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On June 27 2016 02:04 Tumblewood wrote:ok holy shit tt is scum. Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 17:58 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. - scumreading art for changing his read too fast. pls that's town if anything. - stupid misattribution of art's push Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:51 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 17:58 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little. I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest. Well I'm gunna take your word about your mafia play with a grain of salt, I think I've only played a game or two with you as town. Eh I call it as I see it, you dropped your read on QT then quoted a post of mine saying you didn't like it. Then you brought up some weak meta about my town game being "interesting" and bam I'm your top scum read (though you seemed more interested questioning Jean). Looks like you're early read got squashed by thread sentiment so you went looking for new people to push. - narrative - narrative - more narrative Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 19:21 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better. You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments. Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me? Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful  + Show Spoiler +and not particularly accurate imo I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though. I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on. Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta... And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting. I know... my mom told me. impressively manages to dismiss art's read entirely without a real counter, just "you don't know me." basically I don't see why tt would make these cases as town... they're so far-fetched and only really make sense as a justification rather than a reason.
Oh Tumble...
My point regarding Art's meta on me is that he's doing it so shallowly. I'm much more stagnant in my reads as town than as mafia and am decently well know to tunnel people for days. Hell even just look at last game where I was tunneled on Super going into the last day before rereading stuff and being convinced by Jealous my thinking was probably not on point.
"You don't know me" is about as valid of an argument I can think of when someone is pushing a shitty meta argument on me.
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I'm still about 10 pages (little less) behind and am gunna have to finish catching up later.
Here is where I am at (not in any particular order)
Town: (prob never lynching)
Tumbleweed
GlowingBeer
Supbarbia
QuickTwister
Likely Town:
Skynks
Jin Valjean
Null:
Jaelous
emperarechampion
Cheziness
Probably Scum:
Damdruid
Artanis[XD]
It would be too sick if my Yolo team turns out to be correct.
On June 26 2016 00:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote:
And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me? I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though).
Team still fits for me kus it kinda explains why Art and Damdred have been pushing me or trying to discredit me so hard without doing much to try and interact with me or further a read on me. Or maybe I'm hella tunneled... in which case...
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Oh wait I thought GB got elected Mayor and Jean was Pardoner.
Ok Jean moves up to the never lynching category.
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On June 27 2016 07:29 Jean Valjean wrote:
I changed my mind. I'm lynching GlowingBear tomorrow instead of Superbia.
No you're not
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On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote:
Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol?
And weren't you the one to immediately respond to his claim with "It doesn't matter"?
I'm actually not sure why you dislike his(Jealous') GB read given your own read on GB is actually kinda similar.
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On June 27 2016 05:28 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 05:19 Superbia wrote:
Jealous that felt forced. Like you didn't want to give your reads because you believe in them or you want to pursue them. But it feels like you're giving them to seem town. I'm trying to do my due diligence. This is just as much for myself to organize my thoughts as I read every filter of the 40+ hours I missed so I can get get ready to analyze consequent actions with some foundation, as it is to show others that I am back from being inactive and am ready to contribute my reads to the town. I can see how this can be construed as "trying to seem town," but given how there was a push to policy lynch me I think it is more of "trying to be active and a part of the game and stimulate discussion."
Yea between this and kinda liking his reads I'm starting to lean town on Jealous.
Will leave him on higher end of null for now though kus I'd kinda like to see more.
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On June 27 2016 05:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:He won't do it and we can lynch TT later anyway. TT actually becomes more readable later on and dunno if MD does so I don't mind the shot.
Humm, this is the first reasonable thing you've said about me.
Maybe I've been wrong about you Art.
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On June 27 2016 06:10 Jean Valjean wrote:
Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going.
Yea, I don't think so.
We should keep lynching scum.
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On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good
I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy.
I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner".
You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times.
Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level.
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On June 27 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote:
If you would finish the thread pretty sure you would,know a lot more instead of ask I,g them as you go. Though does make your filter look,better out of co,text which might be what you are going for
Or I'll just post as I see and think of things like I always do. I doubt it actually makes my filter look better.
I do tend to prefer responding to stuff via quotes rather than in-the-moment discussion but it's not like I shy away from discussion if you approach me.
On June 27 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Also it's pre try clear from ny filter I came back still push I,g you as scum so yeaaa
Well that's what I mean, what happened to make you think I was town for the span of one post then go right back to scum reading me?
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Ok, only real changes to my list post now that I'm fully caught up is that I'd move Art and Jealous up one group each.
I kinda want to reread GB even though I think he's prob telling the truth about being named VT, and thought he was town before that anyway. Just need to cross some t's.
Emp is weird to me kus he feels kinda different than last game, but doesn't seem very towny to me either.
I think I feel pretty good about all my townreads though.
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Oh and about Chez, I have no fucking clue how to read Chez.
I agree with whoever said cop should check him.
Though I do kinda recall an interaction he had with QT that I liked...
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On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level.
How did I not consolidate on a good mayor?
I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards.
Then come at me and I'll bury you.
Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad.
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Actually I'm not going to get hostile, while I agree phone posting is probably causing my thoughts to get more jumbled. I think my progressions on most of my reads and reasonings posted in thread are decent.
My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town.
While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all.
So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose.
I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing.
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On June 27 2016 10:52 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level. How did I not consolidate on a good mayor? I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards. Then come at me and I'll bury you. Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad.
It's great that you've called me scum all game but talk to me like you think I'm town.
You pushed against GB or Super being mayor, but ended up voting GB (can't really find why in your filter) and then voted Jean who I don't think you ever gave a read on. You started off with "I don't want to be mayor" then made a couple "Why aren't people considering me for mayor/pardoner" posts. Never pushed any of your townreads to be mayor. So you were pushing against GB being mayor despite reading him as town, but were only offering yourself as an alternative. Just weren't involved in that discussion at all.
And stuff like this was kinda pushing things away from Moosy.
On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote:
Nobody else over moosey super?
On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on
I also think it's weird how you keep trying to build teams around me without really pushing me too much directly. Or more like you keep calling me scum but aren't doing much to show why I'm scum.
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On June 27 2016 11:05 Damdred wrote:
Actually I'm not going to get hostile, while I agree phone posting is probably causing my thoughts to get more jumbled. I think my progressions on most of my reads and reasonings posted in thread are decent.
My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town.
While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all.
So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose.
I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing.
Eh I can see why you and Art are saying I lightly pushed Moosy kus I wasn't around EoD to share my thoughts before the flip.
Regardless of if you believe it or not Moosy was probably my first scum read because of his opening though he made a bout of posting once he stopped trolling that made me less sure and I started focusing more on my reads on you and Art.
I guess it might look hypocritical outside of my PoV, but I think there is a distinct difference in how the two of us pushed/talked about Moosy. I'll let people evaluate for themselves which is more likely to come from scum.
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On June 27 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 10:52 Damdred wrote:On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level. How did I not consolidate on a good mayor? I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards. Then come at me and I'll bury you. Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad. It's great that you've called me scum all game but talk to me like you think I'm town. You pushed against GB or Super being mayor, but ended up voting GB (can't really find why in your filter) and then voted Jean who I don't think you ever gave a read on. You started off with "I don't want to be mayor" then made a couple "Why aren't people considering me for mayor/pardoner" posts. Never pushed any of your townreads to be mayor. So you were pushing against GB being mayor despite reading him as town, but were only offering yourself as an alternative. Just weren't involved in that discussion at all. And stuff like this was kinda pushing things away from Moosy. Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on I also think it's weird how you keep trying to build teams around me without really pushing me too much directly. Or more like you keep calling me scum but aren't doing much to show why I'm scum.
I don't think I've weekly pushed you at all. I talk to you with respect and with knowledge I could be wrong and it's always better to be courteous anyway.
As for pushing against moose why is it so bad that I asked if there was anyone else they wanted to Lynch exactly? Isuper hasn't exactly been super forthcoming with the scum reads up to this point.
And I wanted to see if there was anyone the thread could agree on. Which I tried to push jealous a hit around that time as well but he came back pretty good
And if you look at Jean he was in the same boat as me thinking it was a coinflippy at best. So pretty thread sentimental there, and tbh I probably come off looking better if I yell and throw things to make Jean Lynch moose instead of being half committed. But that is wifom and should be ignored.
There have been at least two instances where I have explained my scum read on you directly in fact I think one was just a page or two ago in reply to GB asking me why I was scum reading you.
I also pushed for your lynch over gc and over moose to some degree. But I didn't overly push anything as I am usually doing d1 I just town hint early which is what I did again and got left with people I wanted to Lynch.
And it's not to weird I build my scum team around you when you are my strongest scum read currently, have little interaction with moose in your filter even though you say he's your first scum read really can't tell it much instead of focusing on him you focus art and myself.
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why does anyone want to lynch gb or not have a million percent townread
to my understanding named vt is that role where on d2 or d3 or whenever the hosts say "X is the named vt" and then yay free confirmed town
is it really just regular vt with blue coloring? gb or someone who's not a scrub pls explain
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like I guess it must be just a vt colored blue because I can't imagine anyone for a second wanting to lynch a confirmed townie who can't be nightkilled, that's the towniest townie town role possible
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ok I guess since there are posts I have to read them or something
sigh
On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level.
lol tt didn't you want people to not consolidate to get scum shenannying?
yeah I agree on the "giving moosy a free pass / pushing afk" comment. easy way out on ignoring your scumbuddies, though I think like 5 people ignored him today including you and me or maybe just me. also in a game with lots of townie looking people it's pretty hard to push a mislynch on someone who's playing the game. I imagine mafia's having a hard time finding targets this game.
On June 27 2016 11:05 Damdred wrote:
Actually I'm not going to get hostile, while I agree phone posting is probably causing my thoughts to get more jumbled. I think my progressions on most of my reads and reasonings posted in thread are decent.
My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town.
While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all.
So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose.
I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing.
don't like the straight shutdown, or the hypocritical argument.
there are more posts in this argument but I get two sentences in and then skimmmmm
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