|
On June 29 2016 02:16 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 01:59 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed. + Show Spoiler +Anyways, regarding this game... I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline? I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff. Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress. Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought. Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position. So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.
So it wasn't a change in your opinion about GB, but that you initially agreed with lynching Emp?
It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying.
Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread.
I'm not sure I buy this actually.
On June 28 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote:
Right about TT vindication
##vote ticktock
On June 28 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:
Beat part was there mafia pushed d1
This looks much more like you are indeed just vindicated that your scumread got tracked to a NK. Even if you were thinking I might be town before this I doubt you were still considering it here.
So it's kinda weird to me (mostly kus of that Nutcracker game I mentioned) that this was your first thought after I had reacted to Super's claim.
On June 28 2016 11:29 Damdred wrote:
I mean yeah there is a chance of tt being a wanderer but it's a really small chance that tt is a wanderer and he just so happened to visit the person that was nk.
It's crazy if that's true
I think this is kinda a weird post too.
On June 28 2016 11:31 Damdred wrote:
Then again he what if super is a rolecop and found out tt was a wanderer and he flips wanderer he can just go on his merry way and get not judgement because he claimed tracker.
Maybe a mass claim of roles would be OK? If we have another information gathering ability with a vig and a claimed tracker we could go from there.
Also if tt was mafia kinda would see him I tantly conceding to.
But I kind of want a mass claim to see if wr have to many pr for it to be true.
I can believe the read flip on me, the idea about Super being scum here feels wierd though (and not just kus Emp flipped Rolecop). Like I was probably the only person to really be in the position of thinking Super was scum here, and I even thought that was far fetched for him to be so ballsy and try to force a lynch when there was literally no pressure on him.
I also REALLY hate that you asked for a mass claim. With a Vig and Traker claiming there is basically no chance of another blue floating around. I'm not exactly sure why you would do this as either alignment though (well besides the obv reason for scum to want to know blue roles) so... meh I guess.
I can't really give you town points for exploring the possibilities of fake claims because while it's true that as scum you'd prefer to just let me get lynched and then Super for fake claiming I also doubt you'd feel comfortable as scum just sitting back and letting that happen when there is already sus on you.
|
Eh ok you were reacting to Jealous in that quote so I guess my point there is kinda moot.
On June 28 2016 06:19 Jealous wrote:Wanderer is still a possibility although unlikely. Also could have been cop?
Is this really a mafia reaction to a tracker claiming to have found mafia?
This is before I'd even come back to the thread.
|
Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought.
Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position.
So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.
Actually this doesn't track at all now that I relook at your posts around that time.
On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking.
On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass
On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him.
But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today
On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:
I AM NAMED VT
Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE
Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner. Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.
All of that is def the opposite of "At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought."
|
On June 29 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote:
Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously.
Because you claimed that you had been thinking about me being town during the night and that is why you were considering the wanderer/Super being scum stuff.
Point being that you didn't really start thinking about that stuff till Jealous brought it up and after I had reacted to Super's claim.
So just more of what you say not really matching up with what happened.
It's possible I'm just really tunneled here, but sometimes there is light at the end of a tunnel...
Also Jealous is the only other person being considered atm and I don't really think he is scum.
|
Also that is like 2 times that Jealous and I are mindmelding on stuff...
|
On June 29 2016 03:37 Damdred wrote:
Tt just some friendly advice you really need to take a step back sometimes.
Yea I know... Or I just need to work on getting tunneled on the right people more often...
This is why I thought Art's argument for me being scum kus my reads weren't really changing was laughably bad.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/16l3zo.jpg)
|
On June 28 2016 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Actually it's a little scary tbh,
Super can claim RB for rest of game and that's why they don't kill him.
It's a play I would make with that information and they could have the info 100% makes sense with how tt been playing. He's been playing like he's a power role with how he doesn't care he's a good person to check...
Idk easiest and hopeful solution is tt is scum, but idk some of his interchanges with me make me think he might not be. I'm just paranoid I know but..
I was going to leave this alone and do other stuff for a bit but accidentally put this quote in another window and just ran across it.
This is a very interesting opinion of my play given you've been calling me scum all game.
|
On June 29 2016 04:57 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Jealous(4): Artanis[Xp], Superbia, Damdred. Tumblewood
Damdred(3): Tictock, Skynx, Jealous
Tictock (2): Superbia, Artanis[Xp], Skynx, Jean Valijean, Jealous, Damdred
Not voting (1), Chezinu
Currently, Jealous, Is set to be lynched!
Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
Damdred is counted twice.
Typical American politics my friend.
The people voted in Jean, but the Electoral Collage decided the double vote goes to Damdred...
|
Went through a brief stroll through Moosy's filter just to see what I could make of the trolling...
Not much like you'd expect, but I did find a surprising amount of posts defending Emp.
This one in particular is note worthy.
On June 25 2016 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 09:27 Damdred wrote:
Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice. i'm p sure he's town tbh.
Scum defending scum from scum? Probably not...
I had the idea to look back through to see if he was defending anyone else or maybe kinda avoiding contact with anyone, but I'm not sure that effort is worth the headache.
|
Ok, so assuming for a moment that you are town Damdred.
I am pretty sure Jealous is not the last scum, you even gave a decent reason to TR him yourself (something about how he was posting reads as EoD was resolving & Moosy was getting lynched).
Jean is an interesting suggestion as with the exception of Chez I think he's contributed the least today and even though I was tunneled on you I noticed his read on me flipped pretty dramatically when Super claimed after multiple times arguing about having a townlean on me.
On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker.
Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.I think we just won.
.
and this is def pushing for mafia's best case from that
On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro?  Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win.
The only thing that bugs me in this tinfoil Epic Bus scenario is that Emp threw his vote away along with mine on Tumble. If scum is gunna bus why not get the whole team on board?
On the other hand he is in the perfect spot for scum to be sitting, I think Mayor is untraceable/uncheckable and will never be under sus for still being alive as long as BG hasn't flipped, gets an extra vote to influence mislynches, and Jean looks hella towny for having flipped the goon that obv wanted to die...
...
I think I may have just talked myself into Yolo/fear lynching Jean.
|
On June 29 2016 07:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Let's lynch our mayor the day after he lynched scum. Sounds fun
Tbh I think this is really just embracing the true spirit of Politics ^.^
|
Well look, voting for him D1 lead to great results.
Might as well see if the same thing will work today right?
|
Fuck it, lets do it.
In the hopes of making this the best game ever.
##Vote: Jean Valijean
|
On June 29 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote:
Fuck it, lets do it.
In the hopes of making this the best game ever.
##Vote: Jean Valijean Alternatively, this could be the worst most-memorable game ever where we lose from 9v1, starting with lynching one of our strongest players that was unshootable and lynched mafia D1.
People People plz, we can always get back to bickering and killing each other tomorrow.
Today we must focus on the matter at hand, which is ruthlessly overthrowing our elected official who has done nothing but good for us because, lets face it, he was a bit of a dick.
+ Show Spoiler +I was gunna point out that GB will still be our pocket confirmed town until the BG is killed, and that our lynch pool would be smaller tomorrow with a NK, but mafia can hold their shot this game so we can't necessarily get maximum info.
And this isn't THAT crazy, I mean I'm only flipping my read on Damdred kus of 5 words Moosy said to Damdred. We are kinda just assuming Tumble and Skynx are lock town, and this day started out with Super fake claiming Traking me to QT.
I'm pretty sure this is the only logical nonsensically awesome choice.
|
Humm, I'm gunna hold off giving this game too much thought for a few more hours, but I plan to be around for EoD today.
So I'm kinda realizing that if we are putting Jean under some scrutiny due to the possibility of an Epic Bus situation D1, then we should also reexamine Super as well since I think the biggest thing going for him is his push D1 on Moosy.
So kinda open ended to everyone, what do you think about Super's fake claim on me today?
Too ballsy for scum? Too insane for town?
In particular I feel like he did not provide sufficient pressure to me to be able to really conclude that I am not scum for not having conceded (I'm actually not a fan of how much this "well he didn't concede today, must not be mafia" logic is being thrown around today...). I've shown in other games that I tend to not give up or surrender despite dire circumstances.
|
On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this?
If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard.
Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way.
Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed.
There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG.
If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually.
On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 04:08 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:02 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it. Why? I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI. AI? uwut? How does it make me scum? Also what does it mean for damdred's alignment? This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are.
|
Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration.
He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because
On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.
This is perfect So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi? yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker. Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.
I think we just won.
Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night.
On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 00:49 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake Yeah, you should've pardoned MD! He is probably talking about the bodyguard. This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach. In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly). That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job. Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles. I think it's a little early to be discussing this. How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures.
On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 01:27 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:On June 28 2016 00:48 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.
The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.
That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.
Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me. Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town. So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town? While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp? I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment. I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that. Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then. Is this something you genuinely believe?
But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops.
It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated.
On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:TT why'd you visit QT bro? Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum... Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December. So you're contesting the claim? Fine. I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win.
"Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim.
On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.
I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today.
Speaks for itself...
Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art.
The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool.
On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote:
I think mafia is most likely somewhere in:
Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock
And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming.
Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general.
I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed.
|
On June 30 2016 02:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2016 02:22 Tictock wrote:On June 30 2016 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
We are not lynching Rayn EHMM Jean Valjean today! What kind of stupidity is this?
If Jean Valjean was mafia he would never ever kill QT last night. It's simple: either scum was trying to take the bodyguard down or the bodyguard is scum and tried to make it look like he was trying to kill the bodyguard.
Either way, Jean isn't scum. IF he was scum and had hit the bodyguard, he would have to explain why he would be alive day3. That's a horrible position for Mafia to put himself in. He would kill another townie that had less chance to be town according to my town reads. I took a risk to give the bodyguard to a null read of mine exactly because of this by the way.
Eh while this is a decent WIFOM NK argument (and possibly the first I've seen made to TR someone) I think your assumption that QT was killed because he might be BG a little flawed. There is just as much chance he was killed because basically everyone agreed he was town or because he was on the right track and heavily TR. Though I think my first thought was also that he was killed as a potential BG. If he was killed because he was on the right track it would implicate Super actually. On June 27 2016 04:17 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:08 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 04:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 27 2016 04:02 Superbia wrote:On June 27 2016 02:42 QuickTwist wrote:On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:
I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.
Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.
Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?
Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? This post sucks and I'm Scum reading you for it. Why? I'll just say it like this: your reasons for both Town reading him AND Scum reading him are not even AI. AI? uwut? How does it make me scum? Also what does it mean for damdred's alignment? This is the last post of the day for me. 1) Your read on him is very non-commital. That is sometimes considered a Scum tell all on its own. 2) I read your reasons for reading him both Town and Scum as greatly reaching into things that are not alignment indicative at all. It would be one thing if they were solid Town and Scum tells, but they are not. Combine these two and what are you left with? No stance taken one way or the other based off reasons that are not AI. You might as well have just said "He hasn't done anything AI" but the fact that you are trying to blow a post like that up by both giving a strong stance both ways and giving non-valid reasoning just makes it a terrible terrible post. Why this is a Scummy post is because: 1) Its one of the longer posts you have made 2) You are fabricating reads 3) You don't have hardly any long posts to begin with 4) So it makes it look like you are trying look like you are doing more than you really are. Wouldn't this be a little too... basic? Killing the one person who suspects you (I don't think there were others or if there were, they did not make a case like this) is suspicious as all hell and when you have the pick of the litter so early in the game, I don't think Superbia would go for something so direct.
My point overall here was the NK logic is pretty WIFOM.
I'm not throwing out what GB said though kus it's an interesting point, just not sure it's as solid as he seems to believe.
|
I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't.
So went to Emp's filter instead.
This post gave me pause when I first saw it...
On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote:For Jean Valjean: I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him. Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed: Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that. I'll await your swift response. On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful. I am almost certain you are mafia by now. So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself. First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear. It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic. I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia. Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super: Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Very little Superbia has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia. While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here: Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking. From his posts so far this is what I have seen: 1) He is admittedly not very involved 2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions 3) Very defensive posting Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses.
Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above.
I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me.
Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read.
This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game.
At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really.
I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts?
|
On June 30 2016 03:36 Superbia wrote:
I think we should just do chezinu btw. =/
I'm just scared he's a PR and isn't here atm.
Is it weird that I actually highly prefer a Jean lynch to Chez?
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://www.saltopiasalts.com/uploads/1/0/7/8/10782629/7109779_orig.jpg)
