[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia

On June 25 2016 06:07 Skynx wrote:
Even tho having no QT sucks i so wanted to roll mafia this game cuz all the possible Allahu Akbar mechanics.
Shame

On June 25 2016 06:08 Skynx wrote:
How you doing Super? How was work

On June 25 2016 06:09 Skynx wrote:

Use my charm to get that bodyguard role to sneak a remote under mayors car.

On June 25 2016 06:11 Skynx wrote:

Worked for you last time

On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote:


No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO.

On June 25 2016 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

GOTEM BOYS

On June 25 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't know if we are. With 8/11 odds, they are in our favour, but time will tell.

On June 25 2016 06:50 Damdred wrote:
Hi, pretend this is a good post.

Ty will be serious later

On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI, I'm town

Makes me mayor

On June 25 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm not going to run for mayor I would be happy if I was elected. My main goal is to be town read and get people who I have reads on in the important positions.

That's why every person who is up for a position should give a read list that's updated so we can see logical reason I,g and why they wish to choose their candidates. Unlike cell where we can really publish the mayor we have limited options here.

So we have to take responsibility for it.

Now any questions before I go look in the so am to see if anything interested happened

On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote:
I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out.

On June 25 2016 07:08 Skynx wrote:

I dunno yet, in case that was a srs question

For fluff, im never lynching you til mylo ever again...

On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:


Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?

On June 25 2016 07:16 Skynx wrote:

Man zzz cuz i went against my instincts in 1day and we lost. You were also giving away stuff about Vivax on HF game. Basically I kill your teammates first then you.

If you're mafia that is, which i dunno yet.

On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:


I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?

On June 25 2016 07:22 QuickTwist wrote:


Why do you think its weird to not have a read on you so early? What is wrong with the hypothetical Skynx put forth?

Why do you say its weird what Skynx is doing so early? It looks like you are the one taking things too seriously at this point.

On June 25 2016 07:27 Skynx wrote:

I'm not gona stay awake if u gona be like this. Ahwell, yeh you will have your reads when the time is right.

On June 25 2016 07:41 QuickTwist wrote:
This site is a little funny, a lot of jokes happen here early and that is mixed with some serious comments, which is weird to me. Not sure I like the vernacular too.

On June 25 2016 07:46 QuickTwist wrote:


Just a general comment.

On June 25 2016 19:54 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hello

I am unfortunately not going to be able to contribute heavily today. I will do my best to get a chance to read the game and I will probably focus on the first few hours of posting.

I am more just popping by to let you guys know I am alive and have no intention of getting replaced or modkilled, despite the fact that my start will be slower than I would have preferred.

To me I have two acceptable outcomes this cycle. The preferred outcome is that I actually find something that's worth chasing and put my vote there, but a very reasonable alternative that is probably more likely to happen is that I find someone I strongly believe to be town, and lend my vote to whatever his or hers cause is.

I'm looking forward to talking to you all and playing with you.

On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote:


Almost caughtup.

I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous.

On June 25 2016 23:01 Tictock wrote:
If you're still around Super...

What stands out to you about Jealous's post? Or maybe, what about Jin's gives you townfeels?

On June 25 2016 09:19 QuickTwist wrote:


You are assuming I can't change my mind very quickly, which again is based on your assumption of how I play. The truth is you have no fucking clue what my reasoning is, which, let me tell you, is something I have heard many many times, most of which has ended up with people being suspicious of me for people not understanding my reasoning. I can and do change my mind at the drop of a hat.. you are assuming that I am a normal rational human being that acts logically more often than not. So while that argument works on most people, it is just wrong in my case. I know I am going to take heat for saying all this, and it might end up with my lynch day 1 because people are so wrapped up in their assumptions in thinking I play X way as Town. Its really fucking annoying when people make false assumption on the way I play this game when it ends in my lynch because people don't fucking understand me.

All I ask is that you ask me questions about how I play and if I can't get you to see that I might be a little different in my perspective on how I play, then its on me.

On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote:


Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring.

Good shit.

On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote:
I want to chat Superbia.

I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town?

On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote:


Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking.

Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it.

On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads.

On June 26 2016 20:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see.

On June 26 2016 20:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Why not? You called me super town

On June 26 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

There is a chance. Mostly I just want him out of the game if he's going to be a dick.

That feels like really weak reasoning. Surely what matters is their reasoning and not their read? What in their reasoning resonated or made you doubt?

On June 26 2016 20:16 Jean Valjean wrote:
I would like to remind everyone that I am running for Mayor. I am absolutely certain I am the best person to hold the office. In order to help my bid here is a quick summary of my reads and reasons for them:

Skynx: (Strongly Leaning Town)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806208
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807441

QT: (Strongly Leaning Town)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806666

Ticktock: (Leaning Town)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807806

Emperor: (Null, At least one reason to townlean)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806640

Tumblewood: (True Null)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806659

Damdred: (Null, At least one reason to townlean)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806208

Superbia: (Null, at least one reason to scumlean)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806257
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807405

Artanis: (Strongly Leaning Scum)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806614
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807441
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807474
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807584

On June 26 2016 20:21 Jean Valjean wrote:
I will deliberately ignore Moosy and Chezinu for now. While my time is limited I think it is better spent reading people who are actually attempting to play the game. I hope they get checked at some point just to relieve me of the headache of figuring them out.

That means I just have a few more filters to go through before the end of the day. I very much think GB is someone that needs to be looked into, and then there's Jelaous who I don't even remember posting at all.

On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote:


Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment

I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that?

Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia.

On June 26 2016 20:30 Jean Valjean wrote:


I do not care how you play town. I care about how I want you to play town and how I know you're capable of playing town. I want you to summarize, be decisive and push not because I think that's your town meta, but because I think that is the best way you can be useful to the game if you are indeed town.

There's very few things I care less about than your own sense of "my town meta".

On June 26 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote:


That is because I cannot accurately evaluate your alignment until you've provided me with material to work with. No I not think you're town, but I'm also not sold on you being mafia. If your contributions remain to just not do anything and not commit to figuring out the game, then I will be forced to make the call based on more vague evidence.

So yes, currently i'm judging some kind of a vague idea of how smart, sophisticated and analytical I think you can be against what is the reality this game. It's less about tone or meta, and more about just the very content of your posts, and the thought process behind them. Currently I see a player I consider smart and definitely capable of being useful wasting that talent and making no conclusions from it. If that is all I get from you, so be it. If I am wrong because you simply wanted to keep intact some bullshit meta, then so be it too.

See, I know the TL meta lets people get away with being lazy, useless and bad. But I'm not here to adhere to anyone else's meta, I'm building my own.

On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia.
I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia.
##Vote Jean Valjean

On June 27 2016 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum.

On June 27 2016 00:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think he's likely town and if he is, mafia will likely want to kill him.

On June 27 2016 00:21 Damdred wrote:


Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town.

And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today.

I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous.

And yes the game can just be that simple meh.

On June 27 2016 00:24 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, what are your reads?

On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote:
Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all?

I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum

On June 27 2016 00:29 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok but I need townreads

We have to decide the mayor and the pardonner

On June 27 2016 00:32 GlowingBear wrote:


Mayor needs to be me.
Why not me?

On June 27 2016 00:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Lol.

TT/Super/one of the AFK's. Calling it.

On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote:
And since I did not, why am I not hard defending you for credz?

On June 27 2016 00:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Getting called out for TMI?

On June 27 2016 01:33 GlowingBear wrote:


I promise I will not prioritise my reads over your reads.

But are you ok with lynching EC?

On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:


This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it.

On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote:


I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI.

On June 27 2016 04:12 GlowingBear wrote:


EC, but I'll vote another player if townies are against it

On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote:


This is the last post of the day for me.

1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own.
2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not.

Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post.

Why this is a Scummy post is because:
1) Its one of the longer posts you have made
2) You are fabricating reads
3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with
4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are.

On June 27 2016 04:20 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't think his thoughts on Jean Valjean redeems himself. He just tried to show effort but did nothing with the information he dropped. He isn't commenting on ongoing stuff whatsoever. I have plenty of reasons to lynch him

On June 27 2016 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm also still mildly against an EC lynch since my cursory glance at his other game he played showed some similarities iirc.

On June 27 2016 04:35 Damdred wrote:
My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super.

I have Tt as scum.

Jealous as a lower null

Super US falling

Ec is a higher null

Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all

On June 27 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote:
You've had some really really weird posts super, you haven't been reading the thread closely asking for repeated answers to,things answered the previous page.

Its just weird tbh couplers with your Kong absences I can't keep you locked town.

On June 27 2016 05:56 Jean Valjean wrote:

No, if I'm lynching scum instead of baddies, I'll be killing superbia I think

On June 27 2016 05:58 Jean Valjean wrote:

I think you're mafia.

I don't think moosy is mafia.

On June 27 2016 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Him being wrong on you wouldn't make him mafia though. He was wrong on me for a long time.

On June 27 2016 06:10 Jean Valjean wrote:
Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going.

On June 27 2016 17:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're having the opposite read development as town which is weird to begin with, but you also said when I asked you earlier why you were less certain on me that it was because other people were scumreading me, yet your townread was strongest when I was still being scumread by many.

And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd.

On June 27 2016 17:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster?

As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that.

On June 27 2016 19:01 Jean Valjean wrote:

You mean the dirty peasants? We elected officials try to minimize our contact with them.

On June 27 2016 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is making most of my reads based on how people interact with me egocentric? I wonder.

On June 27 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'd like your insight on who the smurf is though

On June 27 2016 19:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I really don't like this. Many people had weak/dismissive reads on Moosy. I never even commented on the guy other than being okay with his lynch without really thinking he was likely to flip mafia. I also think they're both capable of misreading one another and continuing to do so.

On June 27 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

It's definitey not Supersoft, he wasn't as jolly and his ego was bigger. I apologize to whomever it is for even comparing the two.

On June 28 2016 06:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You always go to bed so early.
I don't trust it.

On June 28 2016 14:08 Skynx wrote:

TT>Super if flips town>Damdred?
Or you can just pewpew Damdred anyway if you feel like it.

On June 28 2016 14:51 Damdred wrote:


Yeah you would you were in the Poe of half the game.

On June 28 2016 14:52 Damdred wrote:
I mean really though it's a compliment I think so highly of your scum game. I could see you doing that play.

On June 28 2016 03:49 Skynx wrote:
Fully caught up now. Here's a list.

Full town: GB, JVJ, TT, Super
Sort of town: Jealous, Tumble, QT
Null: Chez
Sort of scum: (tempted to put Chez here)
Super scum: emp, Art, Damdred

GB, JVJ and Super are obvious towns for me I don't see a reason to scumread them at all. TT is there because he's thinking exactly the same way with me about Art/Damdred/emp and town should stay united.
Jealous is less town cuz he's a bit more difficult to read this game, I've skipped couple of his posts, have to re-read later on but nothing sticking out in particular.
Tumble was as afk as me in last 24h so I'd give him some objective discredit for that. Otherwise I like his posts.
QT needs to start playing good but I think there is no way he's in a mafia set up with Moosy as his teammate.
Chez is super afk, odds are not good on him. Still yet to post anything of a candy's value this game.

I'm super certain there is at least one mafia between last three. More leaning on Damdred compared to other two only by a thread. I think he should be our lynch tomorrow.

On June 28 2016 15:48 Jealous wrote:

No.

On June 28 2016 16:01 Skynx wrote:
Anyway, since your claim is fake I've no other vote than Damdred right now. Game is over if we lynch him. In fact just straight up lynch me day after if he flips town that's how confident I am.

On June 28 2016 18:29 Tictock wrote:


Super can you explain to me a little bit more what you got out of your reaction test?

On June 28 2016 18:52 Tictock wrote:


Jealous... maybe. His play feels a little different from last game, but not enough to make me nervous.

I'm actually like 90% sure Skynx is town. If I got pardoner I was gunna make him BG kus I felt that sure D1 and very little chance scum ever tried to kill him.

On June 29 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote:
I don't think I'll escape the Lynch today and for the re order n this situation I would just concede, it's way to bm to waste everyone's time when I just can't win anyway.

Anyway jealous case is actually bad.

1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses.

You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with.

And generally besides with ec I've been right this game

2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum.

3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force.

4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info.

5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later.

Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion.

A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum.

Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town.

On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:



Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.

On June 27 2016 04:35 Damdred wrote:
My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super.

I have Tt as scum.

Jealous as a lower null

Super US falling

Ec is a higher null

Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all