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Shape might be mafia though, but I'm lynching him later if he at least TRIES to be his cool town self. I'm not caught up but my 2 cent to rush into the discussion. | ||
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On July 12 2016 22:46 Shapelog wrote: ? Your not caught up, yet you somehow have something on me, when I just posted my first post 4 mins ago? I'm caught up on you not the thread. | ||
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On July 12 2016 19:08 KelsierSC wrote: [/b]Good Morning Everyone, I've read through the game and have a few town reads to share. Damdred - I liked his entry and the points he raised about emperor/conversation with DCwasabi seemed excellent. He Seems engaged in the game aswell so he is my top town. DCWasabi - I've never played with this guy before but his initial problem with emperor's post was quite well though out and I also liked his conversation with damdred so i'd have him as town at the moment. [green]prplhz So this was strange at first I didn't like his posts about not wanting to lead the town and being happy to sheep anyone. But on further reflection I don't think it is likely that , as a mafia opening, you would come out and say stuff like that. Maybe he said something like it before or does it as either alignment but I don't remember it. I also liked the tone of his responses, sort of unapologetic for what he was saying. For everyone else I have slight leans either way but I don't have anything that would be a helpful contribution Why do you have such a strong opinion on Damdy based on what he wrote on emc, but no opinion on emc at all? Doesn't seem logical to me. If his points are excellent you should share his views? | ||
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On July 12 2016 22:59 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think KSC knows that Damdred just rolled scum in the most recent game lol. Anyways Vivax once you get fully caught up can I have your thoughts on voro vs emperor? This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to. Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scumin the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think. | ||
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On July 13 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: It not exactly outside of Damdred's scum wheel box yet I do need a little bit more time with him. I don't think anything you done is outside of your mafia wheel house atm I do need a little bit of time to figure you out. The KSC read on you were stuff you done last game hence my comment about KSC haven't read your last game. Wut. The KSC read was about Damdys convo with emc. I think this is mafia LS, too many nervous posts + he's making stuff up here imo. | ||
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I already wondered what damdreds last game had to do with anything kelsier said earlier: + Show Spoiler + This comment doesn't really seem relevant? Feels to me like you're avoiding giving a more concrete opinion on KSC even though I might have given you a good reason to. Whether KSC knows about Damdred rolling scum in the last game doesn't really have much to do with my point. Even if he were to be more careful about reading him as town his opinion that the points are good is there and should influence his read on emc I think. Now you claim Kelsier said anything about Damdreds last games as a justification towards Damdred cause he's asking you why you spread doubts about him. Ezpz | ||
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On July 13 2016 01:24 emperorchampion wrote: @ Vivax: what do you make of this LS post where he answers his own question? Maybe it's nothing but it feels weird to me The only thing that felt weird to me is that I gave him a reason to reevaluate his KSC read but when I asked him about it he said he was still null based on a post made before mine. That would be one more reason why I think he is mafia. He could agree or disagree but just pointing to an earlier post without an opinion on mine shows he's not really forming reads. | ||
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On July 13 2016 01:41 Damdred wrote: Shape should of never killed ls in storm rip. Anyway, I missed you shape it had been so long since we had been together I thought my hi would of conveyed the depth of my emotion to you. As for this ls vs thread hit fight, idk. It sort of is nai he can do it either way. I have a couple problems with ls though, the general attitude towards me/fear mongering when I think my content/activity far outstrips where I have been in any of my scum games. His approach to the end also bugs me and he feels like he flailing now a bit. I have two decent arguments for him being mafia, please don't cover him just cause you're friends and give an honest opinion, or at least have the decency to tell me why I should be wrong. | ||
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On July 13 2016 03:09 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't call you town I just said I was going to ignore you. On July 13 2016 01:35 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I am mostly relaxed because Vivax is probably one of the worst players in terms of keeping the same reads over a period of time as he just changes his read every 5 mins. And you think this is a description of my scum play or my town play? Your taunts are clearly showing that you were thinking of me as town. | ||
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On July 13 2016 03:19 Damdred wrote: I think vivax you can be town for today. It's interesting catch so far, though generally as I've said scum slips are kinda meh. Then maybe stop pretending this is the only argument I'be brought forward. It's number 3 or 4. There's enough material on LS already, and I have a good record of reading him, believe it or not, even when you both faked the rage as scummates I called it out. | ||
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On July 13 2016 00:34 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways I think solving Voro and Emperors alignment wil be key on figuring out the scum team atm. @Emperor what you make of Voro pushing you atm? Nowhere is explained how their alignments would help figuring out the scum team. On July 13 2016 01:24 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways if I have to lynch anyone right now it would be Voro because his push is very weak but I wanted more people's opinions on him and Emperor because like I said solving both of their alignments will solve the game. One hour later he "wanted more opinions on them". He wants to lynch him because his push is weak. And still nobody knows how their alignments would solve the game. These are all not arguments for voron being mafia. For any town person he should be at best null, on a D1. When LS gets heat on him he intensifies the tunnel and adds another argument (bolded) that makes vorono at best more afk, not more mafia and was never part of his original arguments to begin with. To me it just looks like he's desperately trying to push attention away from himself by doing this. On July 13 2016 01:45 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck it I voting my scum read now rather people think I right or wrong I don't give a fuck about it. Voro I think your scum because your push is super weak on Emperor and when I told you that the quote you quoted for voting him is NAI you refused to talk to me. ##Vote: vorono Caution meta and tone ahead this won't be even up for debate for me cause I don't even need this argument to explain why he's mafia (if you have rebuttals then adress my other points thanks) , but if you accept meta as a reason and are acquainted with LS then it might convince you. + Show Spoiler + I don't even know why a town LS would add a "fuck it" in here when he's being suspected by 1 or 2 persons. When he's town he doesn't get this aggressive (heard about some lylo madness somewhere but that's not the same context). He actually tries to find out why he's being scumread and stuff, check this page of his filter from Holyflare mafia which 1. is recent, 2. has him as mafia's D1 target and he's being suspected by townies as well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/509406-h-o-l-y-f-e-mafia?user=LightningStrike&page=3 Simply compare his reaction to Palmar, HF etc. to the reaction here. I highly doubt I will lynch anyone else today. | ||
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On July 13 2016 04:10 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck you. Fuck you. Oh and fuck you. There is always 1 scum between Boro and emperor that why I said what I said. Maybe you're right but if you're right then only cause you're mafia with one of them. Otherwise nobody can say that for sure. They didn't both claim the same role or anything like that. Spamming insults doesn't make you look more town by the way. In Holyflare mafia you didn't do that when under suspicion. | ||
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On July 13 2016 06:49 Shapelog wrote: So goth. But serious tone here, Vivax, Ik and have read (and voiced) my sus. on LS. Hell, I wouldn't mind lynching him if he keeps up, and doesn't start being/acting town. Considering the fact that he literally pick up the "Lynch X" banner. Not to mention he prob. will get MKed from the comment about you too. And added that, plus how much he bothered me, is why I am not talking about him. I don't want him to get MKed or act town I just want to lynch him for rolling mafia. He learned to include rage outbursts as scum strat so it's just a good reason as the others. I'm just really annoyed at the attrition you and Damdred are giving me, Damdred mentioning how he has concerns and the such but not voicing them. You on the other hand seem so focused on Volvo and given the spammy nature all I see is the thread (which is 60 % you probably) jumping on this guy, but here's what I think. 1. I still don't know a reason for people scumreading him besides him being perceived as overly sure on calling emc scum. LS added that one of him and emc must be mafia and that he has been lurking but I'm not seeing these reasons as valid. 2. He seems really calm and didn't try to adapt his opinion that got him scumread in the first place. 3. Someone like him is prime D1 lynch bait material. He doesn't know how we play and judge people | ||
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