Newbie Student Mafia XXII

On July 29 2016 05:08 Rels wrote:
/in:open
Taking Grack's spot if he cannot play p:

On July 30 2016 07:03 Shapelog wrote:


...
I do....
Wow...

This is strange.

On July 31 2016 08:12 J Roc wrote:
##DayVig Grackaroni

He was the first to post. Means he got his role PM. Now he is dead.

On July 31 2016 08:27 Race Bannon wrote:
Define imigrants. Are we not everywhere, were it not for thenspiders de, scattered in equal concentration

On July 30 2016 05:14 KelsierSC wrote:
going on a wine run if game is starting today,

anyone need anything then holla at me dawg

On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:


Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town.

On August 01 2016 00:50 Stutters695 wrote:

Can I get a tldr?

Gonna lynch him?

On August 01 2016 00:56 Stutters695 wrote:

Explain

On July 31 2016 19:39 silentwarrior wrote:
Hi guys, this is my second game on TL. I play mostly irl mafia, but wanted to try this again, first game ended too quick. Ok, so about Race Bannon. He posted a lot in the beginning when not many else did, which is good as it helps town discussion. Granted, most of it was nonsense but he is atleast posting. Don't think he should continue with it later though.

But what I wanted to focus on was KelsierSC



So, his first post he says that this is stupid and is gonna not post anything until the evening when something "reasonable" has been posted. But why not post yourself? Maybe say something reasonable yourself. Going away for hours without posting does not help us.



Then this, where he votes for Race Bannon (which is not what I have a problem with), but then states "See you all in a few days". Again, stating his intention to not post.
I think not wanting to post and waiting for others seems like something scum would do.
##vote Kelsier SC

On August 01 2016 01:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Ok, I'll be back on tonight. I'd like to see some opinions on this post:

On August 01 2016 06:00 mderg wrote:

Why are you talking about a bus attempt? Do you know Race Bannon's alignment?

On August 01 2016 06:25 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh this game is just terrible

On August 01 2016 08:26 Grackaroni wrote:

Why are you being crotchety? Come play the game and it will be less terrible.

On August 01 2016 09:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Skynx seems ok . Everyone else is kind of irritating to read

On August 01 2016 11:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Grackaroni - Has a lengthier filter than most but there's honestly not a lot in it. The stuff pre-Race ban is a bunch of nothing. I don't like all this "Race is probably town" based off the utter garbage Race was serving up. Also I feel like the whole "Mafia plays subdued" thing is honestly pretty leading. I don't think this is necessarily a safe assumption at all, but he seems quite happy to push town down that way of thinking.

I like that he brings up silent's post but I don't like that he doesn't want to post his own thoughts before getting other people's. I also don't like that he disagrees with it but just dismisses it as 'reasoning a new town player would make' whilst simultaneously setting up to call anyone who calls silent scum, scum themselves. Then calling up people who were calling on silent, despite the fact that he's admitted that he disagrees with silent himself...he just doesn't find him particularly scummy for it.

This is a kind of weird mentality...you agree that you don't like the thoughts in silent's post...but they're scummy for feeling that it might make silent scummy?

I got split feelings on the three he calls most towny. So I guess I can't do much with this.

However I have huge issues with this bit:



No. Mderg wanted to policy lynch Race, because he was screwing up the thread. Mderg hasn't commented AT ALL on scott himself because he's not been in thread since then. This is pretty deceptive stuff from Grack imo. I don't like it when people try to slip things like that under the radar. Scum lean.
The defence on Lunatic is NAI because its exactly what I thought. Asking Kelsier to play is fine and complaining about him complaining is also fine but nothing special. Asks for a lynch target from Kelsier. NAI, anyone would want more info from Kelsier at this stage no matter their alignment or Kelsier's.

On August 01 2016 13:41 DCWasabi wrote:
Can somebody point me in the direction of the obs QT please, I can't find it, lol.

On August 01 2016 14:51 Skynx wrote:

He asked for people's opinions, I gave one, how's that being sceptical of anyone? Also previous games shouldn't have an effect on how you approach people if they are not massive trolls. If you feel like you have such a good feel in his playstyle after 1 game and can meta read him based off of that 24h into a new game please inform us.

On August 01 2016 17:40 mderg wrote:

I didn't push lunatic, I was just hoping my post would start some discussion while I'm away.

That makes it 2 "town slots" I've pushed. I really can't see what you like about either of them. I actually dislike scott's posts more than I did Race Bannon's (alignment wise).

On August 01 2016 20:30 J Roc wrote:
Just something real quick and I will be back later.

I really hated scotts entrance.

Race Bannons actions completely null and the fact that he came in here saying he knew RB was town from a obs point of view is really off to me.

Also the dude who wrote the huge post. You have pocketed me. Well played. Not voting you.

Ill be back later.

##Vote: Scott

On August 01 2016 22:05 -Celestial- wrote:


Perhaps. But Race seemed to be in a place where he'd do that as either alignment, especially given the banning. And I don't think its necessarily a safe bet to always assume mafia is going to be more passive.




Hah, sorry, I think you're misunderstanding where I'm going a little bit. That's on me, I didn't explain very well.

My point was that there's a difference between saying that you disagree with someone's points and yet townread them for it and implying people are scummy for not doing so. On reflection I think I might have read more into this particular quote than you had intended, I got the impression you were throwing shade on people for it, so apologies about that:





It was just more the fact that you asked for opinions before putting your own opinion, which meant nobody could comment on your opinion whilst doing so. *shrug*




The fact that you were highlighting him pushing on scott, yet he hasn't even addressed scott himself. He just wanted rid of Race because of the spamming. I don't think its a very fair claim to make given the circumstances and came across a little as trying to make him look worse with a reasoning that doesn't hold up particularly well.




You're probably right. The issue right now is that there's not a lot of 'events' to draw conclusions from so I'm just working with what's there. :-\


Legitimately dunno who to lynch right now honestly which is really bad with so little time remaining. I'm finding it interesting that people are hating on scott's posts so much right now. I'm not liking his position on silent but apart from that I'm not seeing anything obviously problematic. Can anyone go over their reasonings on that?

On August 01 2016 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:


Slight issue is that's totally unreasonable. He was completely capable of producing readable content as both alignments in previous games. This is probably an attempt to shift his meta, although it's almost inconsequential because it is incredibly anti-town.

On August 02 2016 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Yes.


So you're scumreading scott because he's scumreading btdt for making a shit post?

On August 02 2016 00:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
For example, say I pose the question, throw shade on mderg through the process, but don't do anything with it for the rest of this day or for some time. After time passed, you bring it up and say "hey, this might be a sign of mafia asking questions for the sake of asking questions to appear like an active and engaged player" and then you can put pressure on me that way. And you can wait and see the answer that mderg gives and draw reads from it. As it is, you put me on high alert if I'm Mafia, you give mderg wiggle room if he's Mafia because you're putting pressure on me through the process, and generally messing with the line of questioning.

On August 02 2016 01:51 mderg wrote:

The scumread itself is not my issue with scott. I'll try to explain it again.

btdt's post basically had a big sign with "That's bad for town" attached to it. Scott scumread him for that,nothing wrong with that, though a bit superficial.
Then he also townread J Roc for voicing the same concerns about the post with the big sign. Calling out such a post is really not a reason for townreading somebody.
He also liked silentwarrior's post about Kelsier. Kelsier carrying a huge sign saying "anti town".

That's just way too superficial for me. There's no effort to really figure people out in there, just focusing on single posts with imo very little value. It's like he's following a simple line of seeing a obviouslybad post -> seeing people calling those posts out -> townreading those people. I'd expect a townie to put a bit more thought into it than that.

On August 01 2016 22:56 Skynx wrote:

So this is a valid point, Grack's post is very out of order at that point, like what is your point? I agree, Race's spam is most definitely NAI cuz he does same shit even as host lol.
So why not just push it further? You caught something but not putting your ass on the line and pushing people. If you leave this just like that it's so bad.

On August 02 2016 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack, who is your biggest scumread and why?

On August 02 2016 02:35 Stutters695 wrote:


So not a single one of us sticks out above another to you?

On August 02 2016 03:11 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as actives go, Grack definitely seems like the best lynch. His thought process doesn't flow with a townie trying to find scum, yet he had been making substantially more effort for being so iffy about the game.

On July 31 2016 18:18 Lunaticman wrote:
I'm just going to assume Bannon is town because of the excessive posting. He is doing the exact same thing I did last game only as a incomprehensible mess.

On August 02 2016 03:18 Skynx wrote:
Rels should be the lynch I'm afraid. No one really sticks out to me.

On August 01 2016 12:11 Lunaticman wrote:


First I just want to say what an incredible post, I love it!

Also no mafia would ever write a post that is so coherent so you are the best town lean in the game for me atm.

Tbh I didnt even realize rels was in the game, my god bring out another salt shacker for me lol.

Yeah also I think I misunderstood the term bussing, I think I was thinking of like a train? When someone stacks votes on a player. I dont know the proper terminology for it.

Be back in a couple of hours from work.

On August 01 2016 18:40 Lunaticman wrote:


That's what I did I must say I think he played brilliantly last game so of course I put him under the spotlight. I think he is probably town since it feels like he's intention is to solve the game atm. But he already fooled me once so we will have to wait and see I suppose.

On August 02 2016 03:29 Stutters695 wrote:

You have two pages of filter, but not a single lynch candidate. What are you making an effort towards, because it doesn't seem to be finding scum.

On August 02 2016 03:51 Skynx wrote:
Anyway 1st things 1st, mderg, stutters, KSC and jroc pls move away from Scott there is no way he is scum, thank you.

On August 02 2016 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yep. Which makes him scummy even more. Fine with both.

On August 02 2016 03:55 Stutters695 wrote:


OMGUS lol.

Anyway, let's start small. Would you rather lynch a lurker or someone active?

On August 02 2016 03:59 beentheredonethat wrote:

"Fine with both" means "Fine with Lunatic or Greck being the lynch."

Elaborating: I agree with Skynx' posts on the "not tvtt" scenario. While he thinks its not so likely anymore (or at least that's how I interpret his post) I still think it holds up and you're the scum in the tvst scenario. Your posts are so lackluster in terms of actual content and I absolutely do not like that. Who are your top scum reads? Why?

On August 02 2016 04:00 Skynx wrote:

1: RB kept trolling when roles piled up on him. While scum may not panic sometimes, he definitely didn't look like he gave two fucks if he died right then.
2: Scott had a nice entry
3: You guys are just voting to shut him up, now regardless of alignment its a different player who is at least putting effor in the game.

On August 02 2016 04:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack is 75% likely to be scum. He has no actual reads and when he does vote someone, it's never from demonstrating a scum mindset.

I'm not sold on lunatic. He's had a hard time establishing reads, but that's more expected from a new player.

On August 02 2016 04:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Grack is 75% likely to be scum. He has no actual reads and when he does vote someone, it's never from demonstrating a scum mindset.

I'm not sold on lunatic. He's had a hard time establishing reads, but that's more expected from a new player.

On August 02 2016 04:21 Lunaticman wrote:


Also I said early that I would try to post less to appease some of the other players. If you are going that route we should lynch rels.

On August 02 2016 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
As far as I can tell your only real point against him is he's not super active and didn't comment on celestial's post regarding you. He did say he was leaning town on you which implies he at least disagreed with it.

He might be scum but your points are a stretch, it'll become more apparent in time and I'm not convinced enough to lynch him over someone who is barely posting when that's half the game.

On August 02 2016 04:55 Lunaticman wrote:


I don't get why you get to call me out on my previous games but I can't do it to rels or you, thats super scummy. And also why am I scummy for not posting "enough" while you say I have the longest filter with skynx. What is your read on skynx anyway?

I'm might just flip the thread before I sleep.

On August 02 2016 05:13 Stutters695 wrote:


I'm done with pushing you until after the lynch. Downside to missing most of d1 and not having the time to throw up a large post from mobile.

On August 02 2016 06:56 Stutters695 wrote:

Neither of us are getting lynched today, so let's focus on determining who is the best lynch. We have one hour until the lynch. I don't doubt my read, but I don't have the thread presence to make this happen.

What did you think about silent's return post and voting for me?

On August 02 2016 07:15 Stutters695 wrote:


It shows either a general lack of disinterest(not following along) or an inability to make actual reads.
1) blatant misunderstanding/misrepresentation in his case on me.

2) his point on Scott again shows how little attention he is actually paying. He didn't immediately accuse 4 people of being scum, he said he'd expect to find scum on the wagon and would thus look into them.

3) his scum reads don't show a lot of thought in them while his town reads do. When I first rolled mafia it was incredibly hard to give scum reads with any sort of genuine belief when you know they're town. Bussing and town reads are much easier to give. I'm getting those vibes hard from his comeback post and his lynch gives much more info than a lynch on mderg.

On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:

mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT

On August 02 2016 07:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Scum doesn't hammer themselves. Just saying.

On August 02 2016 07:54 mderg wrote:

Why else would I change my vote to silent other than staying alive. I'm not stupid enough to play the "I'm hammering myself" card

On August 02 2016 07:56 Stutters695 wrote:

Scum also have a tendency to think things through a bit more than town.

On August 02 2016 08:14 J Roc wrote:



I am mobile with shit internet. When I was typing out my vote it was 3-3 by time it was posted silent voted mderg and mderg unvoted.

After I voted in cote thread I came here and said what I did. Internet made another delay and I posted after deadline

On August 02 2016 11:33 J Roc wrote:



Oh so you are scum. Cool. Nothing to refute or anything.

Next time just post baby seals.

On August 02 2016 11:39 Stutters695 wrote:
What was your last scum game grack?

On August 02 2016 10:51 Stutters695 wrote:
Going to get my thoughts out there so people can argue them in case I get shot tonight. My main two scum reads first.

Grack: Looks pretty bad from the day in general. Even worse after the flip. Doing a re-read as I post this.


#234 - it's weird that he has a town read on RB, but null.

#237- Want to note his "mafia play more subdued" comment.

Moving on.


+ Show Spoiler +

This post bothers me. At best this is lazy scumhunting when he should know better. This post lacks any justification into why scum mderg would push those people, just that he should be lynched for having different reads.

#326 slight positive for calling out skynx, petty easy thing to see and no real follow-up to be found.

+ Show Spoiler +

Has dropped Mderg without any new scumreads of merit or even real suspicion.

#358 His case is built on Btdt's case while only contributing that L didn't comment on C's point against grack, however in the quote L thinks he "is probably town" in direct contrast to C's scum lean.

Followed by some omgus on me, but I consider that pretty null.


Now onto crunch time:

Says he's going to re-read Lunas filter from a previous game.
OMGUS vote on me with no actual intent to push me.
Doesn't follow up on the Luna meta read.

Sheeps Rels on Mderg. Again, nothing original.

+ Show Spoiler +

This post especially bothers me. He doesn't acknowledge the clear distinction between a plynch and normal vote which is especially odd considering I was his vote before sheeping Rels.

Second point again is wrong. Just soft defending.

Although I disagree, I can understand the third point as a difference in philosophy. I'd recommend reading Ver's analysis because what I'm accusing Silent of is strikingly similar to what Grack is doing.

The post as a whole comes off as a soft defense of Silent, which looks bad with what happens after. Again to emphasize, he is not contributing to finding scum, but softing town reads and slight pushes for non-indicative things . One might even say it's subdued play.

Not spoilering these because they're the most important.



Pre-flip associations that accomplish nothing. It's also worth noting how he's just on board with a town Rels with essentially no doubt despite Rels just showing up.

He does backtrack on the associations in his next post, rendering this null, but still a lack of any real contribution.

With 3 minutes remaining, he finally accepts C and my argument that scum more than likely wouldn't vote how Mderg did, but he "waited too long for shennys" then apologizes to Mderg. It comes off as him being very worried of his appearance after the flip.

This dude scum. I'll check his meta tomorrow, but to be frank, I don't think it's even needed.

On August 02 2016 08:09 -Celestial- wrote:
*slow clap*

How about that mderg/Celestial/Stutters scum team guys? They're looking really twitchy and defending him really hard! *facepalm*

On August 02 2016 11:18 -Celestial- wrote:
Also in fact in every case Grack would make a change and then silent would follow that change.

Kelsier - Grack at 01:51, silent ~10 hours later
Stutters - Grack at 19:57, silent ~2 hours later
mderg - Grack at 22:30, silent an hour later

On October 06 2014 13:00 Alakaslam wrote:
NOW WE START

YOU JUMPEE GUN YOU DID

On October 06 2014 13:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Ssup mijos

I am back

I am nobody special

On August 02 2016 12:35 -Celestial- wrote:
But what? Moosy apparently spotted something on you and silent in the votes and drew attention to it and I wrote it down? What about it?


Also:


I brought up a possible shenanie target a solid 27 minutes before EoD.

I then again brought up the possibility of shenanies onto either myself or KSC thirteen minutes before EoD.

Stop trying to pretend that nobody had starting looking into it before it was too late when its easily proven to be a lie.

Nobody expressed real interest. In either. Until mderg said about it eight minutes before deadline. Both were with plenty of time for anyone to start saying "alright, I'd be up for that". I didn't start any actual movement myself because at that point I was sitting on the next-highest wagon in the hopes there was a chance to still save mderg.

On October 07 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Hello Bamcis chef of the east side of the west.

You said I was skummi earlier with no reasons

I wants your reezinz

On August 02 2016 12:57 -Celestial- wrote:


This is utter nonsense. Because one is based on feelings and one is based off some cold, hard facts.

Your squirming theory was based on an unflipped association read between three people. All of whom, by your own pointing out, were on the same wagon (a damn risky thing for mafia to do, even to save one of their own, safest thing would have been to have one bus late on). And one of whom actually managed to hammer himself and is now confirmed town after being lynched. It had zero basis on any actual evidence and has been shown to be rubbish because mderg is confirmed to be not mafia.

On the other hand the thing Moosy pointed out (and I've detailed above) is based on actual, verifiable votes made. Not wild guesses based on future flips. It is a FACT that the two of you were consistently on votes with each other around the same time. It is also a FACT that silent consistently followed you onto the votes. I'm going to look through filters tomorrow properly to see the excuses given for the vote changes; but the fact that those events actually happened cannot be disputed and it looks dodgy as hell.

On August 02 2016 13:14 -Celestial- wrote:


Its a poor strategy. But silent is a newbie. So anything is possible.




Your "feels were reals"?

Wait...you still thing mderg could be part of a me/Stutters/mderg scumteam? Despite him flipping town already? You what?




They're not the same thing. Because I had no 'theories' in the post you quoted. I was simply expressing facts that Moosy drew my attention to. It is a FACT that that voting pattern happened. And you're trying really far, far too hard to dismiss this.

My ACTUAL theories, meanwhile, I have already just quoted above as being totally wild, unsubstantiated guesses. Proudly self-admittedly so. Though I'll probably have a dig about tomorrow to see if any posts fit either pattern.

On August 02 2016 13:46 Stutters695 wrote:
@Grack

I'll concede 358, that was a pretty convoluted point and honestly fairly inconsequential. Made more sense as I was typing it.

I didn't push your lynch because we had like an hour and a half until the lynch and I didn't have the clout to get it to go through. Last thing we needed was to shit up the thread more.

The plynch vs actual push is the crux of what's wrong with silent's vote on me. His return/vote on me was before I had him as anything other than a policy lynch. Of course I hadn't mentioned him because there was nothing to mention. He was mia and needed to post.

Yet, despite your admitted lack of trust in your own reads and your willingness to sheep someone of whom you had no idea their alignment, you defended Silent. Then when you apologized to mderg (implying at least a slight town read at that point) you could have switched to silent, which would have put him in the lead over mderg. Why not do that?

This doesn't add up.

On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm kind of tempted to shennany but I waited too long.

On August 02 2016 07:58 mderg wrote:
No shenannies happening?

On August 02 2016 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Sorry Mderg.

On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:

I like this list.

On January 26 2014 11:20 Alakaslam wrote:
I am who I am! But I am not who I was! But I was similar to who I am! Am I worth your time?

On January 26 2014 09:47 Alakaslam wrote:
Grackaroni

Have you knowledge of the ways of KASLIZM? Many fish! What for to say when shall it be caught?

On August 02 2016 06:03 Rels wrote:
Scum team is very likely to be in this pool:

mderg
Celestial / KSC / Stutters
BTDT

On August 02 2016 22:13 Rels wrote:

I like this list.

On August 03 2016 02:24 Rels wrote:
I have trouble following you. I am allowed to change my reads after leading a mislynch right ? What is suspicious here ?

On August 03 2016 02:35 Rels wrote:

Where am I portraying anything ? My only post tonight has been "I like this list"

On August 03 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:

You don't know what I'm basing my reads on.
This reaction is waaaaay too over the top to be townie. I say I like ONE post with ONE list with your name as scum on it, and you've said all of this. But it is based on nothing since I didn't say anything.
O
M
G
U
S
This is what you're doing. And this is scum indicative.

On January 26 2014 23:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Ah, HIJOLE! I am being slandered

I Dinnae say that!
....

Yet not sure I want to out those who Dinnae read what I Dinnae say that they say I said but to for to LaL, I don't know!!!

On August 03 2016 02:57 Rels wrote:

I don't believe you can really believe this to be true.
Skynx makes a list with you on it and other people => you're OK with it.
I say I like the list => you scumread me.
It doesn't make any sense.

On August 03 2016 03:00 Rels wrote:

Bullshit.
Nowhere in your two posts did this ever pop up as a reason to scumread me and not scumread Skynx.

On August 03 2016 03:12 Rels wrote:
So your argument is: Skynx makes a mafia list of dudes that voted for silent. Rels says it's a good list. Since there is nothing fishy about how the votes went down yesterday, Rels is scum fishing for some easy targets.

On August 03 2016 03:22 Rels wrote:

Why ? Who were you scumreading between the mderg lynch and the scumread on me ? Who would you expect me to scumread and for what reasons ?

On August 01 2016 05:38 Lunaticman wrote:


So are you having regrets about something? Your first posts really didn't put you in a good position becauset they were a super lame buss attempt on a "policy lynch" (however I don't think many would disagree on it), I would consider this was more of a towny mistake than anything but if I was town I wouldn't go back on what I said like that without an explination something like:

"hey I messed that one up and thought he was super annoying". No intead you were like "Hi I'm town".

It's like your just trying to hide what you previously stated. I would definatly not have a problem lynching you for your posting behaviour tbh.

On December 08 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
You see not with the eyes of chupazi

his words must all be original

Khazad-Summachin qua tua sikh Malahanarizanichuu pi onb jiaan chaldiss phor. Phait janfini po zu tre qua minina zoot!

On August 03 2016 03:25 Rels wrote:
You had no scumreads all night apart from the one on me. You had two townreads that we share. So I don'tr understand why this is a reason to scumread me:
"My argument is that day one you seemed to be reading the game in a similar way that I was. Day 2 you moved with the thread sentiment for what looks like reasons that I don't believe you would actually read as scum indicative. (being on the mderg lynch)"
ESPECIALLY since we mislynched, so it's normal reads evolve, and ESPECIALLY since you've said your reads were also going to change entirely.

On August 03 2016 09:19 -Celestial- wrote:
...is this a never-ending night or something?

Are we supposed to have stopped talking now? I thought deadline was like an hour twenty ago. There hasn't even been a message to tell everyone to stop talking.