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Shape might be mafia though, but I'm lynching him later if he at least TRIES to be his cool town self. I'm not caught up but my 2 cent to rush into the discussion. | ||
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On July 12 2016 22:46 Shapelog wrote: ? Your not caught up, yet you somehow have something on me, when I just posted my first post 4 mins ago? I'm caught up on you not the thread. | ||
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On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: [/b]Good Morning Everyone, I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share. Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town. DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment. [green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying. For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views? | ||
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On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor? This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to. Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scumin the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think. | ||
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On July 13 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: It not exactly outside of Damdred's scum wheel box yet I do need a little bit more time with him. I don't think anything you done is outside of your mafia wheel house atm I do need a little bit of time to figure you out. The KSC read on you were stuff you done last game hence my comment about KSC haven't read your last game. Wut. The KSC read was about Damdys convo with emc. I think this is mafia LS, too many nervous posts + he's making stuff up here imo. | ||
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I already wondered what damdreds last game had to do with anything kelsier said earlier: + Show Spoiler + This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to. Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scum in the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think. Now you claim Kelsier said anything about Damdreds last games as a justification towards Damdred cause he's asking you why you spread doubts about him. Ezpz | ||
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On July 13 2016 01:24 emperorchampion wrote: @ Vivax: what do you make of this LS post where he answers his own question? Maybe it's nothing but it feels weird to me The only thing that felt weird to me is that I gave him a reason to reevaluate his KSC read but when I asked him about it he said he was still null based on a post made before mine. That would be one more reason why I think he is mafia. He could agree or disagree but just pointing to an earlier post without an opinion on mine shows he's not really forming reads. | ||
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On July 13 2016 01:41 Damdred wrote: Shape should of never killed ls in storm rip. Anyway, I missed you shape it had been so long since we had been together I thought my hi would of conveyed the depth of my emotion to you. As for this ls vs thread hit fight, idk. It sort of is nai he can do it either way. I have a couple problems with ls though, the general attitude towards me/fear mongering when I think my content/activity far outstrips where I have been in any of my scum games. His approach to the end also bugs me and he feels like he flailing now a bit. I have two decent arguments for him being mafia, please don't cover him just cause you're friends and give an honest opinion, or at least have the decency to tell me why I should be wrong. | ||
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On July 13 2016 03:09 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't call you town I just said I was going to ignore you. On July 13 2016 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I am mostly relaxed because Vivax is probably one of the worst players in terms of keeping the same reads over a period of time as he just changes his read every 5 mins. And you think this is a description of my scum play or my town play? Your taunts are clearly showing that you were thinking of me as town. | ||
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On July 13 2016 03:19 Damdred wrote: I think vivax you can be town for today. It's interesting catch so far, though generally as I've said scum slips are kinda meh. Then maybe stop pretending this is the only argument I'be brought forward. It's number 3 or 4. There's enough material on LS already, and I have a good record of reading him, believe it or not, even when you both faked the rage as scummates I called it out. | ||
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On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm. @Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm? Nowhere is explained how their alignments would help figuring out the scum team. On July 13 2016 01:24 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways if I have to lynch anyone right now it would be Voro because his push is very weak but I wanted more people's opinions on him and Emperor because like I said solving both of their alignments will solve the game. One hour later he "wanted more opinions on them". He wants to lynch him because his push is weak. And still nobody knows how their alignments would solve the game. These are all not arguments for voron being mafia. For any town person he should be at best null, on a D1. When LS gets heat on him he intensifies the tunnel and adds another argument (bolded) that makes vorono at best more afk, not more mafia and was never part of his original arguments to begin with. To me it just looks like he's desperately trying to push attention away from himself by doing this. On July 13 2016 01:45 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck it I voting my scum read now rather people think I right or wrong I don't give a fuck about it. Voro I think your scum because your push is super weak on Emperor and when I told you that the quote you quoted for voting him is NAI you refused to talk to me. ##Vote: vorono Caution meta and tone ahead this won't be even up for debate for me cause I don't even need this argument to explain why he's mafia (if you have rebuttals then adress my other points thanks) , but if you accept meta as a reason and are acquainted with LS then it might convince you. + Show Spoiler + I don't even know why a town LS would add a "fuck it" in here when he's being suspected by 1 or 2 persons. When he's town he doesn't get this aggressive (heard about some lylo madness somewhere but that's not the same context). He actually tries to find out why he's being scumread and stuff, check this page of his filter from Holyflare mafia which 1. is recent, 2. has him as mafia's D1 target and he's being suspected by townies as well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia?user=LightningStrike&page=3 Simply compare his reaction to Palmar, HF etc. to the reaction here. I highly doubt I will lynch anyone else today. | ||
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On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said. Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that. Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion. | ||
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On July 13 2016 06:49 Shapelog wrote: So goth. But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner. Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him. I don't want him to get MKed or act town I just want to lynch him for rolling mafia. He learned to include rage outbursts as scum strat so it's just a good reason as the others. I'm just really annoyed at the attrition you and Damdred are giving me, Damdred mentioning how he has concerns and the such but not voicing them. You on the other hand seem so focused on Volvo and given the spammy nature all I see is the thread (which is 60 % you probably) jumping on this guy, but here's what I think. 1. I still don't know a reason for people scumreading him besides him being perceived as overly sure on calling emc scum. LS added that one of him and emc must be mafia and that he has been lurking but I'm not seeing these reasons as valid. 2. He seems really calm and didn't try to adapt his opinion that got him scumread in the first place. 3. Someone like him is prime D1 lynch bait material. He doesn't know how we play and judge people | ||
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On July 12 2016 15:04 DCWasabi wrote: Wait a sec here, so this time all of the townies are no-names... How do you know who is a townie in this game? Is this a slip? This post shows he's reading and thinking between the lines so I'm willing to give DCW a D1 freepass. | ||
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On July 13 2016 08:12 KelsierSC wrote: No i read it. it just isn't that odd at all when you think about it . Well I was leaning town on him initially cause he seemed so cheerful at the start. But when someone starts strong and then drops off abruply I lean scum on them. What was your take on him back then? | ||
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On July 15 2016 14:24 DCWasabi wrote: Looking at these along with shape, mostly agree... long post from my phone lol. Wouldnt it make sense that mafia is only hiding in the Kush voters if Snickers is Mafia? If Snickers is town, then I believe that they could join the bandwagon since lynching a town Snickers would not appear scummy due to his lack of activity. And the vote was pretty close with players like me possibly returning at the last second (and mafia know I'm town). If Snickers is Mafia, then of course they don't want to Lynch him, unless he was being bussed, but I find that unlikely because how the fuck did that vote not pass if mafia is voting him too, a few unforseen life circumstances aside, lol + O's Razor. Or is it deeper than this? I don't want to get outplayed by some scum mastermind (cough, shape, cough). They don't gain much by lynching him if he's town, scummy townies are what mafia wants to drag into the lategame. They will only attempt to lynch them when they are in danger, while they kill universal townreads and roles. Overall no lynching almost always favours mafia. We're basically still stuck in D1 cause that lynch didn't happen. I just have no idea still why kush got killed. | ||
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I think we're good if we kill snickers for a start, then I might work from the premise that he was killed for his reads. | ||
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If you want movement to come into the game then start making cases for snickers being town (if you want someone else lynched) cause everything else is uninteresting and won't change the fact he has to be lynched. | ||
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On July 16 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote: Lol I think my goverment is being overthrown btw. Turn on Fox/bbc or something. Welp <_< Don't become another krim pls | ||
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I feel like voting Kruppe now. | ||
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If Kruppe wastes his vote again the shenannies will be definitely happening though. | ||
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On July 16 2016 23:19 vorono wrote: i apologize for lurking and doing nothing, i didn't actually read most pages to be honest shapelog, so i'm going to get engaged with the game now. but it is hard with no avatars next to posts. tl;dr list of my thoughts: town: djwasabi, snickers, prplhz, damdred, shapelog not sure: skynx, kruppe, kelsiersc scum: empoleon, vivax + Show Spoiler + prplhz push on snickers is done in a townie way even though i disagree. On July 12 2016 13:29 emperorchampion wrote: Just happy to be playin the game  also trying to get people into the thread lolI think prp was a lot less neutral last game from what I observed in obs so I'll be interested in seeing how he play out this game. I think it makes sense in the context of him coming across really scummy in the first half of day 1 last game he wants to take a more back seat roll, so I'd be willing to give some town points for that. Anyhow more tomorrow gotta head to bed meow this is a scumtell, townreading someone for wifom because he knows that prp is town. it's like, the reason that he gave is actually null and could be used to support prp being either alignment, but he has confbias from knowing that prp is town. dj wasabi townie for questioning it, damdred also townie #120 is a good point On July 12 2016 15:00 Skynx wrote: I'd wait til 2nd half of D1 to read emp. idk if this is particularly out of place for this site but this reads like unnecessary posturing, why would you even need to say this it achieves nothing why not read emp in the 1st half of d1 anyway literally me rn On July 12 2016 22:39 emperorchampion wrote: I dunno this guy stinks, but lynch me for generating 3 pages of discussion and starting the game right? this is terrible and weak-defensive, i was the only one voting him at this point On July 12 2016 22:40 Shapelog wrote: Hi Guys! Mafioso Scum (fake?)Claim for now, till I catch up. Might change it up to a town or higher ranked mafia role (fake?)claim, depending on how the thread makes me feel. shapelog seems like the kind of guy who would say things like this always to make it difficult to work out his intentions vivax entrance is... meh On July 12 2016 23:04 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Applause! Applause! Friend Vivax, you have earned a —certainly one of kruppe's favorites!— chair at Kruppe's table. Such wisdom is unparalleled by anyone other than Kruppe himself. lol wtf is this he asked some null af early game probing question that is so easily done as either alignment. completely unwarrranted read On July 12 2016 23:07 Shapelog wrote: And just gone again. And he doesn't react to anyone (or LS more to the point) of calling the Emp post Null, despite being around. I would expect someone to at least be questionable about the person who is defending/white knighting someone that they consider scum. Not just ignore it. Then just coming back 2 hours later (if he left, I mean that post came 12 mins after Emp's), and just calling the guy scum again. yeah i kind of didn't read shit lol. i don't care if he calls the post null, tone reads are subjective and i'm ok with it. On July 12 2016 23:18 Vivax wrote: This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to. this is bs doubtcasting, ur scum bro sounds townie and eh i can understand why he would dislike my earlier posting. On July 13 2016 00:44 emperorchampion wrote: Feels pretty bs/weak so I have a good feeling that he could be scum. Doesn't feel like reaction testing or anything like that so I don't know other reasons scummy On July 13 2016 01:15 Vivax wrote: Wut. The KSC read was about Damdys convo with emc. I think this is mafia LS, too many nervous posts + he's making stuff up here imo. this post sounds wrong... the "wut" doesn't sound like a scumread, kind of On July 13 2016 01:24 emperorchampion wrote: @ Vivax: what do you make of this LS post where he answers his own question? Maybe it's nothing but it feels weird to me why would you ask this vivax is already scumreading lightning strike, it makes me think more they could be scum together shapelog trolling i initially scumread the post in isolation but eh, the rest of his play is pretty townie and i think he just does this kind of thing as either alignment. On July 13 2016 01:40 Kruppe the Eel wrote: Kruppe ponders; what happened to the infinite wisdom displayed by true friend Vivax, who is currently —most comfortably— seated at the largest and most illuminated table in the tavern? Ah, but mayhaps Kruppe already knows. Bard Vivax's song is sonorous and devout, but a song is a poem is a tale. This is merely the beginning of the tale sung by friend Vivax; twists and turns, friends and jubilations, chairs and pastries! What wonders await us, dear friends of Kruppe? Kruppe admits to utter ignorance, solemnly sworn! "what happened to vivax i expect more content"? kinda meh post after the previous one, he's only focusing on vivax for some reason On July 13 2016 02:04 emperorchampion wrote: I think it makes sense to vote voronoi atm, so that's what Im going to do. ##vote vorono what a stupid and unnecessary qualification for a vote, basically raw opportunism and he has never stated a scumread on me. only in weak / vague terms at least On July 13 2016 03:03 Vivax wrote: LS how did you know I was town in the posts after you asked me if my vote on you was a scumclaim? On July 13 2016 03:13 Vivax wrote: And you think this is a description of my scum play or my town play? Your taunts are clearly showing that you were thinking of me as town. oh god, this is such a fucking terrible "gotcha", fucking awful. this guy is scum i was right maybe nobody else sees how disgusting this is but it's just so bad. like he set up lightning swift to fall into the trap rather than being transparent about it. it's all for show. trivial On July 13 2016 04:23 Vivax wrote: Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that. Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion. saying "it doesn't make you look more town" shows a disconnect between vivax's opinions and the stances he posts in thread it is basically acknowledging that lightning sprite obvtowned himself by being insulting (and he did), and shoving it aside. On July 13 2016 04:50 Damdred wrote: Idk what the point of this is ls if you are town. Vivax accusations are founded on things that actually happened. If you disagree explain why he's wrong, you throwing a temper tantrum just kinda reminds me of millionaire at this point. No real reason for rage or the sudden turn in attitude from nobody will ever lynch you to you being an easy ml? even though it's wrong, in comparison this is actual reasoning for why lightning s could be scum, it's distinct from vivax's post because: vivax: "oh this doesn't clear you as town btw sorry i can still mislynch you" damdred: "this is scummy" (missed a few pages because i closed browser without saving into text file) i take back everything i said about shapelog, my reasoning was bad and i was reading those posts out of context. i think shapelog is town On July 13 2016 07:47 Vivax wrote: Not sure if I should treat LS as modconfirmed town, but I will and otherwise the game is invalid. i get why he says this but the transition is rather sudden and he seems otherwise unfazed which is scummy after tunneling him so hard On July 14 2016 07:13 KelsierSC wrote: don't care I have just hated everything you've posted vaguely townie + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2016 15:04 Skynx wrote: Either way, at least one of KSC/Snickers/emp is mafia for sure and I just don't see emperor ever being town here: Lets go by the facts to start On July 14 2016 22:51 emperorchampion wrote: I know, I'm sorry  I was going to switch near the end, but I honestly lost track of time Vote switch happened approx 30 mins to deadline (8:00 being deadline in the timestamp here) On July 14 2016 07:32 emperorchampion wrote: ##unvote ##vote nnn_thekushmountains However, he was most certainly here on the deadline. He could, if he wanted switched back to Snickers. On July 14 2016 08:01 emperorchampion wrote: Damdy what do you think about kush's scum lean on you? But anyway, why did he switched votes still? He knows his priorities: On July 14 2016 06:54 emperorchampion wrote: Personally I think that kush would be a better lynch since I didn't like his posts and I've found that snickers is straight up null so far. Like I would expect more from kush even from his low effort games. kush > snickers > vorono >> no-lynch are my thoughts atm I guess you meta'd snickers saying that he's active tho? but yet On July 14 2016 07:46 emperorchampion wrote: I don't see anyone :o All 5 votes on snickers were locked btw, he's never convincing them to switch. So he needs to get absolutely everyone else to switch which very hard at best as Shape/vorono/Kruppe have been away for a while and is anyway impossible since DCW was confirmed not to be there. He looks like best lynch to me before we get key information on KSC. Snickers flipping either alignment doesn't change much considering other two, where as if one of them is mafia, Snickers is confirmed mafia. If they're not, we're wasting a lynch on Snickers. i don't think it's as clear-cut as you think it looks On July 16 2016 00:36 emperorchampion wrote: So Skynx is town, there's no way mafia makes that post. But you are very wrong about me. this is comparable to the post he made earlier reading prplhz as town for pure wifom, and also a scumtell this is objectively the scummiest post in the thread! On July 16 2016 07:35 Snickers wrote: Theres no way there is not a fucking scum on me right now. These votes just pile on when 1. there isnt even a fucking case on me. 2. There has only been shitty reasons for voting me. You dont fucking policy lynch someone for inactivity day one. You dont fucking continue to go full tunnel into day two like prp is. I have a town circle right now of me vivax, slam and dc. That leaves ec,prp and ksc. I am down to lynch anyone of them today. I am also going to relook at the votes day one that piled on so easily. ec was scummy day one before the deadline. So even if that was a mistake during the deadline that sucks for him. IIRC prp has tunneled me and constantly shit up the thread. ksc I have no clue about. I also think skynx is scum I will analyze it more and give it a full post townie post, snickers is town anyway i ran out of words let's lynch empoleon? ppl are hard townreading vivax which is sad but otherwise i would lynch him | ||
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I see I still have an unanswered question in my last post. I believe Kels and voro are the last mafia atm. The felt lack of reads between them was the origin of that question. Initially I was pondering the idea if D1 vote wasters were mafia but since Kruppe and Shape hammered snickers basically I'll assume that they weren't (except vorono so they don't have the entire team on kush). | ||
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On July 17 2016 23:22 Skynx wrote: Vorono is scummy but is very out there and risky play if he's actually scum. When I was reading what he spoilered I was actually thinking something similar. But I'm not a friend of too scummy to be scum reasoning here. I think I can summarize that content as "this guy tried to generate content but without actually getting a good overview of the game, and trying to make his selection of reads fit his objectives". if I put myself into his shoes for a moment: I barely read the game, I barely think my team has a chance, but I need to put in a minimum of effort so I will just talk about random stuff that is far away from the actual points of interest the town has. He has zero interest in figuring out the game and he doesn't attempt to hide it. Easy scumlynch imo. | ||
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On July 18 2016 04:28 Shapelog wrote: Lol, Vivax. You should know that me hammering a scum doesn't = townie points rofl. More about the lead up. You want to avoid being TR for the inevitable loneliness that will follow when either Kels or vorono flips  ?Or do you need an excuse for not being NKd? Or are you trying to be cocky as town? | ||
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My case seemed to convince a few people (notably Kruppe and Kels). Shape accused him in a trolly way, Damdred just seemed overall reluctant to decide either way and didnt want to voice his concerns. Anyway my post isn't really that serious, it's just a few things I can think of that might make him mafia, but mostly I was interested into knowing why you would lynch him. Cause I'd defeinitely lynch voro first. | ||
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On July 18 2016 13:10 LightningStrike wrote: Ya I think I need a break from TL Mafia not only because I feeling like I turning into more of a asshole but stuff been going on irl that really made me snap hard mainly my mom recently had one of her teeth pulled and her prior experience with getting one of her teeth getting pulled was so terrible that they had to do 2 Oral Surgeries just to fix the mistake from the dentist so ofc I was stressed with that going on in terms of recovery. In addition my dad had to lay off a couple of workers for the company he works for which I was sad but mainly it just my mom being ill and thought mafia would make me relax more. The main reason I quitting TL Mafia is though that I getting ready to go on vacation which should ease me up a bit but in addition I getting ready to start going to school again so ya I wont have time to play until December. I apologize to you Vivax I wish I didn't snap at you that bad. I will sit out the required games so when I do come back I can actually play right away. So now Bon Voyage to everyone here. It's fine LS, enjoy the change of air. Don't feel ashamed to come back whenever you want. I'd actually prefer if you only got a warning given how the game ended :/ | ||
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