is mafia and it isn't me. | ||
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The really good stuff. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:22 disformation wrote: also: without any explanation whatsoever. what do you think about that vt flavor thing he started out with? goddamn that was him. Ok, that is a bit problematic. Ok let's keep him at null then. The only way I can see mafia do that is if there actually is VT flavor in the QT and he wanted to be brave. But I doubt it because all the roles are in the OP. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:35 Trfel wrote: Koshi, what do you think of geript? Looked like way too much text to come from mafia. If he keeps it up like that we won't have a problem. Didn't read it line per line but it felt like it had game solving ideas in it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:42 Palmar wrote: This is not true and you know it's not true. It is true and I know it is true. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote: But you're meant to be like... not awful. Such is my burden, I must decide who is awful and who is mafia. I recommend you call me town because that's really helpful to me. I'll call you town when you are town. Currently you are null leaning null. | ||
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On August 29 2016 18:51 disformation wrote: TBH I am surprisingly cool with "my" meta thing on palmar. And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz! Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town. Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that. I really liked that extra dimension read he had on TW. Showed he is thinking about the game and not pretending to think about the game. atm one of the most townie people. | ||
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Other than that I am pretty ok with geript atm. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:06 Palmar wrote: How do you not agree with that. Actually, better yet: Draw me up a scenario where RB is mafia and posts that comment. Explain his thought process. (was he aware of all role pms being in the OP? Did he plan the comment to get town cred, anticipating a reaction like mine?) Explain exactly what happened in his head as mafia that caused him to make that post, and I'll accept that he can be mafia. I meant I didn't agree with how geript came to this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. to this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. RB being in his scumlist was off. Other than that. I can see how he came to his reads. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:26 Palmar wrote: And yes Koshi, that is hilariously backwards. He literally agreed with my towntell and then called the guy scum. It's geript lynching time now. Tumblewood wagon best wagon. | ||
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On August 29 2016 20:01 Race Bannon wrote: Anyway, @Koshi does it n any way influence your read of Tumblewood that he told DanelerH not to put too much weight on contribution .. when you yourself made an aegument that geript's posts were more likely to come from town because of their volume? No he is still lock mafia. And I agree that volume alone is not enough to townread or scumread somebody, but it is a good metric to start somewhere. Especially on D1 the people with the most pages tend to be town. While people who have a lower amount of posts than normal are more likely mafia. The easiest way to find mafia D1 is to look at people who jump at every possibility they get to make a "good post" about somebody who did something remotely scummy but then forget about that read 2 secs later. | ||
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On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment. Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team. Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads. So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff. So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played: - no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics. - no committment to what he said. - liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash. - + one could go on about finding similarities. Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia. THE CASE ON SCOTT ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/51/56/c4/5156c4785945c90f11b36d97ed244d0c.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://media0.giphy.com/media/1VI11KXvGKZ8c/200_s.gif) + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote: Woohoo! Let's do this. Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM? Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested. Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check. Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once. Low committment to his declared opinion. Check. On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote: Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious. Random low seriousness post. Check. On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote: So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here) and the other he starts just talking shit Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks. This could be a good idea. Just for fun he checks Rels last two games. He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded. "Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT "Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk. Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check. On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote: He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier. Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check. On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote: This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP. Did you roll mafia again? Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check. On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote: Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check. On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote: Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.  Could you tell me more? Random question. On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote: DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone? Useless question. On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote: Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland. COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment? On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote: Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts? Random questions. On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote: Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else? Random questions. Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope . Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town  So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler + 0 Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game. tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote: The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. Even though this is just a rehearsing of what I said and everything I say should be taken as it came from Jeebus himself. (also I am confirmed God). I disagree it makes geript lock mafia. Except for the RB read I can find myself in geripts reads. 1 bad read doesn't make somebody mafia. | ||
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On August 30 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote: For the thread: That post (by TW) was made after RB posted his read, so it cannot (given a normal timeline) have influenced geript's concern about RB's pair. And that's if you even believe that throwing two people as possible mafia must mean you've also associated them enough to make sure they can be scum together. Hell geript even forgets who was the in the pair, and then remembers next line. We're going to have ourselves a dead geript for dinner. Yes, it could have influenced him if he didn't think much about the rb post when he saw it but then revisited the post when he saw TW his reply on it. Doesn't make him scum at all. | ||
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On August 30 2016 02:24 Trfel wrote: I find the meta read you posted interesting, and it's partially correct That said, I'm not as confident on Palmar as I generally am, which annoys me a little bit.Koshi, I find it very funny that you keep insisting that this game is within the range of Palmar's mafia play but say that Holyflare is super towny after a handful of posts. Do you not have a high opinion of Holyflare's scum play, or is there an extra nuance to this read?HF is probably the best mafia player at this site, or at least has won the most games on his own. But in this game I think HF is town because I agree with all posts he makes 100% while I don't have the same feeling when I read Palmar his post. Do I think Rels is mafia for the reasons Palmar stated? Nope. Do I think geript is mafia for the reasons Palmar stated? Nope. Do I agree with HF that TW is a flailing fish and should be lynched? Yes. | ||
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On August 30 2016 02:54 Holyflare wrote: I'm also more tempted to lynch Tumble because I don't remember him ever playing this badly as town (ignore last game since that was a wtf is going on game), it looks more like he's struggling to fit in at all and can't think of stuff to post: ^ first instance of a read that says absolutely nothing and then gives a free town read to vivax based on something that didn't even happen, feels forced to give a read at that moment followed by posts that just involve talking to people aka nothingness conversation: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 10:48 Tumblewood wrote: yo daneler, you can just call everyone here "he". the effort is in good will, but it's really not necessary here. On August 29 2016 10:52 Tumblewood wrote: that reminds me, daneler, you're not going to get very far reading people for whether their posts are "contributive". this is the most common newbie mistake I see; it seems natural that town would want to contribute and scum wouldn't want to help town, but more often than not that reasoning will lead you astray. try evaluating posters' mindsets or look for inconsistencies. ^ this guy is against gender integration On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote: oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad god there's so many i don't even want to quote them all Anyway, following his crappy posts of nothingness that don't speak about anything to do with the game he has random moments of throwing around one liner posts of a read that have no explanation or follow up whatsoever: his only read of substance is his RB read which is very surface level anyway and not exactly a great read (also ignores what everyone was talking about with regards to RB and his pm crap) and this Scott read which is solely based on activity.... his entire filter is surface level blending dude is mafia Point and case. TW is not solving the game and is just doing random stuff. Not a single interesting post. | ||
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On August 30 2016 03:11 Tumblewood wrote: actually next target trfel. or maybe I can save myself some time by asking whether trfel constantly asks "X, what do you think of Y?" as town/scum HF posts a giant case on him and 4 posts later he decides to not comment on HF or the case on him? Nha. I don't believe this is town TW with nothing to lose. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote: @Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT? I think it looks like a decent post but why does he post that and then fucks off? Like I said. How to find mafia 101: - Look for the guy who made super disconnected posts from the flow of the thread and is just pretending to be scumhunting. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:27 disformation wrote: @Koshi what do you think of TW's meta thing on TT? mafia!TW found something he could put out there that didn't look super terrible and went for it. Where you convinced by the post? Do you scumread TT now? | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:31 Holyflare wrote: Lol koshi i don't actually hate tw after he posted that :D Not totally anyway. 1 good post and he is town? That's not how it works. Mafia are the ones who make posts in an attempt to look town. The better the mafia player the more townie post he can make. Town are the ones who make posts in an attempt to find mafia and don't care if they look town but look town in the process. TW in this game is red and was able to make 1 good post. TW in any other game is green and obvious green. I will go look for a game. | ||
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This one shows what I mean though even if it is +3months old: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/507600-cap-tortoise-mafia?user=Tumblewood See how he is not a scared chicken that hides behind terrible posts? To the point, low filter, but all game solving. Nothing of that this game. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game? Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I can't read people like him. Only when they have a somewhat acceptable activity level I can get a good read. And most of the times only when they are town. I read his posts and shrug. Final read. | ||
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My best guesses for mafia. | ||
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Proof: My last mafia game. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:49 DanelerH wrote: I keep rereading the post where you say Geript clears up the inconsistancy, but I'm failing to see how it does so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it just says it was because of a strange pairing Race made. If it was so important that it makes xym seem like a Mafia, wouldn't it have been far better to put that in the read? All xe mentioned there was that it was a weird pair to read. As for why I haven't looked into Disformation yet, I was following the advice about looking more for inconistancies, rather than uncontributive posts. It appears that in doing so, however, I have only ended up making myself look more suspicious. Just play your own game man. How have you found mafia in the past? Use that system and try to perfect it. Don't give a shit about others think and force your reads upon them and not the other way around. Otherwise you are going to look disconnected and fake. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:43 Koshi wrote: Palmar, Vivax, TW My best guesses for mafia. I actually like these names a lot. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:59 disformation wrote: but what do we do about Rels? He is still on one post and that kinda pisses me off cause I know Rels can play a good game. nobody cares about Rels. | ||
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God Koshi. You should know. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:05 Palmar wrote: Do you sincerely believe I mafia? If so, why? I have no reason to believe you are town and I disagree heavily with your push on geript. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:07 Palmar wrote: actually fuck it, I don't really care why. The fact you pointed our geript's inconsistency regarding his RB read means you're maybe town, or at least, I'm never going to lynch you today, so I'm just going to a happier place where I pretend you don't exist. That way I get to play the game without having to deal with you today! This may be the smartest thing I've done in a while. Palmar/Vivax/TW pretty good names. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote: wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though. back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad Why is it bad? | ||
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On August 29 2016 10:20 scott31337 wrote: Tell me more why those two posts cause for immediate suspicion. + Show Spoiler + I had a rough thought that the two could be mafia as well, so I wasn't so off on that second post from Koshi Scott doubts the Koshi is mafia read from Danel because he had the exact same thought as I had. This shows he in his mind believes he is town and then uses this information to call me town for thinking the same. Town mindset. On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote: Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody. Could you tell me more? Positive mindset and is following the game closely. | ||
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On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote: He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well. Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation. ##vote scott31337 What in all this makes him mafia over town playing the game? | ||
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1) Worst entrance post of all: On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. 2) Random reads that don't achieve anything. Stuff like this never has even a chance to advance the game: On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote: maybe palmar's mafia 3) On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote: waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way When RB calls us both mafia he goes "nha we are not both mafia". But when HF or myself calls TW mafia he ignores us. This is mafia mindset. 4) What read? This implies that he reads me town. 5) On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me mafia mindset. Lost on what to do. 6) On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote: why is that a townlean ... OH SHIT tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred or not, maybe Found something to do. It is terrible. But sure, he has scott mafia now? 7) On August 29 2016 12:23 Tumblewood wrote: damn I have these super secret strats but they require me to read filters zzz... maybe I'll use the super duper secret strat of sheeping someone random nothingness that will not advance the thread ever. 8) On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: meh I like scott now On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: new scott > afk scott and is also probably town scott town? 9) I'll add that he made 4 posts about why TT is mafia. (spoiler: TT is 100% town) 10) On August 30 2016 06:19 Tumblewood wrote: seriously koshi you are absurdly tunneled. everything I do is scummy to you. you have literally ignored everything in the game that does not reaffirm your case on me. this is worse than I've ever seen you. usually it's at least not till d2 or you have multiple people or you notice that there are other people in the game this is an intervention On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote: wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though. back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad I am town? 11) On August 30 2016 06:28 Tumblewood wrote: I have a plan that is completely unrelated to everything else I've said if you are rels, stop reading here ... okay maybe this wasn't what I remember, but somewhere in this qt rels had a post (maybe it was this one) maybe someone who is good can find this but it would be useful to look at how he planned on defending against his lynch D1 in 72hours. or we can just look at how he actually did it. if he remains afk I'll probably vote him in ~6 hours because how he reacts to pressure will be telling. What is this even? There is a chance Rels comes in the thread posts things and then is maybe mafia? Good plan. How does this advance scumhunting or advance the thread? It is just fluff that makes it look like TW actually does something when he is not doing anything. 12) On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote: strangely I am legit considering koshi as mafia... on the other hand probably omgus Nope I am mafia. So every post he makes I am town, even pleads to me to stop my tunnel. And then this. 13) On August 30 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote: ty for getting me to actually read it. it is a pretty good case Remember how scott was town for TW? 14) On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: town vivax daneler also probably town hf scummy tt scott? null/don't care yet most people Nope he conveniently became mafia. Lynch Tumblewood. Lynch mafia. | ||
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On August 30 2016 20:23 disformation wrote: @Koshi: why do you say TT is 100% town? cause TW is pushing TT and you think TW is 100% scum? That and this TT is mafia because he is nice is the dumbest thing I ever read. | ||
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On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote: If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way. The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective. It wasnt. | ||
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On August 31 2016 00:00 Vivax wrote: Rels, TW, Scott seems like a decent, but very easy D1 guess. But it seems to be such a common opinion that there's no swag in adopting it. Switching to TW now would mean that I admit defeat of my own case. And it can not be what must not be. Maybe on D2, but D2 will be full of wagon analysis from D1 that will change all the pieces. I am sure the three scummers in this game have no thread presence, maybe disfo has some if he's mafia, but that's not a matter for D1. If Palmar is one of them he's in full bus mode on TW right now. TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated. Palmar abandoned his push on geript in super lightning mode once it stopped gaining traction which I don't like at all. So maybe there is a bit of swagger to be had still. Palmar, Tumblewood and...scott? Like Palmar didn't even spend a single post on the case on scott, maybe cause he felt like he didn't have to since it's still very much under the radar. But I feel like Palmar is mafia in this game, cause for the fact he's playing there's very little conviction behind his own arguments, and he sucked up to Koshi which is a nono for town Palmar. I like this summary. Palmar/TW I can live with atm. Rels/Danel benched. Maybe RB? | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:25 Race Bannon wrote: You were pretending to "weigh" which is scummier, Tumble or disformation, based on their addendum involving having called vivax town, and trfel breaking meta, respectively. Don't think I was doing that. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:10 Tictock wrote: I hope you can or do explain what information was changing your mind. A case he first didn't bother reading. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:16 Race Bannon wrote: Hey me too. So what did I not understand, about that post of yours. I was not weighing them against each other at all. And I don't remember why I said disinformation was mafia in that post but I think it had to do with something somebody else said. But even if I did what you claim I did. Even then, I don't even see how it would or could make me mafia. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:22 Holyflare wrote: I'm also not caught uo properly did anything change? Nope | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:23 Holyflare wrote: Why did you make a new tw case when it wasn't really needed? When? I made a scott is town case and a tw is mafia case this afternoon. That's all. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:25 Holyflare wrote: Yes, why when it was essentially what i already said? Because momentum was going towards a scott lynch and I felt like making a case on TW. | ||
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Solve the game. Do something. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote: I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. Did you see my case? | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:46 Tumblewood wrote: game logic wise you both look the worst imo. but Koshi is pissing me off and looks more like actual scum game logic wise? Really? We both make good cases on you and you ignore them. HF made a case on you and you 100% ignored himand went on about something fucking unrelated to the game. What a joker you are. If you are town this is 100% on you. Kinda pathetic. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:52 Rels wrote: ##Vote geript That's never ever going to happen. | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:09 Tumblewood wrote: Koshi, I respect you as a person. you are pretty smart and a good player overall, but in this game you are making me very angry. I know I need to take a step back, and I hope you can do the same. I feel that you are shutting me out of the game by refusing to reevaluate my alignment, which puts me in a position like this one where I have to beg and plead for anyone to even consider me as town. it's making the game less fun for me and I think less fun for everyone else. if this is your scum game, that's a valid way to play but also makes me very angry. :/ definitely going to decompress this night Ok. I will step back. Reading your last 2 pages I could see you were playing on emotions, just couldn't see if it was mafia or town. I re-evaluate. You could be town. Won't post much during the night. meh. I'll be around though. | ||
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On August 31 2016 07:14 geript wrote: I'm still kinda around. | ||
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Scott I am 100% town on. If I die and you lynch him I am going to be very very sad. 100% town. Please believe me. Please. @Scott. When I die please feel free to solely keep quoting this message till the baddies remove their votes. Disformation obvious town. During the day he felt indecisive but with the activity during the night he became 100% town. HF obvious town. I don't think this high content activity is within his mafia reach. The doc should pick him or disformation tbh. Just flip a coin. Tfrel I wouldn't lynch but tbh I haven't read his filter yet. TW is probably going to be town. The posts he made before the lynch and after the lynch are more likely coming from an honest townie than an Oscar worthy mafia. TT I also think is town. Somewhere right before I made the TW case, (or right after?), we were thinking exactly the same on where to solve the game and where to look. He is also one of the few to be scumreading/pressuring geript/Vivax through the game. Just solid scumhunting on his own and trying to solve the game. I think that is the best way to townread TT btw. Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. Vivax Vivax is pushing mafia agenda 24/7. It is obvious if you look at the small things: On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote: More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? These 2 posts are very shady attempts to put pressure on TW without being in the spotlights. You read these posts and just ignore them and just put in your head "Vivax has something on TW" and take that with you without understanding what he means. Look at the bolded, it is putting very light suspicion on TW with unflipped association to Rels. Also the sentence right before that is just a very shady attempt to discredit TW from the start "Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar?". Both sentences were ambitious tries from Vivax to put the thread against TW. and it worked. On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote: Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment. Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler + I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?". The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games. So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team. Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics. Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game. Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads. So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. When I read that I actually wanted to skip over the entire case just because how bad the intro was. This is the most forced way to start a case. And it just smells of TMI "youare all on the wrong track but here is a bullshit case on scott that I want you all to gobble up" And we did... Speeding this thing up due to having other things to do: Everything else Vivax did that day was push his scott ml while cheering on the TW ml. Also look at this: On September 01 2016 02:15 Vivax wrote: Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested. Or are you saving it for post-night Pretending to be interested so they can decide if they should nk me. Pushing ùafoa agenda all night long. Why is geript more likely mafia over Danel? Because geript fits the team better. HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. I liked it the first time I read it. But now that I reread it I can see him be mafia with Palmar/Vivax. It's also the small things like Palmar vs geript never being a real thing, the push from Palmar on geript was superweak. Palmar telling me geript his summarize wasn't good while it was pretty good on first sight, it just felt wrong because he didn't try to convince me. Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff. It would be unlikely mafia shows face this hard so Danel is still an option. or RB #prayforred going to post this because if I don't and die I will never forgive myself. come at me mafia. | ||
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Palmar -into-> Vivax -into-> don't care yet. ##vote Palmar Things everybody needs to understand: Palmar is lock mafia. Koshi can't be mafia. | ||
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On September 01 2016 18:18 Holyflare wrote: You could just explain your scott read again If you want to go with obvious mafia!Vivax against me go ahead. I don't have to explain the scott read. Fact is that even if scott was a bit scummy this game he is still way more townie than both Palmar and Vivax so he should not be considered. But he isn't even scummy. Look at the 2 posts I quoted. Both show townie mindset and willingness to solve the game. All other posts are just post advancing the game somehow, or are just conversation posts which everybody makes. Last post he made is either mafia lying or a townie with genuine emotions. I am going for townie being angry and sad. Which are the correct emotions to feel atm. It is funny how Tfrel is trying to discredit me by my "gutread" scott when that is maybe the most "unexplainable" read I have. On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town? I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything. I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier. So this really confuses me. Tfrel 100% ignores both my cases on Vivax and Palmar. Just attacks me for my Scott read. While he just played mafia with me and knows the only thing I did was 1) Talk mechanics D1 2) Pushed Artanis/Skynx solely based on a QT snippet D2. Switched my reads from 100% lock town to 100% mafia solely due to that QT. 3) Spam things to get elected on D3 4) skipped D4 5) Dayvigged the most obvious town D5 and ignored the game. Not to speak of the fact I just tried to buddy everybody, never showed any intention to solve the game, made only one liners, etc etc etc Palmar -> Vivax -> Tfrel | ||
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On September 01 2016 18:45 Holyflare wrote: Why hasn't scott posted his spreadsheets then? Ask him. | ||
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How does that make me mafia HF? | ||
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On September 01 2016 18:46 Koshi wrote: Saying I am mafia in this game actually should get you lynched. No questions asked. this was about Tfrel not you. | ||
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On September 01 2016 19:29 Holyflare wrote: So you don't find it suspicious there's no spreadsheet at all? He's definitely seen my post asking for it and has been around. Yeah, kinda bad he dodged that question. :/ | ||
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Palmar. Tfrel. TW. Maybe even Scott. Come on. | ||
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On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote: Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before. If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? This never happened. | ||
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ah you meant why he didn't make my last list. It is because he was making posts. | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:38 Holyflare wrote: Koshi How can vivax's case on scott look like tmi but it's a scott mislynch? If it's tmi scott is mafia? The part that town was on the wrong track completely was the tmi part. Not scott. | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:41 geript wrote: Like he 'feels' like he's super active. Involved in everything, but has a much shorter filter than I'd expect. It's a scumread for Kita btw. It's a lot of little stuff I mentioned. Like usually I've seen him championing read to 'the known' players to push his read. But that's not so much here. It's drop a case. Do a little. Move on to next target. There's no real stubbornness. Like he's active at end of D1 but not really trying to make a decision. Iirc He's also the first and only to discredit end of D1 as useless. Like earlier, we usually really butt heads or I find his reads retarded. This game he's been ok. I think it was only Dane or TW who commented on his odd read mid D1 I think. I get your points on Palmar, but usually even among us vets, there's some disagreement on how to read the game. It's weird I'm defending palmar, but considering the dynamic of my-you-Koshi-vivax on similar pages with palmar kinda aligned but off on a few specifics in an argumentative way that's pretty odd. Usually the odd ball out is town and one in the circle is scum. And it's one in the circle who half keeps feeding the dissension. Here IMO the dissension looks more to come from vivax than Koshi or you. Why can't Vivax and Palmar not be both mafia? Vivax is just bussing Palmar because it was obvious we (HF and I) were going to go for him today. You are creating a world in which 3 of us are town and only 1 can be mafia. But what in a world in which 2 are mafia? | ||
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On September 02 2016 16:50 geript wrote: Vivax + Palmar can both be scum I just don't find it very likely. If those two are both scum Palmar doesn't quit thread. Like, Palmar can't be scum with anyone with any actual thread pull. Dnu. I don't see how Vivax can ever save Palmar. Maybe by presenting some lynchbait guy he has been pushing 24/7 with the worst case ever build. | ||
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On September 02 2016 17:02 geript wrote: If that's the case why doesn't Vivax suck up more to you/HF Dnu. It isn't so that he is trying to piss me off either though. He calls me town, says we are similar players. | ||
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But mostly I will be dead. HF will be dead. And vivax will be alive pushing scott. Then it is up to you geript. Or if you are mafia with Palmar/Vivax it is to the afk army to listen to the good dead townies. | ||
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So bad. But wagon of justice is Palmar. | ||
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Nha. Lynch Palmar. If he flips town surrender. People not playing the full game is becoming a problem. I am enjoying slower games but everybody should make the same amount of posts. | ||
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Granted. I am just a simple accountant in a "small" firm in his worldwide imperium but hey, kinda fun. | ||
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On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote: it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons. What is this purpose behind this post? How many times have you know soft defended Palmar? 5? ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood Fine. You win. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote: Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle. On September 02 2016 14:37 Tumblewood wrote: hf can u shut up about how palmar sheeped koshi but blah blah blah you made it first or whatever? it is not leading anywhere. maybe it's correct but I'd like to think it's a broken clock except it still yells TICK TICK TICK and at the top of every hour a cuckoo pops out and yells PALMAR'S SCUM! and it's still only right twice a day On September 02 2016 14:40 Tumblewood wrote: I can definitely see the thought process behind me being afk for large chunks of time -> mafia, but not so much for palmar because he is afk frequently and as both alignments. he's also not that afk compared to tt. On September 02 2016 23:05 Tumblewood wrote: because I don't care about it even a tenth as much as you do. and I disagree that Palmar would never do that as town On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote: it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons. It actually is 5. All on the last page of your filter. Which is probably last 36 hours? But your scumlist: On September 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote: I swear I could make a palmar post generator. just input [random quote] "worst post in the game" [other quote] "100% mafia. there's clearly a thought process but I just don't see it most of the time. ANYWAY. my best guess at a read is that palmar is scum because a) wrong on d1 though shenannies kinda don't count and b) usually as town he falls somewhere in the middle of the scale on arrogance or the very extreme high end, and right now he is on the low side. maybe worth letting him live in case mafia decides to kill him n2 for being palmar. legit thought ok. where I'm at right now is: can be excluded from the scum pool trfel hf, I think koshi as soon as he says he'll stop posting and then keeps posting vivax dane, for now not that bad lynches scott (probably the worst of these 4) geript tt palmar I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them Still got Palmar in there as lock mafia. | ||
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On September 02 2016 23:36 Tumblewood wrote: idc if I've been soft defending Palmar. he might not even be mafia, if you can comprehend such a world and that reminds me, you really need to drop your scumread on vivax because it ignores his biggest tell of not giving up after one day, and his second biggest tell of making crazy cases Then why is he in your scumlist under LOCK mafia. Because you have 4 names in which you are confident are 2-3 mafia and 2 names were dane + geript which you could put into null. So scott and Palmar are lock mafia then right? So why are you solely talking about how Palmar is not really mafia and ignore everyhting else. | ||
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On September 02 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote: and no, just because he is in my pool titled "lock scum"-- oh wait, it's actually titled "not bad lynches"-- does not mean I think Palmar is 100% mafia 4 "not bad lynches" that have possible 3 mafia in them. | ||
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On September 02 2016 23:39 Koshi wrote: Tumble go vote. | ||
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On September 02 2016 23:56 Tictock wrote: Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts? 1) During EoN he attacks my scott read while ignoring my much more indept Vivax case. I don't understand why he would discredit me by "discussing" my gutread on scott over my well worked out case on Vivax. That was the first red flag. 2) During D2 he hasn't done much but he did this: On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote: Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening. In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation. I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, ut the thought process. On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later. Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi. Voting for Tumblewood. Good night. The second time he repeats that TW and TT look very bad and could be mafia. He has no opinion on Palmar. And then his last post: On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote: Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before. If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town? Suddenly he +1s on the Palmar wagon. 3) The reason why I said he looked worse and worse is that he doesn't even read posts anymore. Why would he conclude Vivax was in my townlist? He just saw I put down some names and "assumed" those were all mafia? But why didn't he complain about scott being in there then.... Like... Tfrel started strong but his last posts are 100% garbage. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote: I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:49 Palmar wrote: Yes, sure. What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like: early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90% while mafia is more like early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30% Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100% Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so? Cuz you pissed him off calling him mafia while you called me town for something he also did. And you can't blame him for Rels because TW went for the emotion play and Rels made people angry so we swapped. I blame Rels for Rels. | ||
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On September 03 2016 00:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not blaming him, per se, I just want to hear him explain why. I voted Rels. It's not like I started thinking he wasn't doing things AFTER the lynch. He could have tried to lynch me instead right? I don't understand what you are going for but sure? | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:15 Holyflare wrote: Um what did you just read what he posted? Yeah. Still I like him more than the other 2. | ||
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On September 03 2016 01:59 Vivax wrote: Sure, start marketing that lynch. I worked to help get the Palmar wagon up, now you work to get yours up. If you manage to get a wagon going on scott, I'll instaswitch. If it's on tumble, I'll think about it. Reminder that probably only town voted scott D1 while mafia was switching around Rels/geript/TW (unless you think Daneler and Trfel are mafia?) Yes, I think Tfrel can be mafia. But unlike TW he had a decent D1. Danel his posts are ok but it's not like it is impossible for him to be mafia, just not a lynch I want to do right now. On September 03 2016 02:01 Holyflare wrote: I'm up for scott, guaranteed mafia. I'm out all night from now. ##unvote ##vote scott Worst idea ever. and apparently we are lynching scott? Holy fuck. | ||
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D2 he did nothing but defend Palmar in 5 out of the 10 posts he made. And then called Palmar mafia in another and voted TT who is out of all low filters the most townie. I don't even know why he is voting TT tbh. | ||
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On September 03 2016 04:34 Vivax wrote: Found it, it was Carol, his follow up there: Compared to the followup here: Reads entirely different! In Carol he kept the trolling up, here he jumped immediately into a bit of an awkward reading questioning of disfo after I voted him for the mafia claim. Opinions? Might be indicative of something but it's entirely meta based so I don't feel like making a call right now. Somewhere it makes sense he would try this hard after failing as scum in Palmars purge. | ||
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On September 03 2016 04:42 scott31337 wrote: Since everyone seemed to forget - I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today. I'm still doing installs, I don't have time to play - but after I get home today things should be normal. Post your reads please. Don't post the excel sheet, that is forbidden. Post your reads. | ||
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Vote TW. Don't vote Scott. | ||
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gl hf. Removing this game from my subscribed list. | ||
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On September 03 2016 06:23 Koshi wrote: I will be adding my vote to the biggest wagon in . gl hf. Removing this game from my subscribed list. | ||
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I could see Tfrel be mafia. Last 2 cycles he hasn't done shit. | ||
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My only read is TT is town. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + no + Show Spoiler + are you?+ Show Spoiler + TT obvious town.+ Show Spoiler + throughout entire game. | ||
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On September 05 2016 17:25 Holyflare wrote: Do you not care that scott is very likely to get lynched koshi? + Show Spoiler + Only if I am right. | ||
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On September 05 2016 18:34 Palmar wrote: I so want this to be true, but tbh there is probably left field mafia somewhere. HF seems to at least somewhat care about the game. Daneler or Koshi is a very real possibility. Koshi hasn't really done much since day 1, but meh. + Show Spoiler + Koshi hasn't done anything D2 xcept push and lynch his preferred lynch TW. Sure Palmar. Sure. gtfo ##vote Palmar | ||
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On September 05 2016 20:04 Palmar wrote: Well your lynch was wrong, wasn't it? How about we try it my way now, ok? Did I have any vested interest in objecting to TW's lynch? + Show Spoiler + The fact that I did nothing on D2 is a lie. I probably did the most during D2 xcept maybe Vivax. The fact that we lynched town is true. But has nothing to do with that I did nothing. One might argue that I did nothing valuable. But not that I did nothing. Get your facts straight. Lynch all liars. I am not pushing any lynch D3. HF had his lynch D1 Koshi had his lynch D2 random guy x can have his lynch D3. | ||
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On September 03 2016 06:23 Koshi wrote: I will be adding my vote to the biggest wagon in . | ||
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On September 06 2016 01:54 scott31337 wrote: You know it. Koshi what do you think about Geript or Trfel? Palmar is NOT happening. Come on man. + Show Spoiler + I have been saying Tfrel is mafia since forever. But let it be known I am sheeping you and you are not sheeping me ##unvote ##vote Tfrel | ||
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TT & Scott on Tfrel. Me and my townreads. Maybe there is hope. | ||
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On September 06 2016 05:56 scott31337 wrote: Yayy Koshi's here We're ride or dying with geript it looks like so go ahead and swap Yeah I doubt this is a good lynch. Like... You are following Palmar/HF/Danel... So unless 1 of them is bussing it is already close to impossible for geript to be mafia. But I decided to skip this day so we will see. ##unvote ##vote geript | ||
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##vote tfrel | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote: Did I fuck up? We are all waiting on some awesome fluff tbh | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote: So according to the rules, this game is over :D. But I'm actually not a 100% sure. It's 3-3 after night, so it's over. Right? It's over . Normally host posts the winning team and the obs QT and the scum QT with the endgame post | ||
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 ggwp | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:12 beentheredonethat wrote: + Show Spoiler + So here's some stuff I learned from this game: Role PMs Problem: The VT role PM contained fluff that was different to the in-thread role fluff. Solution: Send fluff in role PMs that is in the OP. OP Organization Problem: The OP contained of multiple posts that required a lot of scrolling to read. Solution: Most important stuff was located at the bottom. Use spoiler tags to hide "common" rules. Put the most important stuff in a post at the very top of the OP. Player Signups Problem: Accepting Race Bannon included a risk of having to modkill him for several reasons. I should not have taken that risk. Solution: Do not allow signups from players that have a risk of damaging the game. Activity Problem: I did not put in an activity requirement as I did not want to wield the ban hammer as a first-time host. The game slowed down rather fast D2 and it was, ironically enough, mainly scum that kept it alive. Solution: Have a harsh activity requirement in future games. Ensure players can and will be active by reviewing /ins more detailed pregame. Really solid hosting. Good job!!! Loved the flavor. Especially the Rels flavor. And all the themed vote count thingies. Or the gif with Vader dancing when we lynched TW. Good stuff. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.gyazo.com/9bef86ac542f52f04a57f5a520571134.jpg) So good. PS: it's this but my picture taking skills are low + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.onskookboek.be/mosselen-koken-in-bier.jpg) | ||
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