EPTprob gunna be a low effort game from me though kus idk what my time is going to be like.
Trying to find a new job and have been working out more + trying to spend less time on the comp
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prob gunna be a low effort game from me though kus idk what my time is going to be like. Trying to find a new job and have been working out more + trying to spend less time on the comp | ||
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Barely thought about it. Not disappointed. | ||
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So I have no real interest in being the mayor, but I think I'd make a pretty good pardoner. I have a pretty good history of making decent D1 reads so have a solid shot at being able to pick a town bodyguard. Also there is another power that role has, and I'll totally read what that is at some point. So yea, you should like vote for me kus I'm cool and shit. Also anybody who tries to bring up some game from the past where I was a gunsmith is clearly against democracy and probably mafia, so they should prob be the D1 lynch. | ||
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- I will read the thread! + Show Spoiler + sometime... maybe even soon - I'll be around for EoD and will try to help lead the voters in a calm and orderly fashion! + Show Spoiler + I will save all tinfoil for N1! - I'll provide occasion cute/interesting gifs and photos! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wlJrqwz.jpg) - I'll be active and not try to base any reads off tarot cards! + Show Spoiler + kus who does that? - I promise no more than 1/3 of my posts will be made while incredibly stoned! + Show Spoiler + #420Blazeit Will we be able to make TL Mafia great again? + Show Spoiler + Together... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/om0hkW8.jpg) | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:39 Chezinu wrote: Dear US Liquidians, I am here before you to declare that I willing to represent everyone here. Of the two presidential candidates presented before us that we must chose, I am willing to make the hard decision. In light of the recent attacks and the volatile economy, it is not the time to continue on the path we have taken. These desperate times call for desperate measures. That is why I am will to speak on behalf of all us and chose the wild card that may or may not save us. I am willing to play the Trump in front of our nation. May the clouds have favor on our dance. Chez for Prez! | ||
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On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not? Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game? I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote: I think art v qt is t v t. Its good though keep it up. Humm. I want to lynch one of Art or Damdred today. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:34 Damdred wrote: Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts. Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome Movie is starting. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WPpBa1u.jpg) | ||
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On June 25 2016 15:56 Jealous wrote: I'm gonna be real with y'all, I've consumed substances and will not be able to function for the next 24 hours due to prior arrangements, but I will be active afterwards. Sorry. Happy Substances! | ||
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On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote: TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:18 QuickTwist wrote: I am not uncomfortable though I can understand why you think so. If you are refering to me getting irritated because of Art, that is. That was legit, I was uncomfortable, but more so just irritated that I was taking heat for something stupid. I am not "trying" to do anything. This is a natural playstyle for me. I said this before in the dead thread - I was trying something new that game. Its (that style) not something I am proficient in yet. But I think I might know what your role is based on you asking me this. Nah just early game you felt off with the stand-off-ish-ness about the joking stuff when you were pretty into it last game. Kinda like you were this guy in the room. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DGg2Ej5.jpg) It actually makes sense considering how you got lynched last game though. You still got that instant OMGUS thing going on btw. | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote: Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. You know I kinda felt the same... It was overblown especially with his interaction with Damdred. I didn't get the same happy go lucky trolling feeling from him either, more like ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/T1ZPun4.jpg) I'm surprised you want to read Jealous based off an "I'm AFK" post. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:34 Damdred wrote: Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts. Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome Movie is starting. I actually really want to know why you called me out in this post, like of all the people who hadn't posted why do I stand out? | ||
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What stands out to you about Jealous's post? Or maybe, what about Jin's gives you townfeels? | ||
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On June 25 2016 23:00 Chezinu wrote: oh you said Prez and not Representative. I never considered running for President... Idk... with a potential campaign chant of "Chez for Prez!" ... you kinda have to. "Chez for Representative" is kinda like spitting seeds out of your mouth. Humm, I'm no longer sure you have the interests of the masses in mind. | ||
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I said what I did when I read your post. I didn't know art was gunna blow up about it for half his filter. Wasn't even trying to call you scum, it was an honest question. | ||
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On June 25 2016 23:18 Superbia wrote: Not ready to disclose the details of either of those reads yet, I want to see what they both do respectively first and then take it from there. Fair enough. | ||
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I still want to lynch between Art and Damdred on the grounds that they are throwing out super lazy townreads and pushing fairly shitty scumreads. | ||
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On June 25 2016 23:29 Tictock wrote: Yea I think I'm just gunna ignore discussing my townreads today. This is because, if elected pardoner, it will be that much harder for scum to figure out who I might give BG to. | ||
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If we let things get too split or try to do last min shenanigans it will give scum potential to move votes into a position that gives them a mayoral role. This actually becomes pretty simple today if people can agree I'm clearly the best pardoner. Then we can focus on who should be mayor and who should be the D1 lynch (so basically everyone focus on a townread and scumread and see which we best agree on). I might be overthinking this, but today's vote is actually fairly important and can prob secure a town victory if we play it right. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:48 Damdred wrote: Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully. The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles. I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town. So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. This is your most developed read that you gave out, everything else was super hand wavy. On June 25 2016 06:58 Damdred wrote: Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though. Super knee jerk town. GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility On June 25 2016 07:22 Damdred wrote: Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness, Sk might be scum, qt probably town. On June 25 2016 08:00 Damdred wrote: Mannn I feel like I need to lay down. I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad. Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? And plz, "...beat most of the game to the same reads" doesn't mean jack especially kus you are prob scum. | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:40 Damdred wrote: I kinda hate this post btw, feels like art already covered this a bit with his initial scum read and feels like a parrot with trying to seem new. Maybe TT can stay in my lynch list meh nothing to smart sounding yet. This feels weird to me as well, but I'm not sure if I can explain well. Like art kinda blew up about this small inconsistancy in QT's play but Damred's still totally cool with his w/e Art is town read. But my one question is parroting Art and makes me scummy. | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:25 Damdred wrote: And honestly your posts don't inspire a lot of confidence or making me want to reconsider my stance. It would be a shame to have to push an inactive person wouldn't it? | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:30 Jealous wrote: 1610 - Jun 25 0400 - Substances, soccer, videogames, music, friends, good times. This definitely sounds like something along the lines of shrooms or acid. The rest of that post kinda sounded like BS, but I'm never gunna read it all so I'll never know. | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote: And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me? I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though). | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:36 QuickTwist wrote: Fake quote is fake. I don't see a good Town reason to do this. You mean this? On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote: How am i pushing shitty scum reads again? Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote: Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation. Pfft like why are you even getting all fussy. You and art just feel really boring and mechanical to me. Either giving out really shallow reads or blowing up over some silly stuff. | ||
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On June 26 2016 00:55 Damdred wrote: Nothing i've said has been little at this junction, you did a read through commented on something. Never even responded to the same argument that was already presented and the answer given within like the first 5 real pages of the game. And now you refuse to substantiate any form of scum reads you are given which is a reason you are alluding to scum reading me for btw. Which is kind of funny actually. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0bWPj69.gif) | ||
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On June 26 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote: Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble. And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick. Huh? How is On June 25 2016 12:34 Damdred wrote: Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts. Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome Movie is starting. complimenting me on not being lynchbait? Like you had just posted that you are basically doing PoE and are down to the people who hadn't posted. On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote: It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Besides Skynx those are the people who hadn't posted at all in the game. So how are you even going to make a point like "all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome" when there is literally nothing to read yet. I'm just not seeing where your head is at this game if you are town Damdred. You seem like background noise and have brushed off stuff I'd expect you to try and get reads from (like qt and art fighting, you brushed that off as TvT way too quickly and easily). It's true I'm not explaining my read on you and Art very well, but that's because it's largely gut and feels based atm. You are both fairly experienced players, but I'm feeling like you are both kinda timidly playing from the background. Your reads reflect that imo. | ||
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On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Absolutely 100% confirmed town Chezinu Town Damdred Skynx Tumblewood Quicktwist Townish Subparbia -power gap- Emperorarechampion Null GlowingBear Jealous MoosyDoosy Mildly leaning mafia Jean Valjean Lean mafia Ticktock Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. | ||
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On June 26 2016 08:57 Jean Valjean wrote: These posts, or rather the thought progression that led to them should basically exclude Quickdraw from any lynch considerations for today. While it is of course possible he is being smart mafia and focusing on irrelevant details on purpose, the fact that he actually bothered to check the timestamps means he is at least trying to think about the game in a way that allows him to contribute to solving it. This means I would not want to lynch him today at least, and makes him one of my stronger townreads, for whatever that may be worth on day 1. I think I want this guy to be President. | ||
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On June 26 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Inspector Artanis has proof Slam admits it was his smurf on the first post in the page after. This doesn't change my opinion. + Show Spoiler + Before I get accused of not reacting to stuff that happened after a post I decide to quote. | ||
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On June 26 2016 12:05 Tumblewood wrote: I'm thinking our best candidate for mayor is super because he's town (and I feel pretty solid about that) and he's not a scrub. Yea I think Super might be the person I trust the most who has a solid shot at picking a scum lynch. I also still think I would make a badass pardoner, but I can't be bothered to make myself more obviously town than I already am so maybe that's not happening. | ||
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Dude is very obviously town and has a solid head on his shoulders. ##Vote: Tumblewood | ||
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On June 26 2016 17:58 Superbia wrote: TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote: You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town. | ||
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Maybe, but I'm not seeing it atm. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little. I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest. Well I'm gunna take your word about your mafia play with a grain of salt, I think I've only played a game or two with you as town. Eh I call it as I see it, you dropped your read on QT then quoted a post of mine saying you didn't like it. Then you brought up some weak meta about my town game being "interesting" and bam I'm your top scum read (though you seemed more interested questioning Jean). Looks like you're early read got squashed by thread sentiment so you went looking for new people to push. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia. If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort. I didn't ask him, just responded to his reasons kus I didn't think they are great reasons to TR you. You are right that this interaction is kinda pointless atm though kus we are just beating each other in the head. How about this, who do you think should be Mayor? | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:49 Skynx wrote: GB for pres TT for pardonner plz. Why GB? Would you consider Tumble for pres? + Show Spoiler [Or...] + Chez for Prez? | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me? Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful  + Show Spoiler +and not particularly accurate imo I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:05 Skynx wrote: I'm thinking GB is more confirmed town than Tumble atm. Chez would prolly make a worse pres than our PM. Eh I think Chez would make a great Prez, would probably make TL Mafia great again. But it's fine, clearly you are not a supporter of the silly party. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on. Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta... And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting. I know... my mom told me. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me. I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not Lol I think those my worst and best town games you just referenced. Was my D1 play in those so different from this game? | ||
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We should start figuring out our votes for President (Mayor) and Pardoner. Kus right now the votes look like shit. Potential mayor candidates should both explain who they want to lynch and why, but maybe we should do an unofficial lynch vote and agree that the mayor should lynch that person? | ||
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Gunna try and skim and catchup read fast. | ||
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Well good shit on lynching Moosy then. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:42 Superbia wrote: TT/Jean/Art, do any of you feel different about each other? TT/Jean, how do you feel about the other? Should prob wait till I get caught up kus this might change, but was getting townfeels from Jean. Eh Art is feeling sorta involved from the discussion, but I don't like that he just brushed off me asking him who should be mayor with just "Me" , just kinda seemed like he wasn't really thinking about it. We'll see if anything interesting developed. | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. ![[image loading]](http://www.facepalm.de/images/facepalm.jpg) | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean Why are you suddenly suspecting Super here? And I can't tell if you are trying to lynch Jean here or gave up and are supporting him as mayor. I'm not a fan of these "Boo-hoo I'm being scumread posts" (it's not the first one) | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:21 Damdred wrote: Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town. And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today. I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous. And yes the game can just be that simple meh. Why does (or did) a team of Jealous and me start making sense to you? Why Jealous over me? I also thought you had reconsidered your read on me, but now I'm scum again. On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote: But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food I'm interested what happened to your read on me here. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position. And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh. While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now. I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip. Wait... I thought you had a pretty strong TR on GB. Why wouldn't you vote him? I'm also not sure why you wouldn't vote Super since he is obv town. At this rate I'm gunna be tunneled on Damdred and Art all game kus they are clearly reading a different game than me. | ||
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On June 27 2016 02:04 Tumblewood wrote: ok holy shit tt is scum. - scumreading art for changing his read too fast. pls that's town if anything. - stupid misattribution of art's push - narrative - narrative - more narrative impressively manages to dismiss art's read entirely without a real counter, just "you don't know me." basically I don't see why tt would make these cases as town... they're so far-fetched and only really make sense as a justification rather than a reason. Oh Tumble... My point regarding Art's meta on me is that he's doing it so shallowly. I'm much more stagnant in my reads as town than as mafia and am decently well know to tunnel people for days. Hell even just look at last game where I was tunneled on Super going into the last day before rereading stuff and being convinced by Jealous my thinking was probably not on point. "You don't know me" is about as valid of an argument I can think of when someone is pushing a shitty meta argument on me. | ||
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Here is where I am at (not in any particular order) Town: (prob never lynching) Tumbleweed GlowingBeer Supbarbia QuickTwister Likely Town: Skynks Jin Valjean Null: Jaelous emperarechampion Cheziness Probably Scum: Damdruid Artanis[XD] It would be too sick if my Yolo team turns out to be correct. On June 26 2016 00:40 Tictock wrote: I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though). Team still fits for me kus it kinda explains why Art and Damdred have been pushing me or trying to discredit me so hard without doing much to try and interact with me or further a read on me. Or maybe I'm hella tunneled... in which case... ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/f8/f88e1e4b8b913c64c49142ca4293619bd263892a4c3fcee46acda49c8b4555ec.jpg) | ||
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Ok Jean moves up to the never lynching category. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote: Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol? And weren't you the one to immediately respond to his claim with "It doesn't matter"? I'm actually not sure why you dislike his(Jealous') GB read given your own read on GB is actually kinda similar. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:28 Jealous wrote: I'm trying to do my due diligence. This is just as much for myself to organize my thoughts as I read every filter of the 40+ hours I missed so I can get get ready to analyze consequent actions with some foundation, as it is to show others that I am back from being inactive and am ready to contribute my reads to the town. I can see how this can be construed as "trying to seem town," but given how there was a push to policy lynch me I think it is more of "trying to be active and a part of the game and stimulate discussion." Yea between this and kinda liking his reads I'm starting to lean town on Jealous. Will leave him on higher end of null for now though kus I'd kinda like to see more. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He won't do it and we can lynch TT later anyway. TT actually becomes more readable later on and dunno if MD does so I don't mind the shot. Humm, this is the first reasonable thing you've said about me. Maybe I've been wrong about you Art. | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:10 Jean Valjean wrote: Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going. Yea, I don't think so. We should keep lynching scum. | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote: A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea. A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level. | ||
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On June 27 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote: If you would finish the thread pretty sure you would,know a lot more instead of ask I,g them as you go. Though does make your filter look,better out of co,text which might be what you are going for Or I'll just post as I see and think of things like I always do. I doubt it actually makes my filter look better. I do tend to prefer responding to stuff via quotes rather than in-the-moment discussion but it's not like I shy away from discussion if you approach me. On June 27 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote: Also it's pre try clear from ny filter I came back still push I,g you as scum so yeaaa Well that's what I mean, what happened to make you think I was town for the span of one post then go right back to scum reading me? | ||
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I kinda want to reread GB even though I think he's prob telling the truth about being named VT, and thought he was town before that anyway. Just need to cross some t's. Emp is weird to me kus he feels kinda different than last game, but doesn't seem very towny to me either. I think I feel pretty good about all my townreads though. | ||
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I agree with whoever said cop should check him. Though I do kinda recall an interaction he had with QT that I liked... | ||
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On June 27 2016 10:52 Damdred wrote: How did I not consolidate on a good mayor? I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards. Then come at me and I'll bury you. Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad. It's great that you've called me scum all game but talk to me like you think I'm town. You pushed against GB or Super being mayor, but ended up voting GB (can't really find why in your filter) and then voted Jean who I don't think you ever gave a read on. You started off with "I don't want to be mayor" then made a couple "Why aren't people considering me for mayor/pardoner" posts. Never pushed any of your townreads to be mayor. So you were pushing against GB being mayor despite reading him as town, but were only offering yourself as an alternative. Just weren't involved in that discussion at all. And stuff like this was kinda pushing things away from Moosy. On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote: Nobody else over moosey super? On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote: I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on I also think it's weird how you keep trying to build teams around me without really pushing me too much directly. Or more like you keep calling me scum but aren't doing much to show why I'm scum. | ||
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On June 27 2016 11:05 Damdred wrote: Actually I'm not going to get hostile, while I agree phone posting is probably causing my thoughts to get more jumbled. I think my progressions on most of my reads and reasonings posted in thread are decent. My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town. While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all. So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose. I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing. Eh I can see why you and Art are saying I lightly pushed Moosy kus I wasn't around EoD to share my thoughts before the flip. Regardless of if you believe it or not Moosy was probably my first scum read because of his opening though he made a bout of posting once he stopped trolling that made me less sure and I started focusing more on my reads on you and Art. I guess it might look hypocritical outside of my PoV, but I think there is a distinct difference in how the two of us pushed/talked about Moosy. I'll let people evaluate for themselves which is more likely to come from scum. | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think what's more important is that we start smurfhunting now. Smurf is clearly a native english speaker. Only 48 hits on 'like', half of which being quotes eliminates Geript. I'd like to say that the egotisticalness displayed also eliminates Kita and Slam, and timezones kinda suggest a brit anyway. I'm kinda tempted to say holyflare but I don't think he'd have the energy to play atm. Marv and VE definitely wouldn't, at least not this way. Also too jolly to be DP. I guess HF is still the most likely? This is silly and pretty pointless and I can't imagine will ever have any value. Unless you are trying to build a case that Jean is the smurf of somebody who is this tryhard and also lynched scum D1 when he didn't have too... | ||
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So I think Jean, Super, and Art more or less as confirmed town. Tumble also said something that reminded me I should recheck EoD votes. | ||
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I'd like to look at how the votes went down kus I still find Damdred's switch right at the end with no explanation pretty interesting.... But this is looking like it's gunna be a bit of work and I don't feel like doing it right now. | ||
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On June 27 2016 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's a weird progression. There was no reasonable mayor candidate that wanted to lynch you; It was between Jean whom wanted to lynch MD and GB whom wanted to lynch Emperor at the end. There's still a case to be made for me being town if Emperor is since I voted a mayor that killed scum rather than town (even moreso if GB is scum), but it being because JVJ didn't want to kill you is not one of them. If you're talking about earlier, I voted him to kill me so we could move on, not because I set aside my read on you. I'm mostly referring to w/e post I quoted earlier that you made in EoD. | ||
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The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch. That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy. Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me. | ||
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I have to assume this is your impression of me right there. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + I don't disapprove. | ||
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On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote: Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town. So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town? While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp? | ||
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On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote: He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles. I think it's a little early to be discussing this. | ||
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On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote: I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment. I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that. Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then. I've looked through Damdred's filter multiple times now (just did it again) and I see no explanation for why Damdred went from this On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position. And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh. While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now. I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip. To this On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote: Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right? Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. + voting GB + Show Spoiler + and then to this... On June 27 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: You know a gb+tt+moosey isn't the most out there team And I literally see no mention of Jean in his filter till this On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah So stop Fucking telling me he's explained all this shit when I can't find anything that does. | ||
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Choice was elect GB and have Emp lynched or Jean and Moosy lynched. Moosy flipped goon so... easy call for scum to make there. | ||
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On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote: Is this something you genuinely believe? It's possible. I'm somewhat sleep deprived and a little frustrated atm so take it with some salt. | ||
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On June 28 2016 01:35 emperorchampion wrote: @ TT this is from Jealous' filter (cause I realized damdred has 6 pages lul) Yea see I missed this kus I was looking for his reasoning before EoD. Humm, this doesn't really explain why he waited so long to switch then... Damdred's vote onto Jean was like 5 min before EoD. For a moment I was thinking the switch happened when Jean said he'd lynch Super instead of Moosy. On June 27 2016 05:56 Jean Valjean wrote: No, if I'm lynching scum instead of baddies, I'll be killing superbia I think But it was actually just before that, basically when he posted this On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote: Lynch Tt Jean blah So I guess that does track. Humm, I'll mull this over some more and I still need to reread EoD in better detail. | ||
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On June 28 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote: It also makes a lot of sense for Damdred to move his vote to Jean if the scumteam is Moosy/Damdred/Emp. Choice was elect GB and have Emp lynched or Jean and Moosy lynched. Moosy flipped goon so... easy call for scum to make there. Well with Emp flipping Red I think I'm back to this. ##Vote: Damdred Good shit whoever was the Vig. I'm playing magic with my roommates tonight and then I have sleep to catchup on. I might read a bit as we play, but wont really be around till tomorrow. | ||
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Maybe I'll actually get caught up to find out why. | ||
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On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote: TT why'd you visit QT bro?  Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. | ||
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I'm gunna assume you are not an idiot Super and this is a reaction test? | ||
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On June 28 2016 16:17 Superbia wrote: I also rescinded my tracker claim btw. TT should be evaluated separate of that. His reaction unfortunately means little. Super can you explain to me a little bit more what you got out of your reaction test? | ||
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What about what you mentioned about Jealous earlier? | ||
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Seems like you could have pushed me a little more to really get the pressure going, but as it is despite my light responses to the claim you backed off right away. | ||
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As it stands I take it the whole play was a wash? + Show Spoiler + Eh, I think I have pretty solid reasons to think you are town, but you've succesfully gotten me a little paranoid, so if we make it far enough expect a repeat of my play from the end of the last newbie. | ||
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On June 28 2016 18:42 Superbia wrote: Currently leaning between you and damd. Need to (re-)visit both your filters. Also need to revisit Jealous/Skynx's filter. Would not be surprised it one of them was scum. Jealous... maybe. His play feels a little different from last game, but not enough to make me nervous. I'm actually like 90% sure Skynx is town. If I got pardoner I was gunna make him BG kus I felt that sure D1 and very little chance scum ever tried to kill him. | ||
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In regards to Damdred.... he came off pretty sensible about the claim and seemed to be running through all the possibilities... Which is kinda weird. Like I've been his main scumread all game and at first he was gung-ho, even said something like "Yes vindication" but later as he was discussing stuff he seemed to be coming from the PoV of me being town a lot, iirc he said it was because he thought I would probably concede in that position as scum. The interesting thing about that is I've actually played a game with Damdred where as scum I got tracked to the NK. I actually spent a shit ton of effort trying to argue and keep myself alive despite that track and it wasn't until the next phase when a cop also came forward with a red check on me that I finally came clean. Now it wasn't the exact same situation, all of my team was still alive (well 2/3, Vivax was alive but had basically decided he wasn't going to play) and I think we were only a lynch or two away from winning... but the similarities are there. The real interesting thing to me when I recall that game was that my initial reaction to that track was exactly "Welp I guess I'm a wanderer and the tracker claim is legit" Which Damdred steadily called BS on for the rest of the game and pushed me for that reaction. Here... he is considering that same thought process? Ok maybe not exactly the same, I think he was mostly arguing that one of me or super was scum here, but I still find it interesting that he put so much thought into the possibility that I was a wanderer here and that Super was making a ballsy play. Neither of which are very likely from an objective standpoint. | ||
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Everyone else I'm fairly confident in being town. There was also a comment I recall Damdred making about Emp that I thought was weird, stands out even more with Emp flipping town. Gunna see if I can find it, then I'm doing morning stuff. | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:44 Damdred wrote: Because I didn't want ec lynched, I came up with decent reasoning foe him to be town. Gb was apparently lurking and not interested in discussing the lynch. Jean makes logical sense and cares and did the right thing for town. And was here actually trying to,figure things out. I'd much rather someone who's here,figuring,out over someone who's not. Plus got a stronger town read on Jean. Ah yea this was it. Ehh weaker than I thought, but the word choice is interesting imo. Not, "I believed him to be town kus of X" or "I saw something that made me think he was town" but "came up with decent reasoning..." Sounds a lot like scum being proud of their reasoning to TR their buddy to me. | ||
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On June 28 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote: It also makes a lot of sense for Damdred to move his vote to Jean if the scumteam is Moosy/Damdred/Emp. Choice was elect GB and have Emp lynched or Jean and Moosy lynched. Moosy flipped goon so... easy call for scum to make there. This also still just makes tons of sense to me. Ok, I'll bbl. | ||
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On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote: Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements! It was hard for us all to stay motivated. Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops. But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird. As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum. Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.saltopiasalts.com/uploads/1/0/7/8/10782629/7109779_orig.jpg) Anyways, regarding this game... I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline? I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff. | ||
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Can one of you guys elaborate on that for me plz? | ||
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On June 29 2016 01:53 Damdred wrote: It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense. This is over simplifying things a bit imo. For me it's that your EoD didn't track in a lot of ways and your involvement in picking a mayor was basically nothing but a couple posts saying it should be you for one of the positions. There is the switch in your stance on Moosy from, "lets ignore him D1" to "I think he flips town, plz lynch TT" It also felt a lot like Emp was trying to defend you from my pressure during the night. Your townread on him formed basically right after GB started pressuring him, and that quote I posted earlier was weird phrasing that mighta been a scum slip + Show Spoiler + It's at least as likely to be a scum slip as the thing you were on about from Skynx None of these by themselves are terribly conclusive, but that's associative stuff with both flipped scum and just a general sense that your game is off and reads aren't tracking very well. It's a pretty solid pile of stuff that is hard to overlook. | ||
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On June 29 2016 02:16 Damdred wrote: Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress. Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought. Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position. So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh. So it wasn't a change in your opinion about GB, but that you initially agreed with lynching Emp? It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying. Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread. I'm not sure I buy this actually. On June 28 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote: Right about TT vindication ##vote ticktock On June 28 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote: Beat part was there mafia pushed d1 This looks much more like you are indeed just vindicated that your scumread got tracked to a NK. Even if you were thinking I might be town before this I doubt you were still considering it here. So it's kinda weird to me (mostly kus of that Nutcracker game I mentioned) that this was your first thought after I had reacted to Super's claim. On June 28 2016 11:29 Damdred wrote: I mean yeah there is a chance of tt being a wanderer but it's a really small chance that tt is a wanderer and he just so happened to visit the person that was nk. It's crazy if that's true I think this is kinda a weird post too. On June 28 2016 11:31 Damdred wrote: Then again he what if super is a rolecop and found out tt was a wanderer and he flips wanderer he can just go on his merry way and get not judgement because he claimed tracker. Maybe a mass claim of roles would be OK? If we have another information gathering ability with a vig and a claimed tracker we could go from there. Also if tt was mafia kinda would see him I tantly conceding to. But I kind of want a mass claim to see if wr have to many pr for it to be true. I can believe the read flip on me, the idea about Super being scum here feels wierd though (and not just kus Emp flipped Rolecop). Like I was probably the only person to really be in the position of thinking Super was scum here, and I even thought that was far fetched for him to be so ballsy and try to force a lynch when there was literally no pressure on him. I also REALLY hate that you asked for a mass claim. With a Vig and Traker claiming there is basically no chance of another blue floating around. I'm not exactly sure why you would do this as either alignment though (well besides the obv reason for scum to want to know blue roles) so... meh I guess. I can't really give you town points for exploring the possibilities of fake claims because while it's true that as scum you'd prefer to just let me get lynched and then Super for fake claiming I also doubt you'd feel comfortable as scum just sitting back and letting that happen when there is already sus on you. | ||
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On June 28 2016 06:19 Jealous wrote: Wanderer is still a possibility although unlikely. Also could have been cop? Is this really a mafia reaction to a tracker claiming to have found mafia? This is before I'd even come back to the thread. | ||
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Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought. Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position. So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh. Actually this doesn't track at all now that I relook at your posts around that time. On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote: Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking. On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote: Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote: I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him. But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today All of that is def the opposite of "At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought." | ||
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On June 29 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote: Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously. Because you claimed that you had been thinking about me being town during the night and that is why you were considering the wanderer/Super being scum stuff. Point being that you didn't really start thinking about that stuff till Jealous brought it up and after I had reacted to Super's claim. So just more of what you say not really matching up with what happened. It's possible I'm just really tunneled here, but sometimes there is light at the end of a tunnel... Also Jealous is the only other person being considered atm and I don't really think he is scum. | ||
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On June 29 2016 03:37 Damdred wrote: Tt just some friendly advice you really need to take a step back sometimes. Yea I know... Or I just need to work on getting tunneled on the right people more often... This is why I thought Art's argument for me being scum kus my reads weren't really changing was laughably bad. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/16l3zo.jpg) | ||
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On June 28 2016 11:56 Damdred wrote: Actually it's a little scary tbh, Super can claim RB for rest of game and that's why they don't kill him. It's a play I would make with that information and they could have the info 100% makes sense with how tt been playing. He's been playing like he's a power role with how he doesn't care he's a good person to check... Idk easiest and hopeful solution is tt is scum, but idk some of his interchanges with me make me think he might not be. I'm just paranoid I know but.. I was going to leave this alone and do other stuff for a bit but accidentally put this quote in another window and just ran across it. This is a very interesting opinion of my play given you've been calling me scum all game. | ||
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Typical American politics my friend. The people voted in Jean, but the Electoral Collage decided the double vote goes to Damdred... | ||
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Not much like you'd expect, but I did find a surprising amount of posts defending Emp. This one in particular is note worthy. Scum defending scum from scum? Probably not... I had the idea to look back through to see if he was defending anyone else or maybe kinda avoiding contact with anyone, but I'm not sure that effort is worth the headache. | ||
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I am pretty sure Jealous is not the last scum, you even gave a decent reason to TR him yourself (something about how he was posting reads as EoD was resolving & Moosy was getting lynched). Jean is an interesting suggestion as with the exception of Chez I think he's contributed the least today and even though I was tunneled on you I noticed his read on me flipped pretty dramatically when Super claimed after multiple times arguing about having a townlean on me. On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote: yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now. I think we just won. . and this is def pushing for mafia's best case from that On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote: So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win. The only thing that bugs me in this tinfoil Epic Bus scenario is that Emp threw his vote away along with mine on Tumble. If scum is gunna bus why not get the whole team on board? On the other hand he is in the perfect spot for scum to be sitting, I think Mayor is untraceable/uncheckable and will never be under sus for still being alive as long as BG hasn't flipped, gets an extra vote to influence mislynches, and Jean looks hella towny for having flipped the goon that obv wanted to die... ... I think I may have just talked myself into Yolo/fear lynching Jean. | ||
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On June 29 2016 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Let's lynch our mayor the day after he lynched scum. Sounds fun Tbh I think this is really just embracing the true spirit of Politics ^.^ | ||
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In the hopes of making this the best game ever. ##Vote: Jean Valijean | ||
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On June 29 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alternatively, this could be the People People plz, we can always get back to bickering and killing each other tomorrow. Today we must focus on the matter at hand, which is ruthlessly overthrowing our elected official who has done nothing but good for us because, lets face it, he was a bit of a dick. + Show Spoiler + I was gunna point out that GB will still be our pocket confirmed town until the BG is killed, and that our lynch pool would be smaller tomorrow with a NK, but mafia can hold their shot this game so we can't necessarily get maximum info. And this isn't THAT crazy, I mean I'm only flipping my read on Damdred kus of 5 words Moosy said to Damdred. We are kinda just assuming Tumble and Skynx are lock town, and this day started out with Super fake claiming Traking me to QT. I'm pretty sure this is the only | ||
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So I'm kinda realizing that if we are putting Jean under some scrutiny due to the possibility of an Epic Bus situation D1, then we should also reexamine Super as well since I think the biggest thing going for him is his push D1 on Moosy. So kinda open ended to everyone, what do you think about Super's fake claim on me today? Too ballsy for scum? Too insane for town? In particular I feel like he did not provide sufficient pressure to me to be able to really conclude that I am not scum for not having conceded (I'm actually not a fan of how much this "well he didn't concede today, must not be mafia" logic is being thrown around today...). I've shown in other games that I tend to not give up or surrender despite dire circumstances. | ||
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On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote: We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this? If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard. Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way. Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed. There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG. If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually. On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote: This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are. | ||
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He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote: yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now. I think we just won. Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night. On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote: How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures. On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote: Is this something you genuinely believe? But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops. It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated. On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote: So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win. "Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim. On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote: Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday. I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. Speaks for itself... Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art. The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool. On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote: I think mafia is most likely somewhere in: Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming. Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general. I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed. | ||
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On June 30 2016 02:33 Jealous wrote: Wouldn't this be a little too... basic? Killing the one person who suspects you (I don't think there were others or if there were, they did not make a case like this) is suspicious as all hell and when you have the pick of the litter so early in the game, I don't think Superbia would go for something so direct. My point overall here was the NK logic is pretty WIFOM. I'm not throwing out what GB said though kus it's an interesting point, just not sure it's as solid as he seems to believe. | ||
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So went to Emp's filter instead. This post gave me pause when I first saw it... On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote: For Jean Valjean: I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him. I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed: Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super: While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here: Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking. From his posts so far this is what I have seen: 1) He is admittedly not very involved 2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions 3) Very defensive posting Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses. Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above. I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me. Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read. This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game. At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really. I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts? | ||
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On June 30 2016 03:36 Superbia wrote: I think we should just do chezinu btw. =/ I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm. Is it weird that I actually highly prefer a Jean lynch to Chez? | ||
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Though tbh we have plenty of lynches to go if Jean is town. | ||
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On June 30 2016 03:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think either of you is going to flip scum regardless honestly. Damdred is never scum and you seem very unlikely to be scum as well from how the game's developed. You've gotten more and more into the game as it's progressed whereas scum has been getting trounced. That with the fakeclaim which would've given you a fine excuse to just concede, I'm quite certain you're town. What I'm hearing is that this wagon is pure as fuck and everyone should get on it... | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:12 Jean Valjean wrote: I genuinely think I am being lynched for playing like town. The only argument I've actually seen against me the one Damdred mentioned about me trying to figure out the game with incomplete information. Everyone, and I mean literally everyone, has at absolutely best skimmed every post in the game. It's much more likely people skim and skip parts of the game. I am just honest about it, because you know... I'm transparent and helpful. I like how I'm being totally ignored and your argument is basically "I'm not mafia kus I'm so clearly town" Funnily enough there is a very easy thing you could do to convince me you are in fact town, but you are not doing it... | ||
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So Jean assume this crazy town does in fact lynch you. Would you say Chez should definitely be the next lynch? | ||
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It is no wonder we have the behavioral issues we have on this site, the only way people will believe anything you say is if you become an emotional trainwreck, something I will not allow myself to do because I am trying to set an example here. Even if it means getting lynched, which I believe should be every town's #1 priority to avoid. This is ironically a very emotionally based statement. I don't think this is actually true though some people like to use emotional reactions to base their reads on. Besides "he's trying to survive" is a very valid method of scum hunting. Motivations behind posting is very much something to be considered. Now that I'm thinking about it, you've been very vocal about how Town should play ... but I'm interested in what your thinking is regarding the best method town should employ when hunting scum. | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:30 GlowingBear wrote: Stop defending yourself JVJ. Get us a lynch. I'm 100% against lynching you Is Jean just never scum for you? This is actually kinda important kus you are likely making it very far in this game. | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:34 Jean Valjean wrote: Probably Chez Possibly Artanis, but that's mostly because I don't want to live in a world where he is this bad and town. It's based on nothing but Artanis' skill level at the game. Maybe Skynx, in face of overwhelming ignorance he seems to KNOW I am town, and his contributions dropped off quite fast. I don't want to call for people's head for not being bad, but who knows. My suspicions on him is mostly based on his strong early game and weak game ever since (which might be mafia indicative). In general, I believe the game will sort of solve itself. GB is confirmed and unkillable so mafia must hunt for the bodyguard. We definitely have one unclaimed blue role so there's that too, which might help. Eh I'm pretty sure Skynx is town, but half of that is based off how he played as mafia last game. I would kinda expect Scum to be all for lynching you but I could maybe see them holding back and defending you to avoid suspicions from this kinda out there push. I'm not sure why scum!Art would go from defending Damdred to yolo pushing you, especially when he's also been hard town reading Chez. He's kinda limiting his options too much with those kinda hard townreads to be scum imo. Chez, I admit I'm not sure about. | ||
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You think Moosy is defending his scum buddy Emp from his scum buddy Damdred here? | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:53 Skynx wrote: Did you keep track of 1-day mafia? rayn was the #1 townread of everyone who turned out to be gf. I don't think its fair to disregard some1 being maf cuz if intentional aggressive or 'bullying' kinda play style being too much. This sounds like you should be considering a Jean lynch... | ||
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On June 30 2016 04:51 Tumblewood wrote: I also don't like the way that tt jumped on Jean after art brought it up. He wasn't thinking about Jean until art made a case (which was not so convincing) and then immediately jumped on him. Actually it was Damdred that brought it up. So I went from Damdred being my main scumread to teaming up with him to take down the Mayor. I'm glad that you think I'm this good as scum though. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:05 Jean Valjean wrote: Also to be honest guys, this has been an extremely high level mafia game. so far. Even now people are actively trying to figure out the game and arguing with each other in a manner that makes sense. Like, take it as a compliment, you're all doing a great job, better than I've been admitting. I will... but this also feels like pandering... Eh I wont be terribly upset if Chez gets lynched but I like my vote where it is. I'll be upset if Damdred gets lynched and flips town kus that will just mean I put a lot of effort into reading him properly for nothing. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:03 Jean Valjean wrote: What are the chances Superbia makes the fakeclaim on tictock as scum? Oh now we want to talk about this? I would have preferred some responses to my post like 4 hours ago when I asked this... On June 29 2016 22:45 Tictock wrote: Humm, I'm gunna hold off giving this game too much thought for a few more hours, but I plan to be around for EoD today. So I'm kinda realizing that if we are putting Jean under some scrutiny due to the possibility of an Epic Bus situation D1, then we should also reexamine Super as well since I think the biggest thing going for him is his push D1 on Moosy. So kinda open ended to everyone, what do you think about Super's fake claim on me today? Too ballsy for scum? Too insane for town? In particular I feel like he did not provide sufficient pressure to me to be able to really conclude that I am not scum for not having conceded (I'm actually not a fan of how much this "well he didn't concede today, must not be mafia" logic is being thrown around today...). I've shown in other games that I tend to not give up or surrender despite dire circumstances. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:12 Jean Valjean wrote: If it isn't obvious by my posting, I genuinely care about quality mafia play. Like I really, really just want to play in games where all sides try and the games end up interesting and fun. Fair enough, I can respect that. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:13 Jean Valjean wrote: People like talking to me, maybe you should put some skill points into charm and looks so you can achieve alpha status like me. Nah when you look like me you accept your fate to be a keyboard warrior. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ja7rIEr.jpg) And the bitter resentment of the pretty people is hard to let go of to be charming... | ||
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I think we just filled a page in 10 min? | ||
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I've got nothing to suggest Chez is town, I'm just not comfortable going down the path of least resistance like this. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:47 Skynx wrote: Kill Jean. My votes staying on him tbh. | ||
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Even though I'm prob just being really silly. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:51 Jean Valjean wrote: Damdred vote came out of a super long good case written by jealous. Yea but what made you suddenly bring that up 30 min before EoD rather than when you were trying to find scum out of Me/Art/Chez and Damdred. Also wasn't that case from N1? | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:57 Jean Valjean wrote: Chez is 100% gonna flip afk blue and I'm going to eat a fuckton of m&ms without chewing them so much I'm about to explode and then jump off a building and commit glorious rainbow suicide because literally fuck everything.  | ||
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On June 30 2016 06:00 Rels wrote: Silence. I'm in the middle on a forest with no network so you all might wait a while. Do not post until I or shape do Not posting till Mods post, but I'm pretty sure this means Chez is/was town. Pre-flip prepared prediction post! (which I will now and forever-more abbreviate with 4P) | ||
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Esp after that last min "Hope Chez isn't afk blue..." post. Kinda screams TMI that chez was gunna flip town to me. | ||
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On June 30 2016 06:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, uhh. A thought came to mind. Tumblewood made a tonne of sense during the game and made lots of observations that I didn't think scum would make. Them I remembered Tumblewood in the game he played with Tina as town made absolutely no sense. Kept forgetting his own reads and forged stuff that he only found later. Clearly he must be scum because he's making too much sense and is playing too well. Eh, it's possible but I think that game you are reffering to was one of Tumble's first games? His play has evolved quite a bit over time... though by that same thought it's possible he's playing a fairly solid scum game. | ||
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In the off chance I die I want you all to avenge me by lynching Jean, thank you. | ||
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On July 01 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote: ##vote Tictock Poe/still scummy If he flips scum superbia is worst player for not just sticking with the tracker claim. My god you Yo-Yo back and forth on me. Bring it. | ||
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Kinda interested in this push on Tumble. Also where are we at? 7v1 so that's 2 lynches till 3v1 Lylo right? | ||
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On July 01 2016 06:57 Jean Valjean wrote: No real reason to bring anything, just explain in detail who is mafia if you're not it? ... boring. You have some very lackadaisical scum reads, you know that? | ||
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Well while I really want Jean to be scum for the yolo plays, I'm coming around to the notion that this game probably didn't have an epic buss from scum. I'm between you and Tumble. I'm prob gunna respect Art's read on you though and get behind this Tumble push. I am interested to see if a strong push gets going on me today though. | ||
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But yea mostly PoE. And no, I'm kinda coming around on Jean probably just being town. | ||
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So you got that going for ya. ##Vote: Tumblewood Pretty sure this is actually last scum boys. | ||
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On July 01 2016 07:29 Damdred wrote: What are those two reasons? Also why did you swing on Jean your admitted top scum? I'll give you one now and one later... You never would have killed Art as scum. Kus things are prob just not that awesome, sigh. | ||
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When Art was defending him that hardcore? I doubt it. | ||
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The important thing for today is that Tumble and Damdred fight to the death. | ||
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On July 01 2016 09:04 Damdred wrote: I know I'll never convince gb of anything so I'll just jeep doing what I feel like. Its kinda interesting to me that yesterday Tt almost to me being town, then he was pre try sure I was town. Now it's I got to fight to the death with tumble when Jean was his top scum read and came around on him for little reasoning when he was so sure of him yesterday. Just funky, idk what to make of it yet. There were some things I noticed reading up through Night that kinda forced me to rethink my position on him. I'll share my reasoning why when I've settled the last bit of tinfoil I have about Jean. You are probably town Damdred, I actually think Art was right that you likely would have conceeded yesturday, and since there was always a chance you could come back under speculation I don't think you would have shot Art. He townread you and I think there were at least a couple people who still has some suspicions about him. TBH I'd bet Art was killed because he was kinda hard defending his townreads and if he was on the right track with those then he was a pain in scum's side by helping town form a better circle. Tumble has been the weakest of my townreads, his D1 was tonally on point so I kinda gave him a pass. So yea, PoE and he hits the bill for sleeper mafia. | ||
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I think I mentioned before that Emp's vote was weird when I was thinking Jean was making the epic bus. It makes sense with Tumble being scum. On June 27 2016 05:55 Rels wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount Jean Valjean (6): Artanis[Xp], Jean Valjean, MoosyDoosy, QuickTwist, Jealous, Damdred GlowingBear (4): Superbia, GlowingBear, Tumblewood, Skynx, Tumblewood (2): Tictock, emperorchampion Artanis[Xp] (1): Chezinu, Jealous (0): Superbia (0): Skynx (0): QuickTwist (0): And ofc scum tend to spread votes, but that's w/e. | ||
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On July 01 2016 12:52 GlowingBear wrote: I find hard to believe Tumblewood would vote me when I clearly stated I would lynch his rolecop It's not like scum had great options... I know Damdred's switch makes tons of sense as well from a mafia perspective. That's why we lynch him if tumble is town! | ||
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On July 01 2016 12:57 GlowingBear wrote: Moosy voted JVJ so he would be lynched instead of EC. If he did something like that we can assume Mafia team considered that EC's role was important. If Mafia team considered that EC's role was important, so we can assume that it is most likely that the last member DIDN'T vote for me day1 No offense to Moosy... But you are giving his "sacrificial" play too much credit and planning. | ||
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On July 01 2016 13:13 GlowingBear wrote: Also, this made me realise he could give the mayor role to me. Which probably makes JVJ town. I mean, if JVJ was really scum, Moosy wouldn't consider giving the mayor role to me. I'm still a little dissapointed we didn't lynch Jean yesturday, but I have to admit getting to see Chez flip did narrow the pool enough to make this game more manageable. | ||
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but I'm like 90% sure he is the last mafia, 8% Damdred playing a great game, 2% Unusual setup. I'm a Parity Cop. Checked Damdred N1, Tumble N2 with a Different result. 2% is a weird Framer/Rolecop/Goon which seems unbalanced (too town favored). or Miller situation. It's probably just as easy as Tumble. | ||
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I don't see the point in dragging this out if Tumble isn't even playing. | ||
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Tumble was the weakest of my TR's. | ||
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GG though, you mighta had a solid chance with us wanting to lynch Jean and Damdred so badly for awhile ^.^ | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:29 GlowingBear wrote: MY GOD I GAVE THE BODYGUARD TO LAST SCUM ROFL Lol that's what I was on about ^.^ Don't blame ya, I thought he was Town D1. Though I def woulda given Skynx BG. | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:31 GlowingBear wrote: At least I shot EC Yep well done. ![[image loading]](http://66.media.tumblr.com/efa914180d8df3f06c15dda637b126b4/tumblr_nogeczMv9K1tgck26o1_1280.jpg) Too bad my reads were pretty off point this game. Though I did have Moosy pegged early, I still let it go too easily >.< | ||
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On July 02 2016 10:36 Tumblewood wrote: I was roleblocker if anyone's curious tt you were actual cop right? I didn't get played by a fakeclaim did I Yea, and I figured last mafia role had to be RB. I was a littler nervous last night that there was a GF or that Jean was the last mafia and I could never check him ^.^ And I was thinking of checking Chez after Damdred, so checking you was mostly PoE. | ||
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And then right when I decide I don't want to wait any longer, you post >.< | ||
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