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On June 28 2016 15:54 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 15:48 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 15:23 Superbia wrote:Are you scum Jealous?  No. Not so sure about that. x;
Are you digging in or is there a point in me proffering defense? Right now I see these possible avenues:
1. I defend my play by pointing out things I did which would potentially indicate I am not scum. However, you might just see this as try-hard or suspect because I am looking at my own filter.
2. I post my analysis of EoD + N1 for each player. However, I somehow raised suspicion for doing a player-by-player filter read near EoD yesterday, first by Damdred and then by you, so perhaps that would again fall in your "trying to seem town," category.
3. I ignore you and act dismissively towards your allegations, which isn't really my style but given the reactions I've gotten since I was AFK and into my posts since then is what I chose to do when you first asked me in the quoted text.
4. You're digging in and there is nothing I can do.
You seem to be the type to dig in/tunnel and it took some effort on my part to sway you into making the right decision in the Newbie game. This makes me think I should put effort in order to show that I am not scum and by extension increase the chances of town winning if TT doesn't flip red, because then one less day will be wasted lynching me. However, in the Newbie game I was beyond suspicion when I convinced you to change your mind. I guess it comes down to whether or not you would be swayed by someone you suspect directly answering your query in a manner you desire.
And then, I am presented with WIFOM: If I do what Superbia says he wants me to do, would be detrimental to town because he would assume I am doing what he wanted in order to "try to seem town," or would it actually convince people that I am not scum and those people would convince a potentially tunneling Superbia?
In essence, I feel that by getting hard townread by others in this game through devious play, you've achieved a certain level of power and sway and you're using this power to apply pressure. I was pressured in D1 and I did what I thought was right to relieve that pressure. I'm not sure that this would work with you in this case. Might be a case of newbness on my part.
By this logic, I elect to do nothing until you can make a compelling case for why you think I am scum, or at least why I am more scum than anyone else in this game. If you put in the effort to do so, I will have more content to work off of in terms of presenting my thoughts on the game so far that may change your mind.
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On June 28 2016 15:59 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote:On June 28 2016 14:38 Skynx wrote:
Anyway. Nice thing is we can mislynch all 3 of Super/TT/Damdred and still win. Also skynx kinda claimed scum here lol. Since he knows all three of us will be mislynches. "kinda claimed scum". You're past the point of being credible at anything, since Super admitted fake and TT is town I think we can start that trio with you.
I also think that this is a very weak read by Damdred. He seems quick to jump on people for single posts and words, as if people who are writing in this game are especially susceptible to Freudian slips. I wouldn't necessarily say that Damdred is scum based on this (although I had my suspicions elsewhere prior), but it certainly doesn't make Skynx look more scum in my eyes either.
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Also, I might not have a lot of experience with the veterans here, but I feel like TT isn't the type to jump ship in this predicament. Even if he was actually scum and actually tracked, I judge him to be a pretty confident individual. It was hard getting him to come around in the Newbie game as well at certain points, and he is similar to Superbia in that he plays with a kind of off-hand coolness. The consistency of this mannerism makes me doubt that it is a facade. For now I will keep my vote on him, even though Superbia is playing trickery. I want to see how TT, Superbia, and others react to how TT flips. Superbia's gambit is an interesting maneuver.
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On June 28 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote:
Who's the last scum Jealous?
Well, perhaps you ignored my post asking you to explain why you think it's me, but I'll humor you regardless. For a time I thought it might be GB because of the suspicious push for election. I am also not happy with Chezinu's inactivity or with Artanis' blind defense of him. I had a definite scum lean on Damdred, but it's diminishing slowly because of what he's been saying and how he's been humoring my (genuine) requests for detailed explanations. I still find his asking for everyone to reveal roles as an aggravating factor, so I'll leave him as a scum lean for now. I still have a mild paranoia about JVJ because he at least creates the image of a strong player who would be capable of busing that hard, but I will write that off for now because I accept that it is relatively unsubstantiated. I townleaned on Tictock before, and I honestly trusted you so much (probably because of last game) that I didn't even bother to doubt that you actually did track him. Now that you admitted that it's fake, I don't know how I feel about you, but I will probably rescind my vote on TT even though I just said it would be interesting to see how that plays out. I lean town on QT. For Skynx I did scumread him solely based on activity before and he still seems to be an intermittent player, somewhat similar to the Newbie game at points.
So, at this point I'd say that my deepest suspicions are on Damdred, but I am not at all confident about it.
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Oops, forgot QT was dead lol.
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On June 28 2016 16:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is Art cleared? I agree that he's town but he's not cleared. x; His reads so far have been pretty el terriblè.
I didn't clear him. As I said, I don't like this buttbuddy status he has with Chezinu. Even if neither are scum, it is not helpful to the game. Chezinu has done practically nothing for the game, and Artanis will never act against him based on principle. Even if they are not scum, they are barriers to cohesive town play.
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On June 28 2016 16:59 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 16:34 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 16:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is Art cleared? I agree that he's town but he's not cleared. x; His reads so far have been pretty el terriblè. I didn't clear him. As I said, I don't like this buttbuddy status he has with Chezinu. Even if neither are scum, it is not helpful to the game. Chezinu has done practically nothing for the game, and Artanis will never act against him based on principle. Even if they are not scum, they are barriers to cohesive town play. Mind you there is the exact same deal with damdred.
As I said, I'm not happy with Damdred right now.
Chezinu, maybe you should host or have someone host a psychedelic anthropomorphic Mafia game where you can all "troll" each other with randomly generated posts once every 12 hours ^^
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On June 28 2016 17:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 17:04 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 16:59 Skynx wrote:On June 28 2016 16:34 Jealous wrote:On June 28 2016 16:30 Superbia wrote:
Why is Art cleared? I agree that he's town but he's not cleared. x; His reads so far have been pretty el terriblè. I didn't clear him. As I said, I don't like this buttbuddy status he has with Chezinu. Even if neither are scum, it is not helpful to the game. Chezinu has done practically nothing for the game, and Artanis will never act against him based on principle. Even if they are not scum, they are barriers to cohesive town play. Mind you there is the exact same deal with damdred. As I said, I'm not happy with Damdred right now. Chezinu, maybe you should host or have someone host a psychedelic anthropomorphic Mafia game where you can all "troll" each other with randomly generated posts once every 12 hours ^^ If Damdred is the final terrorist found in our group, why do you think all the terrorist voted for different representives? Also, did you find it odd that two of the representatives became the presidential candidates in which they were to vote? They are playing two as one.
1. To show a lack of affiliation.
2. None of the representatives became candidates:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:55 Rels wrote:
Day 1 Final Votecount
Jean Valjean (6): Artanis[Xp], Jean Valjean, MoosyDoosy, QuickTwist, Jealous, Damdred
GlowingBear (4): Superbia, GlowingBear, Tumblewood, Skynx, Damdred
Tumblewood (2): Tictock, emperorchampion
Artanis[Xp] (1): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp]
Jealous (0): Jealous
Superbia (0): Tumblewood, Superbia, MoosyDoosy
Skynx (0): Skynx
QuickTwist (0): GlowingBear
Jean Valjean has been elected Mayor!
GlowingBear has been elected Pardoner!
Day 1 ends Sunday, Jun 26 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
MoosyDoosy voted for his own death; in contrast, nothing else is as abnormal. The only candidates were JVJ, GB, and maybe Superbia which dissipated very quickly. They knew they had no chance of claiming a leadership position (if we assume Damdred is the third scum, of course). So I don't understand what you're trying to say but it seems wrong.
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Unless I misunderstood what you meant by "two of the representatives."
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On June 29 2016 02:00 Tictock wrote:
Oh and I think both Super and Damred said Jealous had some TMI looking reactions to Super's fake claim.
Can one of you guys elaborate on that for me plz?
I'd also like an answer to this. I openly asked Superbia to show why he thinks I am more scummy than anyone else. He only answered with "Who do you think is scum, Jealous?" I obliged, but I feel like I'm getting tunneled on since day 1, first for a policy lynch and now for some vague reasons. Example:
On June 28 2016 23:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!
It was hard for us all to stay motivated.
Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.
But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.
As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.
Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. True, if you want I can provide additional argumentation. You're terrible at faking emotion. You tried it once in Millionaires and it looked awful but people still insta townread you since Emo Damdred = town. Since then you've talked a lot about how emotions shouldn't be used to confirm people as town and try to move away from it. Especially with people now knowing you're capable of faking it, I really don't think you would play this way at mafia, let alone be capable of playing this way. You've just felt extremely natural this game. Jealous hasn't and is highly likely to be mafia.
The majority of the criticisms brought my way fall into these categories:
1) Tone: "mechanical." I feel this word was chosen because it has negative connotations, whereas I feel the more appropriate words would be "objective and logical," which is how I played last game as well. On a side note, I don't understand how people can trust the analysis of a person who refuses to look at the most inactive player in the game with any suspicion because "Chezinu is my friend, I will not lynch him." I also find it interesting that though I believe I carry myself in a similar way to JVJ, people see us opposite on the spectrum. It just shows how bias and bandwagon collide.
2) TMI: Stated multiple times with zero clarification or expansion. My actions since the EC lynch and Superbia claim have been:
a. Believe Superbia blindly
b. Say that Tictock could still be Wanderer, but vote for him anyway
c. Defend my vote for Tictock because his flip would be the most revealing after Superbia claimed tracker
d. Unvote Tictock after fully understanding why Superbia fakeclaimed
e. Explain how Superbia is trying to corner me and how situations from D1/N1 have hampered my chances of making a sound defense, because if people are tunneling me then any of the avenues I listed would be misinterpreted as "try hard" or otherwise scummy.
I fail to see how any of the above makes me scum. Saying that Tictock could flip green wanderer in this scenario in my opinion should give me townie points because if I was scum, I'd just happily join the bandwagon on mislynching someone who I would know is town. I wouldn't try to bring doubts into the equation immediately after Superbia claimed, and would just write off the mislynch as "oh wow what terrible luck." I still voted for him because it was the only rational thing to do, and I was one of the few people active in between Superbia's claim and declamation. Superbia's push was still good because we got a read on TT, but I don't think we've gained much more outside of that.
3) Neutral reads on EC/Moosy: This is the closest thing to an actual argument that I've seen for me being scum, but is still full of holes. Moosy is impossible to read in D1 and I stated that directly, while also mentioning that he is of no benefit to town. I feel like JVJ's lynch of Moosy was following the same logic, so I don't see how that can be a sticking point here. My neutral read on EC is one of many; someone mentioned earlier in the game that it is basic strategy for scum to soft scumread their cohorts in order to distance themselves should they flip?
In short, I feel like I am being tunneled on largely over vague meta-reads and nothing that actually happened in the game. Some people admit to just skimming my post, which is just poor etiquette and doesn't help town in the slightest. This just makes it easier for scum to bandwagon on me, or just avoid voting for me altogether if the bandwagon is strong enough. When I flip town, the people that have voted for me and tunneled on me would become suspect; unfortunately, statistically speaking the majority of them would have to be town, and I do feel that of the people who have voted for/pressured me so far, I would townlean on most of them with the glaring exception of Damdred who I've been scumleaning on from D1. If ONLY town votes for me for D2, that is even more dangerous.
I am open to any questions.
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On June 29 2016 03:14 Damdred wrote:
Why wouldn't it be a good thing mass claim with a tracker that claimed to track you to the kp.
It was a kneejerk reaction and you brought it up way too early; like, before anything Superbia said was confirmed. Seemed like you were eager to get everyone's claims out in the open so scum could have an easier killing streak to the upset win.
Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously.
I'm not sure how much I can stick on this point because I am getting the impression that you are either foreign or your English is not that strong (perhaps this is influenced by your auto-correct issues). However, vindicated means:
1. clear (someone) of blame or suspicion.
2. show or prove to be right, reasonable, or justified.
Both definitions point to you as being the one who read TT as scum and therefore you 1. are clear of blame or 2. are proven to be right, reasonable, or justified. If you had made a strong case on TT prior, then perhaps 2 may apply, but your follow-up reasoning here ("You always lynch the red check...") simply does not logically fit into this scenario. Your statement should have been "I was vindicated because I was scumreading TT from the start," as opposed to "I was vindicated because I voted in a logical manner."
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On June 29 2016 03:23 Superbia wrote:
Jealous how do you feel about your d1?
I tried to make the best of a bad situation. As I explained in one of my first posts, I really had no time to be a participant at all up until the last few hours before EoD. I answered the Art vs. QT questio prematurely because I only read a few pages prior to being asked about it as opposed to the whole argument, which I'm not proud of. I like to do a thorough job, especially when answering questions, and I didn't do it there. I started making reads towards EoD which took a good chunk of time but I didn't make them as detailed as I had in the Newbie game because I was running out of time and wanted to get them out before N1.
In the end, I feel that I put out more content than at least a few of the other players D1, which was my intention. To more directly answer your question, I am not happy with my D1 but it was the best I could do under the circumstances.
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Now I will construct my argument for a Damdred scumlean:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?user=Damdred
If you look at the first page of his filter, he is all over the place. He gives out reads like candy with little to no substance, asks questions to multiple people about multiple other people which can all be boiled down to a simple "Why?" This seems like a classic case of misdirection and activity for the sake of activity. While the questions are pushing the game forward slightly (albeit blindly), he seems to mostly be building up his post count.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Let me be honest with you qt.
Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.
Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn On June 25 2016 08:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm just saying don't make any judgements about moose till d2 as he will mostly be trollin. But unimportant.
Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early
Here he gives the advice to outright ignore Moosy, as opposed to my stance which was "Moosy is not helping town." Yet, he seems it fitting to judge me for my stance? Hypocrisy at its finest. He pretty much gives him a free pass into D2.
In the second quote you can also see how he makes a soft push with gut but then takes a step back within two lines; this is quintessential fluff posting, that if skimmed over may seem like he is trying to work out the game but it really contributes nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Idk why I'm taking this game serious: (. I think because I live the host and cohosts
How exactly is he taking this game seriously up until this point? This seems like one of those things where if read in a vacuum, it serves to establish himself was useful when he's been anything but.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:54 Damdred wrote:
Never lynching me Gliwingbear ever.
Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep.
As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well.
All-around terrible post that is also revealing.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote:
I think art v qt is t v t.
Its good though keep it up.
"It's good though, let's let two people who I townread continue fighting in order to waste more time in D1."
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Like right now I have a small town circle of
Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred
D1 pass moosey
So already we have a nice schmuck taken out.
This is the third time he has mentioned a D1 pass for Moosy in under 20 posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:19 Damdred wrote:
Man chez is so town I feel he's going at the top of my town circle. Seriously.
The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here?
Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh.
I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread
Another freepass to Chez a la Artanis. "House of Brown" - doesn't take much intelligence to realize that this means playing a vague Red/Green alignment? What benefit does this have to town? Why does Damdred suck up to this mentality and want to become a participant in this detrimental and vague practice?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet.
Mostly policy reads so this is excusable, but giving a pass to EC? That's 2/2 scum D1 passes granted. How do you get off on questioning MY reads of EC/Moosy on D1 when this is your stance?
More to come.
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On June 29 2016 03:35 Jealous wrote:Now I will construct my argument for a Damdred scumlean: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?user=DamdredIf you look at the first page of his filter, he is all over the place. He gives out reads like candy with little to no substance, asks questions to multiple people about multiple other people which can all be boiled down to a simple "Why?" This seems like a classic case of misdirection and activity for the sake of activity. While the questions are pushing the game forward slightly (albeit blindly), he seems to mostly be building up his post count. + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:20 Damdred wrote:
Let me be honest with you qt.
Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.
Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn On June 25 2016 08:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm just saying don't make any judgements about moose till d2 as he will mostly be trollin. But unimportant.
Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early Here he gives the advice to outright ignore Moosy, as opposed to my stance which was "Moosy is not helping town." Yet, he seems it fitting to judge me for my stance? Hypocrisy at its finest. He pretty much gives him a free pass into D2. In the second quote you can also see how he makes a soft push with gut but then takes a step back within two lines; this is quintessential fluff posting, that if skimmed over may seem like he is trying to work out the game but it really contributes nothing. + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:30 Damdred wrote:
Idk why I'm taking this game serious: (. I think because I live the host and cohosts How exactly is he taking this game seriously up until this point? This seems like one of those things where if read in a vacuum, it serves to establish himself was useful when he's been anything but. + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 08:54 Damdred wrote:
Never lynching me Gliwingbear ever.
Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep.
As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well. All-around terrible post that is also revealing. + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote:
I think art v qt is t v t.
Its good though keep it up. "It's good though, let's let two people who I townread continue fighting in order to waste more time in D1." + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 09:25 Damdred wrote:
Like right now I have a small town circle of
Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred
D1 pass moosey
So already we have a nice schmuck taken out. This is the third time he has mentioned a D1 pass for Moosy in under 20 posts. + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:19 Damdred wrote:
Man chez is so town I feel he's going at the top of my town circle. Seriously.
The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here?
Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh.
I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread Another freepass to Chez a la Artanis. "House of Brown" - doesn't take much intelligence to realize that this means playing a vague Red/Green alignment? What benefit does this have to town? Why does Damdred suck up to this mentality and want to become a participant in this detrimental and vague practice? + Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Mostly policy reads so this is excusable, but giving a pass to EC? That's 2/2 scum D1 passes granted. How do you get off on questioning MY reads of EC/Moosy on D1 when this is your stance? More to come.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 25 2016 23:50 Damdred wrote:
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?
Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly?
This post is terrible, largely because his scum reads ARE shitty (TT, SK, JVJ, Jealous) because they were all policy lynches. Those are base level scum reads. You make those based on a lack of content as opposed to anything actually said.
His townreads ARE super lazy and his stance is NOT vindicated by the fact that they are the popular reads at this juncture; popularity does not imply that his reads had any substance to begin with. He gave out townreads with zero evidence, which is super lazy. Also, super easy if you actually do know who town is, being scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 00:43 Damdred wrote:
Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation.
Instead of proffering any explanation on his own reads, he pushes TT to explain HIS.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 01:09 Damdred wrote:
But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food
Already flip-flopping only 26 minutes after the prior post; maybe he decided that TT was not an easy target anymore? Or maybe he wanted to appease TT so that TT wouldn't counter-pressure him into actually substantiating any of his claims?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 04:04 Damdred wrote:
Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble.
And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick.
Flips on TT yet again. Also tries to divert attention from Moosy yet again.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 12:46 Damdred wrote:
Seriously why don't we make me mayor?
I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway.
It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes
The summary of all of his (multiple) posts trying to get into a position of power. No substance at all besides "I'm a good player, guys!"
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote:
Nobody else over moosey super?
How can one defend Moosy so much and get away with it?
He goes on to make some long posts @Superbia where he actually does provide some content and explanations, but still pushes for a policy lynch on me.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:05 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily Nope
Lol.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:26 Damdred wrote:
Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all?
I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum
More like he stated multiple times why he wants to lynch me for inactivity and flip-flopped on TT multiple times.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote:
I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position.
And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh.
While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now.
I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip.
I have to check the timestamp but I think this is before he votes GB. This is another one of his "I am the best player, so I should be mayor," and another buttbuddy request to Art and Chez, a few of which I have omitted above because that's all they really are.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking. On June 27 2016 02:18 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today
Tt, sk, Jin, jealous
Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.
But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass
Horrible lie, good thing he got called for it.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him.
But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today
This is about EC.
"I'm trying to remember what I was seeing," when not too long prior he was supposedly reading filters, which he still could have done in order to better answer this question. Still hadn't given any concrete evidence thus far.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 02:50 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:
I AM NAMED VT
Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE
Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner. Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.
Although I agreed with this at the time, and still do (about it being a good thought), in the context of Damdred's posts I wouldn't think it surprising that this is an example of collusion in a Mafia QT in order to have EC save some face and Damdred jumped on it instantly.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:05 Damdred wrote:
Ooooo crap jealous is scum.
He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him.
Come brothers it,must be done.
So quick to create a wagon on me and suck up to Chez, in one breath and with no other rationale.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:08 Damdred wrote:
God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it.
The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway.
God that's craxy On June 27 2016 05:09 Damdred wrote:
Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol? On June 27 2016 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Just feels nm so fabricated idk what else to say about jealous reads.
A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe.
Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me. On June 27 2016 05:17 Damdred wrote:
Idc about that now, really want other people's opinions about jealous read post. Really everyone weigh in On June 27 2016 05:44 Damdred wrote:
That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter.
And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion.
Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all On June 27 2016 05:54 Damdred wrote:
Lynch Tt Jean blah
Ironic when 1. he misread my GB read in the first place and 2. he has done far less in order to substantiate his own claims.
Pushes very hard for my or TT lynch. Is this what he meant by vindicated?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on
Some things don't change.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 27 2016 07:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 07:13 Chezinu wrote:On June 27 2016 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.
Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.
Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.
Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.
Why is sk so High again? I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning. Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum. On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:
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Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly. Start of my filter  To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far? I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility. I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend. Think he is jealous? Are we friends chez?
He's STILL pushing this alliance, so desperately. I'm not surprised that Art jumped on his bandwagon against me now.
Everything after this is more recent.
So, conclusions:
1. Weak early game that he tries to claim was strong.
2. Baseless pushes for mayor/pardoner.
3. Constantly sucking up to Chez/Artanis in order to get a townie alliance going.
4. A lot of hypocrisy and flip-flopping.
5. A lot of EC/Moosy defense and free-pass giving.
##Vote Damdred
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On June 29 2016 04:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 04:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, if you get lynched, who should be the next one to be lynched? Jealous I had a list in another post but I'd reevaluate people's motives after that.
If I put in all that effort to lynch you and you flip green, then "there's no way over tomorrow" for me either, so wouldn't it be a poor strategy to hunt you down if I was scum? There are already some votes headed your way, and I had already scumleaned you at the end of D1. No one would have suspected anything if I just voted for you. Your read makes no sense in this context, nor did it really ever.
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On June 29 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Jealous(4): Artanis[Xp], Superbia, Damdred. Tumblewood
Damdred(3): Tictock, Skynx, Jealous
Tictock (2): Superbia, Artanis[Xp], Skynx, Jean Valijean, Jealous, Damdred
Not voting (1), Chezinu
Currently, Jealous, Is set to be lynched!
Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
Damdred is counted twice.
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On June 29 2016 04:57 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Day 2 Vote Count
Jealous(4): Artanis[Xp], Superbia, Damdred. Tumblewood
Damdred(3): Tictock, Skynx, Jealous
Tictock (2): Superbia, Artanis[Xp], Skynx, Jean Valijean, Jealous, Damdred
Not voting (1), Chezinu
Currently, Jealous, Is set to be lynched!
Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
Damdred is counted twice.
Also the timer hasn't been adjusted.
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Anyway, Damdred, let's say that these are the final votes going into EoD: What do you think will happen when I flip green? Who should be lynched after that, if not you, and why?
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On June 29 2016 05:18 Shapelog wrote:
(Correct)Day 2 Vote Count
Jealous(4): Artanis[Xp], Superbia, Damdred. Tumblewood
Damdred(3): Tictock, Skynx, Jealous
Tictock (1): Superbia, Artanis[Xp], Skynx, Jean Valijean, Jealous, Damdred
Not voting (1), Chezinu
Currently, Jealous, Is set to be lynched!
Day 2 ends Wednesday, Jun 29 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
TL countdown synchronizes with your device local time and not with the TL server time. It might be inaccurate.
Pretty sure Jean Valjean's vote counts as 2 votes still, no? I just meant that you had Damdred listed twice.
Also, the timer is still wrong because the date inside the countdown is still 6/26. It should be like this:
[countdown]06/29/2016 23:00CEST[/countdown]
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On June 29 2016 05:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Okay, everyone, listen. There's one thing I know for certain. Absolute certain. Damdred is town.I'm going to try to explain why. I want everyone to read this post and let it actually sink in. Think about it for half an hour or something to avoid kneejerk/tunnel replies. People aren't mafia because of inconsistencies. Town tends to be much more inconsistent than scum. People also aren't mafia because they happened to do things that aligned with mafia objectives. People are mafia because they're mafia. That sounds incredibly obvious, but it's something we often forget. Lots of these cases on Damdred revolve around proving he's been inconsistent, or doing things that fit mafia objectives, but it doesn't matter because they never asked the fundamental question: Is Damdred capable of playing this way as mafia?Answer: He is most assuredly not. I've got a decent amount of experience playing with Damdred, including in one of the longest and hardest scumgames there was. We had a team of Damdred, Ritoky, Superbia, Marvellosity and myself and the thread was over 600 pages long, yet there were often moments where it was difficult for any of us to get motivated to play. There were moments where we wanted to resign, and probably would've if it wasn't for each other and the good position we were in. It is my fundamental belief that Damdred would've given up already a long time ago. On top of this, as I've stated, Damdred is notoriously bad for faking emotion. When he's suspected as mafia, he often becomes trolly/happy because he doesn't like playing scum. This is especially true when his team sucks (which would've been the case here). As town, he becomes emo/unhappy and it either motivates him enough to try harder, or he just gives up and votes himself. In this case given the way the game's been going, it's been the former. We've seen plenty of examples of how Damdred's been unhappy littered throughout the game and they came at the moments you'd expect. Damdred's tried faking emotion before and it wasn't particularly believable. He's just not very good at it. The Damdred of this game has had an extremely natural progression in terms of emotions and tones that he could not fake. He doesn't like playing scum and surrenders when it's impossible to win. Damdred is not mafia this game, and I plead for you to believe me on that. I believe Jealous is, though I'm not quite certain on it. I do know Damdred is going to flip green. Please take a bit of time to take this post in and don't give a kneejerk response to it.
I won't really take the 30 minutes necessary because the majority of your reasoning is meant to appeal to veterans and people with direct experience with Damdred, which means there is no way for me to refute them or support them.
I just want to say that these meta reads are all very lame. Your entire play so far in this game has been meta-based and you pushed the few people you have no background information on (QT, myself). This is really weak in my opinion. You refuse to look at certain people based on God-knows-what, you place weight on prior experience working WITH the person without considering that perhaps they have changed their approach knowing full well that they can't be the same person they were when they were scum with you, because that'd be too obvious. In fact, you are talking down to Damdred about his abilities as a player (even though he is "one of the best" by his own words) if you think his persona is so static and predictable.
Please, look within the confines of the game.
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