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A vote for Superbia is a vote to annihilate scum. A vote for Superbia is a vote for NO MERCY | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:07 Skynx wrote: Even tho having no QT sucks i so wanted to roll mafia this game cuz all the possible Allahu Akbar mechanics. Shame Such as? What was a plan you had as mafia? | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:08 Skynx wrote: How you doing Super? How was work Great since it is now weekend. Work was fine. Also pretty happy with my pm. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:09 Skynx wrote: Use my charm to get that bodyguard role to sneak a remote under mayors car. Except that we should not reveal the bodyguard and let pardoner decide. And you'd be instantly outed as mafia. Interesting plan. x; | ||
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Ya but that game came down to literally 1 vote so getting shot was statistically a great result for me. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote: No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO. Wow what now? Am I scum? o; | ||
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Multitasking 2hard. Wut'sup Artanis my fellow Dutchman. Is there only room for 1 person from the Netherlands or are we aligned? | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't know if we are. With 8/11 odds, they are in our favour, but time will tell. Want to take a chance and start the EU right here? :D | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:50 Damdred wrote: Hi, pretend this is a good post. Ty will be serious later Cool make it quick ty. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:48 GlowingBear wrote: OHAI, I'm town Makes me mayor Do you want to bear that responsibility? | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote: I'm not going to run for mayor I would be happy if I was elected. My main goal is to be town read and get people who I have reads on in the important positions. That's why every person who is up for a position should give a read list that's updated so we can see logical reason I,g and why they wish to choose their candidates. Unlike cell where we can really publish the mayor we have limited options here. So we have to take responsibility for it. Now any questions before I go look in the so am to see if anything interested happened That's cool. Why take a backseat? Also, gimme a yolo townread or a yolo mafiaread. :D You don't have to elaborate on it right now. | ||
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On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out. Who'd you lynch? | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:08 Skynx wrote: I dunno yet, in case that was a srs question For fluff, im never lynching you til mylo ever again... For fluff? What? Why? | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke? No? Maybe he had an idea or direction. | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:16 Skynx wrote: Man zzz cuz i went against my instincts in 1day and we lost. You were also giving away stuff about Vivax on HF game. Basically I kill your teammates first then you. If you're mafia that is, which i dunno yet. Kinda weird to bring this up this early. Feels like some weird reason to dodge giving a read on me. x: I do expect you to give a read on me during d1 since you played with me as me being both town and scum. | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something? Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:22 QuickTwist wrote: Why do you think its weird to not have a read on you so early? What is wrong with the hypothetical Skynx put forth? Why do you say its weird what Skynx is doing so early? It looks like you are the one taking things too seriously at this point. Why are you defending skynx? x; | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:27 Skynx wrote: I'm not gona stay awake if u gona be like this. Ahwell, yeh you will have your reads when the time is right. Lolol. I'm going to stay awake long either way. And good. | ||
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On June 25 2016 07:41 QuickTwist wrote: This site is a little funny, a lot of jokes happen here early and that is mixed with some serious comments, which is weird to me. Not sure I like the vernacular too. Is all of this directed at me? :D | ||
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I feel like you're different from last game. Is that just me or do you agree to a degree? (wow poetry) | ||
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On June 25 2016 19:54 Jean Valjean wrote: Hello I am unfortunately not going to be able to contribute heavily today. I will do my best to get a chance to read the game and I will probably focus on the first few hours of posting. I am more just popping by to let you guys know I am alive and have no intention of getting replaced or modkilled, despite the fact that my start will be slower than I would have preferred. To me I have two acceptable outcomes this cycle. The preferred outcome is that I actually find something that's worth chasing and put my vote there, but a very reasonable alternative that is probably more likely to happen is that I find someone I strongly believe to be town, and lend my vote to whatever his or hers cause is. I'm looking forward to talking to you all and playing with you. Have you played mafia before? | ||
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Town: - Art - TW - QT Almost there: - Chez - TT - Jin Valjean - Damdred - GB (least sure) Somewhere: - EC - Skynx On their way out of here: - Moosy - Jealous | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote: Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. | ||
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On June 25 2016 23:01 Tictock wrote: If you're still around Super... What stands out to you about Jealous's post? Or maybe, what about Jin's gives you townfeels? Not ready to disclose the details of either of those reads yet, I want to see what they both do respectively first and then take it from there. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:19 QuickTwist wrote: You are assuming I can't change my mind very quickly, which again is based on your assumption of how I play. The truth is you have no fucking clue what my reasoning is, which, let me tell you, is something I have heard many many times, most of which has ended up with people being suspicious of me for people not understanding my reasoning. I can and do change my mind at the drop of a hat.. you are assuming that I am a normal rational human being that acts logically more often than not. So while that argument works on most people, it is just wrong in my case. I know I am going to take heat for saying all this, and it might end up with my lynch day 1 because people are so wrapped up in their assumptions in thinking I play X way as Town. Its really fucking annoying when people make false assumption on the way I play this game when it ends in my lynch because people don't fucking understand me. All I ask is that you ask me questions about how I play and if I can't get you to see that I might be a little different in my perspective on how I play, then its on me. Rereading I actually really don't like this post. Very very angry that Artanis is pushing him (while he is even being townread and defended by others). For what reason? | ||
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On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote: Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? | ||
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I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game. Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency. Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed? Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? | ||
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I'll probably develop my own read as the game progresses but idk how to approach them d1. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote: I want to chat Superbia. I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote: Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. He can't be wrong town? | ||
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TT/Jean, how do you feel about the other? | ||
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On June 26 2016 19:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Still my strongest scumread. Nothing in our exchange made me really reconsider. Asking about who I'd vote for mayor feels like a useless question too, not sure what he was planning on getting out of that when I had already posted my reads. Do you feel like scum are wagoning you right now? Both TT and Jean now think you are scum. Are they both mafia aligning? | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eh, you seem to be certain on me being town. Damdred is too afaik and Chez has voted me. That's a start of 4. Tumble also seems to be coming around to me so we'll see. I'm not voting you. x; | ||
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There are towns that doubt you, which makes me question my read to a degree. Also I would make a way better president. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: There is a chance. Mostly I just want him out of the game if he's going to be a dick. That feels like really weak reasoning. Surely what matters is their reasoning and not their read? What in their reasoning resonated or made you doubt? Enough not to vote for you for president. Surely you would not be comfortable voting someone for president who's read scum by half the players. You're a subject to be studied. ;p | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:16 Jean Valjean wrote: I would like to remind everyone that I am running for Mayor. I am absolutely certain I am the best person to hold the office. In order to help my bid here is a quick summary of my reads and reasons for them: Skynx: (Strongly Leaning Town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806208 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807441 QT: (Strongly Leaning Town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806666 Ticktock: (Leaning Town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807806 Emperor: (Null, At least one reason to townlean) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806640 Tumblewood: (True Null) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806659 Damdred: (Null, At least one reason to townlean) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806208 Superbia: (Null, at least one reason to scumlean) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806257 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807405 Artanis: (Strongly Leaning Scum) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25806614 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807441 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807474 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25807584 Man, your read on me is superweak. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:21 Jean Valjean wrote: I will deliberately ignore Moosy and Chezinu for now. While my time is limited I think it is better spent reading people who are actually attempting to play the game. I hope they get checked at some point just to relieve me of the headache of figuring them out. That means I just have a few more filters to go through before the end of the day. I very much think GB is someone that needs to be looked into, and then there's Jelaous who I don't even remember posting at all. 2nd person to say he's fine with ignoring moosy. Cool. And then you ping out jealous. Right after you say you want to go after people who are actually playing the game. | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:25 Jean Valjean wrote: Hence, your primary category is "Null". If you would like for me to change my read on you, start finding mafia and you shall be swiftly rewarded. Go through someone's filter, build a case. You're not pushing anyone, you're not doing anything decisive. Even if I'm completely wrong on Artanis, I'm building a case, presenting evidence and pushing things forward in a way that will help the game. You're at best on the sidelines asking marginally relevant questions and providing uninteresting oneliners about people's alignment I barely even know who you think is mafia or who you want to lynch, yet you're a candidate for the mayoral office? How do you expect to win votes like that? Convince me on something, hell convince me Artanis is town, and I'll gladly throw my vote behind you. But as of now you deserve very little. You have 5 pages of filter and I can't even remember you calling anyone strongly mafia. By the way you talked about me suggests that you know my meta. Tell me, is any of what you have said reminiscent of how I play town? x; | ||
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On June 26 2016 20:30 Jean Valjean wrote: I do not care how you play town. I care about how I want you to play town and how I know you're capable of playing town. I want you to summarize, be decisive and push not because I think that's your town meta, but because I think that is the best way you can be useful to the game if you are indeed town. There's very few things I care less about than your own sense of "my town meta". Can I conclude from this is that you think I'm town? I'm basically asking you "how are you evaluating my alignment?" and you're answering with "this is how I want you to play". | ||
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On June 26 2016 21:37 Jean Valjean wrote: That is because I cannot accurately evaluate your alignment until you've provided me with material to work with. No I not think you're town, but I'm also not sold on you being mafia. If your contributions remain to just not do anything and not commit to figuring out the game, then I will be forced to make the call based on more vague evidence. So yes, currently i'm judging some kind of a vague idea of how smart, sophisticated and analytical I think you can be against what is the reality this game. It's less about tone or meta, and more about just the very content of your posts, and the thought process behind them. Currently I see a player I consider smart and definitely capable of being useful wasting that talent and making no conclusions from it. If that is all I get from you, so be it. If I am wrong because you simply wanted to keep intact some bullshit meta, then so be it too. See, I know the TL meta lets people get away with being lazy, useless and bad. But I'm not here to adhere to anyone else's meta, I'm building my own. I think you're town, slightly annoying, and wrong on Artanis. | ||
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I want to lynch: Moosydoosy | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm very tired of everyone tunneling onto me for poor reasoning and twisting everything I say to fit the view that they've already created on me and never reconsider. Just lynch me D1 so that you can get to actually finding mafia. I'd advise looking into TT and the people who have been fairly absent. Maaybe Superbia. As for Jean, I've already told you exactly why I think TT is mafia. ##Vote Jean Valjean You want to put the person in power who wants to kill you? .. seriously? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah. Then he can stop tunneling me and I can get out of the game where half the game is tunneling me, forcing them to actually hunt for scum. Why do you want to put the person in power who is at best wrong? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think he's likely town and if he is, mafia will likely want to kill him. Rly? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:21 Damdred wrote: Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town. And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today. I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous. And yes the game can just be that simple meh. Now TT shows up in your read? Why do you want to lynch jealous? Why not read into the Artanis wagon, who is your top town and go from there? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:24 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia, what are your reads? Unsure on Damdred. Very unsure on Art given his last few posts, though I'm prone to stick with my earlier read on him (which is town). By proxy I'm also iffy on TT. He has been more aggro this game than I expect from him d1. Outside of those interesting players I would say: Moosy should die. EC should die. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote: Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all? I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum I just think your read should've taken a different direction x: | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:29 GlowingBear wrote: Ok but I need townreads We have to decide the mayor and the pardonner Mayor = me. Pardonner can be tumble or jean. | ||
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I actually have no idea what your (or chez, for that matter) meta are. I'm kind of avoiding directly reading either of you for now and seeing how the game lines up (and in what alignment you'd fit). So no way, Joseph. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lol. TT/Super/one of the AFK's. Calling it. Really now? Why? Why did I not hop on your wagon if I was mafia? | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:35 Superbia wrote: And since I did not, why am I not hard defending you for credz? | ||
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Why? I think I had pretty decent reasons to call you town. Oh well. Do what you want. | ||
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I'd be okay with making your either pres or pardoner if it's true tbh. I may be a bit too selfish with this president thing either way. | ||
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On June 27 2016 01:33 GlowingBear wrote: I promise I will not prioritise my reads over your reads. But are you ok with lynching EC? Yes. | ||
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Better bring something good to the table x; | ||
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On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote: This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it. Why? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote: I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI. AI? uwut? How does it make me scum? Also what does it mean for damdred's alignment? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:12 GlowingBear wrote: EC, but I'll vote another player if townies are against it I'm not entirely sure tbh. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote: This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are. Or it just explains my thought process and why I'm at odds with reading Damdred. If that was my only read then it'd be scummy, but I have a pretty clear stance on most people I do believe. 1. Yes. 2. ??? no? 3. Okay? NAI for me. 4. Could be. But is this really the pinnacle of my activity today? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:20 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think his thoughts on Jean Valjean redeems himself. He just tried to show effort but did nothing with the information he dropped. He isn't commenting on ongoing stuff whatsoever. I have plenty of reasons to lynch him What do you think of Jean as pardoner? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm also still mildly against an EC lynch since my cursory glance at his other game he played showed some similarities iirc. The one where he was mafia? x; | ||
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EC you gotta step it up if you're town. x: | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:35 Damdred wrote: My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super. I have Tt as scum. Jealous as a lower null Super US falling Ec is a higher null Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all If you're town you really need to work on your read on me. x; | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote: You've had some really really weird posts super, you haven't been reading the thread closely asking for repeated answers to,things answered the previous page. Its just weird tbh couplers with your Kong absences I can't keep you locked town. Oh well. What are Kong absences btw? | ||
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Idk. Jealous' reaction was okay-ish. About what I expect from his town-self. Maybe not preferred lynch today. See how he plays tomorrow when he has time. Going to sleep. night. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:56 Jean Valjean wrote: No, if I'm lynching scum instead of baddies, I'll be killing superbia I think If this guy lynches me literally lynch him tomorrow. No fucking questions asked. | ||
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This is the guy you all want as pres. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:58 Jean Valjean wrote: I think you're mafia. I don't think moosy is mafia. Then lynch me and agree to get lynched tomorrow. I fucking dare you. | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Him being wrong on you wouldn't make him mafia though. He was wrong on me for a long time. If you're town then he has been 100% wrong this game. | ||
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On June 27 2016 06:10 Jean Valjean wrote: Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going. What a jooooke. But sure. | ||
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Maaaybe Artanis. | ||
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On June 27 2016 17:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're having the opposite read development as town which is weird to begin with, but you also said when I asked you earlier why you were less certain on me that it was because other people were scumreading me, yet your townread was strongest when I was still being scumread by many. And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. Or you know, other reasons. I am leaning one way on you in the spectrum. I feel your play yesterday was surprisingly meh. Not the stuff people scumread you for, but your interactions with Jean. Also you EoD joining Jean on his push on me was also superlame. Like I kind of understand how your read formed but it's just bad. If you really want to we can fight about this tomorrow, but it's probably a waste of time. The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). Evaluate on the Moosy flip. Is me bussing the most likely scenario? | ||
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On June 27 2016 17:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster? As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that. That he literally bullied you into voting him. His two scum reads were you and me (iirc). And I was generally townread at the time he came around. I'm just very annoyed that people voted him even though his (scum) reads were (probably) actually pretty shit. Especially you. He hard scumread you and he had a null/scumlean on me. And I was one of the only persons who was not going with the scumArtanis flow. It boggles my mind man. Anyway I will reveal what I think on the morrow but tbh I don't expect it to make it. :D | ||
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You lynched my mafia instead. Good shit and good call. We can talk about mafia meta all day but ultimately it's irrelevant. The fact is that I find mafia as town, regardless of how lazy I am. As a result, I have no reason to change my gameplay until I start being very wrong. | ||
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Pretend I'm town tomorrow and let's see where that gets us? | ||
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My solution is to be right so much that people will just automatically sheep me (half-joke). :D | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:01 Jean Valjean wrote: You mean the dirty peasants? We elected officials try to minimize our contact with them. We may be friends after all. | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Is making most of my reads based on how people interact with me egocentric? I wonder. Don't worry. I think there are at least 2 egos bigger than yours this game. | ||
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- Both had a weak/dismissive read on Moosy. - They are both good enough players that one of them would've noticed if they were both town. | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like your insight on who the smurf is though Honestly idk. I've played too little with HF. I've never played with SuperSoft. I do kind of like HF as the smurf. | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I really don't like this. Many people had weak/dismissive reads on Moosy. I never even commented on the guy other than being okay with his lynch without really thinking he was likely to flip mafia. I also think they're both capable of misreading one another and continuing to do so. Hmm. I tend to disagree for now. I think there is a chance that it's TvT, but it needs to be explored more thoroughly. We'll see what they bring tomorrow. | ||
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On June 27 2016 19:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's definitey not Supersoft, he wasn't as jolly and his ego was bigger. I apologize to whomever it is for even comparing the two. It's Koshi. /s | ||
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On June 28 2016 06:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You always go to bed so early. I don't trust it. I wake up at 7 x; I prefer to sleep at 10 but I really wanted to see night result. | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:08 Skynx wrote: TT>Super if flips town>Damdred? Or you can just pewpew Damdred anyway if you feel like it. Didn't you think I was supertown yesterday? Am I misremembering? | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:51 Damdred wrote: Yeah you would you were in the Poe of half the game. Dude did even look at my d1 reads? I scumread both moosy and EC. Even though pretty much no one was scumreading them. I hard supported GB who wanted to lynch EC. | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:52 Damdred wrote: I mean really though it's a compliment I think so highly of your scum game. I could see you doing that play. Meh I'll take it as a compliment. Like if I lived through the night I was going to claim tracker on EC visting the nk target more than likely. It was a set play I already wanted to do. Then EC flips roleclop and it's like 9v1 so balance wise there's probably a godfather left (likely). So I can't claim cop. So I claim tracker in the hopes that: 1. TT is the scum. 2. TT did the NK. Unfortunately it doesn't get us too much info on TT now. I think if he was both of those things he would've conceded, which is what I was playing towards. I think Jealous' reaction (iirc) may have showcased TMI if TT is just town. | ||
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On June 28 2016 03:49 Skynx wrote: Fully caught up now. Here's a list. Full town: GB, JVJ, TT, Super Sort of town: Jealous, Tumble, QT Null: Chez Sort of scum: (tempted to put Chez here) Super scum: emp, Art, Damdred GB, JVJ and Super are obvious towns for me I don't see a reason to scumread them at all. TT is there because he's thinking exactly the same way with me about Art/Damdred/emp and town should stay united. Jealous is less town cuz he's a bit more difficult to read this game, I've skipped couple of his posts, have to re-read later on but nothing sticking out in particular. Tumble was as afk as me in last 24h so I'd give him some objective discredit for that. Otherwise I like his posts. QT needs to start playing good but I think there is no way he's in a mafia set up with Moosy as his teammate. Chez is super afk, odds are not good on him. Still yet to post anything of a candy's value this game. I'm super certain there is at least one mafia between last three. More leaning on Damdred compared to other two only by a thread. I think he should be our lynch tomorrow. -> Wants to lynch me now. | ||
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Not so sure about that. x; | ||
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On June 28 2016 16:01 Skynx wrote: Anyway, since your claim is fake I've no other vote than Damdred right now. Game is over if we lynch him. In fact just straight up lynch me day after if he flips town that's how confident I am. Why? | ||
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On June 28 2016 18:29 Tictock wrote: Super can you explain to me a little bit more what you got out of your reaction test? Not a rescind :'( | ||
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You could still be scum not delivering the night KP so it was iffy to begin with (esp since I asked for cop/tracker on you or art). I had to be completely correct. I needed the day to continue asap bc I want to win today. | ||
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Also need to revisit Jealous/Skynx's filter. Would not be surprised it one of them was scum. | ||
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A tracker fakeclaim is already super iffy because even if you get scum, it still does not guarantee that they performed the NK. As such, they would instantly know it's a fakeclaim and it's a waste of time. As for Damdred or whomever's reaction, it's pretty WIFOM. Mafia can jump on the wagon or keep back and wait or w/e. I don't know anyone's meta enough to read into that. That'd be super duper tryhard. Jealous' reaction was kinda TMIy tho. Last time I will hopefully repeat this. ;p | ||
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On June 28 2016 18:52 Tictock wrote: Jealous... maybe. His play feels a little different from last game, but not enough to make me nervous. I'm actually like 90% sure Skynx is town. If I got pardoner I was gunna make him BG kus I felt that sure D1 and very little chance scum ever tried to kill him. Yeh I have some reasons to think skynx is town, but I want to revisit his filter. | ||
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Interestingly enough one of the main reasons I suspected damdred early early d1 is because I thought he was likely mafia if moosy was mafia. x; | ||
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Maybe even more. | ||
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On June 29 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote: I don't think I'll escape the Lynch today and for the re order n this situation I would just concede, it's way to bm to waste everyone's time when I just can't win anyway. Anyway jealous case is actually bad. 1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses. You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with. And generally besides with ec I've been right this game 2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum. 3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force. 4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info. 5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later. Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion. A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum. Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town. Wait you're conceding? Or am I reading your post wrong? | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:35 Damdred wrote: My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super. I have Tt as scum. Jealous as a lower null Super US falling Ec is a higher null Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all Elaborate on this damdred. Why was this enough to give EC a pass? | ||
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I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm. | ||
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I've been sheeping Artanis on Chezinu but idk. It's either chez or Damdred. I don't think I want to yolo lynch Jean today. | ||
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On June 30 2016 03:39 Tictock wrote: Is it weird that I actually highly prefer a Jean lynch to Chez? No. I can maybe see it. It's just a very risky play. x; | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:03 Jean Valjean wrote: What are the chances Superbia makes the fakeclaim on tictock as scum? It'd explain why I was 100% correct on 2/3 scum without making silly long posts. ;p | ||
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I genuinely think Damdred would've conceded by now and I think the rest is decently town. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm like 99.9999% certain he's town. I'd probably make bets if it were allowed Yeh but then who is scum if chez isn't? Jean? TT? :s | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:24 Damdred wrote: 0 decent reasons from the peanut gallery still Your reads on flipped mafia dude. They felt so forced. z_z Your interaction with moosy was also so bad. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:26 Damdred wrote: If people actually read my posts without skipping them they would know where I stand so far. That is to jean and super. As for you super wrong doesn't mean mafia in the ec case, and if you would check any game I was in you would see I use the exact same rules as always with moosey. I can't overlook it dude. I think your posts and activity have been townie but if chez isn't scum then last mafia is playing super well or it's jean with a yolobus. | ||
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Chez is super afk/kinda trolly after scum got annihilated. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:28 Jean Valjean wrote: I admit there's a part of me that just wants to reward Jealous with his superbly written and constructed case with a lynch, with almost no regard how the flip will be. And my reservations on lynching Damdred are mostly tone-based, so maybe I'm just wrong and bad. I don't know, Chez or Damdred, both could be the final mafia. I think Artanis is far less likely than before. If both of these fail then it's possibly tictock, I think I'm not forgetting anyone else. But I really just think it has to be Chez or Damdred. I don't think it's ever Art, but he may be playing insane scum. Either way he can't be touched till lylo. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:29 Damdred wrote: So you've never read a mafia as town? Cool story bro Ofc I did. It's not that you read them town, it's that you gave moosy a "pass" (and that he said "hey damd, I'm the godfather" and your reponsive was awkward) and that your read on EC seemed forced. Why so defensive when I'm voting chez? | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:29 Jean Valjean wrote: super well AND it's jean with a yolobus If I'm scum this is an academy award deserving performance. If you're scum then your team got super-annihilated (partially thanks to you) and you'll lose. It'd be a good attempt but probably no. x: | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:33 Jean Valjean wrote: well personal play, I guess. The posting part Yeah It'd also mean I'm completely retarded, but that's fine. Nothing new ;p | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:36 Damdred wrote: Because you are ignoring every aspect of my gameplay and shoe horning everything into two things. 1) A policy I use in ever game I've played with him for awhile. 2) Not wanting to Lynch someone based off a paranoia post that everyone did. It's just bad reasoning really. Maybe. We'll see what happens at lynch. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:46 Jean Valjean wrote: I'm paranoid and nervous. I'm gonna go away until deadline I think, it's driving me nuts being here. switched back to chez. Where the ego at? | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:50 GlowingBear wrote: KEEP ON CHEZ | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Spite lynching JVJ does feel fun though. So tempting. I feel his ego is already drastically reduced. x; | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:57 Jean Valjean wrote: Chez is 100% gonna flip afk blue. My worst fear. =/ | ||
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On July 01 2016 04:02 Damdred wrote: Yeah I forgot super but yeah super town probably What? are you drunk? | ||
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We can close some doors on scum. | ||
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5v1 3v1 + 1 sleep (through pardon). 3 effective lynches left. ~2 PRs (probably) left. (NO claim today unless you're getting lynched). 1 hard confirmed. that's 3 lynches for 5 people. Scum hits a VT- we get 3 lynches for 4 people. We need 2 towns outside of PRs for auto. Should not be hard. I kind of admire scum for wanting to stick this out tbh. But it's also sort of meh. | ||
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On July 01 2016 17:18 Superbia wrote: Someone (Glowingbear), remind me to talk about gameplay optimisations during the night if it ever comes to that. We can close some doors on scum. This still stands btw. I have some more logic that increases our odds. ;p | ||
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Actually he wouldn't need to claim bc Glowingbear can just pardon since he knows the bodyguard. | ||
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I'm pretty sure I know what roles there are in this game and who have them. | ||
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Why? | ||
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Explain why this is true pls. x; | ||
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1. Pardon if bodyguard is about to get lynched. 2. Pardon if glowingbear and bodyguard are alive during final 4. | ||
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TW has been remarkably absent. Or I may just be miss-remembering when he was last active. | ||
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On July 01 2016 20:13 Jealous wrote: The reasons as to why pardon will be used are not mathematically relevant, it's the fact that to prepare for all possible scenarios one needs to examine both whether it does or does not happen, whether Jean is scum or not scum. As you said, Jean cannot be in the final 3. My argument is that he cannot be in the final 4, either. Jean should be looked at tomorrow. I can elaborate on this but I probably won't today. | ||
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Oh well. | ||
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On July 01 2016 21:03 Jean Valjean wrote: I am 100% hoping our other blue is a jailor. That'd be grand. He would already have 2 clears This would be super game over. :D | ||
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Greens could still overlap w/ PRs. | ||
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On July 01 2016 23:54 GlowingBear wrote: You should probably do it today. I'm flipping my read on him. I don't want to lynch people inside my wagon day1 and I don't want to lynch Damdred today because I respect the read Artanis brought. The pool is very narrowed. If you believe your bodyguard is town then Jean living to tomorrow is irrelevant. | ||
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SIGH. Just imagine how you could die. | ||
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On July 02 2016 00:59 Damdred wrote: It's unlikely in this setup for us to have a medic/RB/jailer or vet of some kind I think. Depends. | ||
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On July 02 2016 03:42 Jean Valjean wrote: As of today I'm basically sure Damdred is my #1 townread. GB does not need to claim BG per say. The better play is to claim one (or two) people who are definitely not the bodyguard. That way if GB die we have Jean and that person as confirmed town. I wanted to say this later but w/e. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Anyway I'm a bit tipsy (and tired/lazy, what else is new) so tumblemeta comes tomorrow | ||
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On July 02 2016 09:36 Tictock wrote: Well idk if Tumble is really unable to post or not. but I'm like 90% sure he is the last mafia, 8% Damdred playing a great game, 2% Unusual setup. I'm a Parity Cop. Checked Damdred N1, Tumble N2 with a Different result. 2% is a weird Framer/Rolecop/Goon which seems unbalanced (too town favored). or Miller situation. It's probably just as easy as Tumble. Damn I had you as the medic | ||
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