A normal game just for JAT <3 - Page 68

On April 20 2016 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:
I am starting to understand your thought process though. I disagree with your conclusion but it makes sense.

On April 20 2016 04:09 Rels wrote:

Please explain then 'cause I don't undersatnd

On April 20 2016 04:07 Rels wrote:
Yeah I don't follow. Let's assume Superbia is scum. Why do you assume Superbia wanted to maybe claim vig ? JAT is right in that the only claim he can make is doc.

On April 20 2016 04:12 gumshoe wrote:


thats not the key bit.

imagine your the scum team.

Super is claiming hes going to shoot palmer, you dont know if hes the vig or not. Though he did claim, so you cant rule that out.

So why would you shoot palmer if super said he was going to do that?

By shooting palmer scum reveal that they were not afraid of double shooting the same target. Hence revealing that super is scum (cause thats the only way they could rule out that not happening) the only reason to shoot palmer would be to back supers vig claim.

as for super, why claim your shot and heal that early? Only makes sense if he was trying to call a hit to gain cred, and if he was, why would scum hit that target? How did they know they werent wasting a vig mishot?

On April 20 2016 04:08 justanothertownie wrote:

They could also just rb super which is what they probably did if he is town. So since noone else would make that shot they knew they weren't risking 2 KP. Alternatively like I said earlier it is entirely possible that mafia decided superbia was basically dead already and didn't think about anything like that when making their kill.

On April 20 2016 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:

The mistake you are making is that you ignore the fact that mafia can (and will) just rb superbia if he is town.

On April 20 2016 04:16 gumshoe wrote:


not true, going into night 2 there were several people who thought tumble more scummy then super, one more kill before his lynch was not that farfetched. The shot killed all chance of that.

Also if they rbed him, and he was thier mislynch, why would they kill palmer, thereby giving him a half decent vig claim?
Shooting palmer knowing that super might do just that for them makes no sense unless it was to give him a possible claim.

As soon as super flips, this could very well stop being speculation and turn over to fact / :

at which point it would be best to assume that were not dealing with a super great scum team.

On April 20 2016 04:17 gumshoe wrote:


why do that if hes going to kill plamer for them? the only way they rb him is if they feel they cant read him, as missing out on a vig miskp is a pretty shitty loss for scum.

On April 20 2016 04:20 Rels wrote:
OK I see it. You're saying the scum team is dumb because they shut down all the chances of Superbia being believable after the kills.

On April 20 2016 04:20 justanothertownie wrote:

True, but if he is town he is probably trying to WIFOM mafia with that statement. They can't risk that.

On April 20 2016 04:26 Rels wrote:
? You're proving Superbia is scum here, when your original point was that the scumteam was dumb.

On April 20 2016 04:24 gumshoe wrote:
but yeah let me boil this down as much as possible.

1: super claims hell kill palmer if hes vig, heal me if hes doc

2: if super is town, scum have little reason to doubt these two claims as they line up with his reads,

3: scum shoot palmer, the guy that super could very well be killing. this demonstrates no fear of doubling kp but also shows that scum are not afraid of giving super an out by actualizing his shot onto palmer. Which means if super is town, they may have just given him something he can use to save himself.

tldr scum are neither afraid of giving supers claim authenticity or missing out on a second miskp. Which means they know exactly what super is going to do because hes scum.

On April 20 2016 04:26 Rels wrote:
? You're proving Superbia is scum here, when your original point was that the scumteam was dumb.

On April 20 2016 04:29 justanothertownie wrote:

2: Is just plain wrong since they knew super knew there is a roleblocker so they would never allow him shooting Palmar if Palmar was mafia. So super needs to make them think he will shoot town if he is town to get his shot off.
Unrelated to this an argument could be made that this points towards superbia being mafia because he just said he would shoot the guy he called scum all the way

3: Super as town doesn't need them to give him anything to save himself. He will always save himself due to his claim without a cc from mafia. They won't trust him shooting Palmar so they will always rb him.

On April 20 2016 04:36 Rels wrote:
The simplest explanation is "Palmar is good player, he got shot". Simple and more likely. The only thing that makes me think you might have a point is the Superbia's claim before end of night. It must have a purpose.