EPTTL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3
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On March 23 2016 02:23 Palmar wrote: Ok we're starting on Wednesday, Mar 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](https://giant.gfycat.com/DownrightJitteryAnnashummingbird.gif) | ||
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![[image loading]](http://assets.forddirect.fordvehicles.com/assets/2016_Ford_Expedition_J1/NGBS/Model_Image3/Model_Image3_136B520C-1AD6-4419-8794-C04F8794C04F.png) | ||
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On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote: Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours. damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT. | ||
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On March 24 2016 08:47 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT? re LS: assuming a conclusion before asking for clarification, bad mindset. potentially mafia mindset. re damdred: his reaction to my role claim makes him unlikely VT. i don't usually post pictures without a point or for a laugh. no further thoughts. | ||
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vivax supebia damdred lightningstrike | ||
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On March 24 2016 10:17 LightningStrike wrote: What you don't like about me? Talk to me bro. usage of "weird" and "odd" assume a conclusion before asking for clarification having no stated response or conclusion to the clarification not thinking vivax noticing small details is townie over defensive response to vivax pressure -> immediately to "you're like hf trying to ml me" questions that don't lead to fruitful places | ||
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On March 24 2016 11:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ritoky might be scum for bluehunting. There is nothing else in this thread that I care about. for my alignment, please refer to the picture of the ford expedition. if you do not understand, think harder. | ||
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cuz currently i only have 3 people as possible vt..... | ||
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On March 24 2016 12:39 rsoultin wrote: @.@ gah okay now i really want to lynch you well you're not VT. cuz clearly you have never seen an expedition before in your life. also would vote you cuz you slandered me. slandered me with bad information too; please see cell mafia for clarification on everyone holding dumbass reads on LS and not listening to reason. | ||
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some people call it fishing, some people call it angle shooting, some people want ppl modkilled for it; i did it cuz palmar made a deal out of it and i wanted to try and loophole his rules. | ||
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On March 24 2016 13:03 rsoultin wrote: well then maybe you should get on that lol >< anywhooo...have class tomorrow and don't need to spam this thread up more than i already have word to the wise, rit...get useful ^^ my itch to lynch you isn't going away nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord. but that said i was angle shooting to locate all the VT in the game whatchoo done to advance the game suckafoo? other than slander my LS read, which while normally terrible was better than every non-mafia player's read on him last game which makes my epeen a little bit larger than others and out of proper slanderation range. also i don't think you'll vote on me because it will make you pretty much mafia 8 out of 10 times. firstly because i am pretty much rock solid VT to an undeniable degree, plus i am being an arrogant provoking prick right here instead of ingratiating myself with people and driving for a foothold in town circle which is my general day 1 strat as mafia. but mostly because it violates your own established read on me, which is...and I QUOTE "wow, every time i think rit is town he is mafia and every time i think he is mafia, he is town >< i need to flip my read" -rsoultin, some random amount of time ago but really what it comes down to is that in closed setups as VT it is great to locate other VT or gauge how many VT are in the game and begin forming a coalition; an expedition if you will. it creates a situation where if we VT can properly locate eachother and form a block, then mafia must deal with us and our power otherwise they are conceding day phases. so either they concede day phases to a degree by ignoring us or they let us dominate day phases and target blues. locating other VTs as VT is amazingly beneficial in closed setups and worth angle shooting or fishing to find; people who think otherwise have an entirely different mindset about procedural play in mafia than i do and we probably disagree on most things. VTs unite, let us go on our expedition together. and by let us go on our expedition together i mean let's all unite and get together and then you guys carry me to the end cuz i currently lack the effort levels to carry another game. i just wanna be like the guy who barely makes it on frame in the super hero team picture. also tumblewood might be mafia for dat random pile on @ opportune time with little else done or said, but who actually read this hot trash i just dropped that most people will probably think is disruptive to the game rather than actually a decent idea that can only come from town. or they will just say "nai troll" and move on waiting for me to get pissed off and change, but i plan to muster everything inside me, become a person of the gutter, steel my belly; and hold onto my current performance levels for as long as i can. LET'S GO ON AN EXPEDITION YO'S FO RIZZZZZZZLLLELEEEEELELELELELELELELELELLELELELEELLELE why didn't i stop typing 5 mins ago, this was better and funnier when it was shorter, now it is just kinda sad rambling. a person with a good sense of humor is like a good chef, you need to know restraint. when to stop and simply leave the turd lying on the floor awkwardly. i did not have that restraint here and thus the comedic value dropped quite substantially. it makes me sad a little bit; but at some point the tedium and rambling becomes funny again? right? right? | ||
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We Dem Readz Vivax + Show Spoiler + tryhard mode engaged, cares, noticing small details and making a fuss about them instead of painting in broad strokes sicklucker + Show Spoiler + yo, cuz he ain't who he was last time and also he went deep for that pocket sudden flip of read on me when he had moment of clarity. i am yours baby, riding in your pocket protector until you flub up gumshoe + Show Spoiler + foot -> mouth + can't see how town i am + early effort + frustration = newer town, get fukt my newbdar has been amazing recently but y'know i suck as town so w/e superbia + Show Spoiler + upgraded to full green after consideration. the superbia of my mind lacks proper cojones to claim not VT as mafia and then do some stupidly bad retraction non-retraction stuff. probably town cuz too risky that early as mafia, doesn't strike me as a risk taker as mafia justanothertownie + Show Spoiler + called what i was doing silly at what felt like standard jat timing, not too soon, not too late, and proper levels of shitting on it, not making a deal out of it. hate his hang back d1 style but he does it as both alignments so meh obiwanshinobi + Show Spoiler + i love being told to go fuck myself, it makes me read people town generally rsoultin + Show Spoiler + she isn't advancing the game, she slandered me for bad raisins, and she is trying to berate me into playing better which makes me wanna play worse. if she votes on me and goes back on her standard read then she is probably red. also stop defending LS -.- like srsly guy is intentionally trying to do different things and is probably aware of what he is doing and you're still defending him for old reasons even though he stated expressly he is trying to fuck with his standard of play...STAHHHHHPPPPP damdred + Show Spoiler + this read may not have stuck after i realized VT may have diff names or there's so few of us that my strat works like doo doo; except damdred's level of general objection was so low that i feel like it is probably true anywayz. also him saying my picture was boring was both hurtful and out of character since he know outside of trying to be funny (how is a random car picture funny?) my pictures usually have a function. lightningstrike + Show Spoiler + nothing has changed: On March 24 2016 10:22 ritoky wrote: usage of "weird" and "odd" assume a conclusion before asking for clarification having no stated response or conclusion to the clarification not thinking vivax noticing small details is townie over defensive response to vivax pressure -> immediately to "you're like hf trying to ml me" questions that don't lead to fruitful places still applies tumblewood + Show Spoiler + opportune pile on time when previously holding an opinion of "NAI", not doing a whole lot in general but specifically to advance his read on me from NAI to scum -> pure reactionary piling, not checking off a lot of my "things newer players do as town" boxes; thus might be the other alignment if you didn't make the list sorry, try harder next time to make me feel something about you in my loins. | ||
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ignore the part where mods may have distributed fake role pms to mafia that makes me not fully confirmed, altho the "you don't get unnecessary stuff bit" makes me doubt it a bit wow i am legit proud of myself right now for how i gamed dis bitch. i mean it crumbled in flames and didn't yield what i wanted but that's on other people not responding properly imo, the plan was solid in my head and in my heart. | ||
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or it's just occam's razor and i am VT who tried to leverage my role pm to locate other VT and gumshoe's flip pretty much proves i am VT. didn't shoot him, whoever did is an idiot if they are town. | ||
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and what am i supposed to learn from that shot exactly? if it was from a town then they should claim it and then there's potential info in the early votes on him. if it is from mafia or 3p, it will likely be unclaimed and i don't think there's much to gather from it other than of the 4 people voting on him maybe 1 at most is mafia since you don't pile on some1 ur about to day shoot. and the tinfoil theory is if that shit had anything to do with him posting BJ 3x, people should probably not say it or claim if they are forced to by something going forward. | ||
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it's pretty simple about rsoul though: 1) i find her game so far lacks real depth and any teeth. she has pretty much 2 reads: a) ritoky is mafia cuz he typed b) LS is town cuz he typed; the amount of players she is not evaluating or attempting to evaluate is too large. she isn't caring to look at 75% of the game and consider their alignments or push to learn anything about their alignments, her scope is too narrow. 2) she is not listening to her own read on me, which is to flip her read. 3) forcing a narrative instead of looking at a whole. primary example being that her primary scum read posted a giant post of reads which from what small indications i see in her filter, she actually agrees with quite a few of; but rather than elect to comment and evaluate the entirety of information before her, she pushes the same tired and false narrative. 4) reading LS town for old reasons. a player says "i am going to try to mess with my standard of play" and you meta read him town; i can't even. but beyond that LS has done nothing to warrant a TR from anyone. almost all he has done is ask continuation questions that aren't particularly pointed and take information without giving opinions of his own. she shouldn't ever be making that read based on his play thus far and shouldn't be making a meta read based on LS's pregame comments; so i think the read is a pile, which means both her reads are piles. | ||
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On March 25 2016 05:06 LightningStrike wrote: She was the host our last game together to be honest and I had talked to her in real life laughing about the fake anger and she said it was kinda weird lol.... Anyways I already gave some of my reads they just kinda spread out atm I probably give a list out soon. okay? what does that have to do with my read at all? | ||
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"explain pls" -> "irrelevant comment" -> "well it's okay, let me wait and get back to you later"; you concluded nothing about my or rsouls alignment from that question. this is not an isolated incident either, this is much of your filter. why ask the question if you're going nowhere with it? and shape makes a giant read post and your only thought is "explain SL" who he says pretty much "i can't properly explain this, it is meta"....that's all you cared about from that and you made no determinations about his alignment from it? really? | ||
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ritoky superbia sl shape used to be town, but dropoff after town reads: vivax town leans: jat obi VA don't wanna lynch today, reluctant/hesitant town: koshi dunno cuz no idea what roles are in the game, townish, re-eval later: slam mafia leans: LS tumblewood mafia: rsoul policy: sandroba ticktock no solid opinions: kurumi stutters rels (although me thinking his reads are super bad right now might be alignment indicative) tubesock | ||
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On March 25 2016 06:38 Rels wrote: ritoky could you lay out exactly what town benefits you were going for with your plan ? i spelled it out multiple times, but sure. i am vt, i know nothing about the setup since it is closed. i have been in closed setups that are basically the same as a normal game and closed setups with 20 players, 19 of which are roles or mafia. i wanted to gauge the nature of how many PRs were in the game while locating all the VTs and narrowing down my potential mafia greatly. so i angle shot using the name of the role, assuming all town roles are named the same thing and that mafia either didn't get fake role pms or were too careless to reference them and understand what i was doing before it was already too late. the goal was to utilize the picture of the expedition, have people understand it, realize expedition was also in their role pm, and start forming a coalition of townies who understood we were all town based on the understanding of the expedition. from there you have a large block of people who identify eachother as near lock town and there is a vast amount of control over the day phase because of it as well as a smaller pool of people for potentially mafia. it forces mafia into an awkward spot where they have to choose to not PR hunt and leave PRs alive thus costing them a great deal or leave this large block of semi-confirmed townies alive and concede a ton of day phase control. the mafia lose something large either way. i think it is a pretty well devised plan, apparently i am alone. | ||
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On March 25 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote: Superbia isn't a coward as scum and you don't even need any stones to do that. It is completely nai. i suppose i could have him mislabled in my head, but he identified me as town, he has a high effort level, and his reads aren't trash; so he's got a lot going for him. | ||
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i mean on some level i confirmed myself as town, which is cool; but overall the execution was bad and all i felt i got from it was that superbia might be VT, damd felt red or blue, slam wasn't vt, and SL pocketed me. the results were bad, but the plan was not. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:06 justanothertownie wrote: Once they realize that you are testing them which you outed extremely early btw. they just look it up. The result is that you tell mafia who is blue and learn nothing yourself. agree to disagree. i will defend that plan as really good in and outside the game, and even if it gets me lynched. i agree with you my execution was bad, the picture was too unclear of communication, and i got antsy and should have held silent longer. i also think the plan was so poorly executed that it isn't devastating or even detrimental like you seem to think. if executed properly i think it is a massive town sided swing. if you disagree on the EV i dunno, we just disagree about gameplay. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:13 Rels wrote: Why did you post these 1h30 after the picture ? don't care why i posted them, i did; honestly don't give a fuck anymore. people shitting on a great idea simply because they don't like angle shooting or it is not "standard play". great plan. GREAT PLAN | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:19 Kurumi wrote: You do know that hard setups like to have additional conditional KP? Like Assassins? You could've put us into a quite a pickle. who cares if 2 blues die if you have idk....8 semi-confirmed townies operating as a voting block.....do you seriously undervalue townies knowing with 95% certainty who eachother are that much...just absolutely mindblowing.... people are so opposed to making plays for terrible reasons and they are eeyores about it on top of it. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:21 Damdred wrote: And if you get blue roles shot early what then? It's not a great plan especially with janitors Roleblocks, power stealers, mafia mason assassinations ( who copy the persons power) There's so much that could go wrong that can screw town. Let a line third parties in game IF THEY DO THEN YOU HAVE A MILLION SEMI-CONFIRMED TOWN SITTING THERE ALIVE HOLY CRAP DOES NO ONE UNDERSTAND HOW 8 TOWN KNOWING FOR SURE WHO EACHOTHER ARE IS AS OR MORE POWERFUL THAN 2 PRS OR W/E?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Rels wrote: Yeah exactly, so why did you out when you had 1 non VT and 1 maybe VT ? because the car picture wasn't getting enough traction on it's own and it was too ambiguous and people didn't care. i wanted to indicate i was making a play to others. in reality simply closing the thread and leaving it sitting there would have had the same or greater effect over time as jat said, but i have trouble remaining inactive | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:24 Kurumi wrote: Wait why 8? cuz i picked a random fucking large number | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:26 Tubesock wrote: Ritoky is arguing why communism is such a great idea on paper. communism is not good on paper. socialism is good on paper. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:28 Rels wrote: This doesn't explain the "Damdred is blue" thing you're being so thick it is painful. blue or red, not blue firstly. and it is an indicator of differentiated response to the play i am making hey look at this VT response, look at this non-VT response. HEY ALL VTs I AM MAKING A PLAY AROUND US, READ YOUR FUCKING ROLE PM AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING. that didn't happen. blew my wad. should have closed the thread. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:33 Kurumi wrote: Is it really that huge? 21 players total. 4 probably Mafia. 17 players left. 8 players believe that they are Town. You still have 9 Townies not sharing that sentiment. That's excluding possible 3rd party shenanigans and different Mafia size (I could see it being 5 even). It does not seem that huge. Because it is 8 players analysing 13 players, you are much more likely to down or out a blue. This would probably result in last minute switch shenanigans and disorder. This would lead to Mafia having even more information. In that 8, you could have three Mafia who figured out that it is a good idea to get on that Ford Wave and now you have 5 townies believing strongly that 3 players are Townie, but are actually Mafia. Mafia creates lynch after lynch, blue blood is the last sight of the day, blue blood is the first sight of the day and since this setup is about being careful, I don't see it being good. you're right because so many people were so easily able to identify what i was doing. and mafia always play perfectly, especially immediately at the start of the game when worried about thread entrance. infiltration was a HUGE RISK. man i was stupid to ever consider what i was doing. thank you. not. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Whatever this is pointless Then am I mafia ritoky you're blue red or black. not green. if you think i am mafia then i am inclined toward red or black. | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:34 Rels wrote: Meh. Will sleep on it and reread the game tomorrow. Like, this is maybe believable but the plan is so bad and you don't admit it and you're a super good player, especially regarding mechanics ... it's a closed setup with maybe crazy roles, no way is it a good idea to out blues. And it's also difficult for you to think scum wouldn't have the VT fakeclaim. Read on VA ? VA is townish cuz he thinks rsoul is mafia and is right cuz she is. and the plan is fucking good, it is not bad. honestly so dumb if you think it is bad. it is at worst a wash and at best massively townsided. yeah angle shooting is kinda shady so i can understand people not liking it on principle, but not because it is a bad idea, which it is not. | ||
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first thing you've said in pages that i have agreed with. + Show Spoiler + great plan | ||
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On March 25 2016 07:52 Damdred wrote: That wasn't the question Ritoky the question is give your actual read on me. My read on you is already in my filter so let's have it and give up on this red blue or black keep it simple town scum etc. me giving a real read on you day 1 literally got me hard pocketed last game so i am going back to my old strat of night 1 earliest solid read on you | ||
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1) Her read on LS - On March 22 2016 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: /in Student game taking to long to fill. Pregame excuse: I changing play styles due to my last scum breaking my meta. This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit. 2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game: On February 17 2016 09:32 rsoultin wrote: not lynching the truffle ^^ he sounded like a truffle what does a truffle sound like? truffle sounds like a truffle in this game #circularreasoningftw also not lynching a breshke...so i saw the points on shapelog, eden...the thing that was bugging me about his posting was it almost seemed over the top, like he's trying to sound cheery when he isn't. also, he clearly didn't understand what you were getting at lol >< if he didn't realize that any millers in the game would be aware millers disclaimer: i don't think i've ever played with shapelog, so the toneread is meh probably. for those who have played with him, is he always this OMG OMG sunshine!!! hahahaha! 2nd disclaimer: dumbtell lol...of course scum can also fail to read the op but eh On February 17 2016 11:28 rsoultin wrote: lol >< no one is commenting on my shape toneread it's making me itch On February 17 2016 11:39 rsoultin wrote: yeah that wasn't well-organized, even for me lol >< shape is my preferred lynch who i'm trying to get people to talk about and scott i want to hear more from but he's the other there ^^ that's better also i think i like tumble, at least enough to remove him from the d1 lynch pool On February 17 2016 12:00 rsoultin wrote: can we lynch shape? -bats lashes at- alternatively, if we're lynching players with pre-game excuses, gb is always fun to lynch lol On February 17 2016 12:08 rsoultin wrote: idk, like i could lynch into shape scott gb shining but tbh the only ones i actually suspect are shape and scott...the other two are just eh to me. fine defaults if we can't find/agree on anything better. they're null-to-scummy as opposed to just null On February 18 2016 01:18 rsoultin wrote: :/ i resent that, scott shape is mafia cause tone (i.e. forced) which even he admits and cause i can't seem to get half the game to even talk about him though i mentioned my read like half a dozen times @.@ bresh started so yay bresh! and i think truffle looked briefly too if i recall It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia. 3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it. 4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me. 5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post: LS, vivax - town for meta SL - maybe town for meta slam - policy -> okay with lynch shape - mafia cuz omgus rit - mafia over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia. 6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia. 7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted. + Show Spoiler + Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. She's very VERY likely mafia. | ||
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On March 27 2016 09:40 rsoultin wrote: Unfortunate shot :/ Phone posting. I'm town, guys. If you need a rebuttal I'll get to it when I'm at a computer but the short version is basically: 1. LS is objectively shimmy lynchbait. Not using other means to read him is retarded. 2. Only valid if I don't latch onto scumreads d1 and push the shot out of them as town. I do. Bad meat is bad. 3. Irrelevant. The town mindset is missing behind his play and a play like that has nothing to do with how I normally read him + he's just been calling me scrum and associating from there. What amazing content? 4. Rit is scum. Invalid. 5. Untrue. Will prove if have to but don't feel that's needed. 6. Consolidating on a scrum or non-town read over getting lynched is never a mafia tell, and I have a long history of doing that whether getting lynched or not. 7. I'm town so whatever lol >< 1. I content read LS as mafia last game and everyone told me to get bent for stupid read reasons. I don't think he is being that dissimilar in terms of content this game, particularly that he is taking information and giving little to none back. And he is deliberately trying to stop being lynch bait...what you're saying is essentially "I do not believe LS is capable of play variance so my read doesn't need to change", which may be true I don't know, but is also incredibly disrespectful and easily exploited. On an unrelated note rels exited last game having hard defended LS for the "caps lock" read and promised to never fall for it again and be vastly more critical of LS moving forward. To which I ask, where the hell has that been thus far? 2. Except when they post reads or more stuff, you talk about it as town, interact with them further, compound their new information to build a stronger case; you don't just repeat the same tired line 85x. 3. Have you even clicked my filter? I think it has more words in it than yours, maybe you didn't click the spoilers in some posts. I may be low post count this game, but lack of content isn't a problem in my filter; you're electing to ignore it and your own read. 4. This is why it is hard for me to get out of this tunnel. Because you just saw me make this post, and not for a second did you consider an alternative. It is simply, "everything is wrong, omgus you're mafia cuz of angle shooting". I think I am very obvious and near confirmed town post-vigi shot; your lack of ever considering an alternative is not good for you. 5. I mean, I clicked your filter and went through all your posts and you had some other "reads" that were full of maybes and wafflings or irrelevant comments. Those were the only actual reads that stated anything definitive. 6. It's the mindset, townies go for the lynch they believe in, not the lynch that they can get. Plus you're tied/leading when you afk the thread; and I assume you're claiming blue soon. So if you're worried about dying and have to leave why aren't you claiming there? Maybe you weren't all that worries cuz goon squad was behind you. 7. 2 points dodged. | ||
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On March 27 2016 11:20 sandroba wrote: Rsoul, why is shooting you would be "a really bad idea"? So far you claimed a role that you apparently don't know what it does, it can simply do nothing. Or another reason for not shoot you is because you are an extremelly valuable town asset, which I'm not seeing either. This. Very much this. Your role is effectively useless without its counterpart which is someone you don't know and who could be of the opposite alignment? You don't know what your role is capable of; but it is a "really bad idea" to shoot you or lynch you? Also when your role is this convoluted to the point where even if you claimed it in the thread no one would really know what the hell it does and if you're a priority night kill; why don't you claim it when you're tied in votes and have to leave the thread? That said I have slightly softened based on the content of the claim because it almost seems so wonky it might be true...but her play and the method of claim and everything about this stinks.....ugh I wanna conf bias so hard on this. | ||
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On March 27 2016 15:46 Alakaslam wrote: I haven't received any mod notes but I had to take a shower and thought sorry I fly off the handle I deal with shit but so does everyone I have no reason or right to hold grudges It's fine slam, stress and loss can make even the most upstanding into belligerents. As long as you walk forward without malice in your heart, I am sure there won't be any issues. Game related though; did you read the sandroba claimed the only nk and is claiming vig? or was your read made without that information? | ||
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lynch pile for me currently is something like TT/tumble/rsoul/LS/rels ....particularly my newfound pov that is LS or rels is mafia i feel like the other one is too. vivax rapidly declining his way into that list, and VA makes me ask myself if i really want to give him a free pass until monday....hopefully some PR sorts that shit out. yolo lynch for me is koshi | ||
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i posted the picture -> people aren't grasping what i am doing because they scroll past the picture w/o thinking -> i make a post indicating the picture is a play -> that post was dumb and i shoulda just stayed quiet to let it develop -> the play then becomes a clusterfuck. basically it fucked up because i, as a player, am bad at staying quiet and on the sidelines when i am available to post. if that explanation doesn't reach you, that's on you cuz it is the truth. outside of that, which i guess i can understand how my filter can be read as me utilizing my play to confirm myself rather than build something (altho i do tend to try and find ridiculous ways to confirm myself as town); no i don't understand how i can be read mafia. i have deep reads, not as much as i would like but that's due to the holiday primarily, have spent a lot of time attempting to drive the game forward or develop my reads (i mean a lot of this is at your expense so i guess you wouldn't view it as useful)....and i think some of what i have done and said i can't do as mafia....so yeah i think i am pretty blatantly town outside of the fact that i was spamming the word expedition and claiming VT and then a VT flipped as an expedition member. | ||
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every1 else has claimed pro-actively; SL and kuru not in conjunction with a flip...that correct? also kuru was your shot refunded after shooting koshi? that could be telling if you shot into prot or a rb because aren't rb bullets refunded generally and prot bullets not? | ||
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that is what i am seeing as VT and that sequence of events doesn't look particularly town/blue....i don't understand why you don't claim to ensure you make it through the phase if you have to leave and can't be certain you'll survive...especially knowing your role is linked to another person you can also potentially get hints as to who your partner is....and then the reactive claim after pressure + convenience of same role as has flipped. this is what i am seeing, so explain to me how this is town motivated. | ||
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so the options are: 1 - town -> item -> potential useful information 2 - town -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow 3 - mafia -> item -> net loss, will probably say no item or lie about usage to seem more town 4 - mafia -> nothing -> we are at the same place tomorrow ugh that's a shitty EV imo | ||
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maybe rels/LS cuz i made that yolo they together read....also when i glanced at rels filter he responded negatively to LS a few times, but then didn't include him in his read list at all...which i found extremely odd. | ||
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On March 24 2016 23:54 Rels wrote: This seems like you opportunisticly posted that after JAT attacked this read. but then On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote: Caught up. I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time. Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not. Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it. Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble. Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA. People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other. nowhere... | ||
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the main reason i don't is that he has both me and rsoul as scum which kinda feels like he is posturing to be on the right side regardless. plus his koshi and vivax reads....they are literally "ezpz town never lynch"; which i don't see for either those seem like really odd reads to be his strongest. he also thinks 2 ppl who claimed vigi are both mafia in slam and kuru; expressly wanting to lynch kuru...but not explaining how claiming a failed kp on koshi is mafia motivated. the main reason i think he is town is 2 observations: 1) in his slam read he posts about how slam was considering shooting kuru, but then trusted kuru's read on gumshoe and shot gumshoe and how that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and 2) this post: On March 28 2016 14:29 Tictock wrote: I didn't say you two were on a team, you were both scum leans but I'm sure not on the same team given how your going at each other. Though since this setup could be multi-faction you could both be mafia (on opposing teams) or some kinda anti-town. I'm not trying to build teams at all, just reading individuals. Also why do you give me a pass on scum-reading LS but not Rit? that bolded part...idk why but it feels really town to me...especially considering he has me leaning scum. i kinda think TT is town...but i am really hesitant about that read. | ||
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On March 28 2016 18:02 rsoultin wrote: eh, that doesn't really make anyone scum though...bad d1 reads? lol as for the ls thing him falling into a lean doesn't seem completely unreasonable i'd say it's mostly being underwhelming if it's anything, but he's also been lynched as town for that recently if i recall like seriously lol >< i do think that maybe him being the only one really picking up what i was laying down might make him more likely scum since no one else seemed to really see it (jat and damdy kinda did i spose but eh) it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter. | ||
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On March 28 2016 18:34 Vivax wrote: Judging from the stuff that Rels posted on LS which btw I had to research myself instead of ritoky just posting what he means (and im lazy so I dislike that) Rels only says 1 of the LS posts seemed opportunistic, while the others are just reasons to disagree with something, so don't really know why ritoky expects a full fledged read. Not to mention most of it was D1 stuff, Rels is basically afk this game. On March 28 2016 18:12 ritoky wrote: it's also given the context in my mind of him HARD defending LS over the capslock read in the previous game (cell) then post game and in the QT swearing to be substantially more critical of him in all games going forward....i expected a strong opinion/decent amount of focus on solving LS from a town rels and i didn't get it from his filter. | ||
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On March 26 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote: "Wake up, town" reads list VayneAuthority - idk how anyone is TRing him. He was here for a little bit and now he'll miss all of this phase. That's NAI at best. Kurumi - He's almost comically angry. I'm kinda just sheeping Rels on this and Damdred - His reads are really shallow, like "LS obv town" and nothing else. His D1 scumlist also sucked-- 2 plynches, tubesock, and kurumi (the only one who even kinda goes against what people think) [and me but with a disclaimer]. ALSO one time he said there's one scum between me and Tube because of some nonexistent exchange between us. k i'm done now i swear sandroba - Making the same reads as everyone else (when present), but for much worse reasons ObiWanShinobi - he hasn't been present much, but I like the quality of his reads Koshi - people are like "oh angry koshi = town koshi" but his displays of emotion so far have been utterly fakeable Rels - he's been insightful this game and actually has original, non-obvious reads which are hard to fake when you're not looking for something justanothertownie - I don't want to read his filter so I'm just going to say he's being aggressive and leave it at that. ritoky - Either obv town or obv scum and I can't tell which is which sicklucker - Doesn't he on D1 act scummy even as town? If not everyone in Devil Inside Mafia lied to me. Alakaslam - he's a vig Shapelog - He blends in far more than he usually does. Usually when he blends in it's because I'm ignoring all his posts, but this time it's because I don't notice it's him. Even though he has a 7-page filter, it seems he's not putting very much effort into the game. Vivax - he's doing a pretty alright job, y'know? rsoultin - I was really on the fence about this earlier but with Tubesock turning up town I think rsoul is also town. LightningStrike - One time I played with someone who was obvious town in his first game. LS is playing the same way, except it's not his first game. This makes him ??? Superbia - He's attacking the game in unorthodox ways, which I think is townie, if that makes sense. these town reads are extremely biazarre | ||
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On March 28 2016 18:49 Vivax wrote: Lol if I'm more scummy than shape who is just a totally different person than usual in this game or even Koshi who is playing a completely different game than he does as town then I'm totally down for a rsoultin spitelynch, whether shes mafia or not. explain the shape read to me plz. i am statistically awful at reading him....also i have a headache and his filter is 8 pages which is too daunting @ 3am. | ||
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why do people have asterisks? why is OWS so high? reasons for the 4 people at the bottom of your list? how did i climb so high so fast? why is sandroba the most likely town of the 3 claimed kp? stuff like that please. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:29 Tumblewood wrote: I can see Koshi doing his best Vivax impression and letting himself get lynched so he can yell at people till deadline. ???????????????????????????? wtf is this post???????? | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:42 Kurumi wrote: Account me for a vote on Koshi, I'll be around in one hour, I've been reading the thread, but I had no time to put up any coherent response, because family time and shouting at me for being a vegetarian lol happy birthday | ||
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On March 29 2016 05:08 Kurumi wrote: Okay, so obviously I voted Koshi. I guess no additional comments are needed from me on this topic. I hated the sicklucker/rsoultin exchange and sicklucker spam, jesus christ, what was that? I think JAT, Superbia, Dam, Shape, LS and sandroba are OK. Ticktock has said he believes rso on the basis of crumbs, but has for some reason not seen me crumbing Koshi as someone I want dead since the very first post (also, the rendez-vous part...) so I have no idea what the hell happened there. I have no idea why VA pops in just to propose Tumble as a lynch without pushing him hard enough given the time we have left. OBS is sceptic enough for me to believe he is on the town side. Scum list: Koshi rsoultin ritoky VA/Ticktock Ritoky is too apathetic and my old reasons still are here, as for his question: you'd like to know what happened to my bullet, friend. You'd like to. I believe sandroba's claim, I believe that Slam is Town, rso could be a fifth party planar dragon for all I care. Any questions? you smoking crack? | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:02 Superbia wrote: Ritoky wutu think bout these wagons? i think my opinion on rsoul has been pretty clear. it has softened a bit....not sure if to the point where she's anywhere near my town, but to the point where i am willing to consider seeing what she does/claims to do with the item and re-assess again after. koshi i said was my yolo lynch, but that's like 30% omgus, 70% when he started yelling at me it didn't feel like full fledged town koshi rage. but i think those are pretty bad reasons tbh. tumblewood....does anyone think he is town? i don't. he is kinda LHF, but i don't think there's particularly anything in his filter that makes me think he is town. i think looking at the votes currently, i am vastly more comfortable with the people on tumble and koshi than on rsoul...i only think me and sl are town on rsoul which is pretty sketch....i also am not enthralled by the non-voters. i might move my vote, not exactly sure where yet...... as a side note, rels having a case against him and being afk the entire phase but getting 0 lynch traction reinforces my belief that there is a strong likelihood he is mafia. | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:17 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, this is your last chance to explain to me why you write stuff like the bolded before I call bullshit on you. Why are you so sure that she is town? ^ | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:23 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly I don't give a fuck if I get lynched over my Tina read but I think she is town. i am okay with lynching you | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:27 Rels wrote: Seems you're mafia that sees I'm finally coming back and discredits me before I even post. You know you can read me super well since you coached me, you said it in both nutcracker and millionaire, so it's weird you're not waiting to see what I think of everybody. Explan ? I don't see how a case can be made on me apart from "he's not active" BTW. damdred's filter and my filter. mine is 2 posts about you reading LS, damdred's is the one with numbers. would get them for you, but on phone. | ||
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On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi,justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Tumblewood: (0): ritoky (0): Alakaslam (0): Damdred (0): sandroba (0): Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood Day 1 ends in . On March 29 2016 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 2 Final Votecount Tictock (9): Vivax, LightningStrike, Shapelog, Rels, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, rsoultin, Tumblewood Koshi (5): rsoultin (2): Tumblewood (2): VayneAuthority, Kurumi (0): sandroba (0): Superbia (0): Not Voting (0): Day 2 ends in . Notification: Some countries are affected by the DST. The deadline will remain the same in UTC. for myself | ||
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On March 30 2016 08:14 Superbia wrote: Actually Ritoky really likes to bus as mafia. Like really really likes to bus. I base this on 1 game. i do love a good bus, but i don't think i have full cased a teammate since that game with holyflare over a yr ago where he just randomly decided to start trying to shennanie onto me w/o a word in the QT and i went full rage-bus on him. | ||
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On March 30 2016 08:19 Superbia wrote: Where he rolled town after hard bussing his team mate slam d1. I was shouting for his lynch d2 but got miss lynched myself instead. Just look under my name in database for a game where I got miss lynched d2. was that the one where i desperately tried to get slam lynched all d1, but town didn't listen to me, then i spammed all night for a vigi shot on slam, vigi shot slam, and rode that cred to the end? | ||
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pretty sure every dead mafia has called me mafia, so it seems like its not the worst. | ||
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if damdred is mafia with her -> gives explanation why damdred keeps living through phases, since "mafia is afraid to shoot the vest" if damdred is town -> "i gave damdred a vest" -> "uhhh, no you didn't" -> "guess i was roleblocked guys!" -> get lynched it is very confusing to me right now. | ||
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team a: koshi, tumble, x team b: some amalgamation of koshi, ls, rels, ows, super; maybe scott, maybe shape | ||
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damdred - town cuz claim; only revisit if 3 nights later is still alive sl - town cuz claim + diff play from when mafia + telling rsoul in thread "your best bet it to push rels" would have just posted that in qt kurumi - town under the assumption shot rsoul sandroba - town cuz claiming shot there only makes sense from onegu style mafia, sandro doesn't strike me as 1gu style tumblewood - town cuz votes unless koshi is red kinda my headspace | ||
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On March 26 2016 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount Tubesock (8): ObiWanShinobi, Kurumi, Vivax, Koshi,justanothertownie, Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred rsoultin (6): Superbia, VayneAuthority, ritoky, sandroba, Shapelog, sicklucker Kurumi (2): Tubesock, rsoultin Tumblewood: (0): ritoky (0): Alakaslam (0): Damdred (0): sandroba (0): Not Voting (4): Stutters695, Tictock, Alakaslam, Tumblewood Day 1 ends in . mafia had to save rsoul to some degree on this day; there's no way they just let a red PR go down for free on d1 when there is reasonable doubt being shown. we have 2 confirmed red and neither was a vote to save rsoul. the living people who voted to save her are OWS, kuru, koshi, rels, LS, and damd damd claimed doctor and since no1 else has said shit i am just assuming kurumi had shot refunded and shot rsoul. making them both extremely likely town. that list becomes OWS, LS, rels, koshi. probably 2 mafia in that list of 4. | ||
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On March 30 2016 22:22 Superbia wrote: Exactly this. Exactly. Kurumi scum makes so much sense. I don't even think I would believe him if he claimed a shot on rso. wat? | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:09 Kurumi wrote: Guys... I would love to claim the rsoultin shot and I would have done it... the problem is I just could not. It was not me. But on the other hand, I wanted to lynch her D2 - I had to go before the lynch because surprise cake (I had my B-day yesterday, not two days ago - TL runs on Korean time, also thanks ritoky for the happy b-day). When I saw that there are some shennanies brewing I had two thoughts: "Kurumi, you are not the shennanies guy. Do you remember good shennanies? No, you don't." and "Shennanies fail. What then? Koshi/rso/tumble die. Are you fine with it? The least with Tumble, but you could be wrong on your lurker of choice and he rubbed you the wrong way. They want to go for Ticktock, are you okay with that? Sure am. So I don't need to swing my phone in front of my birthday cake." As for Jat's plan of me being in a team with Ticktock... with how N1 went, he could've claimed he saved anybody and we'd be none the wiser. Add the roleblocking bit and we're also in a weird spot. I really shot Koshi. I really lost my bullet. I have no idea why. Koshi's alive. The rules for refunding bullets vary from the game and this one won't tell me which one is it because of info rules. ........................... | ||
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On March 31 2016 00:37 VayneAuthority wrote: eh whatever kurumi or sandroba is scum, lynching outside them is idiocy but im sure it will happen might be an emotional overreaction by me, but i tend to agree sk or scum between them is likely....3 vigis for town and an sk? don't buy that. 3 vigis i already wasn't fully buying. | ||
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On March 31 2016 03:17 sicklucker wrote: its acualy amazing this has to be repated over and over. like if theres any two players not alligned in the whole game its me and her. like over every single 2 person convo we are easily the most obvious ... ? you done? | ||
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On March 31 2016 03:59 Kurumi wrote: There was a Mafia Poisoner in Storm 1, so possible. hm, hadn't considered poisoner.... | ||
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well i mean, we allegedly have 3 claimed vigis, 1 claimed doctor, and 1 claimed vet all alive, with 3 dead blues correct? 1st, please examine that....8 town PRs in 21 man game? someone is full of shit or the mafia team has some op as fuck powers. but i guess moreso i don't suspect there will be any more blues, have the blues claim their names and have everyone else go on record claiming VT and lynch them if they say otherwise. it will limit the range in which mafia can play. also i don't think we lose anything because i don't think there are any more PRs that haven't claimed, and if there are then wtf.... | ||
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how exactly does mafia rsoul electing to not vote on her counter-wagon but instead vote on a completely different person equate to kurumi is scum partners? if anything it just shows that rsoul learned 1 of my tactics as scum. i guess she afk'd immediately after rather than push it, but i'll take her word (even as flipped scum) that irl got in the way and made her miss the deadline. so point 1 makes no sense to me because i just don't see how you get from a to b. re point 2: firstly "hold your kp horses" reads more as "get ready everyone, there's about to be tons of kp" more than "ppl shouldn't use their kp. i think you misread. and i believe he had 3 strong mafia reads: me, rsoul, and koshi; and he shot 1...why is this mafia? he shot the person he thought was mafia over a lurker he didn't feel as strongly about, therefore mafia? don't get it either. re point 3: this point is okay, i can somewhat understand it; but i think the more important thing you didn't talk about is that he wants to lynch koshi because he shot koshi, koshi didn't die, and he does not believe koshi was doc saved; which isn't unreasonable (also has it been explained how koshi didn't die?), but then doesn't push incredibly hard for the lynch and then whines when it doesn't materialize. that's the better point imo. re point 4: this one i get the least....that reads more as TT wanting to have kuru as a ML candidate than anything to do with partners. you're gonna have to try and explain that one way more clearly. i mean i know i shouldn't respond to this before kuru, but that case really doesn't make much sense to me at all. | ||
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On March 31 2016 11:24 Damdred wrote: vivax blocked kurumi. Which explains d1 quite well and last night for that matter. did he outright claim it? if so can you quote it for me | ||
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kp2 from ????? -> jat protected -> damd claims protection and notification of success kp3 from sandroba -> stutters resolved kp1 from ???? -> jat resolved kp2 from ???? -> vivax resolved kp3 not from mafia1 or vigi -> rsoultin resolved night 2 kp1 or kp2 must be from mafia1 | ||
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On March 31 2016 11:52 Kurumi wrote: You really want info like that in setup where you won't get notified of a roleblock ever? hahahaha dude a grill can dream | ||
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On March 31 2016 11:52 Kurumi wrote: You really want info like that in setup where you won't get notified of a roleblock ever? hahahaha dude On March 30 2016 22:26 Damdred wrote: Yep I get notified whether I save correctly or not. On March 09 2016 04:57 unholyflare wrote: Notifications You will not receive any information you don’t need. You will not know if you were roleblocked, saved, investigated, visited or whether or not any of your actions had their desired effects or not. You can ask, but if I did not send you any information, you probably shouldn’t receive any. ? | ||
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On March 31 2016 12:18 VayneAuthority wrote: yes, i used to play in the games with 100+ people where there were clues and shit in the day post i once played one of these, the host thought he was very clever and just constantly gave the game away cuz he was super overt in his day/night posts. | ||
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On March 31 2016 12:12 Damdred wrote: I'm notified for really good reasons I just really don't want to go into why unless I'm being lynched. But I think kur is telling us tumble is the other tram I suppose. you're explaining tomorrow if you're alive. | ||
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On March 31 2016 12:35 Damdred wrote: No it would hurt more than help tbh you're claiming a role in direct conflict with the OP and stated rules. if you live you need to explain. if i am alive and you do not, my vote will be on you and i will encourage every other vote to be on you too. we are lynching mafia and likely reducing kp (whether it is kp/faction or 2kptill2) so i am willing to postpone this discussion until tomorrow, but it will be happening next day phase. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:20 Rels wrote: If you're town I hope you become extremely obvious town very soon 'cause I can't even imagine it right now. Let's talk. What do you think of Damdred ? .......do you not even read my filter? like seriously you say i don't do shit then you ask a question like this. thinking anything of damdred is irrelevant. he has claimed he is notified of the result of his protections, which the rules say you aren't. he has said there's a reason. if he survives the night he needs to explain that reason otherwise i am voting on him. doctor claiming notifications when op says no notifications and surviving 2 nights essentially while claimed is a problem; but one that doesn't matter until tomorrow. ofc i already said all of this if you read my filter, but hey i don't do anything. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:40 Rels wrote: You motherfucker are just repeating what you've already said. I don't care about your thoughts and his claim. You shouldn't only care about that since you said you were tired of centering the game around claims. You have a known soulread on Damdred. What does this soulread tells you about him ? dunno, haven't read his filter. was going to, then he claimed so i didn't care and still don't because his game is now entirely claim centric. he's a claimed medic, if he dies he is town, if he doesn't he is mafia....pretty mafia 101, there's no particular value in evaluating his play | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:49 Rels wrote: You've made excuses all game to not play, since very early D1. Can you explain to me why you won't read Damdred's filter anywhere between now and deadline and say your thoughts about him ? That would help everyone townread you if ytou're town. THAT is mafia 101 no i am not going to do it. | ||
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please understand basic mechanics before talking to me again. | ||
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On March 31 2016 20:59 sandroba wrote: I'm not sure honestly, I think it's possible. Kurumi being mafia maybe he didn't even shoot koshi at all or maybe TT blocked kurumi (if he is from the other team) or maybe there is yet another blocker from the other team. Hard to speculate. tt blocks his teammate? wat? i think the possibilities are only 3: 1) vivax rb'd kuru; 2) the kp was a lie; 3) koshi on opposing mafia and was prot by mafia doc i don't really see any other possibilities. | ||
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On March 31 2016 21:07 Rels wrote: Will be traveling starting tomorrow so I will not be very active until Monday. I need to case ritoky before I leave. it won't get you anywhere but lookin like you got egg on your face | ||
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On March 31 2016 21:09 sandroba wrote: Why you assume kurumi is telling the truth about being on TT's team? ......cuz he claimed mafia and is auto-dying, and made a picture about it....i don't see a point in going that deep just to troll for 12 hrs? | ||
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On March 31 2016 21:11 Rels wrote: You're scum. You will be ltnched tomorrow. You should stop trying 'cause this is a waste of time. Using "it will get sorted out by claim" to not filter dive Damdred and read him normally, when (1) you said yourself you're tired of claim centric games and (2) you have a goddamn soulread on him has no explanation for your behaviour as town. You are scum and you either don't want to put too much time in avoiding a lynch that is very likely or you don't want to commit to your soulread before he dies. you willing to die for that read? | ||
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On March 31 2016 21:11 Rels wrote: You're scum. You will be ltnched tomorrow. You should stop trying 'cause this is a waste of time. Using "it will get sorted out by claim" to not filter dive Damdred and read him normally, when (1) you said yourself you're tired of claim centric games and (2) you have a goddamn soulread on him has no explanation for your behaviour as town. You are scum and you either don't want to put too much time in avoiding a lynch that is very likely or you don't want to commit to your soulread before he dies. anywayz to respond to this "normally" 1) i hate claim fiestas because of what happens with situations like damdred is in. to me mafia is a game of public and private information and utilizing that information as leverage to fool others or find out who is fooling you. in claim fiestas you get situations like damdred is in and at a humongously more frequent rate. he is in a black or white situation, and it has nothing to do with play it has everything to do with mechanics. either he dies in the night and is town or gets a conf save and is town or he doesn't die and is mafia. that's it. no opinions on him or his play matter anymore, his alignment is now pure mechanics; which is not why i sign up to play mafia games. i don't like sorting through the mechanics of 35 roles claiming they have the power to turn into a donkey or some shit. i will slog through it if i have to, but i much prefer to play the game where i get to lie to your face and see if you catch me, rather than role-simulator 2016 2) you haven't read a lot of my recent games. i believe in my last 5 or so games with him i have essentially stopped talking about my read on him as town. i think i leveraged my soul read on him when i was mafia, but not sure. even last game i said i was trying a new way to read him and then proceeded to get fooled all game long (but still win, suck it SL). my read on him has diminished for a lot of reasons and it isn't as good as before. i also don't try to read him as hard as before because it annoyed me that people were both using me as a crutch to read him at times and also as a metric to read me; so i stopped focusing on it. | ||
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and the rest of that you're just wrong on. if you can't read the truth when you see it you are mafia or conf biasing. | ||
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On April 02 2016 05:15 Shapelog wrote: You know I was waiting for your respond to his case and i was going to look at it and deeply consider your alignment. Then you do this shit. Like you responded to my case on Kuru much more better than this. ritoky is mafia cuz he blue hunted openly in the thread ritoky particularly blue hunted damdred, look at all these points where he calls him blue damdred never got shot damdred is town, but ritoky is mafia that is 1 of the primary components of his case, which just can't be true. i would have shot damdred 100x/100 on night 1 as mafia and never said a word about his alignment in the thread. i don't blue hunt in thread as mafia, i spam the qt as well. because i would have shot damdred, that basically means that there exists only 1 world in which i can ever be mafia. if 1 mafia team, then i can't be mafia ever. if 2 mafia teams, i must be mafia with damdred. so i am pretty close to confirmed town except for 1 case, outside of all the other stuff like angle shooting, and spamming expedition early, and all that jazz. | ||
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2 mafias? 1 must have 4 and the other has ???????????????? + 1 mafia has a multi-shot vigi? + sk 1 mafia 2kp till 2 having 6 members? + sk like i can't even comprehend realistic scenarios of 3kp | ||
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2 mafia teams both have rb + sk kp = slightly believable i just don't see redundant roles being on 2 mafia teams.....and i really don't see a way in which 3 kp occurred in any balanced fashion last night considering the game state. | ||
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On April 02 2016 08:46 Damdred wrote: I need to check storm 2 but I think it was 2 kp until scum reached 0 the fuck is that? that shit's not balanced. | ||
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1) disrespect - you have to believe i am a bad enough player as mafia to blatantly blue hunt to the point of calling people blue in the thread. recently people were calling me a top 3 scum player on this site, so you must think i am bad. 2) dumbass nks - so i spend the day blue hunting, locate a for sure blue and other people i felt might be blue, then i shoot none of them. absolutely none of them...especially damdred. 3) if 1 team pointless levels of bussing - i am really with rsoul? really? you should go get your head checked. there's mafia bussing, and what i did to rsoul....and you donkeys still didn't believe me. 4) if 2 teams i am fucking me teammate - as we established earlier, if i am mafia, i am shooting damdred. so in order for me to be mafia i have to be with him. but then i am sitting here shitting on his fake claim. so i am totes with him. 5) angle shooting - you don't come up with dem angle shooting strats as mafia 6) expedition - self explanatory for any VTs out there 7) jat's anger - jat was mad at me cuz i didn't hold out my play longer and execute it properly cuz i think he knew deep down as fellow VT that it had glorious potential 8) dead mafia like calling me mafia and that folks is why i can't be mafia. | ||
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Town meta - he posted a blanket statement about someone being town or mafia in his first 5 posts: On March 24 2016 23:39 VayneAuthority wrote: ill be voting for rsoultin at any rate, half policy half read From there he continued to push his rsoul read, and it aligned very much with mine - On March 24 2016 23:59 VayneAuthority wrote: Taking a look at the playerlist I have to stop the circlejerk before it gets out of control unfortunately. 50% read of ritoky is bad and already hard defending people that will never lynch her 50% On March 28 2016 23:20 VayneAuthority wrote: 4.This LS/rsoultin/etc circlejerk is still making me gag, please make it go away. Probably read like 20-25 posts reading through of them just sucking eachother off and saying that the other is town for zero reason and they dont want to lynch eachother. Exactly what the policy part of my vote was about. Both of which I firmly agreed with. Rsoul was clearly pandering to people who would never vote for her anyway due to pure personality stuff to make sure they were on her side and blind to what she was doing. The fact that she pandered so hard to LS too might clear him slightly; dunno I will see when I get to him. This is a little concerning considering at one point rsoul was in very real threat of lynch, she was VA's top scum read or near top scum read and he didn't budge from tumble onto her. On March 29 2016 03:35 VayneAuthority wrote: going to vote for tumblewood now I think he is the highest chance to flip mafia. If nothing happens im going back to policying rsoultin for circlejerk and added benefit of info. And his explanation for not moving is the people who voted on rsoul not looking great: On March 29 2016 05:00 VayneAuthority wrote: oh shit deadline is today already? I missed more then I thought I would. These wagons are super confusing to say the least. i think everyone on Tumblewood is town though so nbd. People on rsoultin is a clusterfuck so makes me more hesitant. People on koshi are lynching by merit rather then playing mafia, fair enough not my playstyle though. Those people at the time were: me (VT), slam (claimed dayvig), SL (claimed vet), vivax (town), shapelog, and tumble. That is 1 obvious town, 2 claims, 1 guy tunneling the same read as you, 1 guy you never mentioned, and tumble; and they are voting on your top scum read thus far. That doesn't seem like a particular clusterfuck of people. This is kinda sketchy. On March 29 2016 05:18 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont have any experience with kurumi so I have zero idea what it means for his alignment. Probably too dumb for scum though, I would never hit enter on that post as mafia in a billion years I remember mind-melding this post when he made it. Because kurumi posted some pretty obscenely bad reads that I thought were just too bad. But now in hindsight this looks worse. You scum read rsoul all game, then elect to not vote on her for questionable reasons instead voting on the guy who got shennanied off of to lynch mafia; then you are defending another mafia immediately after. But then the convo afterwards doesn't sound like a conversation that kurumi has with a partner in thread. It is too scattered to quote it fully, but basically kurumi calls VA opportunistic for town reading him and shitting on his reads post and immediately starts trying to omgus fight with him to which VA says your reads are stupid because you think rsoul and ritoky are together and they never are. Further koshi joining in the shit on ritoky fest just seems needless and dumb so he isn't on a team with them either. Which feels like both a really good observation and not a conversation partners have in thread. My sketched level is slightly lowered. Post-TT he flips his read on rsoul because: On March 29 2016 23:57 VayneAuthority wrote: It's unlikely but rsoultin/tictock is possible I guess. They expended a lot of effort trashing eachother though pretty early game in the game and it didnt seem fake. Which I can understand to a degree; he then is humongously in favor of a kurumi lynch the following phase after rsoul has died. On March 30 2016 23:56 VayneAuthority wrote: I disagree, pretty much a textbook mafia post about the setup. It would also explain his super weird reads now because he was trying to make his scumteam half town/half mafia members. This is also an incredibly town post since I understand it and have been openly incredibly confused by the setup. On March 31 2016 00:08 VayneAuthority wrote: easy for you to say when you are a PR. This setup is insanely confusing as regular town Yea I think he is town, sorry for doubting you on your wishy-washy rsoul read. On March 31 2016 03:42 VayneAuthority wrote: you complain people think you are mafia when you come into the thread with nonsense reads and vote me out of nowhere with little to no mention in your filter before this lol Convienent Yup, antagonistic playstyle is more town indicative of VA imo On March 31 2016 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea man teach me how to lose constant lylos for town and play terribly as scum where can I sign up? So you joined a wagon last second day 1 started by superbia and me, congrats? VA feels town to me. The only part I have doubts on is where he got a little wishy-washy and was randomly not voting rsoul for bad reasons even though she was a top scum read of his. The problem with that is that if that makes him mafia, then he is supposedly mafia with rsoul and kurumi; who he scum read most of the game and then advocated a lynch for. So I don't see him being scum with them. 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On April 02 2016 09:38 scott31337 wrote: Shape started bringing up TicTock (encouraging) and was an early vote on him. Shape also made the wall of text case on Kurumi and I think that was the straw that had him concede. I'm pretty sure the dude's town. The other names I hear you on. to be fair, the guy had like 6 or 7 votes on him prior to shape making a WoT... | ||
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he has mafia stuff in his filter like stating superbia is mafia multiple times and then doing nothing about it: On March 29 2016 07:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also Superbia is pretty high up there in my mafia ratings atm. On April 01 2016 15:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nah forget it sleep time now. I think I want to lynch Superbia for posting bad analysis on two separate occasions and can't remember anything noteworthy from him outside of that so he's up on my list. and how he was always promising to evaluate rsoul but then never actually evaluating her: On March 25 2016 22:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's no way I'll have enough time to parse rso today because I'm heading to work soon and simply won't be back until after deadline. (I might be able to check in during but don't expect any contributions I make to be earth shattering outside of what I've already given you.) I'm still on the fence about tumble. I hated his ritoky post but that's the only scummy thing I can think of. I technically don't like his low-impact style either but that could be a sign of being new rather than being scum. On March 26 2016 04:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why do people not trust rso, exactly? On March 27 2016 11:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rso can you post some reads or something? I don't really know what to think of you and you doing something other than getting bogged down in fights I can't read into isn't helping. The only reason I have you as town is because of what I said about the wagons but otherwise I don't really have much and I don't know if I should keep pushing this idea or not. then he concluded post-tt lynch for no particular stated reason: On March 29 2016 10:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think we should probably kill ritoky or something. after saying nothing about rsoul only to come crashing down at: On March 30 2016 08:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So ritoky is probably not mafia. but don't worry, he wants to lynch me again. further he has a tremendous amount of posts where he makes excuses about why he isn't doing more rather than actually doing stuff. constant posts of: "i need to take a second look at vivax" or "i need to parse rsoul" or "i need to reconsider on LS" but then the conlsuion is never delivered. that and 4 of his 8 page filter is over the span of a couple hours around the shennanie....so he realistically only has a 4 page filter for the rest of the game. that said there are some really town feeling things in his filter as well, but idk if they outweigh the mafia things. for example the posts about where he is paranoid about being sheeped feels town: On March 29 2016 06:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Everyone piles onto my lynch again... Now I'm paranoid. D: the spot where he begins feeling VA is town is right where i just did in my read of him: On March 29 2016 05:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote: VA just skyrocketed into my townreads for all of his spot-on mind melds. and how he didn't want to vote with TT on day 2: On March 29 2016 06:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: And TT is also voting TW... I don't know what this means but it's scary, yo. idk it's a real mixed bag....unfortunately i didn't get anywhere with him in his filter.....pretty null for me, which is bad considering i generally read OWS pretty well. maybe a mafia lean? idk that whole post about not wanting to vote with TT just doesn't generally come from mafia....ugh null. | ||
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On April 02 2016 13:25 sicklucker wrote: I would be down to lynch koshi tbh . I know its not happening but hes either town with every wrong read (literraly everyone its amazing ) or third party. And hes much more likely to be mafia with rstou/kura then someone like ritoky who he thinks is an auto lynch? like get out of here you don't know how bad i want to lynch koshi for just being dumb and wrong all game long. like i am pretty sure he doesn't even believe there are 2 mafia teams and calls me an auto-lynch which is just brain-dead. unfortunately i don't think it leads anywhere useful. also he isn't wrong about you, i think there's a very real possibility that you could be sk. actually....wait a fucking minute. | ||
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On April 02 2016 14:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's a mystery. I'd sass more but this is probably the part where we start acting super paranoid about our blue claims so let's do it. Did you ever have SL as town at some point? i mean the primary reason i can remember is he is basically the only person to identify me as town all game after he realized that crackpot angle shooting strats aren't crafted by mafia within 4 mins of the game starting. | ||
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On April 02 2016 14:09 sicklucker wrote: is this really a qeustion? mafia would never risk having a kp stopped this deep in the game they supposedly bypassed kp or stacked with the sk.... | ||
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this post reads very mafia: On March 24 2016 12:46 Tumblewood wrote: ritoky's in the hole and keeps digging... he comments later about not understanding why. it is because it does nothing. there's no town motivation to this post. it simply is opportunisticly pushing on a player under pressure. now i am biased cuz it was me, but essentially; you're not furthering the case on me, you're not voting on me, you're not contributing a real point of view or new information, so why make this post? what is there to contribute or gain from making this post? it has no point other than to try and get on the good side of things and ride the current. I am on the fence on this one, it is either very mafia or complete newb: On March 25 2016 12:25 Tumblewood wrote: I feel like I need a justification every time I'm AFK. you also didn't understand later why this post can be read mafia i think. the reason is that you're scared. townies, like take me for example, have a certain bravado or confidence about themselves. they know they are town so how could anyone possibly read them as anything but what they are? they speak their minds openly and without fear of the retribution; and when people scum read them most of the time there is a significant emotional response cuz what the fuck are these idiots doing they are obviously town. this post demonstrates that you're scared of being scum read which in essence is a scum mindset. you feel like you need excuses or people will call you scum, but that is a thought that shouldn't even be on a townie's mind. a non-specific note: you use the word insightful a ton...and i believe english is your primary language. being redundant on explaining reads and verbage can be mafia indicative for people, not enough experience with you to make that call. There's a lot wrong with these reads: On March 26 2016 14:54 Tumblewood wrote: "Wake up, town" reads list VayneAuthority - idk how anyone is TRing him. He was here for a little bit and now he'll miss all of this phase. That's NAI at best. Kurumi - He's almost comically angry. I'm kinda just sheeping Rels on this and Damdred - His reads are really shallow, like "LS obv town" and nothing else. His D1 scumlist also sucked-- 2 plynches, tubesock, and kurumi (the only one who even kinda goes against what people think) [and me but with a disclaimer]. ALSO one time he said there's one scum between me and Tube because of some nonexistent exchange between us. k i'm done now i swear sandroba - Making the same reads as everyone else (when present), but for much worse reasons ObiWanShinobi - he hasn't been present much, but I like the quality of his reads Koshi - people are like "oh angry koshi = town koshi" but his displays of emotion so far have been utterly fakeable Rels - he's been insightful this game and actually has original, non-obvious reads which are hard to fake when you're not looking for something justanothertownie - I don't want to read his filter so I'm just going to say he's being aggressive and leave it at that. ritoky - Either obv town or obv scum and I can't tell which is which sicklucker - Doesn't he on D1 act scummy even as town? If not everyone in Devil Inside Mafia lied to me. Alakaslam - he's a vig Shapelog - He blends in far more than he usually does. Usually when he blends in it's because I'm ignoring all his posts, but this time it's because I don't notice it's him. Even though he has a 7-page filter, it seems he's not putting very much effort into the game. Vivax - he's doing a pretty alright job, y'know? rsoultin - I was really on the fence about this earlier but with Tubesock turning up town I think rsoul is also town. LightningStrike - One time I played with someone who was obvious town in his first game. LS is playing the same way, except it's not his first game. This makes him ??? Superbia - He's attacking the game in unorthodox ways, which I think is townie, if that makes sense. specifically town leans on 2 confirmed mafia, no stance on me, no town read on jat who was shitting town out of his eyes, and really weird reads on damdred and sandroba....particularly sandroba who i believe had claimed vigi at this point.....but you believed slam's claim easily? that doesn't make a ton of sense. then when you get to your VA case you say this: On March 30 2016 09:49 Tumblewood wrote: He had a lot of reasons to choose from to scumread me, and he chose: like what? there are no valid reasons to scum read you if you're town. they're all shit. that line implies there are good reasons out there to scum read you but VA just didn't pick the right ones. that might just be picking on a newb though. dunno i have had really good newbdar recently (not saying you're new necessarily, but new to playing with me)....and it isn't blinking overwhelmingly town here like it has past. what he has going for him is that we shennanied off of him onto mafia...mind you if he is mafia that means 3 of the 4 wagons day 2 were mafia (with koshi being unknown) which is a really good thing. dunno slight mafia lean, would think more mafia but has good vote logic going for him. | ||
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On April 02 2016 14:26 scott31337 wrote: Sl Ritoky Who do you want to lynch then? top two priority i am trying to work my way through filters. i will hopefully arrive somewhere substantive by the end of it. personally i think damdred needs to explain his role and i am considering mounting massive vote pressure to do it....i need to do the math to see how close we are to lylo though to see if it is okay to wait another phase....i really don't want to though. outside of damdred, i am not particularly fond of LS and tumble; i think there isn't an unreasonable chance sl is 3p but again...not through filters so that is subject to change. + Show Spoiler + deep inside i want to lynch koshi.....so desperately | ||
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On April 03 2016 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I just realized that super is prbs at the SoI prerelease and won't be available until tonight. /shrug wotc learning from hollywood. when you can't come up good ideas anymore, just remake shit you were successful with to no end. | ||
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On April 03 2016 06:22 scott31337 wrote: If this is true from your point of view, why aren't you voting him already? hmmm i was mocking koshi's stance of SL must be sk all game and now that he can't call me mafia he is just finding some other shit to call me. | ||
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uhhhhhh the last sets were a giant durdlefest followed by overcompensation that broke multiple formats....dunno about it being good. | ||
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you didn't like the angle shooting so i am mafia. you erroneously try to say i vigi shot the guy i town read 5 posts before he got shot, you then side with "confirmed town" rsoul and say she clearly has a great case on me, then rsoul flips red and i am still mafia apparently, then you realize i can't be with her so you start a 2 mafia teams narrative, then this phase you realize i can't be in either 1 mafia team (which is likely what it is) or 2 mafia teams so now i have to be sk (even though you've rattled on about SL must be sk almost as much as you've called me mafia). you're just constructing narratives constantly to call me mafia, which either means you're the most mafia siding town who is solo throwing the game away or you're just scum. | ||
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On April 03 2016 13:02 LightningStrike wrote: I now on my way home but it's late so I will post my reads post tommorow. I didn't expect to stay at the reception for so long >. < currently you're on my i want to lynch with fire list too. i don't doubt that you had shit going on today. whatever. i have my entire neighborhoods internet being moved to underground wiring so i get life getting in the way....but i got 1 question for you: do you believe in anything? it doesn't seem like you have any reads with any conviction in them at all. and not just since rsoul died even before that. i asked for your reads because i feel like unless i ask for them you're never going to commit to anything. you just wait around and then pick the popular opinion. your production has decreased by a ton over the course of the game too. particularly in the "anything valuable" department. it feels like you're afraid to commit to reads until everyone else's cards are on the table because you're afraid of getting caught or some shit like that. i am way more used to town LS who pushes his thoughts forward even if they aren't the greatest. and even if i disagree with you and call you mafia at least i know where you stand. this feels a bit like last game where you ask tons of questions, give little to no responses, don't commit heavily to reads, and post your reads very late in the phase, usually siding with what is popular. yes i read your filter, but i didn't give you a giant post like everyone else cuz i am not in the mood | ||
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On April 01 2016 05:52 LightningStrike wrote: Sigh. ritoky/VA. Rel's case on ritoky actually was some of thoughts I had of ritoky around Day 1/Day 2 area regarding ritoky's plan. VA although looking better, his vote on me was very opportunistic wehn Sandroba voted me. so what happened? you believe people are mafia, but you're not doing a single thing to get either me or VA lynched; and not really posting about us in the slightest, which makes me think you were just agreeing cuz it was the thing to do and all the kids were doing it. these are your only posts about me and VA after the post i quoted, and bear in mind...it's been 36-48 hours. On April 01 2016 07:25 LightningStrike wrote: VA voting the mafia's first doesn't make anyone auto town. On April 02 2016 23:45 LightningStrike wrote: Same thing to you OWS. Thoughts about me and ritoky's theory on the kp on rels? so the 2 people you believed were the top mafia and 1 who had a "good case" against him, and all you have to say about them over the course of 2 days is "that doesn't make you town" and "what do you think about these similar ideas on how kp happened?" you clearly don't really believe me or VA is mafia since you show absolutely no interest in getting us lynched at all. koshi may be an idiot, but at least he is trying to get his target lynched.....you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing as town which is find mafia, identify them, and then lynch them. which leads me to believe you're just not town. | ||
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On April 03 2016 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I could vote into several different people right now and not feel bad. Voting Superbia anyways. if you're gonna vote and then leave at least say why | ||
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so if you wanna lynch shape, superbia, or SL who's filters i haven't gotten to; make a case. | ||
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On April 03 2016 17:41 scott31337 wrote: Two non-town RB's in a [N] does not make sense. Rels dead before Damdred does not make sense either if you are who you say you are. I think SL is 3rd party and he goes first. It's sad I could pretty much vote anyone but Shapelog right now.... make a case on SL then. and do you think the mod post says anything about damd's alignment? why/why not? if you're that undecided then why aren't you pushing for more information? or trying filter dives? as for digging through koshi's pile he calls a filter again to grab quotes. maybe tomorrow. but have you read it? i dare you to go into it and try to find 10 consectuive posts where he doesn't mention how i am mafia or more recently sk. you might be able to do it once in 25 pages. | ||
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On April 03 2016 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: Just woke up: What the fuck I actually was at a wedding with my parents that only lasted for a half hour but then we went to the reception and that lasted even longer than the time we left which was 11:00 pm which is late for me -__-. Like have you been a reception before after a weddding? For my list post here is where I at: Town: Damdred: Modconfirmed blue plus he had activly try to solve the game. OWS: felt that some of his posts were townie in particular his own self-doubt about his reads a bit. Koshi: Emotional Koshi is town Koshi by meta even he probably been more bad than town if you are town. Superbia: Probably my lowest townread but I liked his posting early on but he had fallen off but when I wanted to just allow myself to get lynched Superbia said don't. Null: Slam/Scott: I didn't like Slam's shot on Gumshoe and Scott haven't posted a lot. Idk if that makes Slam slot scum or town or potentally 3rd party. ritoky(you): At one hand I didn't like your plan and that my main problem with you but on the other hand you could town idk you giving me mixed signals on that :\ VA: Okay before you freak out I could never really read him properly and always thought he was scum when he was town with me in the game.Some of his later posting looked better that he attempting to help us solve the game. Anti-Town(3rd Party or Scum assuming we got 3rd party): Sicklucker: Claimwise I think he's 3rd party I doubt we would have a multishot vet with 2 types of medics in the game. Tumblewood: Despite the Day 2 vote I think he could fit the bill for inactive scum as Kuru said he felt lonely in the qt. He haven't done really anything that I remember. I DIDN"T FUCKING PROMISED HIM A DETAILED RESPONE YOU IDIOT I PROMISED HIM A RESPONSE BECAUSE MY PHONE DOESN'T HANDLE LARGE POSTS WELL. See my list post about you and VA if you not blind as a bat. what happened that changed me and VA from mafia to null? cuz you didn't explain it in your filter. you wanted to lynch us during the night phase, did nothing about it, said nothing about it; and now we are null. | ||
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On April 04 2016 00:18 Damdred wrote: I think we should lynch tumble today, He was a non voter d1 even though he had several scum reads and had a few opportunities to vote for anyone just didn't care. The way he moved kur and rs into his town reads when he was sure that there was Scum between certain people. If he was town scum jumped off his lynch really fast when we were last minute going and to some extent some scum (kur) went as far to red use to consolidate on tumb so that was a bit odd. I just think,he's the best lynch and will finish the puzzle as well d1 to what happened with the lynch, and go's wouldn't it be great if we had a mega day 2. the last 2 people to pile onto tumble were both mafia and then the switch off of him was onto mafia.....i agree that he isn't exactly the most town dude in the game, but that vote day 2 looks really good for him unless koshi is mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2016 04:15 Shapelog wrote: Actually that is really strange that 3 dead townies all said/had rik as a scum read/lynch person. so did all the dead mafia. | ||
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On April 04 2016 00:57 Damdred wrote: LS does all that shit as town all the time if that's the only reason you think he's scum you,need to find actual reasons. The only people I would vote today is tumble, va, rit. And confirmed scum do whatever they want tbh, instead of lynching koshi they lynch Tt so it's not like they were super logical that day anyway. what in the living fuck are those reads? | ||
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On April 04 2016 04:18 Damdred wrote: What I was thinking was that mafia has a rc and they knew tumble was sk/poisoner and wanted him dead still do which is why tumble is in almost everyone's scum list but people are scared to push scum on him. Which is total wifom and conjecture. i mean the switch was onto the mafia rb......so either tumble is a mafia kp carrier and they sac'd their rb to preserve kp, or he is mafia with koshi and there was 4 mafia up for lynch. it's really fucking hard to argue with that. | ||
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On April 04 2016 04:48 Shapelog wrote: Hmmm. Why can't that be possible.... Unless... I solve the game. Super is mafia, and there is a second mafia team. The above was a slip, it SHOULD be possible, with 3 kp, and 2 on the medic target, that a second mafia team exists. In fact he lists the reasons on how it could of happen but yet turns around and says it is not possible. Therefore, Super is mafia on a second team. i don't agree with this at all....like wat? the kp suggests 3kp or 2kp + prot bypass. i can understand the case for 2 mafia if you believe 2kp + prot bypass, but 3kp -> 2 mafia? no comprendo. i don't think superbia is an awful lynch though, i haven't touched his filter, but he has been around and not doing a whole lot recently. | ||
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On April 04 2016 05:01 LightningStrike wrote: I was on rides? I normally do get mad at people'sreads being wrong on me like are snorting coca inexpensive or smoking pot atm? I done that stuff as especially the lots of townreads like I did in drams and titanic I had a cunning plan. It like you intentally wait till I not around to post about me. ??????????????????????????? | ||
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On April 04 2016 05:01 Superbia wrote: Can someone amuse me and tell me why I'm mafia? for me, presence to production rate is really low; you making a case about not wanting to lynch kurumi. you're 1 of the filters i didn't have time for unfortunately. dunno if you're mafia, but i don't think you're an awful lynch. | ||
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On April 04 2016 05:05 LightningStrike wrote: Everyone time I wasn't around you post shit about me and had dodged me a lot this game. Why are you ad hom instead of responding to the content? You see the points but then talk about weed and getting mad and how apparently I am intentionally posting when you're not around. You ever thought we are just on different schedules? I don't care about where you were or why you got mad. You rendered all of that stuff pointless in regards to reading you after last game and I didn't buy into it before. The fact is you haven't been pushing to get the people you think are scum lynched AT ALL and even moreso since rsoul died. You have not sufficiently explained why VA got moved from scum to null. "His posts got better" is a load of bs. Which posts? Go quote them. I am pretty sure that since you made that post about him being mafia, VA has less than 10 posts so it shouldn't be difficult. Stop avoiding responding to content. | ||
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On April 04 2016 05:14 LightningStrike wrote: I was you stupid idiot it like you lost ability to read. I had commented on multiple stuff but I can't quote it on my phone. No you didn't. I quoted your only post in reference to VA or anything VA said after you called him mafia. You also have not attempted to get anyone lynched potentially all game but at least since day 1. No. No. No. | ||
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On April 04 2016 05:22 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred can you tell ritoky why his read on me is crap please outside of me explaining what I already did? Just no. You were calling rsoul to do the same thing for you earlier in the game. Why is VA null when he was scum? What posts made you move him? Where are they? Where are your "comments" you supposedly made about them to move him from scum to null, because they aren't in your filter even though you claim they are. | ||
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On April 04 2016 02:09 Damdred wrote: I think you need to check yourself if you are town super. You are being needlessly abrasive when people are bringing up actual things going on. 1) your eod is weak d1, you were universally town read but did 0 things to get rs lynched really when jat was on the edge of switching and others would of followed him 2) You were on koshi d2, we only know of one mafia I believe for sure who bussed Tt at this point. Could be others bit not sure. 3) He claimed scum jat had him dead to rights before he died. Shape had a decent case on him as well. He was probably going to be lynched in any case tbh. So there's likely no cred for anyone since he just conceded. So once again explain these points and if your town act like your town instead of some idiot who is on tilt and just wants to insult and rit others which is anti town at best. i believe is what damd is referring to | ||
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ritoky scott - somewhere along the line i just accepted that he is dayvig damdred - used to doubt it, then the mod happened. blaming mod if he isn't town. TR: shape - other people say so, good pushes/cases on good people VA - see my filter for read null: obi - surprisingly hard for me to read this game superbia - primarily by virtue of not having time to read his filter, plus WoT wasn't awful tumble - bad filter, but vote logic in his favor null leaning 3p: sl mafia: ls koshi: koshi | ||
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On April 04 2016 06:15 Tumblewood wrote: - asks "why am I scum?" - annoyed that someone responded by making a case checks out this is the same style opportunistic attempted bury post you had about me earlier...the "ritoky is digging deeper" or w/e style post......they are real bad. | ||
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On April 04 2016 07:24 Damdred wrote: If your town will you forgive me? ##shoot lightningstrike How bad is that ls wat? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + half of you should be modkilled for your attitudes this game, the insults particularly regarding racism and mental health are too much and i hope you get warned or banned post-game for those. | ||
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On April 06 2016 06:39 VayneAuthority wrote: Just don't make yourself out to be our lord and savior -_- If we banned everyone that used words like retarded the playerbase would be 10 people Not really trying to be, I am saying that the attitudes this game have been piss poor and unpleasant to play with. I want to play a game that is fun and challenging, and playing with people who constantly insult other people's intelligence and ridicule others for simple mistakes doesn't fall under that for me. We have all done it I am sure; but the sustained level this game is the problem. | ||
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SL's claim is the worst of the 3. He claimed on the beginning of day 2 as a response to a deficiency of kp thinking he was shot; but that doesn't make tons of sense because as veteran you should still be wary of a potential RB. We lynched the RB later that day so it wasn't of much consequence, but the initial thought isn't sensible. the lynch should be between obi, shape, and LS today and it's not even close to being close. | ||
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shape voted on rsoul and tt so he goes last. i think ls is mafia so he goes first. you're in the middle so you go 2nd. | ||
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i will say i can easily be swayed to vote koshi though. for a lot of reasons, but mostly cuz he is supposed to be okay as town and has been wrong on everything all game. | ||
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On April 06 2016 13:01 LightningStrike wrote: There is always 1 mafia between us so there is no way your town with me being town. So you ignored everything I said, made a random blanket statement, then didn't justify it. Kay. | ||
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essentially you should either lynch me today or commit to never lynch me the remainder of the game, because in my eyes it is very clear that i am being dragged to lylo for the final lynch for mafia to win. | ||
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You're being left alive as direct opposition to me who is a known quantity that won't stop pushing me. People who town read me all game are beginning to downgrade to "unsure, but don't want to lynch today" or similar stances. Other small indicators. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:03 Koshi wrote: And if we lynch ows or ls today and they flip town. How are you not getting lynched in future days? lol Because until there is indication of a 2nd mafia team I am incapable of being mafia. Outside of the fact that I tried to lead a lynch for 2 days and a night on rsoul who didn't even get lynched cuz a lot of the people alive refused to ever vote her, the NKs for certain aren't mine, but that is wifom. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote: Why did Rels die? I was way less on your ass than he was. And I was way more town. Because people are scared of rels more than you would be my guess. He was typing walls of text and cases, which showed he was being productive; meanwhile you were calling people idiots which was demotivating other players. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: it has been debunked that only VTs knew about the explorer thing, as superbia knew about it immediately as 3rd party. Mafia has also been bussing like crazy this game. What exactly makes it so theres "0 chance you can be mafia" no indication of 2nd mafia team and i can't be with rsoul ever. i lead and almost got mafia lynched day 1 and day 2 and she had to be nk'd for you guys to see the light, and i believe i have a perfect voting record having voted on mafia every single day (assuming ls is mafia)....so in my eyes i am kinda a town hero this game. if ls is town well...that puts me on par with the tubesock voters. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:14 Koshi wrote: Did you see the quotes in which Kurumi says rsoultin is mafia? Did you see the quotes in which Ticktocksays rsoultin is mafia? It is clearly not "impossible" you are mafia. And why did both Kurumi and TT scumread you BOTH. So odd. there's a stark difference between that and this: On March 27 2016 08:34 ritoky wrote: Why rsoultin is mafia and everyone who didn't vote on her should feel bad: 1) Her read on LS - This is LS's comment immediately upon signing up for the game. He expressly states that he is deliberately and consciously trying to change his play; regardless of if he is being successful or not, he has openly stated that the way he is playing is more considered and deliberate than before. As a result of this, people should naturally be wary of using meta reads on LS or old metrics since he is clearly trying to break those notions. Rsoul does not heed this, she has been hard defending him for tonal and meta reasons since his first 5 posts; the exact type of reads she should be wary of making when LS is trying to break those exact reads. On top of that, she has shown no indication of judging if his gameplay outside of this immediate read is town or mafia. The entirety of her read is based on something she should be skeptical of if she were town. The read is bullshit. 2) Meta - In her previous game as mafia, of which I was hosting, she tunneled very hard on 1 person with minimal reasoning and tried to shove the narrative down everyone's throat; constantly repeating the same lines, never re-evaluating, and never adding anything in terms of why that player is mafia. She is doing the same here with me. Here are quotes from the previous game: It continues, you get the picture. In her previous mafia game, she made an early read based on shape's "tone"; never re-evaluated or considered any of his other play throughout the remainder of the day, then just kept repeating how he was mafia and how he was mafia for that. Meanwhile shape had ~6 pages of content. Now I have less pages, but it is not like I have a deficiency of reads or content in my filter for which to consider; however much like she did with shape in her previous game. She has made a read based on 1 thing, not evaluated anything else about me, then just spam repeated "lynch rit". It is precisely the same pattern as her previous day 1 as mafia. 3) She is neglecting her own read on me - This one probably won't work for anyone else, and I don't have a quote to support. But rsoul had previously reached the point with me (before she switched more to hosting than to playing) where she believed every time she read me town I was mafia, and vice versa; and had surmised flipping her read was the best way to read me. It was then successful for her for I think 2 games? So why did she stop doing it here? She has a read that is historically successful, but elects to neglect it and vehemently neglect it simply because I made a play around angle shooting VT role names? Not buying it. 4) The votes on her - I know I am VT, I am extremely confident that sandroba and superbia are town. I think SL, VA, and shape have a decent to high shot of being town. That is 6 town.... Now even assuming that my town reads have gaps and there are sneakster mafia, I think 1 of those at most is mafia. 5 town at least on rsoul is a really good indicator for me. 5) Lack of Scope early - Rsoul had no real inclinations to try and determine anyone's alignments early. She just had no read on nearly 3/4 of the game and wasn't doing anything to try and inform reads either. I made a post on March 24th and 12:56 PDT calling her out for her lack of scope and depth in her reads. Here are her only reads prior to me making that post: LS, vivax - town for meta SL - maybe town for meta slam - policy -> okay with lynch shape - mafia cuz omgus rit - mafia over 24 hours into the game, a player dead, and 6 reads that she has committed to, I would say 4 of which are simply meta, tone, or have 0 depth to them. The only 2 she really went to length to explain are vivax and me. Sorry, but rsoul has much more depth to her play and tries to figure out a lot more people's alignments as town; She has additional information that is why she isn't trying to solve the game as hard; and I think that additional information stems from being mafia. 6) Activity under pressure - After votes begin piling up on her, she begins saying things like "you're not lynching me today" and "you're wasting your time discussing me today"; and begins spamming activity as a response. However, rather than trying to direct that activity and a lynch onto basically the only person she has show a deep and passionate scum read on; she defers to a low hanging fruit (who just posted something so dumb it is probably town). It feels like she is targeting "the lynch I can get" rather than "the lynch I want/believe in". Townies always aim for the lynch they believe in and consult practicality or feasibility later; to me, rsoul is considering saving herself and the lynch she can get first, which is not a town mindset, it is survivalist and almost certainly from mafia. 7) Too many wafflers/defenders considering her play - This is just my own heuristic or metric, but there are far too many people who have no opinion or a positive opinion of her that I grasp or they have explained than her play thus far has warranted. + Show Spoiler + Special tinfoil: no kills last night, if she is a kp carrier, i would imagine she is a high priority RB target considering the vote There's a couple other tiny things, but people don't like my grammar reads or nitpicking word choice shit and it hardly convinces anyone so I will just keep those points to myself and leave this here. 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i think LS is mafia, so if that can clear ows then cool. like look at LS this phase, i post nothing for like 3 days and he goes from last phase where he doesn't even vote on me at the end and hardly pushes for my lynch. to this phase where he declares there must be mafia between us and apparently challenged me to a 1v1. i don't think i posted between then....maybe once, and he has this drastic shift in opinion....and after the sk dies which reduces my chance of being scum by a lot....beyond that there's no town motivation for a post like that and in fact my guess is going 1 for 1 puts us at lylo, so it reads scum motivated. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:26 VayneAuthority wrote: doesnt that make you more suspicious though considering how amazing mafia's scumreads have been this game? I just don't see how bussing clears you 100%. Just like im not cleared whatsoever. i need to see you actually invested in the game, you've been only defending for a while now when you bus your partners you don't dig up quotes from past games to do it on night 1.....maybe end game. if you do it, all the more power to you, you're a more committed player than me. | ||
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koshi has been wrong about everything he could be mafia, damdred hasn't died he could be mafia, ls is probably mafia, ows might be mafia. scott probably isn't mafia because of how he used the kp was not a way or target mafia would have used it on, VA seems town, superbia has nice votes, sl has been right on me all game just follow my reads when i flip, i think i have been fairly right all game. | ||
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On April 07 2016 06:37 ritoky wrote: anyways i have to go. like i said, if you can't come to a place in your mind where i am unlynchable, then lynch me today; i think me not being in lylo is more beneficial even if it is a ml. koshi has been wrong about everything he could be mafia, damdred hasn't died he could be mafia, ls is probably mafia, ows might be mafia. scott probably isn't mafia because of how he used the kp was not a way or target mafia would have used it on, VA seems town, superbia has nice votes, sl has been right on me all game just follow my reads when i flip, i think i have been fairly right all game. good luck fellow townies if i am gone when i get back. | ||
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