Newbie Student Mafia XXII

On July 29 2016 05:22 Grackaroni wrote:

Haha. I think there's actually still room for both of us if my counting skills are to be trusted.

On July 29 2016 02:54 Skynx wrote:
We're both newbs ofc

On July 31 2016 15:04 Race Bannon wrote:
is that good or bad for you?hm?

On July 31 2016 16:19 Race Bannon wrote:
... Ah. somewhere else.
..Than .. the most superfly place to drink beer in the world?1. @ y , ok . Now .

Todsy's topic.

Taste than wine and tell me if it reminds you of your pop or yo momma so fat, she don't need to exist

On July 31 2016 16:32 Race Bannon wrote:
Just stop hugging the fenster uoke? Post more , random vote'? Random question? this is it...
And I love all you guys and you know I'm just plebbin right?

On July 31 2016 16:48 mderg wrote:
Easy game, J Roc, Grackaroni and Race Bannon are the dirty scummers.
Next game pls.

On July 31 2016 17:39 -Celestial- wrote:
I'm at Comic Con all day so don't expect anything until this evening. Apologies.

On July 31 2016 18:53 J Roc wrote:




Fairly certain he is going to spam nonsense as both alignments.

On August 01 2016 01:52 Skynx wrote:

I don't like this actually. Feels like he's just trying to find reason to sr someone.
I mean you don't force some1 into contribute and half the thread was afk anyways. You can ask his opinions befroe he goes away try to spark some activity but voting because he doesnt contribute cuz cba is weak.

On August 01 2016 00:55 Grackaroni wrote:

It is just the LONGEST stream of gibberish that I have ever seen. Celestial is right it looks like Race just got banned for 2 weeks, so a replacement should be on the way.

Based on his play so far I think he was more likely to be town.

On August 01 2016 04:27 J Roc wrote:



Find it interesting that he wants to lynch the spot for reasons other than policy.

On August 01 2016 04:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hey man I would be dead 85% of the time if people went for policy lynches D1.

On August 01 2016 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Ask the other ppl in this game lol. Normally I'm batshit insane but I'm being the super reasonable Moosy right now.

On August 01 2016 05:09 KelsierSC wrote:
game starting again cool. Hi i'm town

On August 01 2016 11:44 -Celestial- wrote:
That'll have to do for tonight I'm afraid. Its nearly four in the morning. My brain was already starting to feel numb about half way through writing that.

On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:

He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us.

On August 01 2016 12:45 -Celestial- wrote:
Still not managed to get to bed yet and its approaching 5. I'm going to just drop off at my desk. But I wanted to reply here anyway.



Thank you, but be careful. Make sure you're reading through what I've said and check that my train of thought makes sense to you before you townread me for it. I won't say its 'easy' (because that damn thing took between one to two hours to write) but its a very 'simple' thing for a scum to simply write a huge post and then hide behind it.

Trust nobody until you've decided they're town from what they've actually said, not just from posting a lot of stuff that reads nicely. I'll be asking myself some very searching questions later on, believe me. (Kudos to whoever gets that reference.)

Here's a useful summary of bussing:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bussing

I think you might be thinking of bandwagonning?




Fair enough, I thought it might be something like that.

On August 02 2016 03:18 Skynx wrote:
Rels should be the lynch I'm afraid. No one really sticks out to me.

On August 02 2016 03:12 beentheredonethat wrote:

This is a post that is absolutely empty and has no content at all.

On August 02 2016 04:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Last game Rels actually did go away for the weekend. It wasn't a scum strategy from him to disappear.

On August 02 2016 03:19 Grackaroni wrote:

Actually why is everyone calling out my post when Lunatic posted a town read on Race Bannon for worse reasons?

On August 02 2016 04:15 Grackaroni wrote:

And this isn't actually accurate either. Lunatic has a scum read on Kelsier for his opening post. I didn't because I didn't think there was anything alignment indicative there. Now somehow the lack of content is somehow falling on me. I won't make reads out of nothing.

However, I've actually posted some pretty good points on Lunatic. The only post I've liked from Luna so far is his Kelsier post where he seemed really confident that Kelsier was mafia.

On August 02 2016 04:50 Grackaroni wrote:

We have two players with long filters for this game skynx/Luna voting for somebody afk.
We have a bunch of other people who have posted close to nothing worth commenting on.

With this in mind, how exactly is your push on me not completely horrible? Now add in the fact that you are unwilling to contribute anything else besides this. Why shouldn't I vote you?

I was going to write something on Lunatic but I'm going to go reread the start of his filter from the last game first.

Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:

mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT

Yep this is the lynch.
All aboard the mderg express. You have to be seated before the departure. Scummates traveling with mderg are not allowed in

On August 02 2016 20:46 Skynx wrote:

Man why 1 thing you say doesn't match the other one in a regular basis?
You assign Grack to Rels, mention previous game and gracks willingness to jump on the train. You then put grack in same line as KSC?
You say btdt has done more for town compared to KSC so he's null and KSC's low tier scum? KSC's entire activity consists of a lazy vote on Race/Scott, I dunno how that is not null and btdt is.
I also dunno how you assign Celestial as top tier town and not Moosy/Stutters cuz they did everything together post flip. Stutters/Celestial were even working together pre-flip.

Moosy's warning is as per game rules, please read them. Voting is the most important thing here.

On August 02 2016 21:26 Skynx wrote:


Well, make sure to read few pages back lol.

Also on bolded, I'm afraid to tell you when trolly players decide to turn the switch on, they absolutely and absolutely have to do it for both alignments otherwise it becomes a strategic weakness on their part and we can meta read them based off of that.

On August 02 2016 21:48 J Roc wrote:


No he has played before, not sure if he has rolled scum before though.

On August 02 2016 22:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:

This is the weird part of the low hanging fruits. There should have been a Mafia on Race Bannon because he was too easy a chance to kill especially when we look at the list of people voting for him:
KSC
mderg
Stutters
btdt
J Roc

KSC is null-town for me right now, mderg flipped town, and Stutters is fairly town. That leaves us with btdt and J Roc and btdt is the more likely. Especially considering he had such shit reason to vote Race Bannon in the first place because he tried to make up a reason to show RB as scummy when the spammy stuff RB was doing was completely NAI. If you look at the final votecount, you see that Grack/silent were on every possible wagon except for the btdt one as well. I'm pretty sure the team is btdt/Grack/silent.

On August 02 2016 22:34 J Roc wrote:



Like what was said earlier leading a day 1 mislynch is more likely to come from town, but like I said rels is capable of doing so as scum in a game he thinks the player list is weak like this one and people will expect him to be town leader.

On August 05 2016 06:36 Rels wrote:

Have you read the thread ?

On August 05 2016 06:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I wouldn't mind a btdt shenannie though jsut because there has to be a Mafia on Race Bannon train and only real viable option is btdt. check my filter for the case I made against him.

On August 05 2016 06:59 silentwarrior wrote:

If you are town, you should post as much as possible, to show us your views.

On August 05 2016 07:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Cool I'm the veteran. L8

On August 05 2016 07:05 Rels wrote:
OK that will get solved at some point.
##Unvote
##Vote BTDT

On August 05 2016 07:07 Lunaticman wrote:


Really your going to believe that?

On August 05 2016 07:08 -Celestial- wrote:


It does kinda align with how he's been so "IDGAF" about the whole game.

More to the point do you want to risk lynching an un-ccd blue?

On August 05 2016 07:10 Rels wrote:


That is 100% wrong. On the contrary. Having an "instant confirmed" button makes it so that you put way less effort into the game.

On August 05 2016 07:15 Rels wrote:

so what
The goal of the game is to lynch SCUM not baddies

On August 05 2016 07:28 silentwarrior wrote:


This is the only thing making me doubt Lunatics blue claim. Plus the fact that he was ready to accept his fate before, knowing he could claim. Shit, I'm not sure of anything right now, but we do have one other lynch, and mafia is obviosly either Lunatic or KSC, so we will atleast get one of them.

On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC



So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.



Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC

Ok, so thought I should give you my general reads on everyone and also a little to clarify my position on Kelsier.

Stutters695:
I'm pretty sure stutters is mafia. He begins with basically calling out Race and wanting to lynch him. A little too easy tbh, but still nothing suspect about that since Race was spamming hard at that point. But then, basically the only thing he does is ask others opinions and adding nothing himself. He then says he would prefer to lynch a lurker, and if not a lurker then grack, for which his reasoning is only 2 sentences. Then goes on to agree with other people and asking questions adding nothing himself. But then, contrary to his position before on lynching a lurker, minutes after celestial votes for me he places his vote on me as well. At this point he hasn't said a word about me at all and the only thing he says about the vote is "this guy gets it" about celestials vote on me. He basically only votes for me because celestials does. That's what it looks like, because he gave no indication that he thought I was mafia before. Certainly not enough to warrant a vote on me. You guys should really take a look at his filter.

Kelsier:
I don't know what to think about him anymore. My first post about him was partly to get him to actually post more so I could get a better read on him. At that time, he didn't want to post because there wasn't anything "good" in thread yet. But then, when thread gets some content he comes in and basically says this game is "terrible" and still won't post anything at all about his views about the game. What possible reason was there to not post then? Or after, because he still hasn't said anthing for a while. Right now I'm leaning scum on him.

Celestial:
I liked his big post. I obviously disagree with him about me but his post definetly shows that he is out to analyze us and hunt mafia. I agree with him on some stuff there. But I think he confuses opinions he dosen't like being equal to mafia. He does this to me, since his main reason against me is that he disagrees with me and that is the reason he votes to lynch me. He also gives people towncred for being against me for the same reason. I'm still leaning town on him though.

Scott/Race: On Race actions, I admit I was wrong. I thought it was just early game posting to get people to talk. But he was just a spammer. On scott however I think he is town. His entry post to me seems very town-like. He immedietly accuses 4 people of scum. To me, mafia are more careful and I can't see them coming in and doing that during first posts. Granted, you can fake being careless, but what reason would mafia have to get on 4 people's bad side for calling them mafia? He is townlean for me.

beentheredonethat:
This guy seems like a newbie to me. People have mentioned his post about lynching Race before replacement, but I don't think it was really that alignment indictive honestly. He seems generally a little clumsy in his posts. His vote on Lunatic didn't have that much content. Mostly it was meta and the fact that lunatic wasn't pushing anyone. He is null to me right now.

I will post more about the rest of the players too, but wanted to get this out here first.
##Unvote
##Vote: Stutters695

On August 06 2016 04:03 -Celestial- wrote:


Next we're lynching Lunatic since he effectively claimed scum with his cc leading to the mislynch.

If you don't lynch Lunatic tomorrow you're pretty much claiming scum yourself.


Also Rels already posted his last will here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25917038

Summary: He wants Lunatic then BTDT. Then between Moosy and J Roc.


Personally I'd rather lynch Lunatic then you. But I'll probably have another look at Rels' argument for reading you town in the next few days. Got plenty of time because we got the rest of this night, then all of D3. Then N3 and only then do we have to actually start deciding where to go next (because we're lynching Lunatic tomorrow, full stop).

On August 06 2016 09:59 -Celestial- wrote:
And apparently nobody's around to talk. Despite the fact one mislynch will kill us and we've just lost Rels. Everyone buggers off.

Great.

On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:


Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.

On August 06 2016 19:41 silentwarrior wrote:


Not that I believe for one second that you are town.

On August 06 2016 19:40 silentwarrior wrote:


Why did you counterclaim a blue though if you are town. That's the stupidest thing you can do, I even said so that day.

On August 07 2016 00:11 -Celestial- wrote:
Yeah, no. Sorry Lunatic but there is virtually no way you are town here. After that play you're not getting anything but scumread especially considering said play wiped out the last mislynch chance we had and killed an actual blue.

There is probably somewhere south of a 1% chance of you actually being town here. And that's being VERY generous. You're an auto-target at this point.


On a side note I'd like to point out that scott is still nowhere to be seen. With a filter consisting of literally of around two dozen posts in the entire game. And in the last eight posts he's said no less than three times he is going to give some reads or be around for discussion or whatever. And then just hasn't.



After which he made two posts, which are frankly stretching the definition of "discuss". One going "nice find" to the vote-count thing Moosy led me to. The other asking Rels if he's "run out of energy".

Then:


This was the car accident post. So its a bit more understandable that he doesn't follow up on this when he said he would.

Then a post about how he's skimmed the thread and will leave a vote.

Then:


That was twenty hours ago, so rapidly approaching a full day, with no follow up. Not even a "whoops I didn't get time".


I'd like to reiterate that scott is doing literally jack all, his earlier posts are questionable at BEST, and despite all of that people are heavily townreading him for that and some vote indicators.

But I've been banging this drum for a while now and a bunch of people are flat out ignoring it, yet are apparently totally unable to explain it away. Wake the hell up, everyone.

On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Hey so I'm in. Day was pretty great. Really interesting panel with Warwick Davis answering questions, spent far too much money on a Viking drinking horn, chatted to a guy in a Deadpool costume wearing a maid uniform, just the usual convention things.

So...the game. I'm going to post thoughts on everyone anyway, despite Race's chaos. I'm not as happy with this as I'd like to be but eh...

Lunaticman - Thing about lynching Grac because of a previous game is NAI as far as I'm concerned. Just salt. Don't particularly like the assumption of Race being town based on the spamming but honestly I don't think it even matters. It was just a massive disruption to the game all told. This line indicates to me that they're not on the mafia team together:



Even though this is perfectly true it's not something I think you would say about a fellow mafia member so early on. You wouldn't want to undermine their credibility (even if Race was doing a more than good enough job doing that himself). This isn't to say that Lunatic or Race/scott isn't mafia, but a Lunatic/(Race/scott)/x team is unlikely in my eyes based on that post alone, which is a potentially useful bit of information going forward.

I actually really like Lunatic's reply to Skynx:



Lunatic is town leaning a little from this in my eyes (unless we want to go tinfoil hat and assume they're both mafia and are playing a VERY aggressive game together). If they're both mafia then he doesn't do this so early because you're starting to put yourself too close to a teammate too early on before anyone is being townread and before you see where the game is going. If Lunatic is mafia and Skynx isn't then I think you be a bit more buddy-buddy about the "hey we agree on this!" thing.

Questioning Grack about that kinda weird thing on Race is good. From there on seems to be asking genuinely useful probing questions. Trying to get a game going despite everything that's happened. All good stuff.


silentwarrior - The focus on Kelsier is really, really weird. Like...to me Kelsier was clearly just sick and fed up of what Race was doing. Hell if I'd not been out all day I'd probably have felt the same way if I'd been looking forward to getting the game going. It's totally NAI that he felt like that. But silent went ham on it. He's right that avoiding posting and waiting for others is kinda scummy, but there was practically nothing to go on and Race was just messing up the thread with garbage.

Maybe I sympathise with Kelsier a bit here because every game so far I've liked to hold back a bit at the beginning so I could get a decent read post off as my first major contribution. I like having a starting point for myself, see.

silent then calls out Race for the spam. But it was the easiest call-out in the world because of the overwhelming amount of garbage. ANYONE calls this out. As any alignment. Regardless of the alignment of Race. Even in the one circumstance that you don't really want to call someone out for it (i.e. being on the same Mafia team) you still call this out because if someone on a scum team with you is doing that kind of something you bus them hard because they're not helping at all.

I don't entirely dislike silent's reasoning on the Kelsier vote but it's still reaching incredibly far. Kelsier's actions weren't unreasonable given the circumstances, even if they were a bit scummy. I could easily see a town doing exactly the same things.

Shady. Do not like. Just going ham on Kelsier and looking at literally nobody else.


beentheredonethat - Claimed he was going to wreck people. Then said we should kill Race "before the replacement". That's an incredibly scummy thing to do as far as I'm concerned. Then made a joke with Moosy. That is literally the entire content of his filter, three posts since his confirm. Very dodgy.


MoosyDoosy - Said to ignore Race. It's a fair point to make. It gets a bit weirder later on though. He says he's not fond of D1 policy lynches which is a fair point too and a position I can agree with (though I'd still have totally policied Race for that utter nonsense, it was really getting on my nerves). Then claims he was pretty sure Race was town, then says it'll become more apparent with the next person. Then talks about how Race's spam was pointless.

You know...if I want to go REALLY tinfoil hat here I could almost say Moosy is protecting Race here by playing down the importance of that insanity. The fact that he's replying to a joke about him being scum by saying it's a good read would be one hell of a mind game tactic if you actually were scum.

All of Moosy's posts actually make a lot of sense to me and I can see where they're all coming from. But there's just something here that makes me very uncomfortable.


Race Bannonscott31337 - Oh god where to start...you know I'm going to just totally discount all of Race's stuff right now. I MIGHT go back to it at some point just in case there's literally anything in there to be used but right now from a brief look I can't pick out much that's even coherent, let alone useful.

Which leaves me with scott. His http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511961-newbie-student-mafia-xxii?page=14#268 ]first post is actually really, really cute. I can't draw any useful alignment information on it because it basically amounts to a town claim, which anyone would do. Though I think he might actually have a bit of a point.

Good point on BTDT. Totally disagree on silent. Agree with the thing about that particular J Roc post. Again really dislike his position on silent.

Can't do much with scott right now. Race's stuff is totally useless in this too. I'm really not sure I like the buddying with silent but that might just be because we seem to disagree on silent; someone buddying with someone you're scum leaning on is always going to feel bad. On the other hand his posts seem sincere.


Stutters695 - Said wouldn't be about much because of birthday. Isn't about much. Totally fair enough imo.

Fed up with Race, like a lot of people. NAI.

Really good point in reply to Moosy. I find him pointing out that Race is actually capable of being coherent, he just isn't, quite a towny thing to do. Because it comes from a mentality of wanting the game to actually go somewhere.

I also like the calling out of Grack claiming that Race was probably town. And challenging the reply. I'd like to see more tomorrow but all I've seen here so far is coming from a town mentality.


J Roc - The whole blue claim thing earlier came across as quite silly honestly. Responding rather flippantly to posts, though quite amusingly admittedly. Early stuff is a bunch of nothing, don't like.

But then calls out silent for that post of his that I found awful as well. Asks Race to comment on the Kelsier vote. And points out the really weird BTDT post. Like this bit. On balance probably more townie than not.


Mderg - Pretty funny first post I have to admit. Also calls out silent for his Kelsier stuff. Also called to kill off Race, frustration apparent. Piggy-backing off Skynx's post comment on silent but he previously called out silent and I can't disagree with Skynx's post so I don't think it's a case of buddying up. Kinda weird post calling out Lunatic for saying 'bus'; although he's perfectly right in the specifics I don't really get any maliciousness from Lunatic's post he's quoting. Frankly I think this is an overreaction to Lunatic's post given that Lunatic probably just misspoke.

Also told Kelsier he should get in the game. That's fine I guess.

Nothing particularly special to make mderg either way here honestly. I want to see more. He's not posted since the replacement.


KelsierSC - Done hardly anything so far. Kinda a fair point for a big chunk of it because of frustration over Race but since the sub still hasn't done a lot. Lunatic called him out a bit and the reply was literally just 'good for you'. Then he called the game terrible. Then say Skynx is okay but doesn't like anyone else.

On the one hand the lurking and seemingly not playing is kinda scummy. On the other hand I don't think mafia is so damn flippant about it. Null


Skynx - Did absolutely jack all until Race got banned honestly. But I like his thoughts on silent's post when Grack asked for them. And he was spot-on with the comment to BTDT too. Kinda like. Would not lynch today.


Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:



No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.


Rels - Literally done absolutely nothing since the game started. -_-


So right now my things look something like this:
Town lean - Stutters695, J Roc, Lunaticman, Skynx
Null - Moosy, scott, mderg, KelsierSC, Rels
Scum lean - silentwarrior, beentheredonethat (unless he gives a good reply about 'that one post'), Grack

Questions for people!

silent: more thoughts, if you please, on someone other than Kelsier. You're tunnelling hard here and the only comment you've made about anyone else is complaining about Race's spamming.

beentheredonethat: do something. Literally anything. Call someone scum. Call someone town. Ask a question of someone. Whatever. Also I'd like some thoughts about where you were coming from with that godawful call to lynch Race "before" a replacement.

mderg: thoughts now that scott has replaced Race then, given that the last thing you seemed to want to do was lynch Race?

KelsierSC: as for BTDT. Please do something, anything. What do you like about Skynx, for example? Though I sort of assume it's probably the same things I like so I guess that won't really get us anywhere...

Rels: same as BTDT. But bigger: DO SOMETHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING.

scott: Bit more specific question that I'm curious about. You posted this:



When you were saying about RB being town and looking into who voted for him. I know this is only the people who actively voted for him but I expressed in thread that I'd probably be up with plynching him given the nonsense going on. Any particular reason I'm being left off your potential scum list? Or is it just my relative lack of filter and the fact I didn't actually get around to voting due to being out most of the day which made you miss it?

On August 07 2016 06:53 J Roc wrote:
Have free time this evening after dota battle cup. Will do stuff I promise

On August 10 2016 21:00 silentwarrior wrote:


Btdt would probably have won, but Moosy would probably have been lynched D4 anyway. He was my biggest scumread by a big margin at that point. Also, find it funny you wanted me modkilled in obv when I did nothing wrong.

On August 11 2016 04:51 silentwarrior wrote:


Yeah, but I didn't do anything wrong, mods did. It dosen't make sense to punish me then. Also, Moosy should actually have been modkilled D1, but mods went easy on him. It was his own fault he got modkilled.

On August 11 2016 17:24 Rels wrote:

I had to shoot him. He duelled me. PEW PEW
I agree it was an objectively bad shot BUT I would have shot silent if not Grack. And silent went on to become super townie during D2, then modconfirmed just before deadline. So it's probably better I murdered Grack than shot a guy that would become a confirmed town later.

On August 11 2016 17:52 Rels wrote:
I played laid back D1 because I was vig, so I would be confirmed town D2 and I didn't want to risk being killed + roleblocked N1 by being super townie. So that's why people could scumread me. After N1 ended I was unlynchable.

On August 11 2016 19:25 Rels wrote:

The point is that I wouldn't have AFKd 46 hours of D1 if I was VT. But even if I did that, I disagree that lynching me was going to be an easy thing to do, especially since you didn't have time D2.

You're going about this the wrong way about this: just because people thought Grack and I were super scummy during D1 doesn't mean that one of us was going to be the lynch D2 (assuming we were both VT and alive D2). A mafia game just doesn't work like that. As scum, you shouldn't be stuck on one path to victory. It's an easy (and normal) mistake to make.
Imagine if Grack and I became super townie D2. The mistake you could have made, seeing your posts, if that you continue to tunnel the both of us all day, showing a scum mentality: townies look for scum and WILL re evaluate a lot over the course of the game; it's almost impossible for a townie to be 100% right D1/N1. Scum have a tendency to think a lot more about who they want to push, decide who is the perfect lynch, and get stuck with their reads. It's a mistake a lot of newbies (and vet actually) scum make.

So no, just because you had killer cases on Grack / I N1 doesn't mean you would have mislynched the both of us starting D2. It's possible that you would have made it work; but it's also possible that you would become obvious scum incapable of re evaluating in the face of new evidences.