EPT[M][N] Presidential Election Mini Mafia - Page 58
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Tumblewood
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Superbia
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Superbia
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Maaaybe Artanis. | ||
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Superbia
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Though keep framers in mind | ||
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Jealous
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On June 27 2016 15:00 Superbia wrote: If there's a cop check between TT and damd btw. Maaaybe Artanis. Wouldn't it make sense to check the town mayor/pardoner? | ||
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Jealous
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On June 27 2016 15:13 Jealous wrote: Wouldn't it make sense to check the town mayor/pardoner? Oops, ignore this post, I'm dumb and have re-read the rules. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On June 27 2016 15:00 Superbia wrote: If there's a cop check between TT and damd btw. Maaaybe Artanis. Wait, so from your top townread I'm now your 3rd scummiest player? Can you explain how this happened? And why is this happening? ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pHAgt/06a4a17c14.png) | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On June 27 2016 17:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You're having the opposite read development as town which is weird to begin with, but you also said when I asked you earlier why you were less certain on me that it was because other people were scumreading me, yet your townread was strongest when I was still being scumread by many. And now that many people came around on me, you put me in as your 3rd favoured check (and therefore presumably 3rd scummiest player). I find that very odd. Or you know, other reasons. I am leaning one way on you in the spectrum. I feel your play yesterday was surprisingly meh. Not the stuff people scumread you for, but your interactions with Jean. Also you EoD joining Jean on his push on me was also superlame. Like I kind of understand how your read formed but it's just bad. If you really want to we can fight about this tomorrow, but it's probably a waste of time. The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). Evaluate on the Moosy flip. Is me bussing the most likely scenario? | ||
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Superbia
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On June 27 2016 17:22 Superbia wrote: Or you know, other reasons. I am leaning one way on you in the spectrum. I feel your play yesterday was surprisingly meh. Not the stuff people scumread you for, but your interactions with Jean. Also you EoD joining Jean on his push on me was also superlame. Like I kind of understand how your read formed but it's just bad. If you really want to we can fight about this tomorrow, but it's probably a waste of time. The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). Evaluate on the Moosy flip. Is me bussing the most likely scenario? What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster? As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On June 27 2016 17:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What in my interactions with Jean did you specifically find meh? Why did you find my play lackluster? As for joining him on your push on you, I simply disagreed it'd make him scum. I wouldn't have wanted you as the lynch though, and you still aren't my preferred lynch. I'm not sure how you'd behave around MD if he was your buddy, need to contemplate on that. That he literally bullied you into voting him. His two scum reads were you and me (iirc). And I was generally townread at the time he came around. I'm just very annoyed that people voted him even though his (scum) reads were (probably) actually pretty shit. Especially you. He hard scumread you and he had a null/scumlean on me. And I was one of the only persons who was not going with the scumArtanis flow. It boggles my mind man. Anyway I will reveal what I think on the morrow but tbh I don't expect it to make it. :D | ||
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Superbia
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Jean Valjean
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On June 27 2016 17:22 Superbia wrote: The reality is that if Jean genuinely considered lynching me there then the game was on the edge of being lost for no real reason and it's a good part of the reason why I did not want him to be in any position of power (personally I also despise(d) his playing style and the fact that it paid off). I love the doom and gloom predictions. "We are literally on the verge of losing the game because the town hero briefly considered lynching me before promptly lynching mafia!!!" Get a grip son. You have plenty of time to convince people you're not mafia. I have repeatedly explained what you should be doing, and now that I'm in a position to enforce my threats I suggest you start paying attention. I have an idea on what is the best way for town to play mafia. I'm only interested in winning the game. I'm not interested in people sticking to their meta or claiming "this is just how I play". Those are not valid arguments. You play how the town wants you to play, because that is the only way you play to win. I have managed to bring town to my cause and I'm sure most people agree that my way is genuinely helping this town get organized and strong. I do not think you're an asshole superbia, I have no faith that you'll allow yourself to be lynched to "stick it to the man" if you're town. So I double down on my fairly reasonable request that you stop being a stubborn asshole and genuinely lay out your cases on the people you think are mafia. Write a single post, include the quotes and links you think are needed to validate your case and let the rest of us objectively judge your contributions. I'm a very reasonable person and I change my mind based on evidence. Notice that I didn't end up killing my early tunnel of Artanis, because I no longer felt it was the best lynch possible. I have no ulterior motive other than winning this game for town, and sometimes I need to whip town into shape to get things done. In other TL Mafia towns, spamming oneliners, taking no responsibility and playing to some awful "meta" is acceptable. In my town, we're not doing that, and we're going to reward this town with a win. A goddamn win. | ||
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Superbia
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You lynched my mafia instead. Good shit and good call. We can talk about mafia meta all day but ultimately it's irrelevant. The fact is that I find mafia as town, regardless of how lazy I am. As a result, I have no reason to change my gameplay until I start being very wrong. | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 27 2016 17:46 Superbia wrote: That he literally bullied you into voting him. His two scum reads were you and me (iirc). And I was generally townread at the time he came around. I'm just very annoyed that people voted him even though his (scum) reads were (probably) actually pretty shit. Especially you. He hard scumread you and he had a null/scumlean on me. And I was one of the only persons who was not going with the scumArtanis flow. It boggles my mind man. Anyway I will reveal what I think on the morrow but tbh I don't expect it to make it. :D This is a terrible way to think about things. No one knew at the time which reads were good or bad. What I did was simply to present to town a willingness to figure things out and a lay out a framework within which I would work, and people like that. People like transparency and organization. I wasn't voted because people thought I was the most right. I was voted because people trusted I would got to the greatest lengths to do the right thing, to get things done. In the end, both my approach to the vote and my approach to scumhunting through iteration paid off handsomely. I got the presidency and I lynched mafia. Not a bad day 1! Mafia isn't about being right, it's about convincing other people you're right. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
Pretend I'm town tomorrow and let's see where that gets us?  | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On June 27 2016 18:32 Superbia wrote: A lynch on me would be the dumbest shit ever. But we can discuss this until the end of times. You lynched my mafia instead. Good shit and good call. We can talk about mafia meta all day but ultimately it's irrelevant. The fact is that I find mafia as town, regardless of how lazy I am. As a result, I have no reason to change my gameplay until I start being very wrong. The hallmark of a terrible player is to think you only have one job as town when playing mafia. You have three primary responsibilities. In order of importance I'll list them up. 1) Your primary responsibility as town is to not get lynched. If all townies do nothing but that, the game is automatically won. This should be the highest priority for everyone at all times. If you don't get lynched as town, you've already raised the chances of lynching mafia significantly. There is no such thing as a bad town, just your own failure at communicating at the level required to get town to trust you. 2) The second responsibility is to influence others and interact with the group as a whole. A lone ranger is worthless to town. A player who calls out the mafia team on day 1, fails to get any of them lynched for 2 days and then gets nightkilled is completely worthless to town. Sure he's going to be an ObsQT warrior and call everyone bad, without realizing he himself is the problem. If you cannot influence other people it's irrelevant if you're right or wrong. This responsibility also includes the responsibility to allow yourself to be influenced by others. If someone is making sense, help spread the message. 3) The third responsibility is finding mafia through analysis. This is what way too many people think mafia is about. It's completely useless to find mafia if you just get yourself lynched in the process. It's of course very important to figure out mafia, but if you're unable to fulfill either your first or your second responsibility, the third one makes no difference. A player who either gets lynched, or is unable to either convince fellow townies to follow his lead, or intelligently follow and help other leaders, is completely useless to town. I'm going to stop the lecturing now, I see you've dug yourself, for one purpose or another, into a corner and you're going to be resistant to advice for now. Just come back to this after the game, especially if you end up actually being town. You are a good player superbia, but you have to remember there's more to mafia than just writing down three names and then spamming "called it" in the ObsQT. This is a layered, complex game, not a simple one. | ||
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